Any Master 3 farmers that agrees with me? It's tough already to get one star off in master 3. When archer towers shoots twice as fast, it's game over. It's hard to do that if you are against equivalent of '12' normal archer towers minus health. It's like a nerf to barbarians and archers. Tell me what's the use of upgrading barch army to level 7? when these towers are like mini teslas that can kill a lot of low-health troops.
If I recall the math correctly only level 13 towers will be able to kill level 7 archers in one shot so there is very good reason to upgrade your barch to level 7 as that is the main way to protect your barch from most bases. All you have to do is avoid those level 10 town halls that have fully upgraded their archer towers to level 13.
You're doing the whole "this update will ruin ___" all over again. Stop speculating when you havent even seen this update in action. Remember the hog nerf? Everyone was going crazy. Just calm down
Obviously the 4th mortar didn't nerf barch/bam enough for supercell....
Think will affect barch/bam for everyone ... not just the guys in masters...
Looks like sc still pushing for people to use 'heavy'armies, which I am not adverse too, if the loot is there to make it worthwhile...
uhm, have you tried farming in master 3 using those armies?Quote:
Originally Posted by erethizon
I'm calm, lol. I'm curious with the opinions of my fellow master 3 farmers :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomaster1275
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Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
May be i am not good enough on attacks, but BAM is already quite hard in master 2 i am constantly moving from 2800 and 2900 even if i almost always attack to win, sometimes i just can't
It did mention the DPS are gonna be the same.
If i'm not mistaken :o:o
Ok good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
Nope, it says the damage is still the same. It shoots twice as fast tho :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SpiritKiller
not sure if it really matters, dps is what counts,, if its still the same then for all i care they can shoot a 100 archers per second it woulndt kill my barbs any faster then beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
No, not mistaken... However that same quote stated the reason for the change, was to deter 'hoard' armies....Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritKiller
Yes, but it is still buffing the archer towers ther will more shots but with less power in each.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritKiller
currently (totaly false figure, just for the explaination) a 50hp troops is killed by a 100dp shoot and 50 is lost
post update two 50hp troops will be dead with the same tower
When do you see anyone use a hog army now? Hogs were directly nerfed by the big bomb damage and indirectly by unlureable heroes, anyone that tries hogs on me loses probably half or 3/4 of them mid-base just to my heroes. Skeleton traps were the nail in the coffin for hogs. Hogs are effectively dead against any decently laid out th9/10. Let's be honest, it's in SC best interest to push for big armies, entices people to boost barracks and spell factories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomaster1275
correct Damage per Second is unchanged, Damage per shot is therefore halvedQuote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
Not really! SC is just trying to balance out the game by doiing little tweaks
ok thanks, i just based it off on this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddy
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...real-or-a-fake
it says total damage is unchanged, while it shoots twice as fast.
However, troops weakened by say, a mortar, would be killed twice as fast with the new archer tower vs the old.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiNatale
Lets see... about 3 of our maxed th9s got 3 starred in war including myself. And no, we dont have bad layouts. Have you heard of holowiwi? How many people do you see lure with hogs nowadays? Ive seen plenty of maxed th10s 3 starred by hogs. Rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belvik
If you watched the video, you can say that this is a nerf for witch and hound, since the units they spawn are killed 2x faster now by the Archer Tower. But this is applicable only to AT lv 13.
I want to watch the vid, whose youtuber uploaded that video?Quote:
Originally Posted by areizer0
Hordes of goblins will be easier to kill as well.
is this confirmed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by areizer0
It's okay let's all farm with gowipe! :D
Sorry if I misspost this but, what means "BAM" and BARCH"?
Thanks a lot.
BAM - Barbarians, Archers, Minions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kapox
Barch - Barbarians and Archers.
People said barching was dead with the 4th morthr :O
No, it says the archers will shoot twice as fast but do half the dmg. It should be the same dps as before.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
Can you give me a link, where you get that? I based it on a post here. It doesn't say it will do half damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomie
You are complaining you wont be able to destory(beat,raid,1star) the strongest bases in game with the weakest troops in game??
O my god, what blasphemy ..
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Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
"#3 Sneak Peek
The weather forecast in Clash predicts ARROW showers!! Twice the arrows, but each does half the damage!
