REFORM Elixir for Walls System

I haven't read anything except the title but why is everyone in this thread posting ridiculously long posts?
I can't be bothered to read it all..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sokitani

I haven't read anything except the title but why is everyone in this thread posting ridiculously long posts?
I can't be bothered to read it all..

---

Here is the solution.

Re-introduce elixir for walls for lvl 7+, but place a restriction on it. In order to use elixir for wall upgrades, you must maintain the minimum elixir levels in storages which provides the storage loot cap for raiders at their TH lvl, PLUS the amount for which the wall upgrade costs.

If you agree/disagree to the extent that you want to know why it should be done, then read the follow-up posts that explain the reasoning. The reason I'm not posting a two-liner with "BRIGN WALLS LVL 8 BACK I CAN'T USE ELIXIR" is b/c that is a terrible argument and Supercell actually used that logic in doing this in the first place, which had horrible ramifications.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Goobers

I'm kind of doubting your ability to farm 8M gold and elixir in a day as a TH10, this update didn't really fix anything regarding the loot problem TH10s are facing. But that's not the point I should be debating here, haha!

Thank you for finding a speed bump in this proposal, that's exactly what I wanted--others to point out what I might not be seeing!

So the issue you have with it is that under this format, you can only upgrade a wall with elixir once when upgrading to lvl 10 and 11 walls (3M and 4M, respectively), and you may still be working on building upgrades other than just heroes at this point, so that you have to time out your builders and this cuts their wall upgrading efficiency (with elixir) by half?

That's a fair counterpoint, but keep in mind that the situation of you having all your builders locked up while upgrading TH10 structures will only be for a couple months, while the grind for walls is exponentially longer. Soon you will be at the point where you have at least one free builder at all times, and then this problem is resolved. Also keep in mind that prior to this elixir for walls update, that resource became almost valueless to that player after the elixir upgrades finished. But the incorporation of this update in its current form had an even worse effect: destroying the economy for almost all TH9/10 players in the game.

What this would be is a compromise: one that doesn't render elixir totally wasted like before, but doesn't allow for the nightmare that we experienced for the past 3 months (and which TH10s are still going to continue experiencing, given the way this recent update was handled). Would this not be fair as a compromise? (I actually think it's a better solution than undoing the elixir for walls update entirely, which I am/was? also in favor of)

EDIT: To drive home what I'm saying regarding the ability to only upgrade one wall piece per builder cycle being a temporary problem, I should have used an example with the upgrade from lvl 8 to 9 walls.

Those upgrades are 1M each. If a TH9 was able to farm very efficiently as well, that person would only be able to do 5 wall pieces with each builder cycle (maintaining 2,916,666 in storages) instead of 7-8. But you can't appease everyone all the time, and soon that player will have all his/her structures completed minus maybe heroes, and at that point the player will be able to dump elixir into walls as quickly as he/she can farm it, so long as the minimum is maintained. But having a free builder available is only a short-term, temporary speed bump when you compare the cost that is needed for lvl 9,10,11 walls.

---

Why would i left my builder free when i can nonstop make them maxxing my base faster?
the idea is make as many wall per day and nonstop building until max

thats how u should play

and seriously elixir hard? Never had this problem when elix even on lv7 wall
i will agree to lv 1 with elix even
why bcoz i am simply farming that mean dead base with base case closed and dead base always have equal elix/gold
your problem maybe bcoz u thing core attack too much

i know sometimes find a dead base need 200k/300k gold but its a rare case mostly with just 50k under

note
i will agree with anything that not make my wall proggress slower

I think that you should be able to upgrade the wall if you have more than 1 mil elixir available.

Requiring elixir to go above 2 million makes the level 7/8 walls more expensive than level 9 walls in essence.
That is, I believe that resource value increases exponentially (ex. 2 million elixir is worth 10x 500k elixir)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AlvinSoehendryWijaya

Why would i left my builder free when i can nonstop make them maxxing my base faster?
the idea is make as many wall per day and nonstop building until max

thats how u should play

and seriously elixir hard? Never had this problem when elix even on lv7 wall
i will agree to lv 1 with elix even
why bcoz i am simply farming that mean dead base with base case closed and dead base always have equal elix/gold
your problem maybe bcoz u thing core attack too much

i know sometimes find a dead base need 200k/300k gold but its a rare case mostly with just 50k under

note
i will agree with anything that not make my wall proggress slower

---

I think this may be part of the problem. First off you can't really tell people how they should or should not play this game. There are many different styles and strategies none being wrong nor write its just how they want to play the game and have fun.

Second, yes most people want to level up fairly quickly and get better bases faster, but that's not how this game is built. The higher players (except for gemmers) are rewarded with their good defenses and troops because of the time and effort they put in the game.

TH 7 and 8 are already very easy. Implementing something into a game to make it easier and faster for you to get through a very short temporary part of the game to get to the more permanent stage of the game where what you implemented destroyed is crazy. I surely don't mind hanging at TH8 for a little bit longer if it means once i progress the game will be better and fun!

I think goobers idea is a great compromise. It helps out everyone without hurting anyone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drakeo1990

I think goobers idea is a great compromise. It helps out everyone without hurting anyone.

---

Im doing zaps which cost 4 mil, and I offer max at 4 mil. According to this I would need full storages just to upgrade one wall. Ridiculous

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gama321

Im doing zaps which cost 4 mil, and I offer max at 4 mil. According to this I would need full storages just to upgrade one wall. Ridiculous

---

yeah that would be ridiculous. Would need to be tweaked a little at the higher levels but the overall idea in general is a good idea.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drakeo1990

yeah that would be ridiculous. Would need to be tweaked a little at the higher levels but the overall idea in general is a good idea.

---

If youre still looking for the flaws:

You assume that the change was due to th8s not having enough elixir, but you haven't considered that maybe th8s simply don't need it (If you compare the resources needed to th9 for example, its about 10x the cost for walls), also maybe th8s had been upgrading their walls too easily. The elixir walls were meant to balance the expensive walls at the higher ths, but skulls simply do not need to be balanced and were making the grind too easy at th8 and below.

Another thing you don't consider is that people can upgrade a wall and the do an elixir upgrade to spend the rest of their elixir, subverting this 'solution' altogether.

And to say it again, it would make upgrading walls too tedious for th9+, and also its a stupid gimmick that takes away from the simplicity of having resources and spending them on upgrades when you have enough.

or just keep it with gold, likes its been for all of clash. People were find with it until they added elixir and took it away.

This game is going downhill. Only ment for players who spend money on it.