Subtle, but potentially Pekka-breaking update

U realise that ever since this update and even b4 this update I've been using gowipe with LVL 3 pekkas it make absolutely no difference what they can one shot and what they cannot because in a gowipe raid the pekkas aren't meant to be out collector bashing that's the Wizards job, the pekkas are meant to be in the center destroying the town hall and main defenses. I can still easily 3 star higher th9s with gowipe and im a th9 myself. Also I can even 2 star most mid LVL th10s so really unless u use ur pekkas in a funny way unlike the rest of us who use them U shouldn't be complaining. The Update Is Out There Will Not Be A Rollback!!!

SUPERCELL THIS NEEDS ATTENTION.

Valid points as to not upgrade PEKKA until DPS is increased to bring back its usefullness, and to justify its insane upgrade cost/time.
I dont even have them yet, but statistics to not lie...

Great Post

In today's guide we will be talking about the uses of the troops in gowipe with a specific focus on the pekka and her relationships with the other troops!

PEKKA

This hefty female warriors role in battle is to get right in the center of the action and be the main damage dealer in the battle! When using the pekka U should always drop golems then wizards first to avoid mistakes in battle! During the battle the pekka or pekkas should be moved into the center of the base to take out the town hall!
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GOLEM

These sturdy rocks are your main damage suckers in battle as they provide cover for all the other troops on the battle! Golems should be deployed first because if they aren't your other troops will be targeted first. The golem is meant to slowly make its way into the center providing cover for the main damage dealers the pekkas your king, queen and wizards!
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WIZARDS

These crafty mages are the main cleaners in your raid they will cleanup any lower hp building around the outside so as to let your pekkas have free access to the center without distractions! Wizards are not extremely durable by themselves but if in a group or coupled with a golem they can be devastating!
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WALLBREAKERS

These suicidal skeletons are what gets your troops into the base deploy after your golems to make sure they don't get shot down before they reach your enemies walls! Be careful of mortars though as there splash damage enables them to hit both the golem and multiple wallbreakers at the same time! Also when there is a rage spell dropped wallbreakers do double damage and move at super speed to get you into the base faster than ever before!
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ARCHERS

These beautiful bowomen are used eiter near the end of a battle to take out any leftover building or are even used first up to draw out the clan castle troops whichever way you use them they can be a raid saver!
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BARBARIAN KING

This giant barbarian should be used to assist pekkas in your raids he may not deal as much damage as before but his life regeneration in battle can be a lifesaver! The barbarian king should be used as a secondary tank in your raid if your golems go down to early as his life regen extends his life to more than ever before!
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ARCHER QUEEN

This eagle eyes sharpshooter can have multiple uses in this type of battle! She can either be used to help the Wizards on the outside or help the king and pekkas on the inside whichever you use her for using her royal cloak ability maxes out her damage for a small period of time! In this time frame she also goes invisible so you can be sure she will get off her most powerful shots!
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Ok guys I hope this guide has improved your knowledge for the use of the troops in gowipe as some people seemed confused about the pekkas role in battle before!

Kind Regards,
TheFirstSteven

Been trying for this for awhile now dude. But if the new update is making it even worse, the more of these threads that are at the top of the ideas list, the better. Here's mine.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ady-please-%29

Keep up the support. We could use a few changes, including this pekka one.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

I got an idea, since its such a problem that you miss out on three stars due to time they should just remove the timer! Thats essentially what you want, except the increase in time taken is extremely small.

Also the burden of proof is on you, you havent stated why it is such a problem for pekkas to take an extra hit on certain collectors other than how it may take longer to get 100% and how that may make you miss out on a three star. But whats the problem with that? All troops are affected and pekkas having a lower rate of fir are affected more but so what? Why is it such a problem to make getting three stars slightly harder? (A statement that is highly dubious and wouldnt affect the outcome by much anyway)

Firstly i suggest you provide a post update replay showing how you can miss out on a three star and what differences would have occured pre-update.
Then explain why it is such a problem for it to be harder to get three stars and explain why it should be easier for a th8 to three star another th8 than a th10 three starring another th10 ( only after having proven there is a signifixant difference)

I urge you to remember that you are the one trying to make a point here but you have no evidence or proof and some flimsy reasonning, which isnt the least bit convincing.

Of course SC arent god, but im pretty sure they would have considered the effect it would have had on various troops, thats the point of changing the hp in the first place. They would have considered it far more than you have and if you have such a big problem with the affect on pekkas then you need to prove why it is a problem.

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No, I know what the solution is: for you to stop being such a pretentious snob. Your argument is 100% opinion based. You have no numbers to help you. "Pekkas are affected more but so what" exactly what I am talking about. That is 100% opinionated. I don't know why I wasted my time explaining something that you'll obviously never understand or even care about. Feel like I'm talking to a toddler- everything I say gets responded with "why" but even when I answer there's no way it'll ever understand it.

