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What I found on the parents guide for clash of clans
OFFICIAL QUOTE:
"We respect our gamers, and we put all our might into making the most fun games for them to enjoy. We’ll never sacrifice game quality for any other short-term considerations."
Cough* Nerfing barch Cough*
Is Supercell a cash cow?
Have they sacrificed game quality?
Or have they done all the right things?
Pushed all the right buttons?
Would like to hear your opinions and any other thoughts you have on this,
You're not soposed to Barch from th1 to th10 it just happens its the most effective way at low trophies.
I'm not going to point the finger at supercell but barching is a joke now.
No that was just an example of what Supercell have done badly, and I never mentioned barching from th1-th10, and as far as I know it's not possible to barch at Th1. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Seikijin
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Every company dresses up their mission statement...... You realy expct them to state " We are in it for your money, and will do as much as we can to get it"?
Yes they get things wrong sometimes .......
But they must be doing a lot of things right, judging by how successfull they are .....
That's highly selective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummybearladb
Of course they want to make money - they are a company. However I do think that they have listened to people's suggestions. Saying that they have done everything right is not correct either. No company is perfect. There are plenty of things they could actually add.... opt out .....
However I still enjoy the game. I don't feel pressured to purchase gems to progress. Overall I'm happy.
It may come as a surprise to you, but they are a company seeking profits.
Keeping this in mind, they've been doing well. Keeping people interested for 2 years in a mobile game is a feat in itself. They make bad calls and if the backlash is bad enough they'll change it. They aren't going to abandon their money maker.
…Barch still works fine.:rolleyes:
Anyone remember Shadow Cities? Yeah. Yet another Game From Finland. Did not make it past the 2nd year. Did not make gazillions of dollars. Never had a TV ad. Fun game :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CeePee
Currently barching at 3500 cups with level 20 heros. Barching is not a joke, like hogs, it just takes more skill.
I guess u dont realize that these games r built to make money. So does Supercell too, but Supercell also provides amazing content and has made the game more interesting and better with every update. Aslo think about it u calling Supercell a cash cow bcos they, making money and they made it harder to barch not impossible, u want to use barch to maximize ur profit, wat does that make u ??
I agree. My troops are level 4 and I honestly dont know to barch. I mean I know to make 100 barbarian and 100 archers + CC but I dont know to 2 star th7 or 1 star th8 expect outside base. I know to reach 1 storage. But my friend (th9) always 2/3 star most th8/9 with level 6 barch/3 hogs and few wall brakers. He just enter in core of base and smash opponent but he have serious heroes. But he say that he barch from beggining. I mean he 3 star opponent in war with barch lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ssj9001
I dont have skills like some players. So I agree barch need skill. Bcs I barched collectors (before).
Says the guy with Quadloonion training in his camps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssj9001
SC is a business. It's primary goal is to make money - fact.
All businesses have a PR strategy. SC's PR strategy places at it's core that its game quality is of paramount importance above all other considerations - fact.
SC is no different to thousands of other companies in this regard.
No lies, no betrayal. Just economics and business.
It is however true that if a business makes a terrible product, its customers will not buy. So to a certain extent the PR line is accurate, but only so far as it fulfils the goal of making money.
This just shows you can't make everyone happy. It is impossible for Supercell to make a great gaming experience for everybody. If Supercell buffs Barch to level 7, there is that one guy who is angry at them for that.
Take hogs for example. Everybody was yelling "Nerf! Nerf! Nerf!", and Supercell complied. Hogs were nerfed with the Big Bomb damage multiplier. Then came threads crying "Hogz r useless! Buff! Buff Buff!"
By nerfing Barch, they aren't forcing you to buy gems in any way at all, so I disagree with the "cash cow" idea. You could say that nerfing Barch will indirectly affect the amount of loot you are looting, but that still does not force you to buy gems. I feel that Supercell is doing a great job with balancing money and players. There are plenty of games out their which give special troops, buildings, buffs to paying players only.
Barching is not dead I use brach all the time :cool:
Thanks guys for all your replies, nice seeing your opinions, I get the gist of it now: Supercell want to make a good game but only to the point where the cash keeps rolling in.
"We want to make money, so let's make a mediocre game that'll please a few people."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummybearladb
If that was their logic, Clash would be dead. In fact, it wouldn't have even gotten off the ground. It just be another game among the dozens of similar variations.
Lol bustedQuote:
Originally Posted by stretty
In response to the thread-
Supercell did in fact listen to many high level champ players who were complaining on those making it to 4k with a simple army. That being said, most of those players are gemmers who've spent thousands on their base and were upset it was being beat with a simple cheap army...
Im using loonion now because I raid once before work and once before bed but yesterday I did barch and it worked fine
Mindlessly spamming the first two troops you unlocked in the game over and over for an assured victory every time was not the way the game was meant to be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummybearladb
Encouraging the use of more diverse army compositions is improving the quality of the game.
People who "mindlessly spam" Barch lose.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
I've been mindlessly spamming them and farming the league bonuses in M3-M1 for 1-star and win 100% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelyoda
Supercell knows exactly what they're doing by targeting barch.
