What's a 3 Star?

Hello Fellow Clashers,
Maybe you have grown interested or hungry to see what a 3 star looks like at townhall 10. I sure have. I consider myself a succesful Gowipe/ Gowiwi attacker. I frequent the 2 star victory on some of the toughest bases (pre recent update). In all my time as a 10 I have never been 3 starred and I have never 3 starred another. Let me clarify. I have 3 starred the rushed 10 or the 10 with no infernos. They are 9s in my book. But the developed 10 base with 2 infernos and a 3rd bow are in my experiences impossible to 3 star. Now maybe your a clash stud and you have managed this on a respectable 10 base. I bow to you and all your greatness. Let me get to my point.

The game has a balance issue. In any game you either have OP defenses or OP offenses. Supercell has flopped back and forth with various upgrades to compliment one side or the other to prevent one from over powering the other. Hogs were OP more big bombs and infernos. Infernos OP so freeze spell. Balloons obsolete because of infernos, flying golumns (hounds). I applaud the quick attention to obvious unbalance issues but I see a major issue that needs discussing.

It is RARE to 3 star a 10 if possible at all. Spending hundreds of thousands on resources, spells, heros, Etc to have the very best. And still not being able to get 3 stars takes the fun from the game. For me personally I simply stopped making those armies and would build a barch army and 5 lightning to get a 1 star, bonus loot and seek out the next guy. Even in war we simply barch the 10s and 3 star everyone else and we have a 20+ war win streak! BORING!!!!

This recent update has successfully eliminated consistent succesful barching with the higher rate of fire in archer towers and stronger cannons. What that means is that I am forced to buy the big army knowing 1 star is the best I'll do on a good day and getting 2 stars is a treat!!

If we spend the big bucks, max our armies, and go in with some of the strongest attacks in the game, a 3 star should be COMMON not RARE. My argument therefore states that I prefer a game where offense is stronger then defense. As it stands I can literally throw up a base with any layout including wrapping walls around the very outter space and piling the rest of my buildings in middle or drawing a picture incoherently and I won't get 3 starred.

For those 3000+ (been there) you must stay online nonstop for hours on end or buy a shield in order to not get 1 starred. You dedicate a day or so to staying up high. Boosting barracks heros spells to pump out quick armies to climb knowing you will in fact lose troohies when u log off. It's part of the game and part of the fun.

Having a balance where 3 stars are not only possible but more common will make the game challenging, force more play if you want to be higher, and will create more strategic layouts rather then seeing a 100 people with the same bases because we all know which ones guarantee the 1 star max.

As u said, its ur preference to play a game where u can 3 star, my opinion is opposite, bcos we spend so 80 to 85% of out time farming to get resources to make defense stronger, so i would would say, defense should be strong. I have done clan wars where i have 3 starred maxed bases with maxed walls when their layout have weaknesses. With the introduction of hounds 3 stars came back, again maxed bases. It is possible, all leader board wars depend on who can 3 star more wins. I do 3 star them , not regularly but have used hogs and lavaloonion to do so, even after winter update, but it is not easy to do so when trophy pushing, bcos then u dont have enough time time to plan.

Well, it's virtually impossible as a TH10 against those strategies to defend (assuming a competent attacker), only to keep a loss to 1 or maybe 2 stars. A bad base or underdeveloped TH10 can still be 3 starred... but I'm not sure what you're suggesting is an appropriate balance when you have a reasonably competent max th10 defender v reasonably competent max th10 attacker.

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Originally Posted by choczombie

Well, it's virtually impossible as a TH10 against those strategies to defend (assuming a competent attacker), only to keep a loss to 1 or maybe 2 stars. A bad base or underdeveloped TH10 can still be 3 starred... but I'm not sure what you're suggesting is an appropriate balance when you have a reasonably competent max th10 defender v reasonably competent max th10 attacker.

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I appreciate your response. I agree with you that it's impossible to not be 1 starred if the attacker is good (I have a base that in M2 is 26-4 for the record, cannot get to champ though, hit 3000 and no base is safe as attackers are better naturally, never 2 starred). I also agree above that we spend a lot of time farming to upgrade our defenses and we want them to work. But we also spend a ton of resources for just a few more attack points or health on our troops, only to max them out and still not gain any advantage. I have a towmhall 9 base with LVL 1 golumns lvl 1 Pekkas and Lvl 5 wizards. I gowipe with that and I get 1-2 stars on other 9s and I 3 8s. Now fast forward to my thall 10 with max troops. I still can't 3 a 9 base, let alone achieve more then 1 star on a 10 usually. If we buy the better troops, go through tedious farming to upgrade spells, then there should be a bigger margin of victory naturally because your using same attacks with now better troops.

