Town Hall 7 - My Answer to Barcher raids

OK be honest.. how crappy is this? It does seem to work well against level 5 barbarians and archers, while with a Barbarian King.

Before people say it, yes I know almost ALL of the buildings are inside walls. It surprised me too when I was trying an idea out. The idea is to have the walls first, and then buffer buildings behind it, maximizing the firing time on attacking troops, even against ranged units.

The base is under constant upgrading, so some spots have down towers. But with the odd third mortar and odd fifth cannon, this allows me to keep base defence symmetry, and covering holes that might happen while upgrading. I can upgrade one mortar or wizard tower while one cannon or archer tower is also upgrading. I swap tower locations for each mortar/wizard tower and cannon/archer tower group once an upgrade is done and a new one made. Only issue I have is the air defense, since upgrading that always makes a hole.

When able, the two Wizard Towers will be back at opposet corners, covering the gaps the two center corner mortars leave. But for now, the building being upgraded is a buffer building. I'm surprised I was able to shoehorn in the Dark Elixir Drill, Dark Elixir Storage, and Barbarian King when I got them. Then later on, figure out how to keep all but the army camps inside, and use the army camps as a buffer effectively.

Some of the features.

• All walls have fire cover, including splash damage. Corners chopped to bring into fire support range.
• All important defence structures are safer from archer and wizard fire than with traditional bases.
• When a wall is breached, it causes a 'kill zone', where units bunch up and are vulnerable to splash damage.
• Storages are decentralised, making the attacker having to work for each storage building, and group up more.
• Wall has to be breached to get enough access for 50% score.
• Town Hall access needs two full wall breaches, and plow through three layers of buildings to even shoot at it.

Downsides

• Loot loss is easier, as an average raiding attack will get to one or two storages, before being exhausted.
• Works best with working giant bombs, spring traps, and Clan Castle troops.
• Clan castle troops are still able to be lured out on one side.
• Wall Breakers obviously are easier to use on, and improves chances successful attack (but kill zones are still there)
• Weak against a mass of giants (weakness depends on if CC troops are lured and killed)

Of course like most bases, one can overwhelm it with force if you spend a lot on Dragons, a mass of Hog Riders, PEKKAs, etc, but the point is to make it resistant to people wanting loot. Currently, with the one Air Defense down, and not max level, Dragon raids still wipe me out. Had two fluke lvl2 Dragon raids, first ever dragon raids in ages, happen within 24 hours of each other; and ironically shortly after suggesting to people to have fun with expensive armies and dragon raids when they were complaining about extra Elixir from unable to upgrade walls with it.

I now get wins most times, finally. Either lvl4 for barchers think they can take it on, and fail; or lvl5 barchers exhaust themselves over loot grabbing, and not get a 50% score. Had people with wall breakers, giants, healers, and archers fail, because they failed to take out CC troops. Several times giant bombs stopped people from getting three stars on me, as the raiding mob of troops run into them after turning a corner, and it is usually over for the offensive then. I'm still proud of the fact I repealed a lvl5 barchers early on with this, sporting defenses that I had maxed out from TH6!

This could be tricky for lv4 barching troops but for lv5 ones it's pretty easy, they could get 50%, maybe even the town hall. I don't know if you want to protect mines and collectors. I wanted so when I was a TH7 and I didn't want people to easily barch my inactive base and get all the loot. So I made a base with all mines and collectors inside it and all defenses and it worked pretty well. I left all my storages, clan castle and any other buildings outside.

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Originally Posted by GreatHawke

This could be tricky for lv4 barching troops but for lv5 ones it's pretty easy, they could get 50%, maybe even the town hall. I don't know if you want to protect mines and collectors. I wanted so when I was a TH7 and I didn't want people to easily barch my inactive base and get all the loot. So I made a base with all mines and collectors inside it and all defenses and it worked pretty well. I left all my storages, clan castle and any other buildings outside.