Yes, Supercell is making some bad choices in the way of updates, however they have gotten alot of things right in the game as well. If they didn't, do you think Clash of Clans would be the mobile game giant it is today? It has been the top grossing game for a long time, only once passed up by GoW: Fire Age, just to take the lead again.
However I do think that with as much money as they make, they could give us a little bit more in the game. I'm hoping, hoping, that Supercell is screwing with us the past few updates and getting ready for a huge new year update, but it's possible that they have ignored over 3/4 of the ideas posted on the forum the past few weeks/months. But in the end, only time will tell.
This guy has it figured out. This is just like any other update when something changes and everyone throws a tantrum about how they "nerfed" their favorite attack!! When in reality, if you changed a few things about how you did your raid you probably wouldn't have hardly any problems at all. Don't be lazy. Adapt. Complain less.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssj9001
Every since i learned barching it has helped tenfold, just need to become more skilled at it guys
3/4 of the ideas posted are ruled out or are bad ideas.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefNero
Yet you agree with the OP in saying that SC nerfed Barch?Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
It's rather obvious they nerfed it. That doesn't mean agreeing with the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelyoda
Seemed to be in agreement with OPQuote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
•"Obviously nerfed"
•yet guy claims to be barching in Masters without fail
•I myself am having no problem with barch
Something's not adding up.
I said SC is trying to encourage the use of more diverse army compositions. It's blatantly obvious what their intention was in adding a fourth mortar, doubling the AT rate of fire, and increasing HP on perimeter buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelyoda
Just because they've attempted to nerf barch in the last two updates doesn't mean they're finished, either.
Why else would they double the shot speed of the archer tower?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelyoda
This is common sense, honestly. Now whether or not the changes are causing you issues are a different matter. After all, if you have max level archers they need max level towers.
The OP is stating that this is some sort of crazy scheme to screw the players. That's the part that isn't being agreed with.
It's kind of the sad tale of the day. Two years ago, apps were meant to be fun little Indy games which, sure, had a few IAP's but nothing outrageous or required to play. However, as the years go by, those Indy games have been bought out and turned into cash cows with ridiculous cash grubs and IAP's. Looking at you, Angry Birds and Plants Vs Zombies.
Clash is by no means the worst, in terms of blatantness, at least, but SuperCell is definitely manipulating the game mechanics to generate cash. Nothing wrong with that in premise, but, in this case, it has come at the cost of sustainable and enjoyable gameplay at higher levels.
The very fact that app games have "higher levels of gameplay" sort of totally negates your original premise. IF you yearn for a simpler game, go play one. If you enjoy the higher level complexities and challenges of CoC or its clones, play them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordAmbreon
I don't think you quite got what they were saying here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
They don't want the game to be simpler, they want the revenue model to be different.
I was responding to the "apps used to be fun little indy games" part that I quoted above. Still plenty of those fun little games left, most are free too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
It's about business which all lies. Just play it or quit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummybearladb
If it requires skill, then people start to complain. So so sad!Quote:
Originally Posted by ssj9001
They still were referring to the revenue model, not the complexity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
What does "nerfing barch" have to Do with game quality?
1) barch wasn't nerfed you just need to get better with it
2) with this "nerf" and the update I think the quality of this game has been increased greatly.
When I take long breaks, like right now for instance, i train 2 star armies. I don't know if you knew but that gets more trophiesQuote:
Originally Posted by stretty
Brutally trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Michaelyoda
How is barch a joke?
With the introduction of Level 7 archers and barbarians, it's become a whole lot better.
I sometimes barch in masters and it works perfectly fine. Not to mention it has nothing to do with supercell destroying the game or whatever.
I am a long-term barch user, and I don't see any difference with the old barch and the barch I do now. Just because the 4th mortar came out doesn't mean barch has been nerfed... It just simply means defense is now a little better. Plus, I would like them to nerf barch, because for me I two star most bases that are one town hall below me. I always 1-2 star town hall 8's too. But of course, when I'm attacked with barch I always win, just because I'm that cool :rolleyes:.
Barch was nerfed?
If barch is the only seriously profitable army, it's fine that they are trying to introduce balance and encourage a range of attacks on a range of target types. That increases the fun over "scraping" loot from collectors on targets that several other players have already trawled. (ie too many players looking for the same type of targets with the same army composition is in part responsible for the ♥♥♥♥ loot).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummybearladb
Notes:
* barch level 7 only just gotted added to the barcher arsenal at level 10
* Archer towers will still loose more arrows at a target than is necessary to kill it
* Barch still works fine as an army strategy, albeit with marginally more skill required to get the stores. Which means more tweaking of army composition and better balance all round. (And that makes life all a little harder for the fluffy bunnies, which keeps more of the big lotto loot wins for us).
Aside from war, I've been using barch/BAM, almost exclusively, since the update. Some people just like to complain.
Even if supercell is being dishonest about something?, still at a loss what that is.. But let's assume that were true. It's still balanced for all players.. the game is what it is and I live to play this little tablet game.
Has it occurred to you that maybe you just don't like clash or clans?
u am a max th8 and i use barch.. i use to be able to 3 star max th7s.. now i can only 1 star them
Bro im sorry but if you can only 1 star someone who is a town hall below you...you are def doing something wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric87