Hog riders are useless now.

Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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Originally Posted by Mooseramprof

Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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Traps make every body's life harder. Adapt to it.

Ah, another one of these. :) Oh, Hog Riders, why were you so good for so long? Now you're just like any other troop, you have to be used in conjunction with a variety of troops.

I'm right there with you. Hogs used to be my go to for mid th 9s and below. I shouldn't be attacking those any longer anyway, so needless to say unless lower levels is all I have to attack I won't use them for anything higher than a mid tier th 9 anymore. They're not completely obsolete because you can still use them pretty well for getting the CC troops out or a a few defenses out of the way on the edges but mass hogs is not what it used to be that is for sure.

You have to adapt and over come. Use Valks, Gowiwi, or Gowipe.

It still is possible to 3 star TH9s em with hogs.

When I don't its because I've screwed up somewhere.

I still use hog riders in war all the time you just have use them differently, the attack now is called hogowiwi. The idea of this attack is to half gowiwi to kill the clan castle, heroes and as many traps as you can. Then the hogs come in to clean things up. Don't complain hogs are useless now because they arnt, if u want to see them used well, join my clan and watch my attacks. Just put in your message that you've come to watch dano's raids. Don't give up on hogs man they still destroying fools.

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Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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Nope....still working just fine and I'm hitting th10s with active infernos......skellies are a minor nuisance compared to everything else they've tried to do to them.

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I still use hog riders in war all the time you just have use them differently, the attack now is called hogowiwi. The idea of this attack is to half gowiwi to kill the clan castle, heroes and as many traps as you can. Then the hogs come in to clean things up. Don't complain hogs are useless now because they arnt, if u want to see them used well, join my clan and watch my attacks. Just put in your message that you've come to watch dano's raids. Don't give up on hogs man they still destroying fools.

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Is it better to just go full gowiwi or half hogs with that? Never tried a combo.

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Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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You are right, and the answer is you have to adapt. Pure hogging is very difficult against well designed TH9s now. Mix in other troops, deploy hogs in smaller groups, change your timing, etc, etc. The game always changes, the good players adapt quickly and move on the next strategy.

No they r not uselss, like all other troop compositions u can knly attack certain type of bases. U cannot use them for trophy pushing they r too fragile for that, but in clan wars they still good 😊

I like them but they definitely are an all or nothing troop. Either you get lucky and 1 star or 3 star in dominating fashion. No middle ground. Fun to use when you have a lot of extra dark elixer

Agreed dude. There is no balance with hogs anymore. First they were OP and people complained. Then the G Bomb 1.5 damage addition. Then the skeleton traps. No longer a go to troop, which sucks, because they are definitely cool. I used alot of resources to upgrade them, but I never use them anymore.

maxed hogs need to be nerfed even more. even with double bb 3* any and every th9 is too easy

Really? I haven't had a problem with the little skeleton trap.

Of course I use a mixture of troops, as hogs were very vulnerable to Clan Castle defense and the queen just tears them up too. That is why you need to plan attacks, and not just do a single troop bomb hoping for the best.

It is a strategy game after all.

A few shooters on an attack will help with keeping the hogs safe, as well as handling the clan castle defense and skelis.

Now that sandboxing lets the enemy see where traps are and can set them off first, hogs are usefull in war agian.

Not to mention they can practice the attack 15 times to get it right.


Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

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Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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I think it's fine. With my lvl 4 hogs i can three star it. I usually send five hogs into the base first to draw them out tho. So everything is fine for me.

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maxed hogs need to be nerfed even more. even with double bb 3* any and every th9 is too easy

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Sarcasm or troll, or just talking rubbish... can't decide......

Hogs greatest threat is still the archer queen in center and double giant bombs. Skeleton traps hardly deal any damage with heal spell...

They are still very good, just different. You need to use them mixed in with other troops, no more mashing 30 hogs with your nose and winning.

so what's the best combo for hogs to attack mid th9 and lower? any suggestions???

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so what's the best combo for hogs to attack mid th9 and lower? any suggestions???

