Mass dragons? Too overpowered!

So my clan has always won our clan wars. Mostly because we are often paired with clans who are not as active as us.

However, 2 days ago we were paired with an extremely active and high-leveled clan. They started with a strong lead with over 30 stars over us. In the end, we used all our attacks and still won by 3 stars.

From this war, I realized how overpowered the dragons are! I remember Chief Pat making a video about it, how the dragons used to be THE strategy for pushing, and Supercell nerfed them with the 4th Air deff. However, i observed in my clan with mostly th 8, the enemy can easily wreck our base with mass dragons. A Maxed out th8, 3 level 6 air defenses with all the air bombs still can't stop those raged up dragons.

So what are we supposed to do when the base layout no longer matters as it can't stop these dragons?


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I am a TH9, and i see my base defending well against dragons, hogs or gowipe. It's just sad seeing all my other clan mates bases being wrecked.

I'm not really asking for dragons to be nerfed, it's just nice to see other people attack with other strategies rather than dragons, that's all.

For the people saying that the solution is to upgrade to th9, I disagree 100%.

go to th9. The end.

Every troop is overpowered at a certain TH level. And you can never live without them.

It's the base, not the town hall. Most dragon attacks take two stars, sometimes one, but never three (up to lvl 3 drags, haven't tested against lvl 4).

The only TH that can complain about mass drag being OP is TH 7, TH 8 can fend it off just fine.

At Th8 and 7, dragons r very powerful and get 3 stars on other Th8 and 7's, especially against a good attacker. There is nothing much u can do here. It will get better as u upgrade to th9. 😊

If your layout is decent and you have level 6 ADs, then an army of level 3 drags shouldn't be able to 3 star your base. Let them get 2 stars with drags and then get 3 on their bases with level 4 hogs or gowipe

Yeah, dragons should always 3-star a TH7 or TH8 if you do it right, then at TH9 they become obsolete compared to the much better war strategies.

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Originally Posted by tomatosarenice

It's the base, not the town hall. Most dragon attacks take two stars, sometimes one, but never three (up to lvl 3 drags, haven't tested against lvl 4).

The only TH that can complain about mass drag being OP is TH 7, TH 8 can fend it off just fine.

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Check out this attack strategy for TH8 with Mass Drags. When executed properly, I've yet to see it not get 3* on any TH8. You'll probably retract that statement.

Of course, if you adhere to the "spray and pray" methodology. 1-2 stars is incredibly more likely.

CW Tactics -- TH8 -- 105 Dragoon Attack Style: http://youtu.be/UGvZXSRmhdQ

Dragons need to be nerfed hard. The only thing I'm seeing in clan wars against TH8s is dragons, and 3 stars.

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

Dragons need to be nerfed hard. The only thing I'm seeing in clan wars against TH8s is dragons, and 3 stars.

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Let's just nerf everything. No one is happy until they get what they want! How about this, Make a TH8 Anti-Dragon base and then watch the dragon attacks. Seriously, there are solutions to problems.

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

Dragons need to be nerfed hard. The only thing I'm seeing in clan wars against TH8s is dragons, and 3 stars.

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It already was nerfed with the 4th air defense at TH9. A TH8 that wants to defend against max dragons just needs to max out his base and level his town hall to 9.

Yep, mass drags is the army of choice vs max th8s

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Originally Posted by GeneSplice

Yep, mass drags is the army of choice vs max th8s

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Yeah, agreed. In my clan its made mandatory to use one of two army compositions in war. One of them being mass drags. It works a treat. :cool:

Dragons need another lvl not nerfed. Sure they can 🌟🌟🌟 a th7 or 8 but they need other strats involved higher.

If they nerf dragons, he will probably complain about gowipe and hogs getting him for 3 stars.. then we need to nerf that also. rinse and repeat until all strategies become 1 star strategies.

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Originally Posted by TheKolinator

Let's just nerf everything. No one is happy until they get what they want! How about this, Make a TH8 Anti-Dragon base and then watch the dragon attacks. Seriously, there are solutions to problems.

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Did that long ago bud. Any other suggestions?

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Originally Posted by erethizon

It already was nerfed with the 4th air defense at TH9. A TH8 that wants to defend against max dragons just needs to max out his base and level his town hall to 9.

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That doesn't fix the TH8 problem..

You just need good air defense placement and protect them with storages.