Old vs. New: http://supr.cl/ArcherTower"
it even says "twice the arrows, but each does half the dmg,.....
To have the same DPS with doubles rate, you must have half damage, no need for an official post, it's just logic and mathQuote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
What? where this information?
Maybe its a good thing Barch gets demolished?
This game is designed to destroy a base not lick the outsides for 50% with weak troops.
Atleast thats what i think.
ok thanks! Someone posted a wrong info then. Haven't looked at sneak peaks yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Shroomie
Here the Link. http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...date-is-coming!Quote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
The Problem you have is the difference between Damage per Second and Damage per Shot.
Now: 1 Archer Tower shot 1 time in 1 second and got the same DamagePerSecond-Value like DamagePerShot
After Update: 1 Archer Tower shot 2 times in 1 second and got the half DamagePerShot-Value like DamagePerSecond.
Hope could help you.
comments like this are a good reason for upvoting comments. You get a Thumbs up Sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by xQQx
It would be like taking a fully upgraded TH lvl 5 with 20 lvl 1 Barbarians. Some things, while the comunity would love to see some extreme players do things like this, should not be possible. If they are then balancing the game becomes impossible.
nicely put...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim91
All good. That specific update seems to be more visually stimulating than a buff. Those flaming arrows do look cool :pQuote:
Originally Posted by NoOnetoAttack
For all those struggling to understand what the fuss is all about:
Hit to kill:
Archer tower level 10
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:2, 2, 2 (no difference)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 4, 4 (level 5 die faster)
Archer tower level 11
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:2, 2, 2 (no difference)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 3, 4 (level 5 and 6's die faster)
Archer tower level 12
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:1, 2, 2 (level 5 die faster)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 3, 3 (all die faster)
Archer tower level 13
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:1, 1, 1 (all die faster)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 1, 2, 2
new: 2, 3, 3 (level 6 and 7's die faster)
♥♥♥♥ at logic and math :rolleyes: I based it on the leaked info that i saw here:Quote:
Originally Posted by pololo
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...real-or-a-fake
So I assume that's the real case because some of the leaked info are already out in youtube.
Try to barch at master 3. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim91
It ain't that easy. We use lightning spells sometimes to get that 50%. It's challenging to get a star there, especially if you don't have heroes or cc troops.
Remember the elixir wall upgrade? People correctly speculated that it will cause a sharp decrease in elixir which was correct. Besides, one of the point in sneak peaks is the speculate/discussQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomaster1275
There's plenty but there's still a lot less hogging. It's like going from 75% hog attacks in war to 50%. Still bigQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomaster1275
Yes but 2 AT's can fire 4 times in same period, meaning both can switch to different targets, when target is dead much quicker less overkill...tower 1 killing barb, then switches to different target in range like archer can kills it one shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkpye
Factor in 7 AT's all able to switch targets in half the time, defenses will be interesting
It's main reason xbows so deadly, because theirs very little overkill on target with it's 0.01s firing speed
Been farming in M3 for a while now, using all arch.
L7 archers wont be affected except by lvl 13 at's. I honestly dont attack many guys with max ats. So it shouldnt be too much of a problem
If this info is correct, wow. More reasons to upgrade archer towers to level 13 then. That one hit kill to all archers is so deadly :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkpye
I think farming/pushing in champs with all archers is looking dodgey as lvl 13 archer towers are ubiquitous and they'll one shot maxed archers. However, with barbs tanking out front I'd expect these envelopment attacks to still be quite functional if maybe a bit less forgiving.
But the increased HP on key structures will make things "interesting" and we'll just have to see the details on that. My wild preliminary guess is that many attacks that squeaked by with 50-53% before might be losses now while anything above that likely gets a star though I can't back that up with any facts.
level 7 archers can withstand level 6 mortars, but because of this archer tower buffs, it will be easier to kill hordes of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlomie
It's still doable, but we need to be more picky now with the bases we choose, imo.
I agree, I also think that extra health of those bldgs. will slow down barch and all archers attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tohibii
In M3, if we didn't get 50%, we zap low-health bldgs. These small buffs will make it harder for us farmers in M3.