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Hogowiwi. We use this combination when we do gowiwi without Archer Queen . If you did a lot of gowiwi , you will learn that it is easy to 2 stars TH9 but hard to 3 stars . Gowiwi will clean out 1 side of base and penetrate to the core . But to get out from the core to clean up the other sides can be difficult with out firepower of AQ . This is when hogs come to play . Drop hogs after clean up the core .
http://youtu.be/W50Jao_KWmk

There's the problem. Spamming one troop with decent spell placement for a three star is not a good thing

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so what's the best combo for hogs to attack mid th9 and lower? any suggestions???

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Personally With my 9 I use 24 hogs 60 archers 40 gobs.....with usually a six pack of hogs in the castle. Whatever side you deploy hogs on, when the splash is gone half moon the archers to get rid of external resources.....then gobs will burrow inside.....heroes after the archers have picked off the rest of the outside buildings.....rinse...repeat. Also used this load out against th10 with level 1 infernos near the outside.

thanks for the idea kenny and polaris. i will try it out in my next cw.. ☺

hogs are good i just dont use them right now because i need the DE for heroes and troop levels. never understood why people did regular mass hog raids back then. a waste of DE.

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Is it better to just go full gowiwi or half hogs with that? Never tried a combo.

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I normally use about 14 hogs and the rest gowiwi, if u fill the clan castle with hog riders too it is plenty

Cry me a river

Sorry :P

So if you could 3 star any th9+ with all barbarians don't you think they'd make it a little harder.. Maby just until you acctuly need to try instead of spamming hogs everywhere and expecting 3 stars.

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Originally Posted by Mooseramprof

Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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So I had this same mindset after they nerfed hogs, I am in ExlusiveEmpire. We warred with reddit troopers some time ago. They came at us with everything! Goho, holo, and more. Our leader has mantained a friendship with Hulk from troopers. The other day Hulk came into our clan and recorded one of my ATTACKS and put it on YouTube. I have learned a ton from both my clanmates and watching hulks youtube and stream.

A few few months ago I was strictly gowiwi for wars. This video shows how far I have come. I owe a huge thanks to my clan and to reddit for the awakening! Btw skellys really do not affect hogsmto much. At least not that I have seen, they are worse on my pekkas.


http://youtu.be/oMBknsY52JM

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So I had this same mindset after they nerfed hogs, I am in ExlusiveEmpire. We warred with reddit troopers some time ago. They came at us with everything! Goho, holo, and more. Our leader has mantained a friendship with Hulk from troopers. The other day Hulk came into our clan and recorded one of my ATTACKS and put it on YouTube. I have learned a ton from both my clanmates and watching hulks youtube and stream.

A few few months ago I was strictly gowiwi for wars. This video shows how far I have come. I owe a huge thanks to my clan and to reddit for the awakening! Btw skellys really do not affect hogsmto much. At least not that I have seen, they are worse on my pekkas.


http://youtu.be/oMBknsY52JM

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Btw i still have lots to learn

Hogs r useless now?
Looks like SC's job is done now :D

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Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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Still seen skilled people use them to 3 star a max TH10... if you are complaining that you cant spam hogs and spells to 3 star a TH9, then you need to learn it shouldnt be that way. Otherwise, watch videos and practice more to learn how to counter skeleton traps and use hogs even more effectively with skill.

They should make hogs so that they attack heroes and/or skeleton traps...

im one of hog fans..long ago
now mass hog totally useless..
skeleton not an issue,but double giant bomb is.

Why don't you go whine to the top war clans who mostly use hogs at th9 for the 3 stars about how its impossible to do now.......

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Why don't you go whine to the top war clans who mostly use hogs at th9 for the 3 stars about how its impossible to do now.......

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Watch the video i posted on page 3. It's a hog attack

I have sure noticed a massive loss of potency for hogs from the skele traps. Not so much balloons, zero damage to drags, and an apparently severe effect to hogs.

Hogs used to blow through bases and it was just a question of "is it 3 or just 2 because they run out of time", because hog attacks tend to have to waste a fair bit of time just luring and trying to sniff out giant bombs. It is now quite rare that hogs go all the way and kill every defense.

Honestly if we get in a clan war and notice alot of the other team has hogs, we kind of party. Because they can't beat us anymore.

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Why don't you go whine to the top war clans who mostly use hogs at th9 for the 3 stars about how its impossible to do now.......

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top war clan here. probably THE BEST war clan that is just family and friends. We are blood relatives and neighbors and school kids we have 8 years olds... and...