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lvl 5 barchers with Barbarian King could easily 50% score on it, but don't. I have had attacks give 40-48% because they were focused on the two prong attack for one type of loot, likely thinking they could 50%, but don't (yes, with CC troop call in). Had several attacks not even give a shield. They get the loot, yes, but not all of it, and I get the trophies and another defence win tick on my achievement. Have yet to see (remember) a barchers raid breach the center section. A barcher army just doesn't have the troop numbers to clear the buffer buildings, and then breach and get loot, let alone breach the center. It just isn't worth it to risk going that deep to the mortars and town hall, and get ¼ of the loot to show for it. And this is level 5 toops; one town hall level higher than me, and with towers yet to be maxed from when I was TH6. I recently got my new towers up to level of my old towers, and will only get stronger with each upgrade.

Only center section breaches used giants and/or wall breakers, or better. Even then, anything short of a mass of hog riders or better usually doesn't 3 star. Had 23 giants (lv4) and wall breakers (lvl3) spam in with archers (lvl4) and wizards (lvl3), and then die off after the assault hit the other end of the base's defences, only getting 2 stars. 16 giants (lvl5), wall breakers (lvl4), and healer (lvl2), with barbarians (lvl5) and archers (lvl5) had the same fate.

What has 100% me was one total dragon (lvl2) raid, one dragon (lvl2) raid with a dozen Hog Riders (lvl1), and recently 20 giants (lvl5), 6 WB (lvl4), 2 Healers (lvl3), King (lvl3), 35 minions (lvl1), and 3 lightning spells (lvl5). The last attack zapped my only active air defense, with the other under upgrade, so the minions had fun with the base.

As for the mines and collectors, I am way too active to for them to be remotely full. Plus they are mostly level 9, with 3 lvl 8s, and not really good targets for looters (I would know lol. :p) You could maybe put resource buildings in some, but there aren't that many other kinds of buffer buildings to swap with, including empty storages. But storages are rather tough, and would make for a good luring buffer for slapsh damage towers to exploit.

Sorry about the long replies. Hope they didn't scare away anyone that would have said something.

Wondering what people think, since it seems to work OK, despite 'breaking' a couple usual base making rules of shouldn't have almost everything inside walls, and buffer buildings being not being on the outside of the walls.

Really hate bumping my thread, but was hoping to have more feedback than this.

Since I've used that basic setup, especially now with leveled up mortars, wizard towers, and air defenses, I've had quite a few wins. Sure they sometimes take a storage or two, sometimes wiped out with overwhelming forces by a higher level TH person, but some attacks, especially lvl4 barchers, just get utterly wiped out after breaching the wall. Just turns into a troop meat grinder fest with mortars, wizard towards, and CC troops just doing what they do best with bunched up mobs. It seems like an easy grab, but it's harder than what most people expect. :cool: heh

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Really hate bumping my thread, but was hoping to have more feedback than this.

Since I've used that basic setup, especially now with leveled up mortars, wizard towers, and air defenses, I've had quite a few wins. Sure they sometimes take a storage or two, sometimes wiped out with overwhelming forces by a higher level TH person, but some attacks, especially lvl4 barchers, just get utterly wiped out after breaching the wall. Just turns into a troop meat grinder fest with mortars, wizard towards, and CC troops just doing what they do best with bunched up mobs. It seems like an easy grab, but it's harder than what most people expect. :cool: heh

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Came here from another thread. I like the layout!

I'm a new TH7, so I care more about my DE storage than my town hall. However, this is the first time I've had my town hall INSIDE my walls. Before now, it's just been sitting in a corner for the free shield.

I have more than half my collectors inside my walls. I would have more, but I left plenty of 2x2 spaces for traps and decoys. I also left spaces for the 1x1 traps and decoys.

My town hall is inside the walls, but in the outer ring, not the core. I have the DE storage and CC protected by 3 layers of walls, so I didn't have enough walls to get all the collectors inside.

I'm still working on my layout. I get attacked less frequently than I expected, and I win 2/3 of the attacks against me. One all-dragon army raid so far, 3 stars, when my main AD was upgrading and my other AD was only level 1. (Yes, I should have upgraded in the other order, but I needed to start a long expensive upgrade so I could stagger my builders better.) I managed to get 4 of the 9 dragons without the main AD, so not too shabby.

Anyway, I'm still playing with the layout, so I might try something similar in one of my alternate layout slots and give you some feedback on my experience.

