Level 7-8 walls should be able to be upgraded with elixir because of the limited number of elixir upgrades town hall 8 provides. This way you can finish your gold upgrades while using excess elixir on upgrading walls.
Level 7-8 walls should be able to be upgraded with elixir because of the limited number of elixir upgrades town hall 8 provides. This way you can finish your gold upgrades while using excess elixir on upgrading walls.
I did a rough calculation supposing you start from level 7 all fully upgraded. You would need about 67 million elixir (upgrade + research) and 110 million gold (upgrade without wall)...plus some dark elixir which is out of topic.
We see a great imbalance between gold and elixir already and if we require gold to upgrade the 225 level 7 wall (and initially we would only have 175 level 7 wall and would need to build another 50 level 7 wall from scratch, the cost of which will not be counted here), this would require 225 * 500K = another 112.5 million gold.
Thus I think allowing upgrading by elixir would balance the use of elixir and gold, and would avoid the gold rush (too many players raiding for gold only).
Please kindly consider the suggestion.
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Originally Posted by Beidemanwater
Please change the new update
we really need to upgrade the wall with an elixir from level 7 to higher
elixir is not useful enough if we can upgrade walls just with the gold
So please and please an please change it to last update for walls
SC can't really reel back an update and besides, elixir was pretty hard to some by during the elixir wall hay day.
Completely agree, im town hall 8 but I really don't mind having to wait a bit longer, but tbh walls at pretty much any level are quite expensive. Also guys...no offence, but you're being pretty noob-ish, everyone else did it the hard way so you can too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJason
Agreed. But on TH level 8 and on, elixir is not as useful as before, question, when elixir stocks build up in the game economy and no high level players wants it and no lower level players can reach it, what is the purpose?
There are many inactive accounts where their elixir is in collectors, the highest I have ever seen is 450K (6 level 11 collector full), and on average 250K is quite often and reachable (and can be raid by level 8 TH below without penalty).
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Originally Posted by JJason
No need....excess elixir, good for economy...
The upgrades take too much time nd if the person has full elixir he cant dump it anywhere. Walls should b upgrdable usi both
I'm done with elixir for town hall 8, so I just keep my storages outside as a nice present for anyone who finds me, they're getting pretty full too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jatinmalhotra185
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I am supporting you.:cool:
So basically you are just buying shields with it. (assuming you put TH with them) Smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOutrageousPuffin
I think removing the option of elixir wall upgrades was a poor one, yes, the economy was broken before and decent loots were difficult to find. But this will always be the case where the games bias is on farming rather than producing resources from collectors.
Bring back the option, but certainly don't make gold=elixir, that isn't a viable option. Possibly a 2:1 or 1.5:1 ratio would work out better. Increase the collectors output and storage capacity, decrease the troop upgrade time and increase troop costs > level 5. Then the games economy won't be so broken.
I'm a mid th8 and have been sitting with just over 4 million elixir outside my walls for the last week. I've nothing to spend it on, my lab is occupied for the next 7 days and my builders are working on gold upgrades of defensive buildings. I've even stopped taking it personally when I get looted and elixir taken
Yup, get raided within seconds of logging off, but I don't really mind, I just made someone's day better.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
After all, without using any gems, suppose 3 man for building and 1 man for king only, one would probably need 5+ months to fully build TH8 (and research can be completed in roughly the same time). So time-wise indeed we have plenty.
I am not saying we cannot do it, but provided that after raid, my historical gain proportion (net of gold and elixir cost of raid) is around 4:3 (gold:elixir, personally speaking). Which means I would have roughly 220*3/4-67 = 100 million elixir in excess. I do think from one point, I would have full elixir storage and I would continue raiding for gold (for wall purpose) and a large portion of that 100 million elixir would vaporize in the economy. I am totally fine with this, I support this suggestion just for balancing a bit the cost of gold and elixir in town hall level 8.
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Originally Posted by TheOutrageousPuffin
Level 8 walls are easy to get with gold
What are the chances that you are going to get full storages though with town hall 9's lurking around looking for an easy target. It's hard enough to get lots of elixir when you WANT to haha. Essentially, your elixir storages and collectors become community elixir providers.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxkingdom
No they're not, they're just easier than 9 10 and 11's.Quote:
Originally Posted by pitchke
Partially agree. This depends on which trophy zone you are in. When when you start thinking about upgrading walls to level 8, your defenses usually are at a higher level already.
I am currently at late stage of TH7, when they introduced the upgrade with a level 3 dark elixir drill, I indeed vaporized 6 million gold (with full gold storage). I would say I gather much faster than people raid me (after all only 2 raids a day usually, and many times they use only tier1 troops).
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Originally Posted by TheOutrageousPuffin
Now do the same calculation for th9 and make a comparison. Remember that you completely neglected army costs also.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxkingdom
Good point. For TH9 I am not sure. For cost of troops I discussed in another post, which I will cite below. After all, I do not think your troops would cost 160 million.
I am not saying we cannot do it, but provided that after raid, my historical gain proportion (net of gold and elixir cost of raid) is around 4:3 (gold:elixir, personally speaking). Which means I would have roughly 220*3/4-67 = 100 million elixir in excess.
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Originally Posted by Gama321
A rough calculation for TH9 shows that you may need 91 million elixir (upgrade and research) but in the mean time you need 199 million gold (upgrade only, no walls) ,suppose you start from fully upgraded TH8. Gap (without wall) is larger, reason for this is because a lot of research cost is now dark elixir.
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Originally Posted by Gama321