The fall of Clash of Clans

Loot is whatever, the time nexting is whatever, but imo, the "fall" of clash is on the gameplay of troop AI. Imo, there are several flaws that I *think Super Cell has purposely implemented to make the game more "challenging".

1. Wall breakers.... they really really do not want to go to the core. For a strategy game this is a HUGE issue and disappointment because they were not so bad not that long ago. When updates causes the game to play worse, I personally find that discouraging.

2. Killing heroes... for the most part, dropping troops near a hero will cause them to attack the hero. But again, to make the game more "challenging" archers, as an example, will kill a nearby building first. This is not a problem if it were not for a giant inconsistency; when the hero is out towards the end of it's range, nearby archers will stop killing a building to chase after the hero. So why is it that when archers are placed near a hero, even more inside the range will archers not attack the hero, but will attack the hero as it goes back towards it's home?

3. Circle the drain... Troops will go further outside around the base than straight into the core. That takes away from strategy or makes the game strategy be kill everything on the outside before going to the middle?? Idk, to me that is just poor game mechanics, you should be more easily able to cleave a path to the core of a base rather than basically being forced to work circling the base while the inner deffenses shred troops. And creating a path to attack used to be more possible.

I do think clash is a great game, but imo, it has lately been taking steps backwards that I find disappointing and discouraging and not fun at all. And YES, I do want the advantage to be on the offensive side. I want the troops that I have spent hours and days upgrading to do better and be smarter.

If your having problems in game, your not following the "maxing out rule". I'm th9, spent $$ on fifth builder and I have gold flowing like no one's business. 95% of problems can be dealt with when you learn to max out.

well... someone's butthurt. :rolleyes:

I'm doing just fine with loot. This game SHOULDN'T be easy, don't expect inactives everytime you raid!
don't like the game? don't play it. It's that simple!

i played since march this year.
It's a long read, but honestly do we even play the same game ?

It looks like you just want an easy game, you have no patience, you want to be top player, and you envy your friends that spend gems then maxed out their base.

You want things to be easy, if not, you will threaten (read : cry) that you will bring your army away, and they will fall.
well, it won't happen, not only in coc.

You need time to mature anyway,
Just quit the game, it's not necessary to embarrass yourself ...

Th8 complaining about loot??? End of the world is near :confused:

I have th8 too I did 9 skulls today and have found 5 dead bases so far so not sure what's wrong with you.??:rolleyes: quit and place your collectors in corner :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Suhoj33

Hello from Croatia. First at all, sry for bad english. Well I will say what I mean and my dead clan about this game.

Once before this game was so fun. Yes long before. What we have today?

- Supercell ruin loot system. They hide inactive accounts. Yes ! Hide ! If you find base with full collectors that not mean he is inactive. He maybe dont play few days.

- I test it. I have th7 and th8 account. I dont enter in th7 2 weeks and he disapear !! Only first 2 days attack. After I come back after 2 weeks my collectors are full !!!

- SuperCell only making money. Half th9/10 players have funny grab gold/elixir stats. They spend lot money. Even my clan mate spend 700 dollars for storages and max troops with th 10 lol

- 90% gamers complain bcs loot really sucks. Even on forum 70% people complain. You can see vote results.

- I spend half day on nexxing. Where is fun ? Do you like to look clouds ?

- last update WONT CHANGE ECONOMY. First we spend more than produce, only 1 your wall cost more than collectors make for 1 week. Lol.

- some people thinks here in forum how level 12 collectors will happy. It wont ! First 90% players dont have even level 8/9/10 collectors

- most stupid thing on forum! " people play more bcs make collectors" lol lol lol and lol.

- SuperCell try to kill barch and every fun. Yes now some forum members wikk say use other troops, change leagues, more nexting...
Come on. Are you blind ? Loot is 100x worse.

- I am happy that proved with second account that after 7+ days of inactivites nobody attack you anymore. Wow how smart from super cell. Less loot in game = more money.


- lot of people here play 2 years so why to complain? They are maxxed. They only need to spend lifes and lot of money on walls. Okay enjoy to raid for walls.

- We have here some people who just protect whatever Supercell do. They will say: Quit game and put storages in corner.

