AT vs XBow - Barb & Arch - Matt's Math Comment on All Clash Archer Tower update

While I was reading this article, I found a comment left by Matt.
(http://www.allclash.com/clash-clans-...archer-towers/)

So, I did an in-depth analysis on the Current AT vs New AT vs X-Bow on time to kill. With the assumption that all shots hit their mark (which is a big assumption, but roll with it), the new Archer Tower will out-perform the X-Bow in all instance analyzed sans one (Barbarians level 6). I looked at all AT and X-Bow levels against Level 5,6,7 Archers and Barbarians. I also assumed that the first shot was instantaneous (time 0). Assuming you have Maxxed both AT’s and X-Bows, the following times to kill 5 troops of the same kind are as follows:
Archers 5:
AT old – 4 seconds
AT new – 2 seconds
X-Bow – 2.432 seconds
Archers 6:
AT old – 4 seconds
AT new – 2 seconds
X-Bow – 3.072 seconds
Archers 7:
AT old – 4 seconds
AT new – 2 seconds
X-Bow – 3.072 seconds
Barbarians 5:
AT old – 4 seconds
AT new – 4.5 seconds
X-Bow – 6.272 seconds
Barbarians 6:
AT old – 9 seconds
AT new – 7 seconds
X-Bow – 6.912 seconds
Barbarians 7:
AT old – 9 seconds
AT new – 7 seconds
X-Bow – 8.192 seconds
With this taken into account, the only benefits of the X-Bow are the larger range (marginally larger if Ground & Air, much larger Ground Only, but useless against air troops), and a higher probability of hitting a live target (faster shooting and faster projectile speed).

(Not my math.)

Something is missing in those calcs. Next target turning lag. All towers have it except the Tesla and inferno. However, the xbow has the least amount of it. xbow changes targets faster.

Thanks for doing the math man... I was wondering how the AT compared to the xbows now...

What I don't think people are also seeing with this update is a NERF to balloonions as well and not just BARCH. I have adapted my BARCH to use more barbs than archers and this validates it... I think I will start to use a couple more loons vs. minions in raids as well moving forward after this update.

This doesn't make sense. Either the OP is missing something in his description or is just plain wrong.

The new AT and old AT kill at the same rate. This is a fact.

The only difference is that the new AT will be able to switch faster to a new target due to a higher rate of fire. This helps AT only when it's working in conjunction w/ other def buildings or a small bomb.

Someone explain to me what I am not seeing in OP's post.

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Originally Posted by beards

This doesn't make sense. Either the OP is missing something in his description or is just plain wrong.

The new AT and old AT kill at the same rate. This is a fact.

The only difference is that the new AT will be able to switch faster to a new target due to a higher rate of fire. This helps AT only when it's working in conjunction w/ other def buildings or a small bomb.

Someone explain to me what I am not seeing in OP's post.

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It is very simple.... If the barbarian takes 3 shots to kill it, then it has an extra shot at the next barbarian over the old AT that took 2 shots for example. That is increased efficiency .

What at is also not considered is that barbs used to soak some AE and still be a little useful. Any barbarian that is hit with a mortar or any kind of bomb or wiz tower now gets ANHIALATED by archer towers at twice the rate they would have died earlier.

ATs have destroyed witches as well. Their skellies are cast so slow and just get mowed down. The witch has no chance against archer towers. This was a terrible, poorly thought change. Your half dead wiz? Yeah, they get mowed down too twice as fast.

Terrible, terrible idea, poorly thought out and a completely unnecessary change

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Originally Posted by beards

This doesn't make sense. Either the OP is missing something in his description or is just plain wrong.

The new AT and old AT kill at the same rate. This is a fact.

The only difference is that the new AT will be able to switch faster to a new target due to a higher rate of fire. This helps AT only when it's working in conjunction w/ other def buildings or a small bomb.

Someone explain to me what I am not seeing in OP's post.

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Yes same kill power but since they shoot faster, they are "updated" faster if their target is dead or not. But its not a huge difference as enemies far away still waste a shot since the prior arrow kills the enemy but the AT still shoots another one at that same target that was about to die with the previous arrow. The problem here is arrow speed. It is so AGONIZINGINGLY slow. The slowest defense projectile in the game after, of course, the mortar. Why do you think Tesla are so good against hordes of enemies? Their damage is instant so no wasted shots and instant target-changing.

I think that increasing the rate of fire on archer towers was a great idea, however, this only increases the effectiveness of the archer tower at closer ranges. For example:

1) My lvl 10 archer tower does 65 dps and a lvl 4 archer has 33 hp.

Before: The archer tower would one hit the archer and do an excess of 32 damage, killing one archer per second (plus target acquisition time).
Now: The archer tower hits an archer once every .5s but doesn't kill it till the second shot, still doing an excess of 32 damage and killing one archer per second (plus target acquisition time).

2) My lvl 11 archer tower does 75 dps and a lvl 4 archer has 33 hp.

Before: The archer tower would one hit the archer and do an excess of 42 damage, killing one archer per second (plus target acquisition time).
Now: The archer tower hits an archer once every .5s doing 37.5 damage and killing it in one hit with an excess of 4.5 damage.
However; because the second shot is fired at the first archer before the first shot reaches its target, the second shot is completely wasted, doing an excess of 37.5 damage for a total excess of 42 damage.
Therefore; the archer tower can still only kill one archer per second (plus target acquisition time).

This applies to all level archer towers and troops at all levels (although to a much less extent with high hp troops). What this update does change is the archer tower's effective range.

Assuming the archer tower can one hit the archer (example 2), as the archers move closer to the tower the time for the arrow to reach its target is decreased. Once the archers come within a certain radius of the tower, the first arrow will kill its target before the second arrow is released, allowing the second arrow to kill a second target.
This effective range is modified by two variables, targeting speed and arrow speed, and is the reason why the x-bow is so deadly. The x-bow's high rate of fire, high arrow velocity, and high targeting speed despite relatively low dps make it more effective as targets close in on it.

So to make a general statement:
Archer tower's effectiveness increases as distance to target decreases.

This was seen at a very discrete level with the previous system, but only at extreme ranges, where the time to reach the target was longer then the firing rate and an arrow would be wasted.

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Originally Posted by Jcman

It is very simple.... If the barbarian takes 3 shots to kill it, then it has an extra shot at the next barbarian over the old AT that took 2 shots for example. That is increased efficiency .

What at is also not considered is that barbs used to soak some AE and still be a little useful. Any barbarian that is hit with a mortar or any kind of bomb or wiz tower now gets ANHIALATED by archer towers at twice the rate they would have died earlier.

ATs have destroyed witches as well. Their skellies are cast so slow and just get mowed down. The witch has no chance against archer towers. This was a terrible, poorly thought change. Your half dead wiz? Yeah, they get mowed down too twice as fast.

Terrible, terrible idea, poorly thought out and a completely unnecessary change

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You just repeated everything that I said.

Taking your barb example, for example, it doesn't matter how many barbs you take in an instance, they should die in the same amount of time versus both the new and the old AT. Like I said before, this ROF only matters when in conjunction w/ other def buildings and the OP is not talking about that. He's talking 1 barb vs 1 AT and getting different kill times for new and old AT. And this is what I asked to be clarified. Not you repeating what I said.

And I have a feeling that you think that 5 archers vs a new AT will die quickly as compared to old AT. That's not true...hence MY original post.

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