New Defense: Building? Or Spell?

READ: When I thinking on this concept, I was originally thinking about defensive spells but when I was considering the concept of it I thought it could also be a building. I read the sticky but defensive spells isn't in the ruled out section. A lot of people seem to want them, so this was inspired by everyone.

This thread will have stats of both a defensive building and a Spell. So fair warning it will be quite a bit to read.

NEW DEFENSE BUILDING: Gravity Well

Ability: Troops within Range will become intensely weighted. Air Troops such as Healers, Minions, Dragons, Lavahounds, Lava pups, and Balloons will become ground targets and become vulnerable to all ground based defense buildings within range.
(Note: This could also be one of those defenses that slows down troops as well however a lot of people have requested such a defense. So for now, even though Gravity slowing down troops makes sense, this defense does the above ONLY)

Stats:
-Unlocked at= TH10
-Number Unlocked= 1
-Hit Points= 700
-Cost to build= 3,500,000 gold
-Build Time= 5 days
-Range= 11
-Size= 3x3
-Damage= None
-Appearance of effect from Gravity Well: A simple circle showing the area effected with intense downward moving lines indicating the immense force and Gravity in the area. The Color would be a light red from the center of the well that also glows this light red energy.

-Appearance:
http://angelhandsheal.co.uk/wp-conte...alice-Well.jpg
OR
http://cache.desktopnexus.com/thumbn...gthumbnail.jpg


Personally I feel the second one fits the game better but the first one looks the coolest. The name is afterall "Gravity Well"

Description: Some Wizards one day dug a well with their enchanted shovels, but instead of water they were dragged deep within the well itself... Never seen again. To this day, that very well still brings everything down to earth as if to pull it underground...

Details to note:
-It's Effect will only go away until the Gravity Well is destroyed. It has relatively low health(a little more than a maxed out mortar)
-It is also not upgradeable (unless needed when more TH lvls come of course. When that happens it's health will go up perhaps)
-When Air troops are grounded they become vulnerable to ground base defenses(mortars and cannons. Of course the defenses that target both air and ground will attack them also) as well as ground traps. However that means they are not attacked by air defenses and air based traps as well.
-Ground troops can target them while they are grounded within the area.

As for the spell, I wasn't sure if defensive spells were invisible until triggered or visible but I am going to treat it like a trap for now. I do expect spells to be placed almost anywhere on the map like normal spells. So I think it should have more of a limited range than the building concept.

New Defense Spell: Gravity Spell (less appealing name but all spells are simply named)

Ability: Air Troops within Area of Affect become grounded and become vulnerable to ground based defense buildings. Just like the ability for the building.

Stats:
-Unlocked at= TH10
-Cost to make= 30,000 elixir
-Time to make= 45 mins
-Range= 5 tiles
-Trigger radius= 3 tiles
-Duration of Effect upon being triggered= 5 seconds

when it gets upgraded the duration will get longer.

Lvl1=5 seconds
Lvl2=6
Lvl3=7

Upgrade Cost:
Lvl2=6,500,000 Elixir
Lvl3= 7,000,000 Elixir

Upgrade Time:
Lvl2= 7 days
Lvl3= 9 days

Appearance when in effect: A simple circle showing the area effected with intense downward moving lines indicating the immense force and Gravity in the area. The Color should be distinguishable from other spells if possible so a light red.

Details to note:
-to save the space this is the same as Gravity well's details.

The reason I would want this is to add different factor when attacking bases with air troops as well as attacking in general.

That about covers everything. Let me know what you think of the concept of the Gravity making air troops vulnerable to ground defenses. Give useful and constructive feedback please. Why do you love or hate the idea? Thank you for reading.

also if you would be so kind as to give feedback on the ideas in my signature as well. Just click on them and see what they are about. I would greatly appreciate that.

Would like some feedback please

When my air troop becomes a ground troop, can air targeting only defenses still shoot it?

I like the gravity well idea, but the defensive spell idea is just a no for me. Seems like it would be too op and it would be really expensive to maintain.

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Originally Posted by TobyHall2000

When my air troop becomes a ground troop, can air targeting only defenses still shoot it?