Wow, a reply! :D I haven't checked this thread in a while and didn't realize.
I went through several modifications since my first post. Ignoring the upgrading building shuffling Wizard Towers/ Mortars and Cannons/Archer Towers, I had to figure out where the odd third mortar and odd fifth cannon had to go.

http://i.imgur.com/96BMJVa.jpg

This is the current version. There were one or two earlier ones, but this one is a test on part of a setup for when I'm TH8. Yes, I was a new-ish TH7 when I made this thread, and now I'll be TH8 by the beginning of next month when my lab is done. Everything except my resource buildings are max level, so this will give a better idea on end stage TH7.

I've been partly obsessed with defence wins, and have been purposefully holding onto a fair amount of Gold and Elixir so I seemed like an appealing target. This season, with two days left, I've gotten 40 wins! :D Oddly enough, even with maxed out gold, I'm not getting raided every 5-10 minutes, so something is intimidating about this base. Holding 1 million gold and Elixir from my experience seems to be safe. You might get a foolhardy attacker, but they usually regret it... assuming if going just for loot.

So far my details have been holding true. Most TH7s, especially barchers (w/o wall breakers) have had little to no luck getting into this kind of layout. Max level TH8s (lvl5 troops), the main reason for making this, are having a harder time now, with leveled up defences.

This new setup with be partly put into my TH8 base, since it seems to work so well at wins. A little over half the time they get a fair amount of loot, once got the whole thing, except for Dark Elixir, and have barely needed to break shield to allow more raids to come.

Obviously this is not exactly a loot saving layout. But it will wear out most armies as they go for the loot, while things inside the central section stay save.

A key change in my layout is the CC being dead center. This is partly for protection, CC troop protection. The radius of the CC just fits inside the walls, so simple grab and pulls are not an option. It requires a wall breaker and units, or a significant force to break the wall and get the troops out. Most people are dedicated to the attack when trying to breach the wall, and don't stop to take out the CC troops. Some however stop the fight right there, and go to lure the troops outside. By then, the first part of the invading troops are dispatched, and they are burning time with CC troop management.

I can not stress enough just how helpful CC troops are, even just archers. Archers and a few wizards are the best, and still economical. Resetting well placed traps are key as well.

Last 2 days I had a 10 defence win streak until recently. I'm in Gold III, and still going strong on wins. However the other guy does get 'loot wins', but not always. Better than getting wipped or having your important Dark Elixir taken.

One thing to make note of.. Putting ALL your storages in the center will be too tempting a target. Your somewhat safe center section will be breached, as a dedicated forced will just plow straight in, and usually use goblins to gut the loot out of you, and likely take your TH. Plus your Splash damage mortars would have to be outside of the center, so once they breach a section, that's it.. no more real defence. There would be no reason to attempt to attack the other sections, and take more losses, if the storages are centralized.

Added Edit
I got raided while writing this. Was near the end when an attack really wrecked things. They didn't 3 star, no one has for a long while, but they got all the loot, town hall, and including the Dark Elixir. No base really can take all comers and win, and this one is no exception. It is still weak verse wall breakers, and a mass of giants can cause problems if the CC troops don't take them out fast. It seems like, if not packing enough wizards or a Valkyrie (that aren't lured and killed), a mass of giants, with healing effects (healer and/or heal spells) and wizards can wreck this base fairly thoroughly. Checking the defence logs, and I see that there are two other cases where that combo did equally massive damage. None 3 starred, but might as well have.

I'm sorry if I'm criticising but this base is pretty easy for any th 8 to barch and take all the D.E as well as all the gold and elixir. If I'd want de I'd use three fingers to deploy the barbs and then archs behind them from the right side and I'll probably snipe your town hall as well like that. If I'll also want gold and elixir I'll do the same from the southern side and left side and probably even 100 % you with the barb king so I'm not a fan of this base. It would be better if have 1 storage in each of the outer compartments for minimal loss as they will be spread out. Nice effort though and it would be better if you post some logs too.