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Originally Posted by xQQx

If they nerf dragons, he will probably complain about gowipe and hogs getting him for 3 stars.. then we need to nerf that also. rinse and repeat until all strategies become 1 star strategies.

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Against GoWiPe one can max their teslas and walls and use their heroes and cc to path the pekkas away while the teslas take them out. The attacker will not be able to plan where the teslas are ahead if you don't make them obvious. Against hogs one can simply add double giant bombs to any base. Against dragons it's already been established that dragonloon will eat through any AD placement so it's 3 stars most of the time.

Y'all need to stop exaggerating..

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

That doesn't fix the TH8 problem..

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Theres no problem, every th level can be crushed with the right troops.

Drags are certainly not op since they only kinda sorta work against th8, which is still a weak th even when maxed. Th9/th10 defends very well vs drags.

They are one of the troops in need of a new level actually. Expect it soonish too.

1)Go to th9
2) Buy gems and gem all the way to th9

The solutions are there. If you want to be a camper and stay in th8 for ,20 years, thats not our fault.

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

That doesn't fix the TH8 problem..

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TH8 (like all TH levels before 10) is a temporary state. You are not supposed to be able to sit at any town hall level defending with impunity. At every town hall level, one of the things that gets people raiding is the desire to quickly max their bases so they can upgrade to the next level and stop being crushed by the armies that are destroying them at their current town hall level. TH8's that want to defend against dragons need to get raiding and max their bases so they can upgrade to TH9.

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Originally Posted by GeneSplice

Theres no problem, every th level can be crushed with the right troops.

Drags are certainly not op since they only kinda sorta work against th8, which is still a weak th even when maxed. Th9/th10 defends very well vs drags.

They are one of the troops in need of a new level actually. Expect it soonish too.

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If I'm a TH7 and I get to unlock dragons, I should still be able to defend against them. It's called balance

And the TH9 and TH10 stuff is for a different thread

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

If I'm a TH7 and I get to unlock dragons, I should still be able to defend against them. It's called balance

And the TH9 and TH10 stuff is for a different thread

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I guess you are maxing your th8 and quitting then...

Its like ppl forget every th before th10 is temporary.

Ill put it this way...

Every single troop in the game can eventually crush th7/th8s. By your logic every troop is op.

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Originally Posted by erethizon

TH8 (like all TH levels before 10) is a temporary state. You are not supposed to be able to sit at any town hall level defending with impunity. At every town hall level, one of the things that gets people raiding is the desire to quickly max their bases so they can upgrade to the next level and stop being crushed by the armies that are destroying them at their current town hall level. TH8's that want to defend against dragons need to get raiding and max their bases so they can upgrade to TH9.

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Originally Posted by GeneSplice

I guess you are maxing your th8 and quitting then...

Its like ppl forget every th before th10 is temporary.

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Umm, so keeping imbalanced things before TH10 is okay? What about the rest of the game?

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

If I'm a TH7 and I get to unlock dragons, I should still be able to defend against them. It's called balance

And the TH9 and TH10 stuff is for a different thread

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What about th5s and th6s defending against giant/healer? That dont work either

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

Umm, so keeping imbalanced things before TH10 is okay? What about the rest of the game?

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What?

I already said that every troop in the game can eventually flatten th7/th8s (and lower ths of course) just pointing out your logic is flawed.

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

Umm, so keeping imbalanced things before TH10 is okay? What about the rest of the game?

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Defense and offense naturally approach greater equilibrium as you progress through the game. This is why you get more low-levels complaining about OP offense, and more higher-level (TH9s) complaining about OP defense (Inferno Towers). The lower-levels complain about each other's offense being too strong, but this tapers off at TH9. You don't see many TH9s complaining about each other x-bows, but you do see them complaining about Infernos. The offense/defense becomes even more balanced at TH10 with the introduction of the freeze spell along with other offense upgrades to counter.

As a Th7 level 2 dragons have been beating up my base in every single war untill today..

My new design that i spent 1h30m+ on survived two mass drag attacks (Level 2 dragons) with x3 rage spell. (Two attacks 1 star)

I'm super excited for the next war .. if it keeps getting 1 stared i might have made the best anti drag base for th7s.

I don't think upgrading to TH9 is the right answer at all!

1. Rushed TH is never good, especially for the player who finds it more difficult to farm and max everything altogether

All I'm asking is is there really a base design good and clever enough to avoid a 3-star dragon raid?

