The GIANT Nerf to Army Camps....wtf

Why does this exist? Army camps were a strategic use of defense, now they are bloody worthless as building. You might as well reduce their size to a builders hut while youre at it.

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.

I suggest we all make a pledge to NOT PURCHASE A SINGLE GEM from SuperCell until they actually fix the mistakes they made. They want to screw us, lets screw them fiscally.

what mistakes? :rolleyes:
the update is perfect and is the best one yet imo

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Why does this exist? Army camps were a strategic use of defense, now they are bloody worthless as building. You might as well reduce their size to a builders hut while youre at it.

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.

I suggest we all make a pledge to NOT PURCHASE A SINGLE GEM from SuperCell until they actually fix the mistakes they made. They want to screw us, lets screw them fiscally.

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i just bought some gems. Wanted to let you know.

Lol if my cannon health was increased a bit more then I would accept 0hp AC

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Why does this exist? Army camps were a strategic use of defense, now they are bloody worthless as building. You might as well reduce their size to a builders hut while youre at it.

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.


I suggest we all make a pledge to NOT PURCHASE A SINGLE GEM from SuperCell until they actually fix the mistakes they made. They want to screw us, lets screw them fiscally.

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Perhaps you didn't notice that nearly every other garbage building received a huge health increase? I swear, some people just beg for a reason to complain, it's astounding

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Why does this exist? Army camps were a strategic use of defense, now they are bloody worthless as building. You might as well reduce their size to a builders hut while youre at it.

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.

I suggest we all make a pledge to NOT PURCHASE A SINGLE GEM from SuperCell until they actually fix the mistakes they made. They want to screw us, lets screw them fiscally.

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In the old days....Army camps and all that was in them were destroyed.(ALL YOUR TROOPS)

If army camps are hurting you...it's the same for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Teflonsean

In the old days....Army camps and all that was in them were destroyed.(ALL YOUR TROOPS)

If army camps are hurting you...it's the same for everyone else.

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80% of the bases i raid and even skip have failed to properly utilize their Army Camps. So, no it hurts some a lot more than others.

It actually made sense, I mean c'mon how much hit points do you expect a bon fire to have ? or a chicken or a bore

Same with the higher fire rate of the archer towers, there's three girls up there, now it more realistic

Just switch your camps with the new buildings that gained hit points

You're supposed to defend your base with defense buildings not army camps...

If you want to view it in that litoral/historical sense, your walls and defensive structures are akin to a Castle, while collectors AND camps are the surrounding town. Im pretty sure it would take a lot longer to actually destroy the encampments surrounding the castle, allowing the castle (defenses) to pick off the attackers. Made much more sense before.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Why does this exist? Army camps were a strategic use of defense, now they are bloody worthless as building. You might as well reduce their size to a builders hut while youre at it.

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.

I suggest we all make a pledge to NOT PURCHASE A SINGLE GEM from SuperCell until they actually fix the mistakes they made. They want to screw us, lets screw them fiscally.

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Bolded part is my save part, love how such a little move like this is associated with sc being "greedy". You think people are going to wait all the way till th9 to buy builders huts? Are you serious man? Im bought mine at th 6 to speed up growth and dealing with constant full storages...haven't heard of too many people buying them at th 9. But once they buy their builders they have spent the same amount of money as us th9s and 10s, though it obviously wont be as much as someone fending for the top spot in the world

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Why does this exist? Army camps were a strategic use of defense, now they are bloody worthless as building. You might as well reduce their size to a builders hut while youre at it.

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

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Army camps were a garbage building already.

They nerfed the elixir walls because it broke the economy. They also gave everyone TH8+ extra resources (collectors) and TH7-8s more DE (extra drill).

What's wrong with a company trying to make more money? That's how business works. If you don't like it, don't buy gems. SC won't give a care in the world--everyone else (who believe the update is great [which it was]) will more than pick up the slack.

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Originally Posted by BlameTruth

Bolded part is my save part, love how such a little move like this is associated with sc being "greedy". You think people are going to wait all the way till th9 to buy builders huts? Are you serious man? Im bought mine at th 6 to speed up growth and dealing with constant full storages...haven't heard of too many people buying them at th 9. But once they buy their builders they have spent the same amount of money as us th9s and 10s, though it obviously wont be as much as someone fending for the top spot in the world

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Im saying that before TH9 the gems purchased are used on builders. By TH8-9 that incentive to purchase gems for more builders is gone.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

80% of the bases i raid and even skip have failed to properly utilize their Army Camps. So, no it hurts some a lot more than others.

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So you verified...they mean nothing....

Hurts more than others??? I can agree with an easier raid based on some designs....but in the long run...they are outside...rarely in range of any defense...they were worthless before the nerf...still worthless now.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

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Stop trying to crystal ball people.
Elixir can only be used for skull walls and above because lower leveled walls is relatively cheap, therefore reducing the elixir availability in lower TH levels.
The same can't be said for lego walls and above because in terms of elixir and gold cost you only need around 100m elixir to max TH9, but you need over 1b for level 9 and 10 walls only.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

If you want to view it in that litoral/historical sense, your walls and defensive structures are akin to a Castle, while collectors AND camps are the surrounding town. Im pretty sure it would take a lot longer to actually destroy the encampments surrounding the castle, allowing the castle (defenses) to pick off the attackers. Made much more sense before.

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Again, if you consider your army camp (farms and villages surrounding your castle) as the most fundamental defense/tank structure to protect your own castle then in your "historical sense" you're going to lose every defense. Stop making fun of yourself.

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Originally Posted by Teflonsean

So you verified...they mean nothing....

Hurts more than others??? I can agree with an easier raid based on some designs....but in the long run...they are outside...rarely in range of any defense...they were worthless before the nerf...still worthless now.

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Proper placement of an army camp can prevent almost any attack from 3 starring a base in war. The size and hp when mixed with the in game pathing allowed for a huge war advantage.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Proper placement of an army camp can prevent almost any attack from 3 starring a base in war. The size and hp when mixed with the in game pathing allowed for a huge war advantage.

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Sorry this is not true....but hey if it works for you....kudos.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Proper placement of an army camp can prevent almost any attack from 3 starring a base in war. The size and hp when mixed with the in game pathing allowed for a huge war advantage.

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Show me an example of how a proper placement of an army camp can prevent me from gaining 3 stars from your base then.

Yea, how long do a swarm of barbs need to stop to kick over a camp fire and stromp it out? Would they even stop their stride? Lol, I always thought it was bizzare why army camps were the most annoying speed bump in a raid.

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Originally Posted by Soandsoandso

Your greed is starting to show. Nerf elixer use on TH8 and lower, why? Because at TH9 & 10 gems are only good for speeding up troop production. Pre-TH9, gems are going to be used for builder huts. StupidCells potential revenue is getting hurtby the stagnation in gem purchases at end teirs.

By pretty much abolishing one of the most fundamental defense/tank structures allows again for easier raiding. Again creating the drive for upper teirs to spend actual money.

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Since you keep posting this same thing on other people's threads, I will post my response to you here in your own thread.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they lost revenue because of the loot problem caused by you low-levels dumping so many resources into your low-level walls.

In fact, it may have actually been their incentive to see if more people would use gems on purchasing resources with gems if loot was super scarce.

However, if most people that use gems more regularly are like me, then the largest base of gem revenue comes from when loot is good enough that it's worth it to boost barracks, heroes, and spell factory and gem the upgrade times on upgrades when your builders are tied up or your lab is tied up so you can start the next upgrade. If buying resources was what most people spent the majority of their gems on, we wouldn't see so many wall farmers because everyone would be gemming up their walls. No, more gems are spent on finishing upgrade times than purchasing resources, and the fact that walls have zero build time is further testament to this.

Hopefully, they either figured out that the majority of their revenue does not come from the people that buy resources with gems - or they knew this all along, and saw that the elixir for walls at such low levels was a mistake and negatively affected this.

And as many people will be quick to remind you, this is a "free" game and you are free to stop playing if you're not satisfied with the updates. However, there are actually many paying customers, and Supercell is very smart to cater to us.

After all, happy paying customers and upset freeloaders are better than angry paying customers and happy freeloaders.

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Originally Posted by BooomBaby

Yea, how long do a swarm of barbs need to stop to kick over a camp fire and stromp it out? Would they even stop their stride? Lol, I always thought it was bizzare why army camps were the most annoying speed bump in a raid.

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Do you want them there not at all?

They might be a decent roadblock if the size wasn't so big...but because of the size...everyone is forced to place them outside...doesn't help...doesn't hurt. It is what it is...

Want a game changer?.... Make them the size of a TH....and maybe we can work with em.

I suppose a village needs to plan for an army camp to take up the larger 4x4 space because of all the troops that would huddle around it.

and here I thought they just take the HP from army camps and spread them around some other building like barracks and labs and other trashes..