95 wins.

Not gamers or big gemmers. Just awesome.

And yeah, hogs aren't really scary any more. Lvl 6 balloons are scary, with those pesky little hounds out in front of them.

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Why don't you go whine to the top war clans who mostly use hogs at th9 for the 3 stars about how its impossible to do now.......

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Watch dis dude use hogs IN CONJUNCTION with other troops for 3 stars
www.youtube.com/user/thehulkfiles

OneHiveRaids also has good hog rider attacks

And that of course means that hounds will be nerfed soon. Or balloons.

That is how SuperCell operates. It is exactly how they used hogs. They OP something and then they nerf it after everybody spent for it. Hounds will be no different, soon they will nerf them, AFTER everybody has spent on them. Now they are nerfing barch, that trend will continue, ...

They will eventually buff valks until they are actually useful, then they will nerf them.

Then they will rinse. Then they will repeat. Its how this company operates.

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top war clan here. probably THE BEST war clan that is just family and friends. We are blood relatives and neighbors and school kids we have 8 years olds... and...

95 wins.

Not gamers or big gemmers. Just awesome.

And yeah, hogs aren't really scary any more. Lvl 6 balloons are scary, with those pesky little hounds out in front of them.

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What is your clan name?

we have 103 wins and we wreck with hogs now.

Hogs are the most poorly designed troop in this game if you ask me. Theyre meant to support themselves, as their ai/jump separates them from the rest of your troops. The way theyre used is so vastly different from other troops. It feels as though they were rushed into the game without much thought for the sake of new content and it's too late to get rid of them now. I hate attacking with them and I hate defending against them.

opinions on level 6 hogs?

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opinions on level 6 hogs?

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Please no.

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What is your clan name?

we have 103 wins and we wreck with hogs now.

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pekka playhouse and I tend to suspect that if you are wrecking with hogs...

its an all ground hybrid strat OR you're in one of those clans that thinks 2 stars is a huge victory because you're all huge town halls.

Sorry but hogs just quit being a 3 star strat against a worthy base.

We are seeing more and more of weird hog/air/hybrid strategies. They essentially never work. All that accomplishes is setting off every single one of your opponents traps. I shake my head every time someone drops 3 dragons after a pile of giants or something just think " dude, there are 3 air mines" etc.

All TH8s and lower must be 3 starred. Last war we wiped all of those in about half of our TH8s and TH7s attacks because... its still dragon wars.

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Sorry but hogs just quit being a 3 star strat against a worthy base.

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Not true at all.

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Not true at all.

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how so? Haven't seen one against a truly worthy base SINCE SKELE TRAP RELEASE.

And that is an honest true story. When someone goes pigging they sometimes get 3 on our TH8s that have no interior spaces and cousin bobs traps are just splattered all over the map. But there are remarkably less hogs left at the end than before. And 3 stars against good bases are just exceedingly rare. Thats not even my opinion. Its just my honest experience. Over... 10 or 20 or 30 wars since skeles...

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bring therm onnn... Inferno & G.Bomb resistant... :eek::cool:;):p

the best times of this game was with the hogs & after the hogs were persistently nerfed so was the loot & then came androids , missed all the fun brought the rabbits & jill came tumbling after...

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how so? Haven't seen one against a truly worthy base SINCE SKELE TRAP RELEASE.

And that is an honest true story. When someone goes pigging they sometimes get 3 on our TH8s that have no interior spaces and cousin bobs traps are just splattered all over the map. But there are remarkably less hogs left at the end than before. And 3 stars against good bases are just exceedingly rare. Thats not even my opinion. Its just my honest experience. Over... 10 or 20 or 30 wars since skeles...

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hogs and lavaloonions are the most consistent way to 3 star max bases, lavaloonion being safer.

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how so? Haven't seen one against a truly worthy base SINCE SKELE TRAP RELEASE.

And that is an honest true story. When someone goes pigging they sometimes get 3 on our TH8s that have no interior spaces and cousin bobs traps are just splattered all over the map. But there are remarkably less hogs left at the end than before. And 3 stars against good bases are just exceedingly rare. Thats not even my opinion. Its just my honest experience. Over... 10 or 20 or 30 wars since skeles...

