Is it? I mean what if your defenses are completely maxed, except walls. YOu have to spend hours and days upgrading them, while you can upgrade your th, and progress even more.
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Is it? I mean what if your defenses are completely maxed, except walls. YOu have to spend hours and days upgrading them, while you can upgrade your th, and progress even more.
you tell me
http://i61.tinypic.com/28gqssz.jpg
Well if you got to the point where every single thing is upgraded but you left your walls alone at level 2 then you have a problem...
May as well upgrade. Not going to do much else are you.
All my walls are lev 7 atm, and a couple of skulls. They become 500k pere piece now, which is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS :mad:.Quote:
Originally Posted by LepraKorn
I've almost finished skulls. I started th8 october 4th coming from a maxed th7 except bk.
It's stupid staying at a TH for months only for the sake of doing your walls. If you defs are finished and labs well advanced, then move on to next TH and continue doing your walls from there.
I'm attacking in CW using lavaloonions mainly. I love seeing those max TH9 with all lava walls I can easily 3-star, while it would probably have been a lot more difficult if they had moved on and had 2 infernos in my way ;-)
AHA! The answer i was looking for :cool:. can anyone prove this wrong? i completely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by bbdoc
lol lvl 8 walls is easier ♥♥♥♥♥, took me 1 and half week (troops level sûck) as in premmie th9, If i can do it, so can you
I'd say you definitely benefit a lot from your walls higher up. Walls are also most affected by loot penalty since there is no build time to compensate longer farm time. It is really hard catching up on walls high up.
With that said, it is also a big problem being sat with sleeping builders and only walls left for extended time. So my main advice is to forsee this issue and work on walls parallell as defences whenever you can.
It does vary a bit between different ths, id say:
Th7: Minimum around half purple when going up, th8 has two lvl of defences and only one lvl on walls so should be fine getting them at th8. Farming is still excellent.
Th8: Really try to have all skulls when going to th9, th9 have two lvls of walls and one on defence and farming starts to get worse. Not fun doing skulls at th9.
Th9: Aim for all legos when going th10, but absolute minimum is all skulls. If less then skulls, wait with going th10.
Its of course a very rough guide since it depends how much you farm and your play style, but gives you a general idea perhaps.
And no, walls are not just for looks, makes a massive difference in war at th9 and th10 and also in champs.
Ok thanks for the info. Ill do as much skulls as i can. from there ill just spend extra gold on walls. spending months on full legos and lavas is ridiculous, i think you will get a lot stronger when you get the infernos at th 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuxia
It isn't necessary, but it's worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
If you can max wall or at least get them one level below your current TH before you upgrade, it will definitely save a lot of hassle further down the line.
That said, defenses are still the most important buildings so always prioritise them.
It's honestly up to your opinion, I think in the long run it's better. Air raids are becoming quite popular, but so are giant raids. I maxed my walls at TH7, and I'l probably max my walls at TH8. Then probably get them to the beginning of the walls, but no much farther than that.
My noob says walls is for pussies, this is sparta
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♥♥♥♥, nice. walless th 9. ( if thats even a word)Quote:
Originally Posted by devildrx
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Originally Posted by devildrx
I strongly recommend it. Everything what is done, is done...
I strongly dont recommend it, up your collectors to lvl12 and go straight to th10
It makes me laugh to read responses from people who haven't done their walls, saying "it's not worth it". How would they know if you've never done them?
It's like listening to TH7s give advice on TH10 loot issues. Too funny
Absolutely not, by far the lowest return on investment in the game.
walls are the only thing which save me from high level gowipe and gowiwi attacks.
100% agree couldn't have said it better! I went to th10 with L7 wall now I've decided I need them upgraded (since only 1 in 20 raids are hitting me from the sky) it blows doing walls at th10 took me a month to do skulls on my wife's account (th9) only 8days big big difference!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuxia
It is absolutely worth with in my opinion and experience. Walls r the best defense in the game, its stops a lot of attackers, i am maxing my walls to lvl 10 and heroes to lvl 30 on my th9 account. Even if i max out my storages, i dont get attacked, if i do the usually r not able to take much from me. So for me totally worth it, 97 lvl 10 walls right now and heroes 21 each, AQ upgrading to lvl 22
ic ic. being tempted to max walls now. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baxter199
it is definitely worth it. when you see an archer queen or a barb king stuck on a wall to save you from that 2 or 3*, hell yes. and if you dont want to spend th10 grinding it all with this loot problem... i'd do it.
