Nosense game for pros since last update - santa and castle

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Originally Posted by Kokoima

2600 life now.
4,5 times stronger. Neither 4 lightning will destroy it.
4 Santas? dont now.

Lets see what happens.

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I take back my words. increasing hp by around 4x is really a non expected update wich i actually like.
Using 4 spells to destroy it is not worth it (no rage/heal left). Rather lure troops outside. use lightning on them. Have 3 heal/rage (or maybe a santa) spells left.

Santa is still great (but not UBER good) for taking out clusters of defences.

I do get concerned with the way that Supercell make these updates/changes then do a U-Turn within a day or two. If they finally hang up the Developer boots there will surely be an opening for them in British Politics.

This fix was rushed in because a number of high profile, high purchasing gem players got upset and threatned to quit the game.. The fatted calf was on the way out the door.....

I mean no ill will to these players and i am not trying to make you irrate, its how you chose to play and im cool with that.. I would probably do the same if my wallet could handle the dent..I also appreciate why you get annoyed...

This comment is not directly about the "bug" more about Supercells dependency of High end Gem purchasing..

I for one was hoping that the bottom would fall out of the High rollers Gem buying market and give some of the others a chance...

While the high rollers are buying gems the farming sub-culture will continue to flourish..And that is exactly why Supercell refuse to close the door on the the farming loopholes... becuase they hope that one day these players will eventually rise and need to buy gems...

However the divide between Top and middle tier players is increasing at a dramatic rate, this will have long lasting ramifications within the CoC game.. Im more than capable of getting 2500 trophies, but that would potentially put me on the top players radar... Instead i stay well out of their reach as do most of my clan and many thousands more...

Oh well there are crops to be harvested..

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Originally Posted by kokoima

rauta, it will help also, if u slow again the out of the troops, since winter update, they go out faster, and its easy to destroy them. Before the output rate was 1/s, that makes the attack more dificult.

Regards,

kokoima

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ARE You GRATEFUL?

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Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear

I do get concerned with the way that Supercell make these updates/changes then do a U-Turn within a day or two. If they finally hang up the Developer boots there will surely be an opening for them in British Politics.

This fix was rushed in because a number of high profile, high purchasing gem players got upset and threatned to quit the game.. The fatted calf was on the way out the door.....

I mean no ill will to these players and i am not trying to make you irrate, its how you chose to play and im cool with that.. I would probably do the same if my wallet could handle the dent..I also appreciate why you get annoyed...

This comment is not directly about the "bug" more about Supercells dependency of High end Gem purchasing..

I for one was hoping that the bottom would fall out of the High rollers Gem buying market and give some of the others a chance...

While the high rollers are buying gems the farming sub-culture will continue to flourish..And that is exactly why Supercell refuse to close the door on the the farming loopholes... becuase they hope that one day these players will eventually rise and need to buy gems...

However the divide between Top and middle tier players is increasing at a dramatic rate, this will have long lasting ramifications within the CoC game.. Im more than capable of getting 2500 trophies, but that would potentially put me on the top players radar... Instead i stay well out of their reach as do most of my clan and many thousands more...

Oh well there are crops to be harvested..

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Good analysis terminator-bear. Kokomo has spent a lot of money on gems. Need to keep the funds coming.

It is going to be a treat watching him try to hold on to that number one slot.

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Originally Posted by Kokoima

I had grown 400 trophies in 1,5 days. From 2995 to 3395.
Top 1. I didnt need any advanced tactic. Just destroy castle and throw a bunch of drakos or pekkas.

The top ranking is no sense.

There is no way to make a good defense.

Please fix this, and let the pros enjoy the game with a ranking with the top players and not the top santas.

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Kokoima I've been watching your progress as Im sure you have been with mine. I want to share a post with you guys that I put on Bonbee glassboar. Hope it helps and gives a fair and honest view of how the 'pros' feel. I sent it in a mail to SC

http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PoohFacehttp://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.pngSo I posted the following to our clan Bonbee Canada and I sent it with responses to Supercell. There is a legal case here regarding exploitation of customers but thats for another day. Here is my post. Hope it makes sense...