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Lol all the elite TH9 war clans use hogs, go look at reddit troopers, exclusive empire, one hive, clashheads etc they all use goho/holo to 3 star just about any TH9.

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hogs and lavaloonions are the most consistent way to 3 star max bases, lavaloonion being safer.

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without any disrespect at all, just please bear in mind it is preposterously difficult to assess who is speaking from experience and who is speaking from whatever causes people to join internet forums and just ... jabber.

what max base, exactly, has been hogged for 3 stars lately?

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without any disrespect at all, just please bear in mind it is preposterously difficult to assess who is speaking from experience and who is speaking from whatever causes people to join internet forums and just ... jabber.

what max base, exactly, has been hogged for 3 stars lately?

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You go find out for yourself, the resources are all around you.

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pekka playhouse and I tend to suspect that if you are wrecking with hogs...

its an all ground hybrid strat OR you're in one of those clans that thinks 2 stars is a huge victory because you're all huge town halls.

Sorry but hogs just quit being a 3 star strat against a worthy base.

We are seeing more and more of weird hog/air/hybrid strategies. They essentially never work. All that accomplishes is setting off every single one of your opponents traps. I shake my head every time someone drops 3 dragons after a pile of giants or something just think " dude, there are 3 air mines" etc.

All TH8s and lower must be 3 starred. Last war we wiped all of those in about half of our TH8s and TH7s attacks because... its still dragon wars.

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Hhmm mm ill post this again, I do this often now, Reddit troopers, yolo, holowiwi, onehive and us we all use these attack. We use them because they work.

this is me attacking this video. It's hulks channel from reddit troopers.


http://youtu.be/oMBknsY52JM

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You go find out for yourself, the resources are all around you.

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The burden of evidence falls on the person making the claim.

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The burden of evidence falls on the person making the claim.

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He is making the claim that good bases cant be hogged. The accepted position is that they are.

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The burden of evidence falls on the person making the claim.

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Watch the the video I posted, and it ends this despute.lol

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Watch the the video I posted, and it ends this despute.lol

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I did and it was a good raid. But that was not a max th10 base as Ben is claiming. And I for one do not believe a hog attack can 3* a max th10.

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I did and it was a good raid. But that was not a max th10 base as Ben is claiming. And I for one do not believe a hog attack can 3* a max th10.

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Its not a matter of believing at do a 10 second search on YouTube before making a claim lol

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I did and it was a good raid. But that was not a max th10 base as Ben is claiming. And I for one do not believe a hog attack can 3* a max th10.

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I didn't see someone say th10. That is very difficult, i two star th10 at times with gowipe, but fernos make the heal effect useless, only chance is freeze. I certainly do not see hogs three starring th10, i do see lavaloonian do it though.

I was mixing up my discussion with u guys and the one with humbob, my bad lol.

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Its not a matter of believing at do a 10 second search on YouTube before making a claim lol

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Being skeptical of a claim is not the same thing as making a claim,.. Kid

YouTube videos on this all are from before the skele trap update. So care to prove your claim?

Never been 3 starred with hogs in wars as a th9.Maybe around 80% is just one star,occasionally theyget the th.in my opinion anyone saying it easy to 3star th9 with hogs must be playing another game or has 40 lv heroes thus making his claim invalid.I used them in our last war and successfully made two 3 star attacks on th9s,however, to be possible 2 conditions are needed:
1) no double giants bombs or poorely placed ones(easily triggered with a few troops)
2) AQ must not be in the centre of the village,otherwise she will slaughter the pigs ,especially being level 10-15 or above

My two cents...

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Being skeptical of a claim is not the same thing as making a claim,.. Kid

YouTube videos on this all are from before the skele trap update. So care to prove your claim?

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I did not make a claim a fact is a fact. If you knew how the hogging was done then you would know skeleton traps do not factor into the equation. Again find a video or learn how to do it an try it on an appropriate base.

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Never been 3 starred with hogs in wars as a th9.Maybe around 80% is just one star,occasionally theyget the th.in my opinion anyone saying it easy to 3star th9 with hogs must be playing another game or has 40 lv heroes thus making his claim invalid.I used them in our last war and successfully made two 3 star attacks on th9s,however, to be possible 2 conditions are needed:
1) no double giants bombs or poorely placed ones(easily triggered with a few troops)
2) AQ must not be in the centre of the village,otherwise she will slaughter the pigs ,especially being level 10-15 or above

My two cents...