I've said multiple times why the effect on pekkas is important, but you don't seem to care since you never read what I say, so just get lost and get something better to do with your time. Your posts have not been constructive but instead, obstructive and antagonistic.

1. More time required to destroy buildings because of more hits required. This should be self-explanatory.

2. More time for towers to shoot at pekkas while they take those extra hits on the buildings. This shoudl be pretty self-explanatory too.

3. If pekkas see a large decrease in 3 star attacks, then people will go back to using all dragons and hogs. There would be a large decrease in the usage of pekkas, and if it becomes a dead troop, serves no purpose. If one can no longer 3 star or even 2 star consistently with pekkas, why use them when that person can use different troops to 3 star. Just like if they took the big bomb damage bonus off of hogs- all you would see is hogs, causing an imbalance to the game.

4. No pekka lvl 4 at th9, but instead only .th 10 even though they have lvl 5 too. Only worsens matters.

You think my reasoning is flimsy, but yet where are facts or statistics supporting your argument? All you have is inferences, and manipulation by understating things you don't care about and exaggerating everything you care about. I can pull out a few facts/statistics for mine- 42.5 seconds, even if that becomes 15 seconds, that's still 15 extra seconds of getting shot at isn't it? If a cannon does 60 damage per second, that's 900 more damage, but no... 900 damage is nothing to you.

You can't change the facts. The only thing you can change is your interpretation of them.
You also don't know for a fact what supercell was thinking. Just like when supercell brought out elixir wall upgrades? Surely they were thinking "sure this'll ruin the economy but we'll do it anyway." No, they obviously didn't realize how large of an effect it would have, and after hearing feedback they moved it to lvl 9 walls.

Same concept here, I have numbers to support why this update has an especially higher detriment to pekkas, the most important of which are 2.5s, 17 extra hits, and a maximum potential of 42.5s (which although not realistic, is still 21s when cut in half to factor in other troops.) Why have videos when I have statistics? Surely one can predict a .300 hitter will perform better in any given game than a .200 hitter?

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Originally Posted by ImperatorChuck

No, I know what the solution is: for you to stop being such a pretentious snob. Your argument is 100% opinion based. You have no numbers to help you. "Pekkas are affected more but so what" exactly what I am talking about. That is 100% opinionated. I don't know why I wasted my time explaining something that you'll obviously never understand or even care about. Feel like I'm talking to a toddler- everything I say gets responded with "why" but even when I answer there's no way it'll ever understand it.

I've said multiple times why the effect on pekkas is important, but you don't seem to care since you never read what I say, so just get lost and get something better to do with your time. Your posts have not been constructive but instead, obstructive and antagonistic.

1. More time required to destroy buildings because of more hits required. This should be self-explanatory.

2. More time for towers to shoot at pekkas while they take those extra hits on the buildings. This shoudl be pretty self-explanatory too.

3. If pekkas see a large decrease in 3 star attacks, then people will go back to using all dragons and hogs. There would be a large decrease in the usage of pekkas, and if it becomes a dead troop, serves no purpose. If one can no longer 3 star or even 2 star consistently with pekkas, why use them when that person can use different troops to 3 star. Just like if they took the big bomb damage bonus off of hogs- all you would see is hogs, causing an imbalance to the game.

4. No pekka lvl 4 at th9, but instead only .th 10 even though they have lvl 5 too. Only worsens matters.

You think my reasoning is flimsy, but yet where are facts or statistics supporting your argument? All you have is inferences, and manipulation by understating things you don't care about and exaggerating everything you care about. I can pull out a few facts/statistics for mine- 42.5 seconds, even if that becomes 15 seconds, that's still 15 extra seconds of getting shot at isn't it? If a cannon does 60 damage per second, that's 900 more damage, but no... 900 damage is nothing to you.

You can't change the facts. The only thing you can change is your interpretation of them.
You also don't know for a fact what supercell was thinking. Just like when supercell brought out elixir wall upgrades? Surely they were thinking "sure this'll ruin the economy but we'll do it anyway." No, they obviously didn't realize how large of an effect it would have, and after hearing feedback they moved it to lvl 9 walls.

Same concept here, I have numbers to support why this update has an especially higher detriment to pekkas, the most important of which are 2.5s, 17 extra hits, and a maximum potential of 42.5s (which although not realistic, is still 21s when cut in half to factor in other troops.) Why have videos when I have statistics? Surely one can predict a .300 hitter will perform better in any given game than a .200 hitter?

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U seem to have completely bypassed my comment before(maybe cause you know u can't compete with it) but that comment is extremely important because as im sure you saw(yet didnt comment) is the fact that said LVL 3 pekkas shouldn't be out collector bashing in the first place!!! I will restate the roll of pekkas here even though u ignored it b4, THE ROLE OF PEKKAS IN GOWIPE IS TO BE IN THE CENTER TAKING OUT THE TOWN HALL!!!