I haven't gotten dragons yet, only healer, and I'm doing fine without them. I'm nearly maxed TH6, and I win most attacks because one: I snipe ;)
or two: I go for the abandoned bases with barch. I do think dragons may be a bit of a ♥♥♥♥♥ to always use, they have destroyed my base more than once.

Just deal with it. Use anti-dragon base or like everyone else is saying; go to TH9. Nuff said.

I have done and seen a lot of dragon attacks at TH 8. They are a powerful attack but not OP at TH 8. 2 stars vs 3 stars with TH 8 dragon attacks will usually depend on 4 things, the level of the dragons, how well they are used, the layout of the base, and how well the base defenses are upgraded. If you have level 3 dragons and just drop them all in one spot, you might only get one star on an anti-dragon base. If you break down a base with a poor dragon design, use your spells correctly depending on your strat, you could 3 star a max TH 8 with level 1 dragons. ADs are not the only defense that matters either, high level archer towers, wizard towers and teslas make a big difference. Most dragon attacks are designed to get to the ADs right away, often killing 4 to 6 dragons on the way in. It now depends on the strength of your remaining defenses to take down the remainder of the dragons.

Mass drags are a real pain to deal with until th9 but they do take over two hours to train and around 450k elixir to make as a th8. The main way to deal with them is to lure them away from the air defences using skeleton traps. Just have them in range of the main way you predict someone to attack an air defence from and then get them to lure the drags onto a storage. Having wizards from the cc attacking at the same time helps a lot and from this trap an average mass drag attacker completely failed and got 0 stars against a th8 in a clan war because the wizards and air defences destroyed them all. Drags are very dumb so will go to the nearest building and if you can get them onto high hp buildings like storages, the cc and cannons while the air defence is shooting then you can protect from all but the most skilled mass draggers.

You know you have a problem with yourself when you start criticizing attacks and relating it to "skills". How is me perfectly placing my rage spells on mass dragons to destroy your base not "skills". Lol, Complainers will complain.

A good base level along with maxing out all AD's and defenses that attack air would fix this. This is the reason that maxing out th's is vital to the game because if you're stupid and rush it then obviously you're going to get screwed because you didn't upgrade AD's and other defenses completely.

Mass dragons at th7 always 3 stars when executed reasonably well with 3 lightning spells.

Mass dragons at th8 usually 2 stars when executed reasonably well with 2 rage spells. However, with maxed air defenses and a good anti-dragon base, that will turn into a one star. A few wars ago, none of the town hall 8s could 2 star another anti-dragon base, even though we had lvl3 dragons and maxed rage spell. Good layouts at town hall 8 plus good air defenses keep the stars to a minimum

Mass dragons at th9 and 10 sucks from what I have seen from my clanmates and others

For those of you saying that you should not be able to 2 star enemy bases of the same level, offense will always be stronger than defense so there will be no undefeatable base. At town hall 10, GoWipe usually results in a 2 star, even on maxed out bases.

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Originally Posted by thekolinator

let's just nerf everything. No one is happy until they get what they want! How about this, make a th8 anti-dragon base and then watch the dragon attacks. Seriously, there are solutions to problems.

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yeah!!! We shold shoot em with a nerf gun!!!!!

There's no Anti Dragons for TH7/8 if the attacker knows how to use them

too much trick/strategies out there

even TH8 Maxed Out

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Originally Posted by xQQx

go to th9. The end.

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lol you didn't read the last line

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

Against GoWiPe one can max their teslas and walls and use their heroes and cc to path the pekkas away while the teslas take them out. The attacker will not be able to plan where the teslas are ahead if you don't make them obvious. Against hogs one can simply add double giant bombs to any base. Against dragons it's already been established that dragonloon will eat through any AD placement so it's 3 stars most of the time.

Y'all need to stop exaggerating..

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So what you are saying is, you should be able to make your th8 base three star proof no matter the attack lol. Wow.

all in all if you use all dragon it costs all lot of elixir that is their choice

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Originally Posted by TheKolinator

Let's just nerf everything. No one is happy until they get what they want! How about this, Make a TH8 Anti-Dragon base and then watch the dragon attacks. Seriously, there are solutions to problems.