Worth it, but not neccessary
I think yes, it's very important to upgrade everything you can, before you move to another TH. When you switch your town hall, looting becomes more difficult.
It's all up to you. I say it's worth it.
I'd say it is at least up to level 8. As a 9 I love finding 8s and 9s with gold or pink walls. 1 wb and I'm in their storages. Loot being better for 7s & 8s makes doing walls before 9 much easier. Most people aren't using loons, they are using BAG, myself included. Walls make a big difference espically if an attacker runs out of wallbreakers. It really sucks when your BK or AQ gets stuck hitting a wall while getting shot.
This is THE key phrase of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kapox
Loot is always the easiest to get when you're at the top of any given TH cycle.
If you're EVER going to do walls, you want to do them when loot is easiest, right?
Unless you're planning to have purple walls forever, max them now.
I'd do it, loot gets harder and harder the higher the TH
Even if you eventually want full lvl 11 walls, the only time to not upgrade when maxed is th9. Its only once you reach th10 that it becomes noticeably harder to do walls
Oh please... come back and complain once they're 3,000,000 for one wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
if you seriously get bottle necked by your walls and remain with free builders often, then I'd say not worth it, do walls help or not? I'm a max TH8, got all the skulls for quite a while now, have they helped me more than lv7 walls did? nope not even a small difference noticeable to me, they still break with 2 wall breakers, and I often raid other TH8s with skull walls and my troops melt through them like butter, walls lv9 + help yes, but lots of people use air raids, making walls 100% useless in that category, as for whether you need to max your walls at each TH, I'll just copy everyone else and follow the mainstream crowd saying "YES" because every TH10 that upgraded from TH9 without lava walls are totally getting screwed on defense that they quit playing, totally, totally, honestly speaking a TH10 with lv2 walls and max TH10 defenses is stronger than a max TH9 with lava walls, because they have more defenses and infernos and what not, there's a TH10 guy with lv2 walls and maxed defenses in U.N clan and he sure as hell wins defenses in champs a lot more than TH9s up there (most TH9s have better walls than lv2, but obviously that's an extreme example, don't do that, but the guy is there:http://s8.postimg.org/qs5sne9ph/Scre...7_06_19_05.png
walls aren't really all as important as people say, of course they do help A LOT on defense, but unless you are working on your level 10 walls I'd say your walls aren't gonna help, I'm TH8 and I 2 star max TH9 bases with lego walls multiple times, (am I lying? naa check this thread and see for yourself: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-comp-gowivape , check my channel too for more proof if you want) but that's just like my entire life story on why walls don't need to be maxed at each town hall :)
Bottom line is that it is your base and yours alone. Best advice I give people is that its your base and you have to live with the benefits and consequences of your actions. Nobody else has to deal with your base. They can give all the advice in the world but yor left with the decisions and results of them.
Another piece of advice I give is that walls dont hit back! Lol. Only thing killed by walls are wallbreakers and they mainly do it to themselves. Walls just a deterant to try and make people wanna skip your base when farming and/or slow down an attack as it happens. I dont like to attack high level walls when farming because I dont bring wallbreakers with me usually. Mainly I barch with heroes and no spells. People that attack without wallbreakers will have harder time getting through your base. So yes higher walls are beneficial. As stated before, I believe, level 6-8 walls all take same amount of wall breakers to bust through depending on level of wall breakers used. Level 9 is where it changes for the most part.
Me personally... I am max TH9 offense/defense except for small bombs. I plan to finish my walls to level 8 and then grind to get level 9 walls as I work on my heroes. I just want to take some time to level the heroes more before going to TH10. Just make things easier to do when I get there and less to do at same time. There will be alot of stuff to upgrade at TH10 that will require all my builders being used. Before TH9 I never upgraded walls to max level since I believe I was a TH5 or so. Lol
I believe TH9 is the last TH to give out extra walls also. So another reason to build mine up since I wont get anymore at TH10. Lot of talk of loot penalty and it is true but that a whole other topic. Air attacks and hog riders not bother by walls but also depends what league your in also that people use those to attack with. And how many people here giving advice have shown you what their base looks like. One thing to give advice and another to be following the advice your giving.