So if loot is good why you want storages in corner ? Come to center and get it. Btw you dont will see my account after 2 weeks. Yes, you are smart.

- Wow we got 1 tree and .... ? Layouts ?! Lol. Okay this is not so bad but nothing impressive.


- this game slowly die likr every game die after sometime. Can you remember before games like Mafia Wars/Farmville/Cityville and tons of others ?! They all fall.

- Now I need to say that I quit. Yes. I quit. Sorry dont want to spend half day on nexting,and even if I earn something I am crushed but th10 who have gold grab 40 000 000 and all maxxed heroes and units. Even he have already Giants 7 !! Lol. What a fun.

- wish you good luck customers and honest players who all day next next next next and dont do nothing.

Yes I complain. I loved this game before . Without loot this game lose any sense.

And yes I already seen tons of dead clans/accounts who dont play anymore. We haved local city clan. Believe me all my 12-13 friends quit this game before 1 months

Yes yes yes we can find storages after 200 next.

And all people know loot situation ! So spend loot so fast. Nobody save bcs spend 5 days to fill 1 storage. My friend and me played 10h per day to be sure. And we are sure.

Before some people who are forever optmist start to rude me, I dont will put storages on corner, no need to wish me luck outside game.


People complain WITH REASON. Yes with reason !

Math is so simple science sometime. Just calculate complain people. And lot but lot casual gamers who even dont know for this forum quit this game.

I dont call anyone to leave this. Nope. Wish you all luck. Help supercell to earn money and pls hit 10000x next. We all different use word - fun.

Thank you supercell.

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Lol. You shame us other croatian. Im crotain too and who cares. Loot is fixed with new update. Yes it was ♥♥♥♥ but you know what i stated in masters for loot bonus using loonians. Th8s cry too much yall got it good now. 2 de drills more loot when yall gonna attack ♥♥♥♥ th9s and also good loot on th7s... Walls upgrade was the problem. Yeah i almost stopped playing the game 1 month ago wanted a break. Tires of using gems on barrqck boosts to get more raid more loot. I dont barch. Barching is for losers lol. Goijg for colllecotrs. If you wanna barch go for storages its doable. If you th8 you should be in g2 or 1 even crystal 1 nowadays. Thing is you just suck at the game. Dont know yow to use your troops. Now dont complain. About me buying gems. I have never gemmed defences only gemmed my loons have all skulls walls and doing lvl9 im a maxed th9 with all maxed troops exfept valks lvl 11 heroes. I never had a problem with loot except last month. But its gone now.

Use better troops. Learn to raid. War. Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥ barching collector kurva.

Some croatian for your ♥♥♥. Pusi mi kurac. Nemoj igrati vise onda. Majmun jedan.

Grow some balls. Half of the croatian population doesnt strive for much they want everything easy. I know i got a business back home. Yall some lazy people. I guess your from dalmatia?? Im dalmatian and i know we are lazy...

Thank you supercell for fixing loot problem.

I ti nemoj igrati vise. Budi covjek

Ps. I mean crystal 3. Not crystal 1.

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Originally Posted by toolz

Lol. You shame us other croatian. Im crotain too and who cares. Loot is fixed with new update. Yes it was ♥♥♥♥ but you know what i stated in masters for loot bonus using loonians. Th8s cry too much yall got it good now. 2 de drills more loot when yall gonna attack ♥♥♥♥ th9s and also good loot on th7s... Walls upgrade was the problem. Yeah i almost stopped playing the game 1 month ago wanted a break. Tires of using gems on barrqck boosts to get more raid more loot. I dont barch. Barching is for losers lol. Goijg for colllecotrs. If you wanna barch go for storages its doable. If you th8 you should be in g2 or 1 even crystal 1 nowadays. Thing is you just suck at the game. Dont know yow to use your troops. Now dont complain. About me buying gems. I have never gemmed defences only gemmed my loons have all skulls walls and doing lvl9 im a maxed th9 with all maxed troops exfept valks lvl 11 heroes. I never had a problem with loot except last month. But its gone now.

Use better troops. Learn to raid. War. Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥ barching collector kurva.

Some croatian for your ♥♥♥. Pusi mi kurac. Nemoj igrati vise onda. Majmun jedan.

