This need to be said.

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Originally Posted by kcresj

ok how much time you take to make those ballons? if you can do that 5 time faster? wouldnt be better? isnt that the point of barch? saving time?

and btw, we dont need SC to fix the loot problem, why? cuz if we get enough players to agree on 1 day just 1 day to put their TH out side, notrolling just leave them out side.. in master 1, with 8m deposits you only need to hit 43 bases to get ur deposits full, wait but will i lose 400 or so trophys? no you wont, why again? cuz if you get attacked 43 times, you could lose 430 trophys, but you can attack 43 time to win almost the same amount of trophys you lose. does this make sense?

and i know im right cuz SC have given of the means to do so...
how? sending the inactive to the back of the line, by given us loot bonus for wining, we players control the game more that we realize

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You know, all I have to do is sit back and get attacked once, then wait with my shield and break it and Attack for 300k/300k/ 1-3k and I can do this 40 plus times.

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Originally Posted by kcresj

Hi, if you are going to take the time to read this i thank you, if not well i thank you the same.

First, this isnt to hate on SC or players, this is my rant and my opinion.

Now, as obvius as it seams clash of clans is a game, what makes us all gamers (sort of) some of us are more hardcore than others, some like me, are quite old and we are gamers since the first console came out but we all have something in common we took pride in been strong in to have a reward for all the time we spend in the game, in knowing that our base will be skip far more than other, out of fear to lose against us.

Of course SC have a good point wanting us to do more complex raids, and army comp, for them is not just a game they make for fun this is theire job, but for most of us thats not really something we want, even if im the owner of the game, i shouldnt be able to tell players "you have to play this way" even so im ok with them not quite saying it just making it harder not to.

But youll see in order for us (players) to be able to "go crazy" and do an all wall-breakers raid, we need to be strong, strong enough to have the power to be stupid and not feeling the consequences of it, like "oh well i just lose 300k of elixir thats nothing n.n" (im not saying that thats the cost on an all wall-breakers raid btw) and in order to be that kind of strong we need to play smart and that means low cost raid, so we can get a profit for upgrades. I would think that all of you even the personal at SC can understand that is not the same doing 5 raid of barch than doing 5 "normal" raid, is not the same on time nor on cost.

I have been adm for private servers of games, like WoW, and let me tell you, players will always be crying babys at some point, but they all want a game that is fair, that if you are smart enough you can beat it (even in time) if you really are concerned about profits for you (For SC staff and owners) you could do the same as every other F2P game out there, you can let players customize their village for a price, you want a diferent back ground? heres a pack of backgrounds just for the low price of 10$, you want your queen archer to look better buy her stuff (only looks ok?) batterys are not included btw, i speak from exp, thats always a big seller and btw it always gonna be players that buy gems just to not wait, that will never ever gonna change.

But most players dont like to raid with big armys cuz they dont have the time or we dont think is the "smart" way of play...

cost of 240 lvl7 barbs? - 48k if you win in master 1 you get a profit of 92k plus whatever you were able to loot from the base.

cost of a full war mode army? ... im sure is not gonna be less that 50k

And with all these im not "aking" "crying" for you to change it, i just want it to vent my thoughts.


P.D. to the adm im sorry if this post broke some rule of the forum.

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You made it sound like SC killed Barch. They didn't. I barch in champion league and most of them have LV13 archer towers (that's the area most affected) and I still pull it off like before. Does it get trickier? Yes. Is it doable still? Hell yes. You just need to be more calculated. I think SC made the right choice making barch harder against maxed bases. You talk about pride, so I guess there is pride to be lost for people who spend their time upgrading their bases to maxed and then got smashed by a tier-1 army from TH9 as well. If you are smart enough, you can still pull it off. That, too, was your words. Give it time. Adapt a bit. I don't think Barch is dead. Far from it.

I'm sorry, but I can't really see the problem. I'm not sure what you're complaining about, but it seems to be something silly like not being able to do an all wall breaker raid without spending elixir... :confused:

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Originally Posted by biggolf

You made it sound like SC killed Barch. They didn't. I barch in champion league and most of them have LV13 archer towers (that's the area most affected) and I still pull it off like before. Does it get trickier? Yes. Is it doable still? Hell yes. You just need to be more calculated. I think SC made the right choice making barch harder against maxed bases. You talk about pride, so I guess there is pride to be lost for people who spend their time upgrading their bases to maxed and then got smashed by a tier-1 army from TH9 as well. If you are smart enough, you can still pull it off. That, too, was your words. Give it time. Adapt a bit. I don't think Barch is dead. Far from it.

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i know it can be done im doing it, my point was actually to state that SC cant change a few things cuz depend on us the players.

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Originally Posted by Ornitorrinco22

So how do you upgrade anything with loonions? Boost everything, raid and wait 15min looking at your ipad screen to avoid being raided to be able to get 50k loot at a time?
Not reasonable to me when compared with barch. boosted barch = army ready as soon as you get back to your village AND costs a lot less.

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Looning in chrystal gets enough loot to turn a profit, with bonus (and the DE is overflowing).... TH out also means I'm rarely rolled for loot - sometimes, I have to wait a whole 5 mins before i'm sniped.... (also last few days, elixir has got considerably better -- lots of premmies with pink and purple walls, with no where to dump loot - thanks to update)


Sometimes I cook up heavy armies just for fun (when loot and time allows) --- We are not all in a rush, to get everything done efficiently and quickly as possible --- I like raiding loot and smashing bases -- that is what I consider to be the point of the game (for me)


Barch may be cheaper, and efficient --- but I play for fun --- If all I could do was barch, i'd have quit ages ago....



