Subtle, but potentially Pekka-breaking update

So with the release of the winter/christmas update, we got lots of nice features, but if you paid attention, then you will have noticed something mentioned by Supercell right before the update.

"No more stubborn campfires" "The hitpoints of some buildings bave been increased."

I will be discussing the effects of these hitpoints increases will have on pekkas, namely lvl 3 pekkas.

Buildings with more hitpoints after update: lab, barracks, archer towers, cannons, collectors, and spell factories.

Buildings with less hitpoints: army camps, maybe one or two others.

So, here comes the lvl 3 pekka. It's DPS is 300 and 750 per attack, attacking every 2.5 seconds. Before this update, that meant it could ONE HIT the following buildings:

Collectors/mines, lvl 10 cannons, barracks, labs, lvl 5 and below teslas, mortars, dark barracks, and lvl 11 archer towers.

Now by very slightly increasing the hitpoints of some of these buildings, after the update, the lvl 3 pekka can now ONE HIT these buildings by comparison:

Lvl 9 collectors/mines, lvl 5 teslas, dark barracks, barracks, lvl 6 labs, mortars, LVL 7 CANNONS, lvl 10 archer towers.

As one can see, the lvl 3 pekka, which costs 6million elixir to upgrade (9million total), has been robbed of its one-hit capability on maxed out collectors, maxed out cannons at th8, on the laboratory lvl 7 and above, and lvl 11 archer towers.

This could potentially RUIN Pekkas for th8's and 9's. I spent 6million elixir for my lvl 3 pekkas and now i feel like instead of spending it on something that could one hit three-quarters of the buildings, i spent it on those extra few hundred hitpoints....

Pekkas attack so slowly that if they CANNOT ONE HIT most of the buildings WITHOUT RAGE SPELLS, well, that makes them quite problematic- especiqlly when they have to waste another 2.5 second attack on a building that has only 50 hitpoints remaining.

This slow attack and now inability to one-hit a number of the buildings it could previously, could cause the death of pekkas for th8's and 9's. The thing that made lvl 3 pekkas so great an upgrade was their ability to one-hit these buildings, but now that is mostly gone. I feel like i've been ♥♥♥♥♥ed when i upgraded them to lvl 3. What's the use in lvl 3 if lvl 2 one-hits the dame buildings?

There are a few suggestions i have to fix this issue:

1. Reduce the hitpoints of some of these buildings to 750 or below to allow the lvl 3 Pekka to one-hit them again.

2. Buff the DPS of lvl 3 and above pekkas so they can one-hit these buildings.

3. Make lvl 4 Pekkas available to th9's- there is absolutely no reason to give th 10's two upgrades for pekkas. Nobody will use lvl 4 pekkas at th 10 when they can upgrade them to lvl 5 at the same th. Now that most buildings have more hitpoints, the addition of lvl 4 pekkas, should offset this for th9's.

bummmmmmmp

pekkas shouldn't be hitting collectors anyway...

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Originally Posted by Gama321

pekkas shouldn't be hitting collectors anyway...

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wow he had a legit complaint. and you didn't contribute at all to the discussion.

Go-Wipe at TH8 is now useless with the update. TH8s used to be able to 2-star low-mid TH9s with lvl3. Lvl2 = Lvl3 now. What's the point of upgrading?

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Originally Posted by MJAYE

wow he had a legit complaint. and you didn't contribute at all to the discussion.

Go-Wipe at TH8 is now useless with the update. TH8s used to be able to 2-star low-mid TH9s with lvl3. Lvl2 = Lvl3 now. What's the point of upgrading?

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Ok lets look at your contribution

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Originally Posted by MJAYE

bummmmmmmp

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Other than that you make some baseless statement of gowipe being useless, and assume they cannot two star low level th9s. Then you equate lvl2 to lvl3 which is also untrue, just because they both don't one shot collectors it doesn't mean they are equal, lvl3 also has a significant hp increase. The fact is what the op has stated is far from comprehensive and he spends most of his time comparing lvl3 now to lvl3 before, whilst barely mentioning anything about lvl2.

Nothing is broken. Wizard always accompany pekkas... IF you know how to deploy ( apperantly you dont, because the collectors are an issue ), pekkas and wizards will still 1hit anything they target, I dont get the problem.

Go-Wipe with Lvl3 Pekkas is a sure two-star for low-mid TH9s if deployed properly. I agree with the fact that they are hitting collectors, they are not deployed how a standard Go-Wipe is supposed to work (all pekkas in the core), but I've 3-starred TH9s by purposely deploying one pekka on each side and allowing my BK, wiz, golems, and one pekka wreck the core.

