Heroes must be available for war

I've commented on other posts related to this before, but starting a new thread as I'm cranky. War is a brilliant addition to the game. Heroes are a brilliant addition to the game. Balance depends on it. Upgrading heroes is an absolute necessity to progress to high levels, and along the way to grind up the upgrades to walls and hero levels war is where the game keeps its excitement.

Heroes MUST be made available in war. They are too critical to the balance of high level battles, they are too critical to the team work. Supercell can't continue to hold out that the 200 or 300 whatever days of upgrades is acceptable to keep heroes out to get them up to max level when clanmates depend on you to keep them.

I don't want to sit out wars (which currently requires quitting clan if I intend to stay at dark elix farming range). I can't progress in the game without leveling heroes up. And if the result of this stupid failure of a feature is that I'm quitting my clan to stay out of wars while I farm hero levels, I'll be quitting clash.

I don't actually care how this is implemented. But some suggestions include:
1) An armourer building - the armourer (like the lab) simply upgrades the hero level or hero ability (or anything else about the hero: weapon upgrades, armour upgrades, fancy dress, any old dumb thing to do with a hero that gets people spending loot/gems/etc).
2) Treat hero upgrades like lab upgrades. That would be difficult or frustrating for some players, so consider giving them the choice to use lab time or put the hero down for the required period.
3) Include the hero in any war raids - that is, even if he is "sleeping" for whatever reason (upgrade or sleep recovery) simply have him available for war.

This is a freemium game. There will always be aspects of "pay or do without" and heroes is an perfect motivator for that. You say they're important then it should be important enough to gem. Supercell is a business not a charity.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

This is a freemium game. There will always be aspects of "pay or do without" and heroes is an perfect motivator for that. You say they're important then it should be important enough to gem. Supercell is a business not a charity.

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There's plenty of motivation there to gem hero upgrades for players with the cash to burn. Your idea is that players gem more. Lovely. Tell me exactly how supercell are showering you with appreciation for spending $10 keeping your heroes in war today.

I agree with you OP. It's one thing to have long wait times with the option of spending money to make it go faster. It's another when the "relative strength" of your clan factors in your heroes, regardless of whether they are done upgrading or not. No other "relative strength" factor works like this unless you are dumb enough to be upgrading both of your dark barracks at the same time.

Heroes are both defensive and offensive. The only building like this, is the clan castle. If the clan castle is being upgraded, it is still available for use both offensively and defensively. When a hero is being upgraded, it is only used defensively, only for clan war.

The heroes also have 39 upgrades each, more than half of which require a week of upgrade time. The time requirement is totally fine if the heroes are usable. One of the two needs to change though. Either shorter upgrade time or make them usable while upgrading. At a bare minimum, make them usable offensively for clan wars.

This is an obvious, no-brainer. I am astounded there are people arguing that they would rather pay more money. If it's that big of a deal, how about you help us make this change and in return I will allow you to donate to me the money you would have spent gemming your hero.

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Originally Posted by choczombie

There's plenty of motivation there to gem hero upgrades for players with the cash to burn. Your idea is that players gem more. Lovely. Tell me exactly how supercell are showering you with appreciation for spending $10 keeping your heroes in war today.

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i agree with you

Just in case you haven't thought about it from the perspective of your opponent in a war.... right now they are in the same boat as you - their heroes aren't available while upgrading either. I bet at some point someone attacked one of your clan's bases in war without having a hero and they fell short on the attack. One less star earned by your opponent puts you one star ahead in the war.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyPC

Just in case you haven't thought about it from the perspective of your opponent in a war.... right now they are in the same boat as you - their heroes aren't available while upgrading either. I bet at some point someone attacked one of your clan's bases in war without having a hero and they fell short on the attack. One less star earned by your opponent puts you one star ahead in the war.

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I have thought about it from that perspective. I also see the clans with th9s with level 20+ heroes that seem to have all heroes up and 80+ war wins so never seem to have taken a break from war. If progress in this game is limited to those who spend, this game dies. The tantalizing thing about this game is that progress is always possible with effort, not cash. The hero thing says that upgrading heroes now involves letting your team down for a war at a time.