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Originally Posted by Kevinstinks

i just bought some gems. Wanted to let you know.

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Hahaha. I gemmed all my collector upgrades.

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Originally Posted by Kevinstinks

i just bought some gems. Wanted to let you know.

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You wasted your money. Just wanted to let you know.

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Originally Posted by SharkyFinn

Hahaha. I gemmed all my collector upgrades.

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Send me some money pls.

Quoting the patch notes:

✔ Army camps have heavily decreased hitpoints - no more stubborn campfires!
✔ Cannons, Barracks, Laboratory, Spell Factory and Dark Elixir Drills have higher HP on almost all levels
✔ Hitpoint values have been adjusted slightly for many other buildings

Decreased HP: 4 Buildings
Increased HP: 5 / 6 (cannons), 4 Barracks, 1 Lab, 1 Spell Factory, 2/3 DE Drills. 4 Barracks, Lab and spell factory are the buildings you keep outside isn't it? The cannons and AT are point defenses that are your frontline of defenses which protect these buildings.

So, I don't understand your point OP. They balanced the HP and slightly buffed defenses. Good for all of us. Barch isn't that affected as you hear on the forums.

IDK why people rage against a game in which everything is free. There are not many MMO's that have no game changing items in the Cash shop. Would you like if the inferno's and X-Bows were sold for 5000 gems?

And this update actually implemented a lot of features we had asked for:

1) Increased DE
2) Increased resources
3) Saved bases
etc etc.

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Originally Posted by vekool

Quoting the patch notes:

✔ Army camps have heavily decreased hitpoints - no more stubborn campfires!
✔ Cannons, Barracks, Laboratory, Spell Factory and Dark Elixir Drills have higher HP on almost all levels
✔ Hitpoint values have been adjusted slightly for many other buildings

Decreased HP: 4 Buildings
Increased HP: 5 / 6 (cannons), 4 Barracks, 1 Lab, 1 Spell Factory, 2/3 DE Drills. 4 Barracks, Lab and spell factory are the buildings you keep outside isn't it? The cannons and AT are point defenses that are your frontline of defenses which protect these buildings.

So, I don't understand your point OP. They balanced the HP and slightly buffed defenses. Good for all of us. Barch isn't that affected as you hear on the forums.

IDK why people rage against a game in which everything is free. There are not many MMO's that have no game changing items in the Cash shop. Would you like if the inferno's and X-Bows were sold for 5000 gems?

And this update actually implemented a lot of features we had asked for:

1) Increased DE
2) Increased resources
3) Saved bases
etc etc.

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I honestly am thinking about jumping to TH7 for that sweet DE drill, but I am almost maxed anyway.
I love the saved base design. I think it is the best thing since the making if this game. Also, quick fact: Clash of Clans was released on my birthday.

Wow you are really quick to call greed. If anything I'm glad they reduced the HP, was a pain protecting a 4x4 building

And if I remember correctly in the beginning if one were to destroy an AC all the troops inside it would die. If that's no longer the case then there's no reason to keep the high HP.

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Originally Posted by vekool

Quoting the patch notes:

✔ Army camps have heavily decreased hitpoints - no more stubborn campfires!
✔ Cannons, Barracks, Laboratory, Spell Factory and Dark Elixir Drills have higher HP on almost all levels
✔ Hitpoint values have been adjusted slightly for many other buildings

Decreased HP: 4 Buildings
Increased HP: 5 / 6 (cannons), 4 Barracks, 1 Lab, 1 Spell Factory, 2/3 DE Drills. 4 Barracks, Lab and spell factory are the buildings you keep outside isn't it? The cannons and AT are point defenses that are your frontline of defenses which protect these buildings.

So, I don't understand your point OP. They balanced the HP and slightly buffed defenses. Good for all of us. Barch isn't that affected as you hear on the forums.

IDK why people rage against a game in which everything is free. There are not many MMO's that have no game changing items in the Cash shop. Would you like if the inferno's and X-Bows were sold for 5000 gems?

And this update actually implemented a lot of features we had asked for:

1) Increased DE
2) Increased resources
3) Saved bases
etc etc.

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By the while decreasing the HP of camps they gave higher HP on cannon, barracks, lab, so and drills. All that HP > AC nerf

The army camps weren't meant to tank, they were to keep troops and in battle, have four more buildings to destroy.

Stop whining kid, jesus.

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Originally Posted by hauw

You're supposed to defend your base with defense buildings not army camps...

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Lolol!!!!

So true!!