Please help me understand the giant update

Why do lvl 6 giants have over 40% more hitpoints and dps than lvl 5 giants when lvl 7 giants have only 17% more than lvl 6?

Honest question. Not a rhetorical complaint. Can't really wrap my head around this. Why do th9s need a giant on steroids when th10 gets a giant with golden shoulders and a cup of coffee?

Because a cup of coffee is always better than no coffee. :cool::cool:

SuperCell are just trying not to make them overpowered.

Originally the lv 6 Giant was much weaker, but over a series of updates they gradually made it stronger [so it wouldn't be affected by measures to nerf hogs]

I'm sure if the lv 7 Giant is not deemed to be strong enough it will get buffed in the future.

Giants are overpowered to begin with when they are used properly. Kinda confused by this as well. Seems like a pre-mature update IMO. But either way I am stoked to get them upgrading. lol @"Giants on steroids":rolleyes:

Because at townhall 10 nearly every single troop upgrade involves a smaller buff than the previous level upgrade. A buff is still a buff though which is why townhall 10s still use level 6 wizards even though the stat buff on them is relatively small.

So excited for level 7 giants. I may actually use giants for farming again

Often it's not the percentage increase in HP that matters as much as the incremental one that says it takes more hits to bring down... 17% of a lot is still a good buff. You can also note that Level 6 giants also have to make do without useful healer support whereas level 5 giants at th8 usually get much better value for a healer behind them.

I'm basically happy with the update as it's encouraging strategies other than just barch and giving alternatives to lightning zapping DE as well. I'm still not convinced that giants vs infernos doesn't simply equal BBQ. For that reason I expect that as a TH 9 I'm the main victim of the giant buff so am a little nervous about what these giants are going to do to my base. Lv 6 are hard enough to stop.


And yeah, coffee is good.

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Originally Posted by choczombie

Often it's not the percentage increase in HP that matters as much as the incremental one that says it takes more hits to bring down... 17% of a lot is still a good buff. You can also note that Level 6 giants also have to make do without useful healer support whereas level 5 giants at th8 usually get much better value for a healer behind them.

I'm basically happy with the update as it's encouraging strategies other than just barch and giving alternatives to lightning zapping DE as well. I'm still not convinced that giants vs infernos doesn't simply equal BBQ. For that reason I expect that as a TH 9 I'm the main victim of the giant buff so am a little nervous about what these giants are going to do to my base. Lv 6 are hard enough to stop.


And yeah, coffee is good.

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agreed, its encourage to not barch as often, and plus infernos are gonna last longer with same amount of de so the increase in level to Giants is to help balance this to some end, for a slight new gameplay variable, I'm excited

That would be because if you think about it, level 7 giants would be way too overpowered if its increased 40% from level 6

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Originally Posted by choczombie

Often it's not the percentage increase in HP that matters as much as the incremental one that says it takes more hits to bring down... 17% of a lot is still a good buff. You can also note that Level 6 giants also have to make do without useful healer support whereas level 5 giants at th8 usually get much better value for a healer behind them.

I'm basically happy with the update as it's encouraging strategies other than just barch and giving alternatives to lightning zapping DE as well. I'm still not convinced that giants vs infernos doesn't simply equal BBQ. For that reason I expect that as a TH 9 I'm the main victim of the giant buff so am a little nervous about what these giants are going to do to my base. Lv 6 are hard enough to stop.


And yeah, coffee is good.

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I think incremental changes are fine for dps units, since all buildings receive incremental increases in hitpoints as you upgrade them. This isn't the case for the defensive power that your giants go up against, which seem only to be incremental until th9. Th9 and 10 enjoy an exponential growth in defensive capability, which I thought was the rationale behind the exponential increase in lvl 6 giants over previous upgrades which were appropriately incremental.

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Originally Posted by KingOfSaints

That would be because if you think about it, level 7 giants would be way too overpowered if its increased 40% from level 6

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Doesn't have to be either 17% or 40%. How about just another 270hp like previously?