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XD I feel that as long as they spend a ♥♥♥♥ ton on those dragons they should see some real work being done, would not be fun only getting 50% with all dragons, they should be feared lel

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Originally Posted by TheKolinator

Let's just nerf everything. No one is happy until they get what they want! How about this, Make a TH8 Anti-Dragon base and then watch the dragon attacks. Seriously, there are solutions to problems.

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Wait sorry, replied to wrong guy, ignore my post :P

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

Dragons need to be nerfed hard. The only thing I'm seeing in clan wars against TH8s is dragons, and 3 stars.

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The lv 3 dragon is a problem because it's too powerful for TH8.

The lv 3 dragon however is fine for TH9 and lv 4 dragon is fine for TH10.

That is where nerfing becomes difficult. If you nerf the lv 3 dragon it will be completely useless at TH9. And you can't just move the lv 3 dragon to TH9 as there will always be some TH8 who already have it unlocked.

How do you propose to balance it?

I don't think they are Overpowered - but they are a CRUTCH to uninspired players and something needs to change.


I've seen 10 L3 dragons 3 star my war base (maxed th8), and I've seen it 0/1 star - the devil is in the details once you've built your base up in such a way that its more an attacker's game than anything.


But compared to other army comps, it does require the least amount of skill - just drop and watch.


It really does get tiring to see 90% of the war attacks done by TH7-8s be all dragons - and there is some validity in using them if the players want to net a large profit in dark elixir.


What you should do is work harder to have your team always beat those mass dragon players. When they lose, they lose big. 300K elixir lost when your team loses..... so make these noobs hurt!!! I'm urging my teammates to put their air defenses further inside their base however possible as it increases the proclivity of these dumb attacks to star less.


I just don't think TH7s should have level 2 dragon available from square one, or TH8s level 3....would fix a great deal but it's too far gone to be "undone" anymore.


Air defense damage could potentially be buffed a small amount.....

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Originally Posted by YourBoyAce

Air defense damage could potentially be buffed a small amount.....

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That however would make them far too overpowered at high levels, unless you suggest the TH7 & TH8 lv air defences only got a small boost - that may work.

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Originally Posted by daz258

That however would make them far too overpowered at high levels, unless you suggest the TH7 & TH8 lv air defences only got a small boost - that may work.

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Thats exactly what I'm saying, cheers. TH9 gets an extra AD, and it is a valid "fix" to just jump to TH9 and stop these attacks, but its impractical.


And subtlety would have to do it - only a 10 dps boost which won't really change these war outcomes to any great amount, but will inspire other troop compositions to get more stars.

it is currently balanced. no need for a.d. and dragon changes.. a th 7 ofcourse can be easily 3 starred by lvl 3 mass dragon attacks that should be fine since they are Th7. while on th8, if you place your a.d, air bombs, and seeking airbomb wisely, you wont be 3 starred easily. I do know that for a fact because our clan is housing almost 20 th 8 bases. those who had lvl6 a.ds rarely get 3 starred. same goes to our enemy clan who has near maxed th8s, we rarely see our members 3 starring those bases.

you also should not forget that archer towers, wizard towers and lightning towers are part of the key in defending lvl3 mass dragon attacks.

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Originally Posted by camec10

Check out this attack strategy for TH8 with Mass Drags. When executed properly, I've yet to see it not get 3* on any TH8. You'll probably retract that statement.

Of course, if you adhere to the "spray and pray" methodology. 1-2 stars is incredibly more likely.

CW Tactics -- TH8 -- 105 Dragoon Attack Style: http://youtu.be/UGvZXSRmhdQ

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I love your vids but the only maxed TH 8s getting three starred in those videos are ones that have design flaws (like AD in core removed from point defenses so loons track to core) or are being 3 starred by TH 9 which of course should be pretty easy.:o

Dragons are best part of game. I have level 2 dragons and 3 star any max th7/8 base. But they cost a lot. 10x 30000 is 300 000 elixir. So my war profit is not so big even if defeat max th8.

So I start to attack townhall 9/10 and sometime 3 star even th9 (not max / stupid base) to get nice profit.

Btw as I am max th7 and play mostly wars I dont know any other way to 2-3 star maxxed th8.

And yes if we serious won war, second attack always on some bad th9/10 base. To earn something :D like 1500 de in 2 attacks

I myself think dragons are stupid, a max level gowiwi is much more effective on all th levels.

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Originally Posted by jobro

I myself think dragons are stupid, a max level gowiwi is much more effective on all th levels.

