Why we NEED an opt in/out feature ASAP

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Originally Posted by Deadlyxda

What part of the above posts you read? Do you even read mate? Or just try to crack jokes? These half thought posts make.... Nvm

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I'm not gonna read 16 pages of thread that has a simple solution. Nobody cares about your lazy friends who cannot raid in war. If they do not like war and you like war one of you join a different clan that best fits you. It's pretty simple mate..

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Your inflexibility actually has me questioning how much you believe yourself anyhow, usually a person that is firmly entrenched in what they are saying is more willing to embrace the counter arguments, not just look at how to slap them down.

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What? I quoted you in my response several times, and made my objections to your assumptions as clear as possible. I'm not going to "embrace" your position, because I believe it to be incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Biz

If controlled by the Leader or Co I believe this would lesson the "stress" put on the clan.
Yes you can kick but a opt/in out gives better control to the leaders.
In reading Steve's post I understand that keeping a clan together is key here but clans are kicking members out now anyways. Would it not be better to keep them in the clan with that control?
I know our clan supports this feature.

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Yep, we need this feature.

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Originally Posted by JtB

Yep, we need this feature.

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My clan kicks those who cannot war and invites them back. It's simple a 1 button procedure if any

I belong to the clan "Ao Nagas", we r always at war. We have a fairly large clan, but sometimes ppl are busy and don't want to take part in wars.
For members who are going to be inactive we have established another clan "Ao Nagas Farm", where they can go and stay till the time they can be active and participate in wars.
For members who are active but upgrading spell factory or just plain don't want to war, we ask them to leave and join the clan after war search is over.

We also have two separate Whatsapp group, one for all members and the other only for leaders and co leaders for better communication on clan matters.
As you can see from our war records (93 wins, a few losses) we seem to be doing fine.
However, a button to simplify things by letting members to opt in or out of war is welcome.

Clash on!!!!

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Originally Posted by Bigfoot5759

I belong to the clan "Ao Nagas", we r always at war. We have a fairly large clan, but sometimes ppl are busy and don't want to take part in wars.
For members who are going to be inactive we have established another clan "Ao Nagas Farm", where they can go and stay till the time they can be active and participate in wars.
For members who are active but upgrading spell factory or just plain don't want to war, we ask them to leave and join the clan after war search is over.

We also have two separate Whatsapp group, one for all members and the other only for leaders and co leaders for better communication on clan matters.
As you can see from our war records (93 wins, a few losses) we seem to be doing fine.
However, a button to simplify things by letting members to opt in or out of war is welcome.

Clash on!!!!

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Yeah there are benefits and it would certainly be welcome. However there are far too many flaws with simply implementing it that have been brought up several times and without addressing them the game is better off without it.

Also just so you know, you only have to start search before inviting members back, you don't need to wait for the war to begin, as the matchmaking starts with the members currently in clan when you start searching :)

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

No its actually being sought as a tool to enable better clan management. That's why there are quite a few long term successful clan managers asking for it. The bad clan managers couldn't care less about managing their clans so they have no need.

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I agree with the feature, I just think it comes from a different stream of players - it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Yeah there are benefits and it would certainly be welcome. However there are far too many flaws with simply implementing it that have been brought up several times and without addressing them the game is better off without it.

Also just so you know, you only have to start search before inviting members back, you don't need to wait for the war to begin, as the matchmaking starts with the members currently in clan when you start searching :)

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If they stop the search every few minutes which many clans do then they need to wait until a match is found to allow members back in.

We have did the kick reinvite. It's a pain and is not an approved method by sc. It's used as a way to skew the system by many clans per their posting on forums here.

They opt members they feel are not up to war

they opt out members that are upgrading things like spell factory or heros. That's contrary to super steves message of all participating no matter what.

they opt out lower level th members because they don't want them in war.

the list goes on.

so exactly what problems will offering members the flexibility to choose whether they are able to do war at that time or not are you predicting that doesnt already occur rabidly? Read forums and you will see that there are so many threads looking for ways or suggesting ways to skew the system. We aren't asking to skew it. We want simple flexibility. These dire consequences you suggest I don't see.

if players that want to war are opted out they will leave and find a clan that will include them.

if players are forced into war do you really believe they will participate?

If a leader put "undue pressure" on a player do you really believe they will comply? I think they will press that little read button rather quickly. Same as they do when a leader forces them into war they aren't ready for.

all the theories and dire predictions of what could happen are just predictions of doom from those that really don't want any change. It's not a game changing event as they claim.