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Originally Posted by SpiritKiller

Because a cup of coffee is always better than no coffee. :cool::cool:

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You are dam right. I may not be able to taste this Cup of coffe but i'm pretty sure i will be able to enjoy it when it is offered.

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Originally Posted by choczombie

Often it's not the percentage increase in HP that matters as much as the incremental one that says it takes more hits to bring down... 17% of a lot is still a good buff. You can also note that Level 6 giants also have to make do without useful healer support whereas level 5 giants at th8 usually get much better value for a healer behind them.

I'm basically happy with the update as it's encouraging strategies other than just barch and giving alternatives to lightning zapping DE as well. I'm still not convinced that giants vs infernos doesn't simply equal BBQ. For that reason I expect that as a TH 9 I'm the main victim of the giant buff so am a little nervous about what these giants are going to do to my base. Lv 6 are hard enough to stop.


And yeah, coffee is good.

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I agree, coffee is good :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by daboy

Doesn't have to be either 17% or 40%. How about just another 270hp like previously?

No other unit has an upgrade that's worse than the previous upgrade in absolute numbers, setting aside percentages for now. It's because of the lvl 6 anomaly. So maybe lvl 6 giants should be nerfed in order for this to make any sense.

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This is flat out false. Lv 6 archers and wizards already disagree (possibly more, though I'm not checking).
The upgrade is already enormous to 7 because they're so damn song at 6. The answer would be chopping their lv6 hp to 900 to balance it, but I think it's fine as it is.

This gives giants 6600 hp for same space as golem.
With way better dps.

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Originally Posted by dysdave

This is flat out false. Lv 6 archers and wizards already disagree (possibly more, though I'm not checking).
The upgrade is already enormous to 7 because they're so damn song at 6. The answer would be chopping their lv6 hp to 900 to balance it, but I think it's fine as it is.

This gives giants 6600 hp for same space as golem.
With way better dps.

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Oops. Yeah on wizards and golems i guess. Archers have a smaller increase from 5-6 than from 4-5, but at least the lvl 7 upgrade is better than the lvl 6.

Why does a lvl4 xbow only do 5 more dps than lvl3, but a lvl3 does 15 more dps than a lvl2?

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Originally Posted by RAppel

Why does a lvl4 xbow only do 5 more dps than lvl3, but a lvl3 does 15 more dps than a lvl2?

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Hmm. Aliens?

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Originally Posted by daboy

Hmm. Aliens?

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Amazing! I was thinking the EXACT same thing! Weird huh?

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Originally Posted by daboy

Why do lvl 6 giants have over 40% more hitpoints and dps than lvl 5 giants when lvl 7 giants have only 17% more than lvl 6?

Honest question. Not a rhetorical complaint. Can't really wrap my head around this. Why do th9s need a giant on steroids, almost twice as good as the ones th8s have, but when th10 gets a giant they basically give him a little golden arm flair and a cup of coffee?

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What are you talking about?? If the giants were twice as good, then there would be a 100% increase. 40% is nowhere near that. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ilovesparky13

What are you talking about?? If the giants were twice as good, then there would be a 100% increase. 40% is nowhere near that. :rolleyes:

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lol. Yes. Quite. Why did I write that :( It's not even plausibly hyperbolic, since I used the word "almost."

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Originally Posted by dysdave

This gives giants 6600 hp for same space as golem.

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Splash damage? ;)

Patrick

Trust me level 6 giants dont last long... against a TH10 with fully maxed defenses. I've tried using it and they last not even the whole raid... at least until 40% or 50% to max.

plus also supercell gets gems if ppl gem time and resources for giants 7 so why not XD
[im still farming n waiting sine this is the only upgrade i have left of th10 lab after update]

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Originally Posted by JoshK

Trust me level 6 giants dont last long... against a TH10 with fully maxed defenses. I've tried using it and they last not even the whole raid... at least until 40% or 50% to max.

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Just because you can't it doesn't mean someone else can't do it either. Galadon just posted a vid of someone 2 starring a nearly maxed th10 (a few lvl12 left ATs iirc).