Arrogantly and falsely it can be suggested I must be a mediocre attacker and without you seeing my stats your left with that thought possibly, but again I say I'm a skilled attacker and put up big numbers consistently, yet I cannot fathom being able to 3 star a base equal to or even worse then mine (thall 9)

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Originally Posted by Sneakyberg

Hello Fellow Clashers,
Maybe you have grown interested or hungry to see what a 3 star looks like at townhall 10. ......

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I am a max TH9..max th9 troops/spells, except heros - lvl 15 and walls 150 legos. I have not been 3 starred in war or regular in months. I am the top TH9 in my clan so I always get attacked by TH10 in war. I have been hit with max everything by players 130+. On the other hand, my base is anti-air, best lavaloonion is 52% 1 star and dragon 39%...both max. Gowiwi and Gowipe were pretty much a 2 star everytime, but still in the 50-60% range. With the update, I personally have lost 10-20% on my gowiwi gowipe ( i can 3 star 50% of the time on top th9 ). The last th10 that attacked me barely managed a 1 star 50% off a max gowipe. Ya the update has made it tougher, I have used a few govawi and givawi attacks....seems the wiz have lost their luster a little...I have had better luck using archers and minion with the combos with very successful results...better than gowipe/gowiwi. I feel like I am being pushed to use loons and valks. I have been trying new troop combo's all week trying to find any solution to the puzzle. But for all intents and purposes, gowiwi and gowipe are now nerfed....maybe they will give th9 lvl 4 pekka....see how that works. Maybe supercell is forcing us to try out new combos....valks are devastating when used properly..like a wiz with 6 times the hit points. As far as TH10's, hit and miss for me, some I can 3 star others I fail....mostly in between. But I use to 95% of the time 1 star any max th10.....now, I am hesitating with the update until I can figure the troop combo puzzle out.....valks seem to be the answer....I am still in testing phase.

Current army tries: GoVaRch 1 Golem(or 6 giants), 20 valks, 30 archers, CC golem(or 6 giants) 2 rage 2 jump; 1 Golem ( or giants), 16 valks, 30 archers, 16 wallys, 3 rage 1 jump, cc golem(or giants)

I tried using wiz...but with update...they just get flame sprayed.

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

I am a max TH9..max th9 troops/spells. I have been trying new troop combo's all week trying to find any solution to the puzzle. But for all intents and purposes, gowiwi and gowipe are now nerfed....maybe they will give th9 lvl 4 pekka....see how that works.

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I've been working on it --
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ady-please-%29
feel free to comment.

I don't necessarily agree w/ the premise of this thread though. Go on youtube and look up some strategies to 3-star th10's. It happens more than i wish it would. I personally believe that if you can easily 3-star a maxxed th10 just because supercell gives you higher leveled troops, what the hell have i been doing for the last year and a half upgrading my base so much? I'm pretty sure that if we've maxxed our base, we've definitely done enough to prevent you from getting a 3-star on us(w/ a decent design of course) - regardless of the outrageous troops you throw at us..

I'm not disagreeing with you that a maxed base should defend well against max troops im simply stating it should be more common. I guess it's based on experiences... I have never been 3 starred ever and im not even a max 10. I have never 3 starred a 10 that has all the 10 defenses and is upgraded well. I have been in the 3000 range and had serious attackers on me. I have defended giving up zero stars to maxed armies with two lvl 40 heros. It wouldn't upset me to get rolled by a max army and max heros, they put a lot of work into those armies and heros. For me watching that happen tells me I will not waste the time and energy to max out my heros. I simply don't need to. I can get my 1 star on my 10 equal in war or wait for a base I can barch. If there is no definite value to a solid 2 star maybe 3 victory with a maxed army there is no point to invest in troops. I am also not a gemmer. I don't spend them on boosts, quicker upgrades, Etc. So to someone with a budget on here for this game my argument wouldn't mean as much. I'm a hard playing hard working clasher that farms resources and I want the best value for my resources. Right now the only thing worth my time and money is my walls. They are a poorly factored into the algorythm for war matching and I can upgrade them without getting factored against higher opponents.i won't take my bows to 4 or my towers or cannons to their max because I don't have to. I'm already shutting down max heros and armies. That should not be possible! That's my argument