Supercell always try to have variety of combination of troops, and now, they eliminate barching or full archers, because it is not easy to make 50% in high trophies, now it will be impossible
Looks like barching for the loot bonus in Champs is dead. Shame it was a profitable way to farm.
As it should, who wants to see 75% raids with hogs, time to get creativeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sirix
Im barching in m3-m1, and dont see that many lv13 ATs. Those are where the big differences are, and really, if youve ground out 52.5M to max them all, then you should reap the benefit.
It WILL hurt, those that push with barch/all arch, or never come down from push and farm in mid-high champs, where max ATs are everywhere.
Remember, many people asked for this, or at least complained about their maxed bases not being able to fend off barch. While i feel sorry for those that put in Herculean efforts to rise insanely high in 🏆s with sc♥♥♥♥ armies, extra def balance can never be a bad thing.
Choices are, stay below the level of max ATs everywhere, or go heavier with the now very likely lv7 giant.
I farm in m2-3 with barch and all arch and it will def make things harder. The biggest problem I see with this is if it shoots twice as fast it will redirect twice as fast. Looks like my hero usage is going to have to go up...sigh. If the leaked info is totally correct looks like I might also be throwing in a few level 7 giants soon then.
barching in champ needs extreme patience in this current version of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by sj74
imo, it's not as profitable as in master 3.
Most zap walls farmers like me and others I know are in master 3 or crystal 1 league.
On a plus side, this could make lower level Archer Towers not suck when defending against dragons
What difference exactly is it going to make to high hp units, apart from possibly killing them half a second faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by willsolvit
Is that how it is in the higher levels? Where I'm at the wars are 90% dragon spamQuote:
Originally Posted by Oldskool1968
I don't think its dead so much as they raised the bar on what we need to do to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by sj74
Probably hovering around low champs and upgrading one of your heroes is kinda dead now. But with two high level heroes and solid CC troops (maxed Golem for me) I think near constants wins will still be on tap for TH10 BARCH.
Oh my bad, didn't read that the arrows do half the damageQuote:
Originally Posted by Superfinch30
You can build lvl9 (upgrade from lvl8) with lix.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddeokbokki
Well that's the problem for me. I always needed to have a hero upgrading and I'm in a fairly inactive clan so I very rarely used CC troops. On the plus side I tended to use very few spells so maybe I can compensate by using more. Less profitable that way though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tohibii
This is really bad news for barch farmers... Even if there are not too many level 13 tower in masters right now, eventually most ppl is going to upgrade it. In champs most already have maxed defense...
For the players saying that only AT13's will affect only lvl 7 archers, I wasn't aware that all bases consisted entirely of single-target archer towers and nothing else. Splash damage will weaken hoards, and that's when the increased rate of fire/rate of engaging a new target will kick in.
This will affect attacks against all TH lvls, but the most significant, noticeable change will most likely occur at TH8, as they get both that 4th mortar and 3rd wiz tower at that level.
That's what I've been saying to one poster who said it didn't affect him. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goobers
Level 6 mortars and wiz towers can't one hit kill max archers, but the Archer Towers will kill hordes of them now, twice as fast..
It will be harder for sure.
Let the updates come out first mate. Have faith in SC ;)
Well.................... We try. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by palashm
Squeal, squeal, squeal spoiled little piggies, it is time to learn how to farm with a real army again! Too long has barch been allowed to thrive and create a plethora of weak attackers unsuitable for a strong war clan. My base awaits! :)
I bet you 100% ill still Barch, Idc what SC implements, Barching is the most efficient way to get resources.
Absolutely stuipid comment. The reason people have been BARCHing endlessly is because it wasn't financially viable to build larger armies due to a bad economy.
Maybe we can wait wait for the update to be released before overreacting. Possibly see what impact it has. Just a though.
Squeeeeeeeeeal! No lix for walls and Level 12 mines/collectors means more loot in the system, so now there is no excuse for not making big, bad armies!
Yep. Me too. I'll just have to place them down quicker using all my fingers and toes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Contender
I'm still going to barch.