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I knew I was forgetting something to add to the details. Actually it would make sense for them to not be able to be targeted by the air defenses but mortars, cannons, and all other ground only defenses could target them as all as the defenses that target both could fire upon them. Actually I should also add that ground traps could hurt them as well but not air traps. Thanks for reminding me.

Does sound interesting but ground troops able to target them is to strong.

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Originally Posted by Mann23

Does sound interesting but ground troops able to target them is to strong.

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Is the concept overpowered? Because a lot of it depends on how you have your base set up. Plus the building has relatively low health and the spell has a high cost to make. I was trying build in trade offs and drawbacks. Anything you'd suggest or propose?

As far as the ground troops being able to target them that is supposed go with it. The building itself after all doesn't do damage or even slow them down. The whole point of the defense is to think before you attack. Keep in mind that you can use a Freeze spell on the building to disable it for the time being however the spell is different because you can't do that however the spell has a duration that goes away when triggered.

try to think about the strategies you'd have to use to counter the building and spell.

I like it but I think it would be more realistic if it was like a tower that threw chains at flying troops and puller them low enough for cannons etc to hit - but not changing the look of the troop. Idea?

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Originally Posted by KingFrogy

I like it but I think it would be more realistic if it was like a tower that threw chains at flying troops and puller them low enough for cannons etc to hit - but not changing the look of the troop. Idea?

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If you are looking for something more realistic I don't know why you are even playing this game. Wizards, minions, witches to name a few unrealistic things in this game.

But I did actually think about something similar when thinking on this. I was thinking about harpoons or nets that were shot out, and dragged the troop to the ground but it didn't make sense to me for it to have multiple targets. Though thinking about it more now, I can see a design in my mind how a harpoon gun would look to target multiple troops. Imagine a missile launcher but with harpoons instead that shot out multiple harpoons to drag multiple troops down but only a certain amount of troops so there would be a troop limit.

It's look like this but with harpoons sorta and wooden.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Launcher_3.jpg


Thats at an idea right there :) it does the same as the Gravity Well but with a troop limit of an X amount.

Need feedback please and thank you.

Ur awesome! One thing bout that building is taht it would be too op so suprcell would have to think up of a new troop that are in air there are already lava hounds but there will have to be something like gravity cats etc. u only have 10% chance for supercell to add this since it will take away balance from the game.

So something that weighs air troops to the ground and slows troops down. COOL!

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Originally Posted by BlahBlah161616

So something that weighs air troops to the ground and slows troops down. COOL!

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That's Gravity for ya.

So first of all i like both of these ideas first i will list a few suggestions
1) the tower should slow down ground troops while sucking air troops down with no speed de buff
2) the spell should be used when viewing a enemy attacking your base
3) the tower should have levels meaning the tower can pull healers at level 1 then healers and dragons at level 2 and then all air troops at level 3

now my questions
1) would a defense spell factory come with the defence spell?
2) how would this impact th 10 players (i really dont know)
3) the tower seems like it has a rather large range, is that just me?

thank you i like the idea!

clash on!

EDIT: considering this is gravity (not just weight) maybe the tower/spell could throw ground troops up to be targeted in the air

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Originally Posted by dubjeja

Ur awesome! One thing bout that building is taht it would be too op so suprcell would have to think up of a new troop that are in air there are already lava hounds but there will have to be something like gravity cats etc. u only have 10% chance for supercell to add this since it will take away balance from the game.

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you seem to forget that she/he is asking for ways to tweak this.

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Originally Posted by tobycharily1

So first of all i like both of these ideas first i will list a few suggestions
1) the tower should slow down ground troops while sucking air troops down with no speed de buff
2) the spell should be used when viewing a enemy attacking your base
3) the tower should have levels meaning the tower can pull healers at level 1 then healers and dragons at level 2 and then all air troops at level 3

now my questions
1) would a defense spell factory come with the defence spell?
2) how would this impact th 10 players (i really dont know)
3) the tower seems like it has a rather large range, is that just me?

thank you i like the idea!

clash on!