Hi Supercall
My in game name is “Pooh Face” (don't ask) I am a member of Bonbee Canada. I spend circa £**** per month on the game. I have some serious concerns that we at Bonbee have been discussing at length. I made a post regarding these issues on our clan glassboard. The following is that post so as to give you a full understanding of our concerns;
“GUYS I'm a business man as you know and I have a keen eye with regards to sales strategies. I have been studying the changes made to the game over the past few weeks including today's hit point increase to CC. I have made the following observations;
It's important to first understand the following.
Based on number of players in game, age groups and financial means of different age groups in the game (best guess) its fair to say that players fall into 3 groups;
Noobs (just started to roughly lev 45) - zero to low spend
Medium players - spend once a month but only if they can and some spend then regret as they can't sustain spend so not a massive amount of revenue
Top players- spend extreme amounts on a regular basis and have the ability to sustain the spend
Noobs and medium combined would be roughly 70% of total players.
Now from a business view;
20% of player bring in 80% of revenue for SC
Now SC will monitor spending and P&L fluctuations but they will not spot it soon enough. Spot what you might ask. Well as we now know, one of the affects of these extreme game changes is that the better player you are or become the lesser the reward so you can keep rising to the top BUT you can not stay there. which begs the question, paying to get to the top is one thing but would you keep doing it over and over? What SC will soon realise is the 20% players that I referred to are not spending anywhere near the same. This is not because they don't want to, it's because they have no need to as they are stuck spending hours just to find a battle. Those hours spent trying to find a battle are not actually gameplay time so in affect they have reduced our gameplay time massively.
Secondly Defence verses attack's balance has changed in such an extreme manner that it means the balance has gone from the game. I attacked a lev 91 yesterday. I 3 stared him at got 3 cups. He revenges me and 3 stared me and got 54 cups. I spent 8 hours of play to gain 20 cups. I lost 54 in just one def.
SC made changes today to increase hit points on CC but this just means you use two Santa's instead of one or one Santa and 1 lightening. Nothing has changed to address the fact that defence war does not exist now. We are building bases just to limit loss not to win on defence.
If you was a brand new player armed with this information would you really play this game never mind spend your hard earned cash. There is no need now to upgrade defence. For a new player they can just attack only and have no defence.
Simply put and as my audience is some of the top players in the game, the game changes of late punish the top players and the high spenders in a manor that makes me feel foolish for spending ant further. I'm not sure if this is what SC intended but nevertheless it is so and as such, I will spend one week from today monitoring the situation and if nothing has changed I will delete my game one week from today.
In the mean time I will email SC with my views and I may send a copy if this post also but first I would like to hear your thoughts
I hope I have managed to articulate my points correctly
Your Pooh Face

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Originally Posted by Rauta

Still, you can take out the whole set of troops with one lightning when they are outside, but that's pretty much how it has always been. Does require a bit more skill now that the CC troops jump over walls though :)

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Rauta honestly i dont have any question against supercell now... Well done guys thanks for extending the hp of cc... Ofcourse it requires skill to bring all troops outside atleast we have chance of win :):) thanks team

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

Kokoima I've been watching your progress as Im sure you have been with mine. I want to share a post with you guys that I put on Bonbee glassboar. Hope it helps and gives a fair and honest view of how the 'pros' feel. I sent it in a mail to SC

http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PoohFacehttp://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.pngSo I posted the following to our clan Bonbee Canada and I sent it with responses to Supercell. There is a legal case here regarding exploitation of customers but thats for another day. Here is my post. Hope it makes sense...


Hi Supercall
My in game name is “Pooh Face” (don't ask) I am a member of Bonbee Canada. I spend circa £**** per month on the game. I have some serious concerns that we at Bonbee have been discussing at length. I made a post regarding these issues on our clan glassboard. The following is that post so as to give you a full understanding of our concerns;
“GUYS I'm a business man as you know and I have a keen eye with regards to sales strategies. I have been studying the changes made to the game over the past few weeks including today's hit point increase to CC. I have made the following observations;
It's important to first understand the following.
Based on number of players in game, age groups and financial means of different age groups in the game (best guess) its fair to say that players fall into 3 groups;
Noobs (just started to roughly lev 45) - zero to low spend
Medium players - spend once a month but only if they can and some spend then regret as they can't sustain spend so not a massive amount of revenue
Top players- spend extreme amounts on a regular basis and have the ability to sustain the spend
Noobs and medium combined would be roughly 70% of total players.
Now from a business view;
20% of player bring in 80% of revenue for SC
Now SC will monitor spending and P&L fluctuations but they will not spot it soon enough. Spot what you might ask. Well as we now know, one of the affects of these extreme game changes is that the better player you are or become the lesser the reward so you can keep rising to the top BUT you can not stay there. which begs the question, paying to get to the top is one thing but would you keep doing it over and over? What SC will soon realise is the 20% players that I referred to are not spending anywhere near the same. This is not because they don't want to, it's because they have no need to as they are stuck spending hours just to find a battle. Those hours spent trying to find a battle are not actually gameplay time so in affect they have reduced our gameplay time massively.
Secondly Defence verses attack's balance has changed in such an extreme manner that it means the balance has gone from the game. I attacked a lev 91 yesterday. I 3 stared him at got 3 cups. He revenges me and 3 stared me and got 54 cups. I spent 8 hours of play to gain 20 cups. I lost 54 in just one def.
SC made changes today to increase hit points on CC but this just means you use two Santa's instead of one or one Santa and 1 lightening. Nothing has changed to address the fact that defence war does not exist now. We are building bases just to limit loss not to win on defence.
If you was a brand new player armed with this information would you really play this game never mind spend your hard earned cash. There is no need now to upgrade defence. For a new player they can just attack only and have no defence.
Simply put and as my audience is some of the top players in the game, the game changes of late punish the top players and the high spenders in a manor that makes me feel foolish for spending ant further. I'm not sure if this is what SC intended but nevertheless it is so and as such, I will spend one week from today monitoring the situation and if nothing has changed I will delete my game one week from today.
In the mean time I will email SC with my views and I may send a copy if this post also but first I would like to hear your thoughts
I hope I have managed to articulate my points correctly
Your Pooh Face