Hope this helps!
Photomac
Level 104
TH9
Crown Royal (8R2PYG28)
I'm a mid TH9, and I couldn't emphasize more on the need to upgrade your walls to your max TH level. Comparing to my friends who rushed without maxing their walls at TH8, I get raided less and lost much fewer resources compared to them (and we are in the same league). That visual intimidation helps a lot to deter raiders from attacking your base.
It takes a much longer time to get to your defenses if you have good walls. Definitely worth it.
If you are aiming long term and want to max everything it is much more efficient to max out at a town hall then upgrade. This depends on lots of factors and mostly tolerance. But I would highly recommend it.
Hahaha. Wait until levels 9,10,11.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
It depends on the time you are willing to put into this game. Get as much walls as you can before your defenses are maxed and you have idle builders. The best walls in the game in terms of cost benefit are lego walls.
Yes walls are worth it, however you need to find your own balance and decide how much effort you are willing to put in.
Thanks for all the replys guys. I plan on playing long term, so i guess i will max walls for th 8. Especially because theres problems with loot at th 9 and th 10. Im having loot problems myself :mad:.
I think it's really worth to max walls before upgrading to the next th. It also makes your base looks intimidating for attackers.
This is absolutely true. Most of the people replying have not gone high enough in cups. Maybe you won't either, depends on your play style I guess. But I am sitting currently 3100-3200 cups and 75% of the attacks on me are GOWI- and they are instant. Within minutes of shield breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aditya1994
So, if this is where you plan to go eventually, walls are it. And it's way easier to do them now, then later. Don't wait until you are a th 10 to grind out your Legos, that just sucks. I made that mistake.
Pepper, where's my tux please?Quote:
Originally Posted by PepperPotts
And while you're at it, could you grab me a coffee?
As for the topic, even though it is worth doing them.. After skull walls it's just a drag.
Too bad this isn't actually a real thingQuote:
Originally Posted by bbdoc
(BBDoc's post on 1st page) with the barracks boost I went on a loon farming spree, dropped 2 heal spells on a max TH9 and loons and mins flew over those lv10 walls, crushed em, the problem with defense is like this, let me run you through a scenario, if you have full lv11 walls at TH10 and lets say you are up in champs, 3200 border line, and you go on defense, a TH10 with gowipe finds you, (realistically he will still 2 star you with the maxed troops) but let's say he and a few others are intimidated by your walls, they skip, chances are someone will find you with a jump spell, or an air raider, an to them you may as well just have lv1 walls, and they will wreck you the same way they wreck other maxed bases, I really think defenses are more important than walls, because you can work around strong walls, hogs, loons, drags, hounds now make 3 star possible, but you can't work around strong defenses, so if you are a TH9 with full lava walls eg. you are still a trillion times weaker and more exploitable than a TH10 with lv8 walls, because TH10s have stronger defenses and more defenses, similarly if you make your base strong in 1 aspect, like anti hog bases (good example) people obviously won't attack your base disadvantageous to them, so if you have an anti hog base, you won't win defenses against hogs, you just won't be attacked by them, instead you'll be attacked by gowipe and gowiwi and get wrecked like that, basically if your walls are strong, people will typically use strategies where strong walls don't help you much, that's mostly war and low trophy ranges though, above 3400 I think it will help a lot because people won't be picky about what they attack, but if you are that high up chances are you are gonna get smashed any way because offense is stronger than defenseQuote:
Originally Posted by CodyBeee
TH1-7, doesn't really matter. You can still farm your walls up to 8 at TH8.
Which yes, I would say is necessary.
Those saying they laugh at TH9's with their lego walls...
When they go to TH10, I highly doubt you'll be 3 starring them with your lavaloonian attack, also I highly doubt you will be 3 starring them with Gowiwi Gowipe etc etc, as their walls are pretty darn good, probably even better by this point.