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right, bc u can gowiwi at th a8 and below right...

Dragons rule can wars TH 6-8.

Things change after that...drastically.

Mass Dragon attacks start to become obsolete. Not fully obsolete, but way less effective. A dragon attack has not 2 starred my war base in 6-8 months.

Im a TH 7 and I got wrecked today in the clan war with dragons. lol, but I dont really have a problem with them as long as its a th 7 vs. th 7;)





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Drags need a new level while being nerfed also at th 8 I'd say nerf lvl3 drag give lvl4 to th9's with a small nerf to fit and th10 get a new lvl5 drag to help them out

Centralize your AD and they won't be able to get 3 stars with mass drags (at least up to level 3). Period.

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Originally Posted by littlefish

I love your vids but the only maxed TH 8s getting three starred in those videos are ones that have design flaws (like AD in core removed from point defenses so loons track to core) or are being 3 starred by TH 9 which of course should be pretty easy.:o

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They aren't my Vids so I can't take credit for them. Also, the strategy is general and has to be adapted to certain layouts.

Here's the OP for this videos: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...hlight=Wryhorn

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Originally Posted by ClashCity

Centralize your AD and they won't be able to get 3 stars with mass drags (at least up to level 3). Period.

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This. If you're getting owned by mass dragons at TH8, you're probably doing something wrong. Place those air defenses correctly and dragons will fly all around them, getting picked off as they go. Most mass dragon attacks on my lvl 6 air def base are 1-2 stars, either because the drags get taken out by the air defense or they run out of time. Get a good base design and stop complaining. Dragons don't need to be nerfed, your defense needs to get better. That's not meant as an insult, just comes from my experience.

People that use dragons aren't noobs. That's pretty insulting. Using dragons isn't any different than using any other strategy. I think a lot of people here forget how easy it is to totally botch a dragon attack. I see it all the time, and that's with lvl 2 and 3 dragon attacks. Attacking with mass dragons takes skill. You have to plan, bring the right spells, and drop in the right places at the right time. Comparing people effectively and consistently using dragon attacks to noobs, or calling them uninspired, is condescending. If you prefer gowipe, right on, enjoy it and kick butt. No need to insult people that might enjoy another strategy.

I've seriously never been 3 starred by dragons since reaching townhall 8. Im currently townhall 9. But yea if you put all 3 air defenses in center youre gonna get wrecked, spread them out. You want a lot of buildings between air defenses (preferably gold and elixir storages because it takes dragons a second to take those down) and make sure you put traps by your air defenses for a little extra oomph. Its not that hard

TH7s have no chance vs a semi competent drag raider.

TH8s with max AD and a decent layout can withstand very many TH8 drag assaults you see in CW. The better raiders will still get you, but really that is not really a game problem. Two stars for decent drag, 3 stars for the better ones is pretty well balanced.

You gotta have a decent design though or you'll be wrecked by everyone.

With a good defensive layout, level 3 dragons cannot get 3 stars.

I do not see a problem that dragons are too powerfull against TH8, against TH7 they really are, but not against TH8.

I see a much bigger problem that dragons are absolutely useless against TH9 or TH10, you upgraded them a lot, but when you want to attack a TH9 or 10, the are useless, and do not spend elixir upgrading them to level 4, since it costs A LOT, and you get very few improvements

I think the dragon is the only unit which gets obsolete as you upgrade your TH, sadly. And the lava hound does not help at all.

Level 4 dragon should get a lot more powerfull in order to be am intelligent upgrade. I think that one will be my last upgrade in the game, if I ever get to do it.

cheers

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Originally Posted by stellzo

I don't think upgrading to TH9 is the right answer at all!

1. Rushed TH is never good, especially for the player who finds it more difficult to farm and max everything altogether

All I'm asking is is there really a base design good and clever enough to avoid a 3-star dragon raid?

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Centralaized AD and AT. But won't work all the time.

If you think mass drag can 3 star TH8 bases in CW almost alwyas, then use that strategy. Make it work for you.

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Originally Posted by ebatutay

Centralaized AD and AT. But won't work all the time.

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All air defenses in center is a BAD idea. Dont put all your eggs in one basket

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Originally Posted by stellzo

A Maxed out th8, 3 level 6 air defenses with all the air bombs still can't stop those raged up dragons.

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It must be a very poorly designed base.

1 tear drop thread after another... -_-