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Hi Pooh Face,

First of all thanks for sharing you point of view. I have the same opinion in most of the points you wrote.
Its not funny to spend a lot of time touching search again to find a battle and also to win it without effort, also is not funny to see that almost all the bases are easy to make 3 or 2 stars. Don't try new defence since im in shield, but ill try and see how it works.

I don't have the solution, i agree with you in your demands to SC, and i sum up. I want this to be a fair and enjoyable game that make the best player the best player, not a matter of patience, time or money.

I tried to visit bombee while we are fighting for the first last night to talk to you and share our opinions, but i cannot get into the clan. Now i realize you think the same.

Also notice that other top members from other clans, almost in AfterDark, also agree with all of these.

By the way, it was funny our race last day, i had a good time, but as you know, it was a matter of random luck.

Hope things change and the game still worth for us.

Best regards,

Kokoima

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Originally Posted by Kokoima

Hi Pooh Face,

First of all thanks for sharing you point of view. I have the same opinion in most of the points you wrote.
Its not funny to spend a lot of time touching search again to find a battle and also to win it without effort, also is not funny to see that almost all the bases are easy to make 3 or 2 stars. Don't try new defence since im in shield, but ill try and see how it works.

I don't have the solution, i agree with you in your demands to SC, and i sum up. I want this to be a fair and enjoyable game that make the best player the best player, not a matter of patience, time or money.

I tried to visit bombee while we are fighting for the first last night to talk to you and share our opinions, but i cannot get into the clan. Now i realize you think the same.

Also notice that other top members from other clans, almost in AfterDark, also agree with all of these.

By the way, it was funny our race last day, i had a good time, but as you know, it was a matter of random luck.

Hope things change and the game still worth for us.

Best regards,

Kokoima

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was a good race bro. I enjoyed it. BUT I hat this 2 hours waiting for a match just to get 1 t

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

was a good race bro. I enjoyed it. BUT I hat this 2 hours waiting for a match just to get 1 t

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Sure,

Just to mention, that vinhto lost their 36 trophies attacking last hour a new base design without defense troops.
I know with which base he lost it.
So there is some hope that there is possible to have a good base for defence now.

See u on battles.

Regards.

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

'pros'

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You mean gemmers. The only 'pro' part about it is how quickly you can perform that IAP.

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

There is a legal case here regarding exploitation of customers

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No there isn't. I checked. Zero legality. Zero class action. At best you will get a refund from Apple if you are lucky, but Apple wants to protect their investment also so good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

Noobs and medium combined would be roughly 70% of total players.

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You're off. More like 90%. But you are missing a key variable with the "medium players" that I will address later.

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

paying to get to the top is one thing but would you keep doing it over and over?

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For a "business man" I'm actually quite surprised it took you this long to surmise this simple concept of the freemium, monetization of the gamer, model.

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

I attacked a lev 91 yesterday. I 3 stared him at got 3 cups. He revenges me and 3 stared me and got 54 cups. I spent 8 hours of play to gain 20 cups. I lost 54 in just one def.

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This imbalance is key to keeping you on the hook longer. Again...why did it take so long for you to realize this? Were you not around during the 1-3 cup arguments?

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

the game changes of late punish the top players and the high spenders in a manor that makes me feel foolish for spending ant further.

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The key to your argument: BUYER'S REMORSE

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

I'm not sure if this is what SC intended

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Don't doubt yourself. It is exactly what they wanted. You and I are INCOME. Supercell is ENTERTAINMENT. You PAID to be ENTERTAINED and now want your money back with talks of "class action". Don't ever take your kids to Disneyland. THEY DON'T OFFER REFUNDS IF YOUR KID DOESN'T LIKE MICKEY.

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Originally Posted by PoohFace

I will delete my game one week from today.

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I'm looking forward to this turn of events in your "honorable" BC.


Now...back to what you missed about the "middle players". They are a key source of CONSTANT, SLOW, INCOME. A variable that you truly underestimated. You so-called 'pros' are just icing on the cake.


Honestly, the only thing that irritates me is that I can't directly invest in Supercell or the companies that front-loaded them the captial banking on their success. The world spins on money and the success of a captialized market. Supercell is winning right now. Don't hate them because they are #1. Play the game or find another app. As sad as this may seem, it is the honest truth that you need to wrap your brain around.

Oh yeah, just so you know. Those other clans rising to the top...are just waiting for Bonbee to lose their pride and drop out of the race to take your spot. I'd show you more about Kokomo but I'm saving that juicy bit for later.

Regards, Number 7