REFORM Elixir for Walls System

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Originally Posted by rakisb4u

This game is going downhill. Only ment for players who spend money on it.

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Are you seriously just going round trolling rubbish on this subject. If you are that bothered that the game in your opinion has gone downhill then download candy crush or something and leave.

PS leave your storage's and collectors outside on your way out of the door

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Originally Posted by Gama321

If youre still looking for the flaws:

You assume that the change was due to th8s not having enough elixir, but you haven't considered that maybe th8s simply don't need it (If you compare the resources needed to th9 for example, its about 10x the cost for walls), also maybe th8s had been upgrading their walls too easily. The elixir walls were meant to balance the expensive walls at the higher ths, but skulls simply do not need to be balanced and were making the grind too easy at th8 and below.

Another thing you don't consider is that people can upgrade a wall and the do an elixir upgrade to spend the rest of their elixir, subverting this 'solution' altogether.

And to say it again, it would make upgrading walls too tedious for th9+, and also its a stupid gimmick that takes away from the simplicity of having resources and spending them on upgrades when you have enough.

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I can agree with that. There defiantly is no shortage of elixir at TH8 and the is less to spend it on. It just seemed like a good compromise for them people who claim walls will be "too hard" to upgrade now and "don't have anything to spend elixir on".

The new upgrade and change on elexer usage just painted a huge bullseye on TH 8 and 7's. I was afraid this change would result in increased raid from higher levels and it has come to pass. Why should a TH9 or 10 raid at their TH level where resources are scarce instead of dropping cups and hitting TH8's who now have fewer ways to use elixer? Before when everyone was effected by the same rules the field was rather level. Folks could farm and maintain their levels but now upper TH players are simply dropping down and reaping what can't be spent by a TH 8 pr lower.

Either make the rules the same for everyone or readjust the prices on wall upgrades for upper TH players. This change makes it pretty damn hard to build up resources for TH upgrade or to upgrade the characters because elixer is now scarce at higher levels only. Quite frankly it removes most incentive to upgrade the TH since it will be an uphill battle not only to fund the prices dedmanded but also the raiding of higher TH players on you while trying to do so. TH8's have just become a "cash cow" for TH9's who can't make raiding profitable at their own level. Didn't you developers bother to think what the results of installing a change like this would do before you did it?

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Originally Posted by Fearlessfreep

The new upgrade and change on elexer usage just painted a huge bullseye on TH 8 and 7's. I was afraid this change would result in increased raid from higher levels and it has come to pass. Why should a TH9 or 10 raid at their TH level where resources are scarce instead of dropping cups and hitting TH8's who now have fewer ways to use elixer? Before when everyone was effected by the same rules the field was rather level. Folks could farm and maintain their levels but now upper TH players are simply dropping down and reaping what can't be spent by a TH 8 pr lower.

Either make the rules the same for everyone or readjust the prices on wall upgrades for upper TH players. This change makes it pretty damn hard to build up resources for TH upgrade or to upgrade the characters because elixer is now scarce at higher levels only. Quite frankly it removes most incentive to upgrade the TH since it will be an uphill battle not only to fund the prices dedmanded but also the raiding of higher TH players on you while trying to do so. TH8's have just become a "cash cow" for TH9's who can't make raiding profitable at their own level. Didn't you developers bother to think what the results of installing a change like this would do before you did it?

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While I may only be speaking for myself I have not been a target at TH8. I just leave my TH outside my base and most people come and take trophies and they leave. Every once and a while I will get raided by a higher TH but so what I get a shield from it and it wont happen again for a while so I get plenty of time to recoup what was taken. They cant even come close to taking more than I can go get.

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Originally Posted by Drakeo1990

While I may only be speaking for myself I have not been a target at TH8. I just leave my TH outside my base and most people come and take trophies and they leave. Every once and a while I will get raided by a higher TH but so what I get a shield from it and it wont happen again for a while so I get plenty of time to recoup what was taken. They cant even come close to taking more than I can go get.

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The bold is my own emphasis. I think this, more than anything, is the real take-home point. If you're farming properly, someone could 3-star your base from two or three town hall levels lower, getting the maximum possible raid loot, and it shouldn't matter, because you farmed 2-3x that much before you logged off. What, it's okay to take, but not to be taken from???

And really, how often does THAT happen? How often do you get 3-starred by someone 2-3 TH levels below you? If your town hall is outside, what are the odds of getting 3-starred, let alone by a lower town hall? When my low-level account snipes a high level town hall sitting on 400k of each resource, I consider it a public service. I just gave him or her a free 12-hour shield to protect all that loot. I did him a favor. He needed to protect his loot, and I needed the trophies. He should be grateful that I came along, before some strong farmer came along and stole his loot, a farmer that might complain afterwards of having too much elixir. ;)


How is having excess elixir a problem? If you need it, spend it. If you don't need it, why should it bother you that it makes you a ripe target. And anyway, if you really don't need it, then why does it matter if someone takes it.