Laugh at the TH9 with lego walls, get all that laughter out, because when TH10 comes along, they'll be the ones laughing.
the TH9 with legos and higher aren't strong because they had good walls before moving to TH10, they become stronger at TH10 because TH10 defenses are way stronger, walls help, but the defense additions and upgrade make 90% of the change, and the exact same things you said apply to people with lv7 & lv8 walls, my TH8 account has full skull and my TH9 has some 70% pink crystal 30% dark crystal but the TH9 defense is still WAAAAAY stronger than my TH8, I personally love walls and would tell anyone to max walls at all town halls but I'd be lying if I told someone that maxing walls at every TH will help their defense, I am just getting the truth out, honestly though clash is 99% attack so idc if I lose defense, everyone loses defense any ways unless they have a trap base or you're a TH10 (Th10 bases are bigger so there are more mistakes that could be made while raiding them and lots more traps to fool attackers) below TH10 there aren't any bases hard to beat really, I've seen a few amazing TH9 layouts, but coincidentally they work with funneling so wall levels hardly matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Harrisman24
IMO its worth it, especially on lower levels.
For sure it's worth it at TH8. Skulls aren't too hard (do em in a couple weeks) but they are a right pain to do when you're a TH9. I made that mistake and regret it. Even though i'm not a wall fan. All skulls is a minimum as they're not a huge bore like higher level walls. Even though they're now easier
Very nice analysis there. Agree sith you 100%. TH 10 with IT full skulls is more intimidating than a th 9 with full legos. Of course having maxed walls has lots of benefits but, its just a drag to farm. Really. So i think as long as my defense is maxed, walls are at a decent level, you are safe to upgrade th. Full lavas are useless with level 2 defense.. But maxed defense and lev 2 walls will work better at defending your base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason5267
Same here. At the moment, I'm doing fine at TH10 with all my defence buildings maxxed and just started bringing the 2nd half of my walls up to legos.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
Actually, I went to TH10 waay back when my walls were all purple. They're just there to slow down melee. What I did back then was a lot of funneling with gaps so they won't need to be so strong while I upgraded the towers, etc.
Its worth it ... totaly worth it.
Your walls will save you frm getting 3 starred.
walls are soo anti giant,king,AQ and golem, i don't see why it wouldn't be the best thing ever.
Just wait till they are 3 million a wall. Have fun with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
Walls are just a place to dump excess resources. The fact that they have no build time means you should always be working on walls with one of your resources in TH9. Before that, I think it is now less important to level your walls, as you can't effectively dump your elixer in lower levels.
Plus, early TH9 has crazy high elixer requirements, so you won't even be able to dump elixer effectively until much later in the town hall.
So, with that in mind, my opinions:
I got full pink in TH7 because resources were flowing everywhere, and I did the pink walls early in the TH, while I was upgrading everything I could with elixer. While I saved up elixer, I used walls as a place to essentially hide whatever gold I acquired. This was before the elixer->wall update.
In TH8, before the elixer->wall update, I got full purples. Again, I had a lot of gold, and I did them early, while I was saving for high elixer upgrades. I found that if I had 2 million of both resources, I got raided by TH9 Giant+Healer+Heroes+Spells super often, and it was frustrating. However, if I only had 2m+ elixer, and virtually zero gold, I got hit by big attacks much less frequently. By the time I finished up with purple walls, the elixer->wall change happened, and I had just started my upgrade to TH9 (max defense TH8 except Teslas, BK at level 5, lab complete except for DE Troops and Pekka (not upgrading my pekkas at TH8 is about my only regret)).
I did the same thing again - used skull walls simply as a place to hide my gold while I saved up the 6 million elixer needed for each troop upgrade. Any gold in excess of that went to the new defenses and new walls and such. Now, I'm in mid-ish TH9 (both heroes ~10, max Xbows, about 9million elixer in buildings left to do). I'm currently working on teslas, so it's giving me a good amount of time to work on walls at the same time. I upgrade 2 teslas and 2 heroes at a time, leaving my 5th builder to resource dump into walls. Again, same thing as TH8. If I show 200k+ elixer/gold + 1500+ DE, I get smashed by TH10s pretty frequently. If I show virtually zero elixer, I get raided much less frequently.
I wouldn't spend idle builder days maxing walls at any given TH. Just use them to hide and dump your resources, and they will naturally get maxed eventually. You have a lot of lab time in TH8, and a lot of builder days in TH9, that allows plenty of time to catch up with walls.
