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Having three villages myself (an almost maxed TH9, a "skip from TH6 directly to TH8" that is now 100% maxed TH8, and a "max every building and wall before next TH" that is now a new TH8) I can tell you with all certainty . . . upgrade everything before your TH. It only gets harder if you skip ahead. Much harder. Avoid the urge and enjoy the loot bonus until the last minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by th10
YOU'RE NOT EVEN SITTING ON MAXED STORAGES?! What in God's name are you complaining about??Quote:
Originally Posted by VandG
Let me try and explain it as best as I can, which I think I can do as I was a TH8 on both my accounts before elixir for walls was ever a thing.
You've already upgraded your big ticket elixir upgrades. You've got your farming troops to lvl 5, and are now doing the "fun" troops as you don't need elixir for the necessities anymore. You liked the flexibility you had with being able to grind out your walls twice as fast as before. Hell, who wouldn't? So you were able to keep your storages below 500k at all times, sending your resources into the endless supply that are walls.
Fast forward a month. You're a TH9 now. You desperately need elixir to upgrade your offense so that you can overcome the loot penalty of moving up a TH, without having to use lvl 5 troops, 200 army camp space, only 3 spells, etc., to do it. TH7s are no longer viable farming options to you b/c of the loot penalty, so you have to hit TH8s. But, much like you did when you were a TH8, they are dumping their elixir into walls. So you are not able to get the elixir you need, to upgrade the troops to levels that allow you to hit higher TH lvls that the loot penalty forces you to hit. Progression for you at TH9 doesn't just slow, it essentially becomes stagnant.
This is what TH9s have been facing b/c of this update. Now take how difficult it is for TH9s, and multiply that by about 3-4x, and you see how it is for TH10s. This update never should have been implemented in the way that it was, which was completely unrestricted for TH7s-TH10s. It's still not the right solution, as TH10s continue to have to deal with going through depleted TH9/10s b/c the walls are allowed from lvl 9+.
So what are you to do with your excess elixir? (keep in mind you're not even remotely close to overflowing your storages with it yet) People have offered plenty of options with what you can do as a TH8.
But if you are seriously concerned about wasted elixir gains, do what I and many others did before this update even existed: go to TH9. You will immediately have a use for it, and can get your offense going no problem now, due to TH8s stockpiling elixir again. You didn't stay at TH7 when you had your important upgrades finished, leaving you with overflowing storages, did you? No, you moved on to the next challenge. Do it again.
People don't realize or have forgotten what makes these games continue to survive. Yes, a game must be fun and enjoyable to play. But if it is not making money.... Poof! Bye bye! It does not have to be fun for everybody to play. Can anyone guess who has to be having fun for this game to survive? Think about it for a moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHOSTEDonlin
Now, let's say it together. The game must be fun for the people willing to pay for gems. And the game must encourage gems to be purchased. The game needs to produce cash flow because nobody pays to get the game. This game does not have the balance or complexity of console or PC games like Star Craft or Diablo so it can't make money the same way. Ghosted hit the nail on the head. Either gem purchases dropped drastically, or enough higher level/paying players complained about not enjoying the game after the update. Or both happened.
Right now Supercell is hoping that of the people that are willing to put money into the game, more are happy with the update and will continue to open their wallets; and, conversely, only a small(er) number are disgruntled. It is nothing personal; it is business.
Personally, I would like to see Supercell, or any company that is making quality games, do something to remodel the current stale revenue system that everybody is using. I'm tired of the "slow-drip-line attached to the wallet" system. Makes me feel... Drained.
For all who want to believe that this whole change was based on some macro-analysis of the in-game economy... That is your right.
For those who are wondering, I am Griz and DaBare in the clan Nariive if you want to know my in-game particulars so you can tell me how I know nothing whatsoever because of my noobishness. Yesterday, before the change occurred, I did 3 raids for a total of 1.49 million in resources not including DE. In short, I was not feeling the pinch.
For those wondering what to do with your stockpile of elixir stuck in storage; sorry, your strategy just got hosed. You need to consider a new strategy for the future. Your short-term plans most likely have to be scrapped unless (cue Supercell's favorite song) you would like to buy some gems. Or you can grant Dahimi's wish and just put your storages out as a sort of free gulp of lemonade for any passersby. To help this strategy, please make sure to attack once an hour to replenish your stock and keep that pesky shield deactivated.
Thank you and You're welcome!
Exactly. These guys want EVERYTHING just handed to them. Where is the work ethic people?? Farm your walls the old fashioned way!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatLach
I finished most of lvl9 walls with gold only. Stop crying like a baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by VandG
Amen! This is super frustrating.
don't mistake me, i though it was exc upgrading walls with elixir too, but release pekkas, golems, witches, hounds and even dragons are expensive long farming time, so i stop using elixir for walls, and spent my money, first in defenses then in walls... do i mentioned the troops upgrades? so expensive too.Quote:
Originally Posted by VandG
honestly I'm just complaining, cause i wanted for this walls thing, an 1gem acceleration for barracks...
I've just read this entire thread. Your arguments are right to the point.
Thanks for making me understand about the bigger picture. I don't know the impact on another higher th before. Hope I can maxed out the th like yours.
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Originally Posted by iceageg
What do you think we did before we could even use elixir on walls? I maxed my th7 and th8 without the use of elixir (that's Max lv8 walls) so I think you will survive without it. Stop complaing and just farm.Quote:
Originally Posted by VandG
Me too, but the market for it simply isn't there. Honestly it's not really up to Supercell to change it. Customers need to change it by only supporting games that don't have IAP. There are a few games in the app store that are really good that don't follow this model, but unfortunately they make no where near the money that the freemium games do.Quote:
Originally Posted by grizbare
Collectively consumers need to change that by seeking these games out and buying them.