The only real issue is how long it takes to upgrade walls. Guess what, if they handed walls to everybody on a silver platter, what would separate the good players from the great players? The great players manage their resources, they take into account the relative value (usefulness) of gold versus elixir, and they build their bases in the best possible way. They grind if they have to. If need be, they upgrade to the next town hall level before all their walls are finished. For those who don't want to grind out their walls, guess what. You're not a bad human being if you don't have fully upgraded walls. It doesn't mean you're a failure in life. Deal with it.


TH10 is the end of the line. You're going to be there for a very long time. I've run the numbers, and TH7 is fairly balanced, so losing elixir walls is no big deal. (Unless you're one of those who intentionally skips lab upgrades of certain units to reduce war strength???). TH9 can do the upgrades. The main impact here is for TH8.

If an extra couple weeks at TH8 is the end of the world and is going to make you quit playing CoC, then how much patience do you think you're going to have for TH9, let alone TH10?


Maybe the solution is to release TH11 in the next update, including collector upgrades and more storage space?

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Originally Posted by hesto25

I think that you should be able to upgrade the wall if you have more than 1 mil elixir available.

Requiring elixir to go above 2 million makes the level 7/8 walls more expensive than level 9 walls in essence.
That is, I believe that resource value increases exponentially (ex. 2 million elixir is worth 10x 500k elixir)

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But it doesn't. B/c to use elixir to upgrade to a lvl 9 wall as a TH9 you would need to be holding 3.9M in your storage. This isn't "Force TH7/8s to hit the cap first but continue letting TH9/10s to dump their elixir totally unrestricted," this implementation would apply to all THs across the board. It just doesn't allow you to totally drain your elixir storage down to near empty levels, which is what was allowed before from TH7-10 and destroyed the economy. The only thing that has changed now is that they removed 2 of THs whose walls are no longer eligible, nothing has been fixed to resolve the problem this causes for those at TH9+ with lvl 8+ walls.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Im doing zaps which cost 4 mil, and I offer max at 4 mil. According to this I would need full storages just to upgrade one wall. Ridiculous

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How is this ridiculous? You can still use all the gold you want to upgrade your walls, as soon as you have enough to afford one, you are just not allowed to drain all the elixir from your storages directly into walls. 3 months ago this wouldn't even be plausible as an argument against it, as it simply didn't exist. You were stuck with whatever elixir levels you had. Introducing this without limitations had the biggest part in destroying this game's the economy overnight. It's the absolute endgame resource sink/achievement this game has to offer; how is requiring you to cap your storage with a resource that is now otherwise valueless to you before using it to upgrade ridiculous?

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Originally Posted by Gama321

You assume that the change was due to th8s not having enough elixir, but you haven't considered that maybe th8s simply don't need it (If you compare the resources needed to th9 for example, its about 10x the cost for walls), also maybe th8s had been upgrading their walls too easily. The elixir walls were meant to balance the expensive walls at the higher ths, but skulls simply do not need to be balanced and were making the grind too easy at th8 and below.

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The change (the initial one) was because all THs had no use for their elixir well before being "ready" for the next TH, don't pin this on TH7/8s just b/c this recent change removed it for those two levels. And TH9s and TH10s are now able to dump both resources out of the game too easily, which will continue to hurt TH10s in exactly the same way that allowing TH7-10s to do it broke the economy for TH9/10s, and hurt it for TH8s to a small extent.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Another thing you don't consider is that people can upgrade a wall and the do an elixir upgrade to spend the rest of their elixir, subverting this 'solution' altogether.

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I believe I mentioned that. This would mean that you truly aren't through with needing elixir, and is also just smart resource management. It's also only temporary, until you finish those upgrades, and it only applies when that elixir upgrade actually requires exactly 2.9M (TH9), or 4M (TH10), or 5M if you're a TH10 doing a lvl 10 wall, etc. The point is that what you're suggesting is strategic in that you're seizing an opportunity that will not always exist and you're planning out your elixir upgrades along with wall pieces. It's not just dumping every last million into walls which you can do repeatedly every single time a builder frees, which is what broke this economy in the first place.

And to this:

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Originally Posted by Gama321

And to say it again, it would make upgrading walls too tedious for th9+, and also its a stupid gimmick that takes away from the simplicity of having resources and spending them on upgrades when you have enough.