For me, I'm shooting for either level 15 heroes or level 20 heroes before I hit TH10, as I will have a lot of demands on my builder's time, so I plan on taking a break from upgrading heroes for a little while, and I'll use them to raid while I get my barch up to level 7. Once my barch is level 7, I can start back up on upgrading my heroes.
Short answer imo. No.
Walls were only ever a gold dump for me. I never once waiting to TH up because my walls were not maxed. I think anything after skull walls are just personal preference, especially if you never plan on playing in champs or high lv wars anyways (in which case walls may be useless with lavaloon and hog hybrids anyways).
The only reason I have any lavas is because my base is fully maxed otherwise and just need somewhere to put the 3 million when I get it, I'm definitely not grinding them out though as I rarely get attacked as it is.
definitely max them at town hall 8, after that be creative
It depends on your point of view. I never maxed my walls at lower levels, I wish i did, because now I'm a TH8 with half 6 half lv7 walls. Some clans don't accept rushers, so that's another thing to think about.
It depends on how long you're actually going to spend working on those walls with sleeping builders as to whether or not it's "worth it" in terms of overall efficiency in the long run.
disagree. i went to th10 with mostly purple and a few skulls; it has never affected me in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuxia
if you're done with defenses and your walls require 2 max level wbs to destroy, start your upgrade. if sc releases a patch with lvl7 wbs, start focusing on all skull walls :)
i do wars constantly and my clan has over 110 wins. while my base has been two-starred (rarely), it's never been three-starred. ever.
i did upgrade my core to legos (and, when elixir could be used for skulls, did quite a few), but i still have around 100 purple walls and i'm upgrading them for aesthetic reasons, not defensive ones. the simple fact is if you have a good layout, you'll force people into using jump spells. walls could definitely make a difference -- they could get 75% of your base instead of 55%, but i don't see walls as game-breaking.
i see TONS of bases with all legos or lavas/legos that are easily two-starred (or even three starred) due to having a bad layout. if you're going to spend your time on something, upgrade your defenses and find a layout/clan castle troop composition that works.
then, if you have time and resources to spare, upgrade your walls.
my 2 cents.
There is one inherent problem with walls. They are a defensive structure, and as such, are factored into the strength of your base. Since match ups in clan wars is determined by strength of your troops and defensive structures, this can be used against you in your match up. For example, my clan of 15 has the following composition:
Town hall level 10 - 1
Town hall level 9 - 8
Town hall level 8 - 4
Town Hall level 7 - 2
Our current opponent has five th10, five th9, and five th8.
When you look at troops and the th10 having inferno towers, this is a serious mismatch! The biggest difference is we have spent the time at level 8 and 9 upgrading walls. Multiple members have black skull walls. The other clan is at pink crystal, with some purple crystal.
It is ridiculous that walls are a part of the equation in determining match ups. A level 5 wall breaker on rage can break through a black skull wall. I wish now I had left mine at purple crystal.
My strategy is to max everything until you have maxed out everything for one resource. So, upgrade walls untill you finish all of your elixir upgrades, then move up so you don't waste elixir while upgrading your walls.
Walls are the ONLY thing you have to max before going to the next TH.
Awesome. Looks like purple wallls aint to bad for th 10Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesTeg
But in later townhall levels there will be more air attacks. Sure your walls are good, but somone later will attack you with air troops, where walls are absolutely useless , as somone explained earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Untamei7
Thanks for sharing . But i have to disagree that just dumping extra resources in walls , and they will get maxed naturally. 1 mil per piece and 3 mil per piece? 500k per piece?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyxiggon
You say you have any lavas. So im assuming you have full legos. So you dump 1 mil gold on walls, and you eventually got full legos? You never went out of your way to grind them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
Yes im planning to max them now.Quote:
Originally Posted by themubz
I dont think a th 9 with purple walls would be considered a rusher. But a th 7 with level 2 walls that would be a rusher.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelAwesome
Have to agree with you. But i dont think grinding legos or lavas for months is considered efficient, where your defenses are maxed, you can upgrade your th, and progress even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
awesome. Again, as long as your defensive structures are maxed, dont think walls are too important.Quote:
Originally Posted by resnullius
Lol this happened in my old clan. There were a lot of maxed th 8 ( even walls) and we had 1 fresh th 9. We were matched against 4 th 9..Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckBurchfield
meh. I prefer to max all gold and wall upgrades, besides walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
Is this a troll comment? If its not, no offense but level 1 defense structures with max zaps th 10 is USELESS.Quote:
Originally Posted by lolnopound
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Originally Posted by ChuckBurchfield
This explains a lot of my recent horrific clan war draws with me and my other TH8 buddies at full black skull walls.
We ended up just going to TH9 and ending the "drawing advantage" because it quickly became nonexistant - we were matching regularly with more well-developed th9s with purple walls. Surprisingly, some of us managed to hold them to 1 or 2 stars.
No more warring for my team until we are at this same point in TH9, sans the wall upgrades.
We had warred rather successfully countlessly with maxed defenses, but more than half of us have been pushing walls, so there's that....
That's why you upgrade your defensive structures too.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
The game would be boring without them. You would finish everything(except maybe heroes) within 2 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
and supercell has to get their money from somewhere.... Right?
lol i agree with you. But the game would also be boring if you had to max all walls that cost 3 MIL PER PIECE FOR MONTHSQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomaster1275
Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
With 40 replies saying you should upgrade and one you shouldn't upgrade your walls.
You're finding the one that says you shouldn't upgrade your walls.
You already made up your mind.
Trust me. upgrade them. It'll scare away attackers.
Don't upgrade them past level 7. Cause at level 7 they still need 2 maxed wall breakers to blast them.
already made up my mind. keeping them at skulls. from there ill just dump gold on walls, which will rarely happen since legos are like 1 mil.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritKiller
Unless you rage them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warasin
Psssssssst.....it only gets worse....Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
I've been farming lava walls for close to a year now (in between farming for other stuff like archer towers)....and still have 108 left. 3 mill a piece....
Walls aren't supposed to stop wall breakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warasin
To the OP... I now have a few short of 50 lavas, and no, I've never ground out walls at any time. I've been playing for over 2 years now though so that should explain everything for you. I don't boost and I don't barch/bam etc which is why it takes me so long. But again, I don't care about walls at this point.
Keep your walls low better for me when I attack you
Im a TH9 grinding out lvl 10 walls atm. A lot of you say its not worth the time and I'd imagine you all are the same folks with lvl 15 royals going to TH10 lol Im not in a rush Im def in it for the long haul which is why maxing royals/walls/defenses all must be complete before I upgrade my townhall.
Yeah, because spending 6 months with 4-5 idle builders makes perfect sense. If you are not gemming your time then this is the absolute minimum you are looking at with getting both your heroes to L30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tattius
We all play the game differently and if you enjoy this method then good on you. I maxed all my defenses at TH9 and only had skulls walls and L10-11 heroes. I got bored because grinding out anything on this game is not my idea of fun. I went to TH10 and the game become fun again as I had new defenses and it brought all new aspects to the gameplay for me. Best decision I ever made and it is not like my lower lv heroes or walls stopped me from doing much. I still went to champs, I did well in wars, etc. My heroes are now both L20 and I have no intention of taking them any further even though I am now a fully maxed TH10 base in both lab and base upgrades. I'm in it for the long haul too, I guess they just mean different things to us.
it is nessacary to upgrade walls before going to the next th but i often stop when im 3/4 completed because .... CANT BE BOTHEREDQuote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
King is 22 Queen is 28....Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
Do the skullz and you'll be fine
The higher ur th the less loot you'll get.. Making walls harder to upgrade. Take advantage of being a low th
Do you know you could get a jail sentence if you dont max your walls. Its now your wish if you want to go to jail or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
That really sucks man. Upgrade your th already! You have 5 BUILDERS IDLE for NO REASON!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackhawkBill
Just upgrade your th man.. as someone said, th 10 doing fine with purple walls. he claims to doesnt affect him in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tattius
Agreed. if having 5 builders idle, grinding walls for months is fun to you, then play the game that way. Lets all remember that this is just a game. And in a game, were supposed to have fun in a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
Nice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tattius
meh. nawt fun being in a low th for months just because of walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramirez2431
AM PLANNING ON DOING THAT :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ahorer
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Originally Posted by Krishna912
because it's normal to see TH8s with 1bil + gold grab, TH10s and TH9s can't can't get loot easier than lower THs that's why they can afford to upgrade heros past lv20, that's why they can afford lava walls, that's why I've seen many TH9s with over 1bil GG and highest TH8 by far is 400mil, because TH9s struggle to get loot more than TH8... seems legit:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramirez2431
edit: I think I'll start a new TH7 account and Race it with my TH9 accounts to see who can get to 1bil GG first, because lower THs get loot so easy I'm sure it can be done am I right? (lol JK but I think you see my point, higher TH levels forget how bad farming is at lower TH levels, weaker troops less camps, less spells, you stole way less at lower THs, it's just that upgrades were way cheaper so it seemed like you had more loot)
As a Th9, I don't think its absolutely necessary to max the walls but we should have atleast full lego walls, as it would work as a intimation factor once you reach Th10 along with the Infernos :)
Stop coming here and only hearing what you want to hear. Purple walls for a th9 or a th10 is pathetic. He only thinks having purple walls doesn't affect him because he's bad at the game and wants an excuse to not have to farm out the walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimatter
If you are bored and don't want to do it, then upgrade the town hall so you can get inferno towers and have fun. That's the key point. But if you are serious about clash of clans, then you would stay and max all your walls.
Its worth it
Honestly no.The jump spell really changed the game.
I don't understand the wall craze. On paper, it seems great, but in reality, they don't end up doing that much. Half of the big attacks are from the Air, meaning you could have no walls and it wouldn't matter. You have troops that jump over walls, the jump spell, wall breakers etc..
All this and how many millions/billions of gold did you put into those walls?? How many years do you think it would take to recoup the difference, of how much you get raided for? Not saying that you should neglect your walls to the point of having pink walls at TH10, but do you really think lava walls is gonna make that much of a difference over lego or skull?? How much is this really saving you??
there are players that are serious about clash of clans that don't max walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by lolnopound
I laugh everytime I hear air attacks referenced in the wall debate. Both heroes stay on the ground. Ever watched a king try to smash through level 10 or level 11 walls?
Are walls worth it? Absolutely. Are they worth the time/money it takes to get them? Totally depends on the player and your goals.
Ive managed to farm around 100 level 9 walls since maxing my th in every other aspect and to be honest, im thinking about going to th10, a guy in my clan who maxed theirs around the same time as me went to th10 and how has all the extra defenses you gain, and honestly im beginning to think i should have gone to th10 sooner.
^ This. I've been a TH9 now for a few weeks now and I already have 8/250 lavas and the rest skulls. I'm working them in as I focus on elixir upgrades and, yes, I am keeping a lazy builder. I feel the 40 days of build time you loose keeping a sleepy 5th builder is chump change in light of working my heroes up to 30 each. Having a little patience can benefit you greatly. What's another week, two weeks, a month? I mean total time to max a TH9 is over 6 months already with 5 builders. Don't be lazy and impatient. Trust me, doing them now will pay dividends to you in the future. But alas, to each their own :rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
man, lemme tell you this, people arguing that walls help aren't wrong at all, they do a lot, but defenses help A HELL OF A LOT MORE, and everyone saying upgrade walls is saying that, oh it helps against attacks, air attacks aren't the only factor, which is a very valid argument to the point, BUT at the same time, as you are right now, max TH9 defenses I presume? I as a TH8 can confidently say I could 2 star your base (before you accuse me of lying, watch my channel and check my thread here: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-comp-gowivape because people always accuse me of lying lol) now if you had simply maxed your lego walls and upgraded to TH10, or even just moved up to Th10 when your defenses were done, even if you had lv7 walls, you'd be a way stronger TH10, and then I wouldn't be able to 1 star your base most probably, and you'd do way better on defense as well as get an offensive boost with stronger troops earlier, now If I can raid those lava walls and I'm a TH8 with a little bit of know how on golem based raids, tell me if a good TH9 attacker found you, or if I had TH9 troops, would you say your defense would hold up better as it is now or if you had moved to TH10 earlier, watch TheHulkFiles YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVY...6xTNbaclC-Gyfw 3 starring TH9 with high walls all day, just 1 example of exactly how exploitable TH9s are because defenses are lower, now I say TH9 specifically because you kinda can't upgrade past TH10, but it applies the same to all TH8s and TH7s, again clarifying, I love walls I would say max them out if you do it before you max your defenses, but if you are wasting builder time and lab time it's not worth it because your results will be worse, staying at your TH to upgrade walls after you've maxed not only halts your defensive progression hugely but it's also stopping you from getting that much stronger TH10 attack force, all the people saying it's gonna help in the future, how can you prove that? Th10 farmers get loot for days, watching Whites channel just an example, you see how fast his storages get filled? Th10 loot problems are just an excuse for bad farmers, prove me wrong about that if you can because I can't confirm that last part either, it's just based on what I've seen but everything up top is facts I can confirmQuote:
Originally Posted by Firkrag
Walls are love, Walls are life
here's the thing, if you don't gem, you're going to fall behind other players if you focus on walls too much. you're going to fall further and further behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firkrag
i don't know how much you play, but TH11 is coming sooner or later. for players like me, who focus on defenses first and walls only to the point that they require 2 wbs, we'll be ready (and willing) to make the jump to TH11. i can't emphasize how important layout is, either. over time, you'll see that people only attack your base from certain points and you can figure out which walls you want to upgrade and which ones are less important.
in any case, if you plan on maxing walls at TH9 and TH10… you'll be there for a really long time. 750 million gold for all lvl 10 walls and 1 BILLION gold for all lvl 11 walls. there are lots of people on the forums who have been playing since release who haven't gotten half of that amount yet. we're not talking a week or a month -- you'll be stuck with idle builders for many many months -- years, even.
meanwhile, your "peers" will be maxing defenses and troops at TH11. they'll be able to smash your base (much like any TH10 with maxed troops can smash your TH9 base now). personally, i'd prefer having maxed troops and defenses over focusing on walls.
As a TH8 with full skull walls, I may have been wiped maybe 10-15 times over the 3 or so months I was there. Most attacks were TH snipes and barching armies that were easy to stop. I did have sleepy builders too as there was 62 extra days worth of lab upgrade times over the amount of time it took to max my defensive buildings. Even at TH9 now, I have only been 2 starred maybe like 3-5 times in the few weeks I've been there, maybe 3 starred once? Same thing as at TH8, sniping and barching armies. I haven't seen 1 balloon yet. I'm not trying to disagree with you that TH10's can't farm. I'm not there yet but I'm sure the loot is okay. No need to argue that point. All I know is, I haven't really needed the extra defensive boost yet. Even in war dude, if I get 3 starred so what? I'm usually putting up 4-6 stars myself to balance for the loss. So, for me, the extra days and 1 sleepy builder time are fine. I'd rather not worry about doing level 10&11 walls at TH10 imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason5267
If you're doing an air attack and you need your king to get to the middle of the base, you screwed up. Otherwise, 3 level 6 wall breakers bust a hole in a level 11 wall just as easily as level 9 or 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
I'm not worried about TH11, nor the grind to full lavas. Max lab time for TH9&10 combined is 342 days, which is almost a year. I started the game in April 2014 and have already played about 60% of that time anyway and, at the rate I am, I'll probably play another couple of years anyway. So I still say, what is a few more days? So I won't be able to see TH11 when you guys do? Big deal. I'll get there eventually. I didn't know it was a race. I will take on your theory on it taking many many months/years to get my lavas though. Also, to your point about destroying my base, see my last reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by resnullius
I say at lower levels it is crucial but when you start to look at th9's I think it's pointless to max out to lavas. Thats just silly. I've always thought that maxing out TH8 made you already look so much better that so many other bases.
What should a player do with their excess gold? Isn't it nice we can dump it into walls for an extremely small marginal gain? This way the extremely active players do get rewarded/status, but very little of a tangible advantage over others.Quote:
Originally Posted by OpAsHeck
Depends I'd say. What it should be is that you have all your walls one level below the max for your current TH before moving onto the next. (TH2 L1, TH3 L2,..., TH8 L7, TH9 L9). Seeing as you're full level 7 walls, move on.
FYI, don't complain about legos or below. Those are super easy and get done it no time comparatively. I was doing lavas before a bit, and let me tell you, it's not very hard. Yes, it's more long, but I mean skulls don't even take that long, quit complaining. (lol the irony)