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Originally Posted by K1NGP1N

I'm sorry if I'm criticising but this base is pretty easy for any th 8 to barch and take all the D.E as well as all the gold and elixir. If I'd want de I'd use three fingers to deploy the barbs and then archs behind them from the right side and I'll probably snipe your town hall as well like that. If I'll also want gold and elixir I'll do the same from the southern side and left side and probably even 100 % you with the barb king so I'm not a fan of this base. It would be better if have 1 storage in each of the outer compartments for minimal loss as they will be spread out. Nice effort though and it would be better if you post some logs too.

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I'm actually glad you said that. It is that kind of misconception that is likely why so many people fail at wining an attack.

And yes I know it is best to put one storage in each outer section. That's how I had it for the longest time. My first picture shows just that. But I'll be TH8 soon, and I need some way of keeping defences from getting shot down too fast, so this current setup is actually a hybrid of my TH7 design, and part of an TH8 design I'm thinking of. I will have an extra 2 storages and an extra wizard tower when I get TH8, and 6 storages don't symmetrically work with a 4 sided base so I have to start over again.

Anyway, records... I did an experiment base some days ago that has nothing to do with the layout we are talking about, but I don't know exactly when, but these should more or less be the list of attacks on either my current base, or the proper base with storages on each other section. BTW, sorry. first time using this image website and don't get them in an album.

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Woops! The links came out backwards! Oh well, I'm not going to fix them now. Takes time on a mobile phone as it is.

As you can see, regular barchers, even from a TH8 just fail to get 50%. They are usually lucky to do enough damage to get 40%. With the proper setup with storages on each outer section, a barcher would have to pick one or two sections before exhausting thier troop supply. You would think that taking a barcher straight in would net you Dark Elixir but then you are right in the middle of base defences, and have the other three sides firing at you. Tier-1 troops alone, even with a Barbarian King just don't stand a chance with that kind of firepower.

Even with traps tripped, and CC empty, a barcher raid still has a hard time pulling a moderate loot victory, depending on how much loot I have.

Currently, I have a glut of gold I cannot use at all until the TH8 upgrade, which is why those gold losses on the records are so high. I'm still raiding for Dark Elixir, and Elixir to fund my attacks and lab, and still get a fair amount of gold as a result. Just as well. The gold makes for a good lure for attacks. But gold alone doesn't seem to be a good enough lure. It sometimes takes hours for someone trolling around for a base to feel up to attacking. Once I get Elixir in there, people start attacking more often.

Also, incase you are wondering, this is my base before the hybrid experiment.
http://i.imgur.com/MYRjsg1.jpg
For a while I did have the storages more centered in the sections, but I later moved them closer to the wizard tower since they were so effective at taking out tier-1 troops, which were many.

And... that's it for now. I still don't know how I manage to make such huge posts, let alone on a smartphone.

Wanted to post this for those people saying it is 'so easy to...' whatever with barchers.
http://i.imgur.com/MKSSCzn.jpg

Whelp.. it finally happened . A barcher took my entire Dark Elixir Storage. It's easy to say I can <this and that> your base, but totally another to actually do it. They still didn't get 50%, adding another tick to my win count and trophy count, and they didn't pull any punches either if any of you are wondering (they never do).

http://i.imgur.com/MYRjsg1.jpg
This attack was on this kind of a base setup, taking out the whole right side side after zapping my right mortar. Archers managed to break into the center from and have a clear shot at the Dark Elixir Storage before being taken out by the rest of the defences from the other sections pointing inward at them.

This is the first barcher army (that I can ever recall) to do this since I started this thread, and it took the help of lightning spells to take out a mortar to do it too. So this is to say that this setup is much harder than one might think to break with just barchers, even from a TH8.

As customary for me, I will attempt to wipe out his base when they are holding a satisfactual amount of loot. I have a good track record with dragon attacks, but for Scott, whom I still respect for an outstanding attack on a base with a built purpose to stop the very army he used, I will be ironic and attack with a mass of hog riders! I have yet to really get a feel for them, and his base is sorely lacking in Dark Elixir to steal back. Plus, I have so much Dark Elixir, I should have fun with it. After all, what good is it if you can't spend it, right?

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Hope others test out this base idea and find it helpful. Feel free to comment on how well it goes :)