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Originally Posted by vinnyXo

or just keep it with gold, likes its been for all of clash. People were find with it until they added elixir and took it away.

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^ Then what he said. ^

Fine. Remove elixir for walls entirely. How tedious does doing walls become now? Allowing elixir for walls in the first place was a stupid gimmick that ended up having a very real, very detrimental effect on the game economy. Despite this thread's proposal, I'm actually in favor of either route. This implementation was so poorly thought out, which was validated with the economy and SC's backtrack (but they still failed to fix the root cause) of it with this recent update.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

How is having excess elixir a problem? If you need it, spend it. If you don't need it, why should it bother you that it makes you a ripe target. And anyway, if you really don't need it, then why does it matter if someone takes it.

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+1
My thoughts exactly. But the opposite is a very real problem. While TH7-10s having plenty of elixir to raid was never a problem (pre-update), not holding any--or an army-recoverable amount--in storages (post-update) completely crippled the economy.

That's why this would work for all lvls. When you finally get to that point, where you are done with your elixir upgrades, you don't need it anymore. Who cares if you need to be holding 5.9M in elixir to do a lvl 10 wall piece at TH9 or 7M to do one at TH10? You don't need it anymore. Why should you care that you can get hit for potentially the maximum in elixir? You're finished with it for necessary upgrades. Using it for walls is a bonus now, and not a vehicle designed to break the economy by dumping everything into them.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Fine. Remove elixir for walls entirely. How tedious does doing walls become now? Allowing elixir for walls in the first place was a stupid gimmick that ended up having a very real, very detrimental effect on the game economy. Despite this thread's proposal, I'm actually in favor of either route. This implementation was so poorly thought out, which was validated with the economy and SC's backtrack (but they still failed to fix the root cause) of it with this recent update.

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Walls are 8 Million for each single wall just for 3 levels (9,10,11) that's 250*8= 2 Billion Resources, and you are refusing the option to upgrade them with elixir?

you must be a very hardcore player

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Originally Posted by vincentboy

Walls are 8 Million for each single wall just for 3 levels (9,10,11) that's 250*8= 2 Billion Resources, and you are refusing the option to upgrade them with elixir?

you must be a very hardcore player

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Holy Christ, SUPERCELL REFUSED PLAYERS THIS! Please do not troll here by "picking and choosing" parts of my post while blatantly ignoring the overall picture, such as that this was completely reasonable 3 months ago. Your profile has been active since Oct '13, don't play stupid and assume I'm coming up with removing this entirely as something that wasn't totally in place prior to Sept '14.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Holy Christ, SUPERCELL REFUSED PLAYERS THIS! Please do not troll here by "picking and choosing" parts of my post while blatantly ignoring the overall picture, such as that this was completely reasonable 3 months ago. Your profile has been active since Oct '13, don't play stupid and assume I'm coming up with removing this entirely as something that wasn't totally in place prior to Sept '14.

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my forum account might be not so active, but my game account has always active since august last year.

I did upgrade my walls up to level 8 with gold only, and now you are complaining that you can't upgrade them with elixir?

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Originally Posted by vincentboy

Walls are 8 Million for each single wall just for 3 levels (9,10,11) that's 250*8= 2 Billion Resources, and you are refusing the option to upgrade them with elixir?

you must be a very hardcore player

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Please do not troll here by "picking and choosing" parts of my post while blatantly ignoring the overall picture, such as that this was completely reasonable 3 months ago. Your profile has been active since Oct '13, don't play stupid and assume I'm coming up with removing this entirely as something that wasn't totally in place prior to Sept '14.

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Originally Posted by vincentboy

my forum account might be not so active, but my game account has always active since august last year.

I did upgrade my walls up to level 8 with gold only, and now you are complaining that you can't upgrade them with elixir?

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Please do not be a complete and total idiot, unless you are trying to derail this thread purposefully? I'll clearly lay out my points and then I'm not arguing with you on this anymore.

I played before elixir for walls were a possibility. As did you. It wasn't a problem at all.
Elixir for walls got released, the economy broke overnight.
Supercell backtracked on their update, but only partially. They didn't address the root cause of the problem, they only limited the initial update to TH9/10s.

I created this thread as a solution that not only provides Supercell the ability to go back to allowing lvl 7-11 walls to be upgrades using elixir, but also eliminates the devastating economical effect it had on TH9/10s (which it still has post-update for TH10s, and to an lesser extent TH9s).

I am in favor of removing it entirely, for all levels. I am also in favor of having it in the game like it was before, but in a responsible way. That's why I bothered to post this thread in the first place, as a workable solution.