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There is almost always a way to get to the aq with the right kill squad and technique. I just three starred another th9 in the war im in now. Lvl 15 aq. Legos and skulls mostly maxed defense.

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There is almost always a way to get to the aq with the right kill squad and technique. I just three starred another th9 in the war im in now. Lvl 15 aq. Legos and skulls mostly maxed defense.

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Actually ly just looked all maxed defense and both heroes lvl 15

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I did not make a claim a fact is a fact. If you knew how the hogging was done then you would know skeleton traps do not factor into the equation. Again find a video or learn how to do it an try it on an appropriate base.

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This conversation is utterly pointless. What dont you understand about proof?

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This conversation is utterly pointless. What dont you understand about proof?

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You arent understanding. Top war clans frequently use hogs, and if you learnt how to attack you know what they can do. The burden of proof lies with you since you clearly don't know howto use them. Not my job to educate you, go learn how to use them first then give your opinion on what they cant/cant do.

Summary = ADEPT to it instead of complaining. Since nothing will be change. Tbh even though i like using hogs alot , i think that its pretty op that mass hog could go around clearing defense while heros/wiz clean the outer part and go in core. Just mix a variety of troops with it and it STILL works well. Still fail? just change to other combi. Gowipe or loonion works so dam well for 2 star at least.

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Summary = ADEPT to it instead of complaining. Since nothing will be change. Tbh even though i like using hogs alot , i think that its pretty op that mass hog could go around clearing defense while heros/wiz clean the outer part and go in core. Just mix a variety of troops with it and it STILL works well. Still fail? just change to other combi. Gowipe or loonion works so dam well for 2 star at least.

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adapt*

fdasa

when face-rolling isn't an option anymore... Thats when the noobs leave their caves to search for an answere.


Ooh aah what?

Nooo, nothing.

just kidding bro.

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You arent understanding. Top war clans frequently use hogs, and if you learnt how to attack you know what they can do. The burden of proof lies with you since you clearly don't know howto use them. Not my job to educate you, go learn how to use them first then give your opinion on what they cant/cant do.

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No, he is right, for full hog raids you either need a mid level th9 or lower / badly placed GB / or premmy th10 bases, else you need luck favoring you... I am only talking about wars... for normal raids still hogs rule...

Name the war clans you suggesting...

My clan just won against a full fledged hogger clan with higher th10 having 300/400 stars.. they dint even make it half way to our score...

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No, he is right, for full hog raids you either need a mid level th9 or lower / badly placed GB / or premmy th10 bases, else you need luck favoring you... I am only talking about wars... for normal raids still hogs rule...

Name the war clans you suggesting...

My clan just won against a full fledged hogger clan with higher th10 having 300/400 stars.. they dint even make it half way to our score...

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You might be thinking Im talking about 40+ hogs but 15-35 gives a good amount of leeway for diversity. Ice Ice baby, Exidias, InTheDark are notable for using them.

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No, he is right, for full hog raids you either need a mid level th9 or lower / badly placed GB / or premmy th10 bases, else you need luck favoring you... I am only talking about wars... for normal raids still hogs rule...

Name the war clans you suggesting...

My clan just won against a full fledged hogger clan with higher th10 having 300/400 stars.. they dint even make it half way to our score...

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Honestly in my experience it's the other way around, regular matchmaking you have thirty seconds to strategize and don't have the benefit of verifying ranges or whether the castle is full.

The most rediculous thread ive seen in a long time...

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Why do you say so? It's a real argument. I was of the persuasion that hogs were dead just a few months ago. I see now they are very alive and work well.

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No, he is right, for full hog raids you either need a mid level th9 or lower / badly placed GB / or premmy th10 bases, else you need luck favoring you... I am only talking about wars... for normal raids still hogs rule...

Name the war clans you suggesting...

My clan just won against a full fledged hogger clan with higher th10 having 300/400 stars.. they dint even make it half way to our score...

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Another good example of hogging clans is reddit troopers, check out thehulkfiles on youtube for some creative armies that use hogs (Usually <20) along with other troops to deal with aq, giant bombs, rings etc.

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Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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The fact that they alone could three star maxed th9s (or even th10s) was a perversion.