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Originally Posted by Sneakyberg

I'm not disagreeing with you that a maxed base should defend well against max troops im simply stating it should be more common. I guess it's based on experiences... I have never been 3 starred ever and im not even a max 10. I have never 3 starred a 10 that has all the 10 defenses and is upgraded well. I have been in the 3000 range and had serious attackers on me. I have defended giving up zero stars to maxed armies with two lvl 40 heros. It wouldn't upset me to get rolled by a max army and max heros, they put a lot of work into those armies and heros. For me watching that happen tells me I will not waste the time and energy to max out my heros. I simply don't need to. I can get my 1 star on my 10 equal in war or wait for a base I can barch. If there is no definite value to a solid 2 star maybe 3 victory with a maxed army there is no point to invest in troops. I am also not a gemmer. I don't spend them on boosts, quicker upgrades, Etc. So to someone with a budget on here for this game my argument wouldn't mean as much. I'm a hard playing hard working clasher that farms resources and I want the best value for my resources. Right now the only thing worth my time and money is my walls. They are a poorly factored into the algorythm for war matching and I can upgrade them without getting factored against higher opponents.i won't take my bows to 4 or my towers or cannons to their max because I don't have to. I'm already shutting down max heros and armies. That should not be possible! That's my argument

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I have 3 star a th 10 when i am a th8
i know he is a premie with inferno n xbow but still it just need nice luck and seeing base weakness
in my case i use all drags

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Originally Posted by TheRealchrism

I am a max TH9..max th9 troops/spells, except heros - lvl 15 and walls 150 legos. I have not been 3 starred in war or regular in months. I am the top TH9 in my clan so I always get attacked by TH10 in war. I have been hit with max everything by players 130+. On the other hand, my base is anti-air, best lavaloonion is 52% 1 star and dragon 39%...both max. Gowiwi and Gowipe were pretty much a 2 star everytime, but still in the 50-60% range. With the update, I personally have lost 10-20% on my gowiwi gowipe ( i can 3 star 50% of the time on top th9 ). The last th10 that attacked me barely managed a 1 star 50% off a max gowipe. Ya the update has made it tougher, I have used a few govawi and givawi attacks....seems the wiz have lost their luster a little...I have had better luck using archers and minion with the combos with very successful results...better than gowipe/gowiwi. I feel like I am being pushed to use loons and valks. I have been trying new troop combo's all week trying to find any solution to the puzzle. But for all intents and purposes, gowiwi and gowipe are now nerfed....maybe they will give th9 lvl 4 pekka....see how that works. Maybe supercell is forcing us to try out new combos....valks are devastating when used properly..like a wiz with 6 times the hit points. As far as TH10's, hit and miss for me, some I can 3 star others I fail....mostly in between. But I use to 95% of the time 1 star any max th10.....now, I am hesitating with the update until I can figure the troop combo puzzle out.....valks seem to be the answer....I am still in testing phase.

Current army tries: GoVaRch 1 Golem(or 6 giants), 20 valks, 30 archers, CC golem(or 6 giants) 2 rage 2 jump; 1 Golem ( or giants), 16 valks, 30 archers, 16 wallys, 3 rage 1 jump, cc golem(or giants)

I tried using wiz...but with update...they just get flame sprayed.

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Im no fan of witches but no matter how max you are in th9 witches are the way to go to a 3 star against th9 whatever layout it is

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Originally Posted by DiNatale

Im no fan of witches but no matter how max you are in th9 witches are the way to go to a 3 star against th9 whatever layout it is

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Since my post, I have been using GoVaRch as a test platform. (lvl4 golem, lvl6 archers, lvl 5 wally, lvl 4 valk)

1 golem, 16 valk, 16 wally, 30 archers, cc golem. 2 rage, 1 heal, 1 jump. amazingly enough, outstanding results. Yes it does depend on base design, but I have been 2 starring th10's....yes 3 xbows and 2 infernos...and they are active. ( looked for harder bases for the tests ) My answer to the nerf....trying it in war tomorrow.