The fact that Lvl3 pekkas can't one-shot Lvl10 cannons anymore is a big deal (max cannon at TH8). Lvl3 at 6 million is not a big jump to Lvl2 at 3 million elixir.

This is a legit complaint.

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Originally Posted by MJAYE

Go-Wipe with Lvl3 Pekkas is a sure two-star for low-mid TH9s if deployed properly. I agree with the fact that they are hitting collectors, they are not deployed how a standard Go-Wipe is supposed to work (all pekkas in the core), but I've 3-starred TH9s by purposely deploying one pekka on each side and allowing my BK, wiz, golems, and one pekka wreck the core.

The fact that Lvl3 pekkas can't one-shot Lvl10 cannons anymore is a big deal (max cannon at TH8). Lvl3 at 6 million is not a big jump to Lvl2 at 3 million elixir.

This is a legit complaint.

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Thank you for understanding the problem.

I use gowipe at th8 in most of my war attacks, and have been ever since i got them to level 2 and then 3. When i upgraded to level 3 i looked at the stats and realized that it would one-hit cannons, collectors, archer towers and low to mid level teslas. Aside from the 400 or so hitpoint gain, that's what i think made the 6mill elixir that much more worth it. The fact that they attack so slowly means that a-one hit KO is very beneficial. Now they have taken that away, and yet there is no lvl 4 pekka at th9 to make up for it.

Now to address the issue of how "I Only talked about lvl 3 pekkas now compared to then."

Yes, i mostly focused on lvl 3 pekkas now compared to before the update because they are most affected by it. What I have a problem with is that the extra DPS increase from lvl 2 to 3 pekkas is now next to worthless. What's the use in more DPS if it barely one-hits any more buildings than the lvl 2 one does? It's basically 6mill elixir for 400hp that's it.

Also, to those saying that pekkas shouldn't attack collectors because that indicates poor placement, what about at the end of the battle? When I have 30 seconds to destroy 8 collectors/mines for a 3 star and 1 pekka left for troops? If they TWO-hit the collectors then it would take 5 seconds on each one because collectors/mines have more than 750 hp now. 40 seconds total there if it teleports to the next one. It would take only 20 seconds with one-hits by comparison.

As MJAYE said, he likes to put one pekka on each side to take out the surrounding buildings; what's the use now when they cannot one-hit these buildings? That's why they need a dps buff or buildings have their hp nerfed.

Leave the hitpoints and just make the Level 4 Pekka available at TH9, since the max Pekka is level 5 at TH10 its completely warranted to have the lvl 4 Pekka available to TH9. Should be a very easy update for supercell also.

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Originally Posted by ImperatorChuck

Thank you for understanding the problem.

I use gowipe at th8 in most of my war attacks, and have been ever since i got them to level 2 and then 3. When i upgraded to level 3 i looked at the stats and realized that it would one-hit cannons, collectors, archer towers and low to mid level teslas. Aside from the 400 or so hitpoint gain, that's what i think made the 6mill elixir that much more worth it. The fact that they attack so slowly means that a-one hit KO is very beneficial. Now they have taken that away, and yet there is no lvl 4 pekka at th9 to make up for it.

Now to address the issue of how "I Only talked about lvl 3 pekkas now compared to then."

Yes, i mostly focused on lvl 3 pekkas now compared to before the update because they are most affected by it. What I have a problem with is that the extra DPS increase from lvl 2 to 3 pekkas is now next to worthless. What's the use in more DPS if it barely one-hits any more buildings than the lvl 2 one does? It's basically 6mill elixir for 400hp that's it.

Also, to those saying that pekkas shouldn't attack collectors because that indicates poor placement, what about at the end of the battle? When I have 30 seconds to destroy 8 collectors/mines for a 3 star and 1 pekka left for troops? If they TWO-hit the collectors then it would take 5 seconds on each one because collectors/mines have more than 750 hp now. 40 seconds total there if it teleports to the next one. It would take only 20 seconds with one-hits by comparison.

As MJAYE said, he likes to put one pekka on each side to take out the surrounding buildings; what's the use now when they cannot one-hit these buildings? That's why they need a dps buff or buildings have their hp nerfed.

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That's nice and all, but you are saying that because buildings had their hp buffed they should balance it by nerfing it, that about sums up what you want. SC rarely do rollbacks so it wont happen. They buffed the hp because they felt it was necessary, that pekkas shouldn't be one-shotting collectors. You haven't stated why it is a problem that they cant, its called re-balancing.

Another thing which seems to fly straight passed you is that this was a defence buff, not a pekka nerf. All troops are affected, but troops like loons, drags, pekkas and wizards would naturally be affected more as they have a slower rate of fire. These troops had always had a slower rate of fire, and there has always been things they couldn't one-shot and have to use an extra attack on even before the update.