Top clans regularly use them to three star each other

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Originally Posted by Ben1234

You arent understanding. Top war clans frequently use hogs, and if you learnt how to attack you know what they can do. The burden of proof lies with you since you clearly don't know howto use them. Not my job to educate you, go learn how to use them first then give your opinion on what they cant/cant do.

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I just wanna say, you might not even be wrong, but you do a terrible job at convincing someone. What do I have to prove? You want me to prove what I THINK happens? Ill show you a failed hog attack? If you want to convince anyone otherwise, saying over and over again that something is a fact and then leaving it up to the other person to actually find evidence is just a childish way to have a conversation imo. Thus this is pointless and I have not been convinced of anything. You have a really snobbish attitude about this game and its annoying.

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Nope....still working just fine and I'm hitting th10s with active infernos......skellies are a minor nuisance compared to everything else they've tried to do to them.

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If TH10s upgrade their gbombs to level 4, those single shot max hogs.

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Originally Posted by Simulacra

I just wanna say, you might not even be wrong, but you do a terrible job at convincing someone. What do I have to prove? You want me to prove what I THINK happens? Ill show you a failed hog attack? If you want to convince anyone otherwise, saying over and over again that something is a fact and then leaving it up to the other person to actually find evidence is just a childish way to have a conversation imo. Thus this is pointless and I have not been convinced of anything. You have a really snobbish attitude about this game and its annoying.

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Why do you want him to show you proof when he basically is saying that the proof he is going to show you is in the form of youtube vids.

Instead of asking for days for him to show you, you could have done a 10 sec search and found the proof yourself.

Or better yet, try it. It is true btw, many of the latest 3 star strats we've been encountering in wars vs th9/th10s include 12-15 hogs mixed in with other troops. I've been having more success against other th10s with hogowiwi for example than with gowipe or gowiwi.

Strange that people still complain about hogs being useless... My level 4 hogs 3 start most of the TH9's I attack in war.

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Originally Posted by Lloopy14

It still is possible to 3 star TH9s em with hogs.

When I don't its because I've screwed up somewhere.

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This. However, it's not just a mass hog attack. It's usually a GoHo, or Holo. The skull traps aren't nearly as bad as a high level queen, good double giant bomb placement on the defender's part, or the xmas updated building hitpoints.

I don't empathize with anyone complaining about not being able to drop a load of troops and just sit back and watch.

Not really impossible, but harder. I seen clan mate 3 star maxed th9 with pure hogs and even from enemies side. Right now holowiwi ballog or hogowiwi are surfacing more and more and can 3 star more often than pure hog attacks .

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Originally Posted by Simulacra

I just wanna say, you might not even be wrong, but you do a terrible job at convincing someone. What do I have to prove? You want me to prove what I THINK happens? Ill show you a failed hog attack? If you want to convince anyone otherwise, saying over and over again that something is a fact and then leaving it up to the other person to actually find evidence is just a childish way to have a conversation imo. Thus this is pointless and I have not been convinced of anything. You have a really snobbish attitude about this game and its annoying.

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Wasn't trying to sound snobbish. I just didnt feel like making a detailed post about how the hogging and said you should try youtube to find evidence.

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Originally Posted by Mooseramprof

Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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Natural Selection my friend. The strong adapt and survive, the weak die. Adapt your strategy.

Other 3 stars High level TH9 with Hogowiwi . Gowiwi itself killed the core . Have 5 hogs in the back is a guarantee 3 stars.
http://youtu.be/pWL4ZHYcBNM

Hogs are great when combined with other troops.

WHERES THE EASY BUTTON!?!?!? I should be able to mindlessly get 3 stars 100% of the time with zero effort!!!!!1

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Originally Posted by kennyAD

Other 3 stars High level TH9 with Hogowiwi . Gowiwi itself killed the core . Have 5 hogs in the back is a guarantee 3 stars.
http://youtu.be/pWL4ZHYcBNM

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Try this one

http://youtu.be/a-EPEr7pvyo

Hogs are not nerfed at all. Attackers just don't have the luxury of dropping 40 hogs and healing through double giant bombs.