EDIT: considering this is gravity (not just weight) maybe the tower/spell could throw ground troops up to be targeted in the air

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1. I was thinking the same because after all, when gravity gets so intense you can expect to be moving slower. There woudnt be a speed debuff for air troops anyways. I may need to rethink how Balloons attack however. I was thinking perhaps they revert back to their wall breaker ways but I'm unsure
2. Do you mean live replays? I've been wondering if there would be ways to use that live replays as a way for you defend yourself if understood you right that is. I'm unsure.
3. That's something I had thought about but didn't add in because I didn't want to add too much because I was unsure of this idea anyways but I'll give it more though.

for your questions
1. The spell was thought of because I knew defense spells have been requested many times before and I always assumed it's come with the spell factory. That is particularly up in the air but personally I like the building better than the spell.
2. In what way?
3. It is has about as much range as a archer tower( archer tower has 10 range so the building has 1 more ). I figured since there was one of the building given to you it could use a bit of range but not as much as a mortar. I didn't want it to have too much range of course.

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Originally Posted by JibuRiRu

1. I was thinking the same because after all, when gravity gets so intense you can expect to be moving slower. There woudnt be a speed debuff for air troops anyways. I may need to rethink how Balloons attack however. I was thinking perhaps they revert back to their wall breaker ways but I'm unsure
2. Do you mean live replays? I've been wondering if there would be ways to use that live replays as a way for you defend yourself if understood you right that is. I'm unsure.
3. That's something I had thought about but didn't add in because I didn't want to add too much because I was unsure of this idea anyways but I'll give it more though.

for your questions
1. The spell was thought of because I knew defense spells have been requested many times before and I always assumed it's come with the spell factory. That is particularly up in the air but personally I like the building better than the spell.
2. In what way?
3. It is has about as much range as a archer tower( archer tower has 10 range so the building has 1 more ). I figured since there was one of the building given to you it could use a bit of range but not as much as a mortar. I didn't want it to have too much range of course.

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About the balloons turn them into a witches skelly witht same dps and hp as the balloons (op skellys)

and then th 10 kinda goes with range and balloons, given lavalloonian is a big stratedgy atm i think a huge range of a tower like that would completely destroy that kind of stratedgy

It really wouldn't make any sense visually. Most obvious is the balloon, which brings about some important questions. How does one 'drop' a bomb if he/she is already on the ground? How would SC reasonably represent a balloon 'dropping' a bomb to take out a wall?

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Originally Posted by tomatosarenice

It really wouldn't make any sense visually. Most obvious is the balloon, which brings about some important questions. How does one 'drop' a bomb if he/she is already on the ground? How would SC reasonably represent a balloon 'dropping' a bomb to take out a wall?

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Yup, and here I'm thinking maybe the balloon could start throwing bombs at walls lol.

I love the details and thought put into this thread but I'm not sure if it would be too op. im a bit confused on how the defensive spell would be used. Would it take up a certain area on the map like a defense or trap? Can an attacker see the spell before they drop troops?

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Originally Posted by tomatosarenice

It really wouldn't make any sense visually. Most obvious is the balloon, which brings about some important questions. How does one 'drop' a bomb if he/she is already on the ground? How would SC reasonably represent a balloon 'dropping' a bomb to take out a wall?

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Good point. I use loons almost every raid and I'm not sure how they would be used after this and how they would look.

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Originally Posted by Spurs978

I love the details and thought put into this thread but I'm not sure if it would be too op. im a bit confused on how the defensive spell would be used. Would it take up a certain area on the map like a defense or trap? Can an attacker see the spell before they drop troops?


Good point. I use loons almost every raid and I'm not sure how they would be used after this and how they would look.

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I get how this is most likely a major concern of yours but in the forums we make the ideas for superceall to expand on we dont make the entire implementation (assuming there is a implementation)

Voted no because:

I don't want more variables to consider when I'm planning my base, I prefer it like building Lego's and not a game of chess.

Reason number two, I'm bad enough at attacking as it is. If attacking would require more advanced skills than before, the part of the playerbase who want a more relaxing and straightforward experience might be put off the game.

If they did add more towers for example it would need to be done with great care. You really need to remember that a lot of the players are very bad at the game. Speaking for myself I would go so far as to say I suck at the attacking part of it but I still enjoy playing the game. I'm only saying it could be a fine line in my opinion, between being challenged to improve or giving up for some of the players.

Love the well hate the spell.

This spell could actually be used as a offensive spell as well. At TH 10 lava hound could be grounded and then still go after the air defences. Something completely weird and funny would be to make it a reversal thingy. So air becomes ground and ground becomes air...?