I noticed you haven't stated your current TH lvl, I'm guessing a th8 where there is no problem obtaining loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trancetravis
With lvl 12 collectors....more to BARCH:cool:
:D yes sure. We all will make level 12 collectors for sure :D I seen 2 base with max collectors in 100 search.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trancetravis
Economy will be same. Bcs no more inactive bases I almost never find full collectors. All active players. Or just my bad luck.
I'll wait for the update to come out first. No use worrying about it until we have more than just speculation.
Even so, with the economy balances, moving down a couple leagues might not be a problem either.
Stop looking for inactive bases and learn how to efficiently attack to get to core storages...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sladjan
I would still barch :) cuz it's the cheapest & effective troop comp
I still like batching cause the speed in which i can produce armies. Everyone though that 4 th mortar would kill barch. It didnt nothing will. Barch on brother
Barching won't change. I'll still barch. Every current barcher will still barch. Not every barcher relies on collector bases, they're just a nice bonus when they come along :)
This is really stupid. Barch has nothing to do with being a weak attacker. People farm with Barch for it is efficient. To be honest, most people I know who barch are really strong. They take on much bigger bases with tier-1 troops. and obviously they don't use Barch in Clan Wars (this particular point is extra stupid of you to say) they use full attacks. This kind of logic is seriously flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trancetravis
Seems like barch army is made to R.I.P. even before the winter updates are out.
Let them barch in peace at the present moment atleast my friends :)
That is what I do last month. That is why I say no more inactive bases. I use full attack. I forgot what barch was. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Contender
I will barch untill I die.
50 mortars? no problem
Barch away
Barch will live on!
To the op: I still barch. I will continue to. Keeps my storages full. I also put up 5-6 stars every war on equal strengthe bases to mine (mid th9). Any barch user who knows what they are doing still will as well. Your celebration might be a tad early ;). Cheers friend!
If the changes fix those loot issues that some feel they are having, I hope it does lead to more people attacking with stronger army comps. I had to catch myself, stop barching, and get reacquainted with other attack strategies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trancetravis
Absolutely foolish and ignorant comment. The main reason behind me barching is that the army gets ready in 22 mins straight. I can make an expensive army but, that, apart from decreasing the Return on Investment, decreases my total daily loot amount simply because i cannot raid as often. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogs
'Cause faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrisman24
My barch is perfectly safe.
A level 12 archer tower will only do 43 damage per shot, a level 7 archer has 48hp.
A level 13 will do 49dps, but I dont raid that many farmers with lvl 13 archer towers.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatLach
Barching in M1+ is viable but wayyy harder. In the end people will continue to really farm (no spells no heroes) with barch below M2 (2500-2700 is best range IMHO).
I think the change is great. LVL 7 giants are coming so I might just start using them again.
Yeah, different story up there. Im glad I have already made my push to 4k. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdo
Doesnt really affect farming much in 2800 and under.
I doubt it will have much of an impact really.
I guess they are taking baby steps to avoid upsetting the Barch bores, but the sooner it is truly killed off the better imo.
It is shameful that the game has descended into spamming the two most basic troops in the game for so many players
https://i.imgflip.com/f3swo.jpg
I don't mean to toot my own horn but... My paint skills at their best. ;)
Why aren't you the lead graphic designer for supercell? I just cant work it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrisman24
They are trying to get people out of the Barching habit. Loonion is more fun anyway and works better in masters.
I disagree with this. But we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatLach
barching is already hard in master 3, in higher leagues than that you have to press the boring "next button" more to choose the right bases. Will be easily doable if you have heroes, which I guess you always use in your attacks. CC troops will greatly help barching as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trancetravis
Supercell realized where one of the loot problems laid, but they didn't understand how it caused the problem it did. The adjustment to lix for walls will put any issues that TH7/8s had farming to rest, as they will not be able to dump elixir out of the economy. But TH9/10s can still remove up to all of their elixir from their storages, totally unrestricted, as SC merely changed the lvl of walls that can be upgraded, but not the stipulations for when elixir can be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yungboi
TH9s will be able to farm TH8s with elixir in storages once again, so it eases the pain on them at bit, albeit not for attacking other TH9s.
This did nothing to address the problems players are facing at TH10.
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Orrrrrr, I am th10 and I farm with loons in M2... and loot is barely acceptable but passable due to the league bonus...
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Originally Posted by Nogs