Instead, you have to take the time to scout a base and identify double giant bombs and determine!a composition that

A) Lures clan castle
B) Breaks hog ring
C) Destroys cheap defenses (loons outside of ad range)
D) Create a kill squad and cleanup crew to kill aq and clear junk at the end of the raid

Moreover, you actually have to identify strategies to trip double giant bombs OR understand hog pathing such that you trip then individually.

It requires real precision and planning to achieve a 3 star. Which is what it should require. ♥♥♥♥ the old hog rush. Anybody could do that.

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Originally Posted by epictetus

Hogs are not nerfed at all. Attackers just don't have the luxury of dropping 40 hogs and healing through double giant bombs.

Instead, you have to take the time to scout a base and identify double giant bombs and determine!a composition that

A) Lures clan castle
B) Breaks hog ring
C) Destroys cheap defenses (loons outside of ad range)
D) Create a kill squad and cleanup crew to kill aq and clear junk at the end of the raid

Moreover, you actually have to identify strategies to trip double giant bombs OR understand hog pathing such that you trip then individually.

It requires real precision and planning to achieve a 3 star. Which is what it should require. ♥♥♥♥ the old hog rush. Anybody could do that.

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if i was smart i would have said this ^
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Then how come i still 3 star with em in cw? They take skill to use now ffs

"I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders"
This is exactly the reason why it was nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Mooseramprof

Prior to the update that introduced the skeleton traps I could 3 star just about any th9 with my maxed hog riders and heal spells in a war. Now with skeleton traps I fail to even 2 star a meager th9 every time. They have rendered hog rider attacks completely useless at high levels and I feel like they should be altered in order to give hogs a little slack. Notice I didn't say nerf because it is a pretty cool trap it's just when your hogs are balls deep into the enemy base and those traps open up the hogs all disappear rather quickly and no other troops are close enough to dispel them. Positive and negative feedback encouraged:)

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Still useful. I've been having a lot of fun raiding with 4-6 of them - surprising how far they can get once all defense is locked on the giants, and they can help path the giants as well (if they're heading in the wrong direction, send in the hogs at their target). Course not everyone wants to burn DE raiding.

I do think they're overnerfed a little however. Perhaps SC should make them take up 4 spaces, so a hog squad fits better in a golem based army? Or would that risk bringing back mass hogs. I suppose a damage buff would do the same thing.

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Originally Posted by epictetus

Hogs are not nerfed at all. Attackers just don't have the luxury of dropping 40 hogs and healing through double giant bombs.

Instead, you have to take the time to scout a base and identify double giant bombs and determine!a composition that

A) Lures clan castle
B) Breaks hog ring
C) Destroys cheap defenses (loons outside of ad range)
D) Create a kill squad and cleanup crew to kill aq and clear junk at the end of the raid

Moreover, you actually have to identify strategies to trip double giant bombs OR understand hog pathing such that you trip then individually.

It requires real precision and planning to achieve a 3 star. Which is what it should require. ♥♥♥♥ the old hog rush. Anybody could do that.

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This.

Closed Topic.

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Originally Posted by epictetus

Hogs are not nerfed at all. Attackers just don't have the luxury of dropping 40 hogs and healing through double giant bombs.

Instead, you have to take the time to scout a base and identify double giant bombs and determine!a composition that

A) Lures clan castle
B) Breaks hog ring
C) Destroys cheap defenses (loons outside of ad range)
D) Create a kill squad and cleanup crew to kill aq and clear junk at the end of the raid

Moreover, you actually have to identify strategies to trip double giant bombs OR understand hog pathing such that you trip then individually.

It requires real precision and planning to achieve a 3 star. Which is what it should require. ♥♥♥♥ the old hog rush. Anybody could do that.

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Hogs have taken an absolute battering at TH10.

Hogs are still over powered. They are just absurd. They are super fast and go right for defenses ignoring walls. I still see hogs used all the time for 2-3 star easy raids.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Hogs have taken an absolute battering at TH10.

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Yes, it is definitively a TH9 strategy. I have seen 3 stars with hogs on TH10 bases that mistakenly place GBs on the outside of the base.

The GBs can single shot a max hog @ TH10 and the defensive units can be insurmountable for a lvl 5 hog. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a lvl 6 hog to make them relevant again @ TH10.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Hogs have taken an absolute battering at TH10.

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Primarily used in follow on attacks to achieve three stars, after cc composition and trap locations have been identified.