I sometimes barch, but more often BAM - when I want to get some quick dirty loot, and it can be fun, for a change

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Originally Posted by TreeBranchTwig

I'm sorry, but I can't really see the problem. I'm not sure what you're complaining about, but it seems to be something silly like not being able to do an all wall breaker raid without spending elixir... :confused:

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im not complaining

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Originally Posted by kcresj

1.- it can actually happen

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Sorry it won't and cannot, even if it would be a nice thing. We can't even begin to guess the number of people that play in master, but we can safely say a fraction of those are on the forums. We can't get more than 3 people to agree to anything here, so trying to get just the community to follow along won't happen. How do you plan on spreading the word and then getting people to agree to it? Is SC going to mandate loot day? They won't because they will lose money and players.

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Originally Posted by kcresj

2.- im not saying we all play like these forever, just one day

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Anyone who thinks we'd all hold hands and sing kumbaya every Saturday whilst sniping one anothers town halls is smoking something out of this world :rolleyes: I know I for one would be leading the charge to ruin charity day because I would take advantage of the situation and go out and raid full blast on bases brimming with resourses that are meant for some upgrade, yet have their shield down for the charity day. I'd even snipe while keeping my th behind many layers of walls and defenses. The game is about one uping and raiding the next guy, not giving him free loot. My th is out to give me a shield, not "better" the clash economy by letting someone get a bonus.

What about the people that snipe and then hide in shield after the builders are all busy and storages are full? Oh, but we had their word! The game is about stealing from one another... there is no honor amongst theves, or clashers :rolleyes:

So what of the non participants? Are they not allowed to snipe or raid? This cannot happen without SC officiating, which as I said, won't happen.

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Originally Posted by kcresj

3.- You cant say that, thats isnt gonna fix the loot problem cuz you, me and everyone knows that could actually work, cuz it will generate loots of loot.

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Sorry, you won't convince me. I'm in the camp that loot problems are subjective. Every other next should not be 500k in the collectors. I have since th7, now upgrading to th10, had raids within a few nexts (as axion pointed out in crystal) of 300-500k from storages so I don't see your loot problem. Sorry, but there are other ways to address your loot problem. Evaluate your standards and playing style to SCs hopes and plans for their game (they want you to not max out in a week without spending time or money and get bored and delete the app like all the copycat games). The game isn't meant to be beaten or easy. SC wants us to stay so they give us new content and change thing up to keep us interested.

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Originally Posted by theangryewok

Sorry it won't and cannot, even if it would be a nice thing. We can't even begin to guess the number of people that play in master, but we can safely say a fraction of those are on the forums. We can't get more than 3 people to agree to anything here, so trying to get just the community to follow along won't happen. How do you plan on spreading the word and then getting people to agree to it? Is SC going to mandate loot day? They won't because they will lose money and players.

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You are so close minded to the point, that you are reading whatever you want, first of all it was an example that of the master 1, im not saying that is going to happen, but the FACT that it can be done that you cant argue with, the point in these is to make clear that SC "dont" have the power to "fix" loot problems, the player has it.

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Originally Posted by theangryewok

Anyone who thinks we'd all hold hands and sing kumbaya every Saturday whilst sniping one anothers town halls is smoking something out of this world :rolleyes: I know I for one would be leading the charge to ruin charity day because I would take advantage of the situation and go out and raid full blast on bases brimming with resourses that are meant for some upgrade, yet have their shield down for the charity day. I'd even snipe while keeping my th behind many layers of walls and defenses. The game is about one uping and raiding the next guy, not giving him free loot. My th is out to give me a shield, not "better" the clash economy by letting someone get a bonus.

What about the people that snipe and then hide in shield after the builders are all bust and storages are full? Oh, but we had their word! The game is about stealing from one another... there is no honor amongst theves, or clashers :rolleyes:

So what of the non participants? Are they not allowed to snipe or raid? This cannot happen without SC officiating, which as I said, won't happen.

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Even if you let your th out side for the shield, you are giving the person that snipe you a bonus wheter you want it or not, the point is.. if you raid 43 persons (snipe) they are not losing anyting and your making loot out of nothing cuz the win bonus, the win bonus is the real fixer of the loot problems (i agree with you i dont have problems with loot, but we are not the only players and if SC agree that theres actually a problem we cant argue with that)

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Originally Posted by theangryewok

Sorry, you won't convince me. I'm in the camp that loot problems are subjective. Every other next should not be 500k in the collectors. I have since th7, now upgrading to th10, had raids within a few nexts (as axion pointed out in crystal) of 200-400k from storages so I don't see your loot problem. Sorry, but there are other ways to address your loot problem. Evaluate your standards and playing style to SCs hopes and plans for their game (they want you to not max out in a week without spending time or money and get bored and delete the app like all the copycat games). The game isn't meant to be beaten or easy. SC wants us to stay so they give us new content and change thing up to keep us interested.

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i didnt want anything from anyone, this was my opinion, away to state that players have more control over the game that we actually realize.

Dear OP,

Most people have disagreed with you at this point, making you the minority. Time to step off that soapbox and go find another farm strat if you're not a decent enough attacker to keep using barch.

Sincerely,
Horsey

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Originally Posted by xQQx

You have never been to crystal huh ... I find bases with 150,000 gold/elixir really quick. Less than 20 nexts. Idont wait online, my base can defend against attacks, plus, free shield from th outside.

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That means your strategy is to not play the game. I don't want to raid once per hour. I want to raid as often as possible (ideally non-stop). Taking a long break after every raid (i.e. not playing the game) is a terrible strategy.