Of course what I've said in the past when these threads go on they degenerate into name calling and childish one upmanship. You can claim we haven't addressed the doomsday predictions from the opposition. It's not accurate. There are now well into 30 pages of banter back and forth that addresses them. I really don't feel the need to readdress what I have already well stated. If your not sure please read. I can't make you, but I can suggest it. However it is not up to us to determine how it gets implemented, so there really is no point to that. I may not agree with some ways implenting an opt feature is presented. My clan may actually never use it at this point, but it is still a much needed feature to the game.

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Originally Posted by Mobad

If they stop the search every few minutes which many clans do then they need to wait until a match is found to allow members back in.

We have did the kick reinvite. It's a pain and is not an approved method by sc. It's used as a way to skew the system by many clans per their posting on forums here.

They opt members they feel are not up to war

they opt out members that are upgrading things like spell factory or heros. That's contrary to super steves message of all participating no matter what.

they opt out lower level th members because they don't want them in war.

the list goes on.

so exactly what problems will offering members the flexibility to choose whether they are able to do war at that time or not are you predicting that doesnt already occur rabidly? Read forums and you will see that there are so many threads looking for ways or suggesting ways to skew the system. We aren't asking to skew it. We want simple flexibility. These dire consequences you suggest I don't see.

if players that want to war are opted out they will leave and find a clan that will include them.

if players are forced into war do you really believe they will participate?

If a leader put "undue pressure" on a player do you really believe they will comply? I think they will press that little read button rather quickly. Same as they do when a leader forces them into war they aren't ready for.

all the theories and dire predictions of what could happen are just predictions of doom from those that really don't want any change. It's not a game changing event as they claim.

Of course what I've said in the past when these threads go on they degenerate into name calling and childish one upmanship. You can claim we haven't addressed the doomsday predictions from the opposition. It's not accurate. There are now well into 30 pages of banter back and forth that addresses them. I really don't feel the need to readdress what I have already well stated. If your not sure please read. I can't make you, but I can suggest it. However it is not up to us to determine how it gets implemented, so there really is no point to that. I may not agree with some ways implenting an opt feature is presented. My clan may actually never use it at this point, but it is still a much needed feature to the game.

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This is like watching someone lobby for fracking hahahahaha!

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Originally Posted by Mobad

If they stop the search every few minutes which many clans do then they need to wait until a match is found to allow members back in.

We have did the kick reinvite. It's a pain and is not an approved method by sc. It's used as a way to skew the system by many clans per their posting on forums here.

They opt members they feel are not up to war

they opt out members that are upgrading things like spell factory or heros. That's contrary to super steves message of all participating no matter what.

they opt out lower level th members because they don't want them in war.

the list goes on.

so exactly what problems will offering members the flexibility to choose whether they are able to do war at that time or not are you predicting that doesnt already occur rabidly? Read forums and you will see that there are so many threads looking for ways or suggesting ways to skew the system. We aren't asking to skew it. We want simple flexibility. These dire consequences you suggest I don't see.

if players that want to war are opted out they will leave and find a clan that will include them.

if players are forced into war do you really believe they will participate?

If a leader put "undue pressure" on a player do you really believe they will comply? I think they will press that little read button rather quickly. Same as they do when a leader forces them into war they aren't ready for.

all the theories and dire predictions of what could happen are just predictions of doom from those that really don't want any change. It's not a game changing event as they claim.

Of course what I've said in the past when these threads go on they degenerate into name calling and childish one upmanship. You can claim we haven't addressed the doomsday predictions from the opposition. It's not accurate. There are now well into 30 pages of banter back and forth that addresses them. I really don't feel the need to readdress what I have already well stated. If your not sure please read. I can't make you, but I can suggest it. However it is not up to us to determine how it gets implemented, so there really is no point to that. I may not agree with some ways implenting an opt feature is presented. My clan may actually never use it at this point, but it is still a much needed feature to the game.

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I did read it and you are right there was a lot of meaningless banter, even more than the zapping threads. Arguments on both sides were particularly fallacious this time around. I suggest you read the other threads about this topic to see some of the other arguments. The fact remains that points about it encouraging warring without everyone was not addressed at all. Of course you can already do this by kick/reinvite but that's a short-term solution, opt-out would effectively split a lot of clans into two.

Of course, people do try to 'skew' the system to there benefit but without knowing the matchmaking formula this would be difficult anyway. Furthermore if people are doing something the devs do not like, I very much doubt they will turn around and encourage people exploiting the system and provide the facilities to do it as efficiently as possible.

There is no reason for there to be people sitting out of wars in the long-term, if they are they need to find another clan, if they're not you can just kick/reinvite. Rather than make it easier for people to sit they are trying to remove the disincentives of warring so more people don't mind warring, for example by increasing loot bonus and increasing % for the losers. I think that path is much more preferable than allowing people to op out. Other things they can do are reserve donations when people leave, make upgrading heroes available etc.