Grow some balls. Half of the croatian population doesnt strive for much they want everything easy. I know i got a business back home. Yall some lazy people. I guess your from dalmatia?? Im dalmatian and i know we are lazy...

Thank you supercell for fixing loot problem.

I ti nemoj igrati vise. Budi covjek

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That. That, was a major burn.

guys got a point. loot seems extremely bad since the collector upgrade. presumably it will improve in... 2 months, when all the lvl12s are done and have paid for themselves.

I have really enjoyed this game, but honestly as I've said before I pretty much can't wait to quit. The most clever thing supercell did was create teh social aspect to kind of pressure people into playing.

Once the level 12 collector upgrades are done, the loot situation will improve for the community immediately. I keep seeing that it will take ~2 months for the loot situation to improve, but that is incorrect.

It takes 58 days for the collector, individually, to pay for itself, for the OWNER.

However, after 5 days, the collector immediately becomes a more profitable target to raid, regardless of the level of inactivity the owner had before hand. This is an immediate improvement to the community.

Loot should start to improve somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 weeks, but will also be improved by the likely 1 gem boosts over Christmas.

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Originally Posted by bouges

Loot is whatever, the time nexting is whatever, but imo, the "fall" of clash is on the gameplay of troop AI. Imo, there are several flaws that I *think Super Cell has purposely implemented to make the game more "challenging".

1. Wall breakers.... they really really do not want to go to the core. For a strategy game this is a HUGE issue and disappointment because they were not so bad not that long ago. When updates causes the game to play worse, I personally find that discouraging.

2. Killing heroes... for the most part, dropping troops near a hero will cause them to attack the hero. But again, to make the game more "challenging" archers, as an example, will kill a nearby building first. This is not a problem if it were not for a giant inconsistency; when the hero is out towards the end of it's range, nearby archers will stop killing a building to chase after the hero. So why is it that when archers are placed near a hero, even more inside the range will archers not attack the hero, but will attack the hero as it goes back towards it's home?

3. Circle the drain... Troops will go further outside around the base than straight into the core. That takes away from strategy or makes the game strategy be kill everything on the outside before going to the middle?? Idk, to me that is just poor game mechanics, you should be more easily able to cleave a path to the core of a base rather than basically being forced to work circling the base while the inner deffenses shred troops. And creating a path to attack used to be more possible.

I do think clash is a great game, but imo, it has lately been taking steps backwards that I find disappointing and discouraging and not fun at all. And YES, I do want the advantage to be on the offensive side. I want the troops that I have spent hours and days upgrading to do better and be smarter.

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I have no problems getting the troops to go in the middle. You are bad at the game if you can't get the troops in the middle. If you are using dragons, you need to know how to clear the buildings that prevent your dragons from going into the middle. Then there is the CC, that will help you and drag the dragons to the middle. With GoWiWi/GoWiPe/GoWiWiPe it's very easy, because you should place 1/3 of your wizards behind your golems, for cleaning outside buildings, and then the rest of your army (rest of the wizards, witches, pekkas, CC and heroes).

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Originally Posted by Alex78

I have no problems getting the troops to go in the middle. You are bad at the game if you can't get the troops in the middle. If you are using dragons, you need to know how to clear the buildings that prevent your dragons from going into the middle. Then there is the CC, that will help you and drag the dragons to the middle. With GoWiWi/GoWiPe/GoWiWiPe it's very easy, because you should place 1/3 of your wizards behind your golems, for cleaning outside buildings, and then the rest of your army (rest of the wizards, witches, pekkas, CC and heroes).

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Yeah... with high end armies, no problems getting in the core. I'm talking more attempting to hit storages with BARCH. Wall breakers AI is a fail because they will not go into cores on bases with many compartments or hit the t-junctions very often. And then, supposing you do make a path to take out the core defenses to get storages, well, I have seen barbs and archers run halfway across screen to hit outside buildings rather than going into the closer core area... that type of game mechanics is suspect and imo needs to be improved as it takes away from using strategy when troops are THAT dumb. I often use heroes on these attempted attacks, and it is almost funny how "difficult" it is to get barbs or archers in to back up the heroes.

I'm sorry, but all I can say was that I enjoyed reading this. And I still somewhat agree with you though.