(Btw im not asking why here im directly saying to you that if your pekkas are attacking collectors then your using them incorrectly, U can look at multiple gowipe guides but u will never find in these guides anywhere that says DEPLOY UR PEKKAS IN A RING AROUND THE BASE TO LET THEM BASH COLLECTORS I've read multiple gowipe guides and I haven't once seen this step!)

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Originally Posted by ImperatorChuck

No, I know what the solution is: for you to stop being such a pretentious snob. Your argument is 100% opinion based. You have no numbers to help you. "Pekkas are affected more but so what" exactly what I am talking about. That is 100% opinionated. I don't know why I wasted my time explaining something that you'll obviously never understand or even care about. Feel like I'm talking to a toddler- everything I say gets responded with "why" but even when I answer there's no way it'll ever understand it.

I've said multiple times why the effect on pekkas is important, but you don't seem to care since you never read what I say, so just get lost and get something better to do with your time. Your posts have not been constructive but instead, obstructive and antagonistic.

1. More time required to destroy buildings because of more hits required. This should be self-explanatory.

2. More time for towers to shoot at pekkas while they take those extra hits on the buildings. This shoudl be pretty self-explanatory too.

3. If pekkas see a large decrease in 3 star attacks, then people will go back to using all dragons and hogs. There would be a large decrease in the usage of pekkas, and if it becomes a dead troop, serves no purpose. If one can no longer 3 star or even 2 star consistently with pekkas, why use them when that person can use different troops to 3 star. Just like if they took the big bomb damage bonus off of hogs- all you would see is hogs, causing an imbalance to the game.

4. No pekka lvl 4 at th9, but instead only .th 10 even though they have lvl 5 too. Only worsens matters.

You think my reasoning is flimsy, but yet where are facts or statistics supporting your argument? All you have is inferences, and manipulation by understating things you don't care about and exaggerating everything you care about. I can pull out a few facts/statistics for mine- 42.5 seconds, even if that becomes 15 seconds, that's still 15 extra seconds of getting shot at isn't it? If a cannon does 60 damage per second, that's 900 more damage, but no... 900 damage is nothing to you.

You can't change the facts. The only thing you can change is your interpretation of them.
You also don't know for a fact what supercell was thinking. Just like when supercell brought out elixir wall upgrades? Surely they were thinking "sure this'll ruin the economy but we'll do it anyway." No, they obviously didn't realize how large of an effect it would have, and after hearing feedback they moved it to lvl 9 walls.

Same concept here, I have numbers to support why this update has an especially higher detriment to pekkas, the most important of which are 2.5s, 17 extra hits, and a maximum potential of 42.5s (which although not realistic, is still 21s when cut in half to factor in other troops.) Why have videos when I have statistics? Surely one can predict a .300 hitter will perform better in any given game than a .200 hitter?

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You keep talking some bogus theory but if the change is so significant post the next gowipe you do and we can discuss what changes had occurred in that raid. After all its so game-breaking that most raid involving pekka should be affected right? So any raid with a pekka should prove your point. in-game numbers is what you fail to provide, the numbers you provide, and I repeat for the nth time, assume you have one pekka hitting a collector at a time with no other troops. You randomly cutting that number in half or to 15 seconds to account for other troops makes no sense.

And what I said wasn't opinionated, your argument is supposed to be opinionated, you have to state why you think it is bad that pekkas take longer to break collectors, backed with facts.

To put it simply for you, you have to show a raid where this update has ruined your raid by showing how the extra time spent hitting collectors or cannons had took too much time and you missed out on a star. I don't think you will be able to but assuming you are...

I will then go on to point out any significant flaws within the raid (bad spell placement, too much time spent luring etc.), and if such flaws exist then we can conclude that the raid didn't deserve a three star and pekkas deserved to be 'nerfed' if faulty raids were given three stars previously. If I am unable to do that then you will be correct in saying that there is a problem that needs to be fixed.

But then we have to consider whether the base was too 'hard' or too 'easy', which needs to be somehow determined in order to decide whether the base itself deserves to be three starred. However that isn't really possible, luckily you wouldn't get passed the posting replay stage and we don't have to worry about it :)

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Originally Posted by n3r0s

This is a very important thread. As a TH9 GOWIPE is my main war army, and now it's decreased. Since war started TH10 have got Pekka 5, Archers 7, Barbs 7, Giants 7 and Th 9 have got nothing. (I count the dog as nothing) They have made TH 10 much stronger and TH 9 even weaker. The picture is clear, they try in every possible way to push people to be premature TH 10. Once there the lured players find horrible loot and the temptation to gem stuff will be strong.

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I have yet to gem any resource to keep builders or lab going. You just have to be real active at first. Now i can go a day or so in-between raid sessions because the build times are so long.

Dont over look 4houndloonion. I see three stars on th10's at least once to twice a war and all of them get two starred

This is a very nice and thought out point

Restating my multiple point before PEKKAS ARENT MEANT TO BE ATTACKING THE COLLECTORS IN THE FIRST PLACE SO CALLING FOR A BUFF IS UNNECESSARY!!!