Barch/BAM/All archers will be dead at Master 3 because of the archer tower buffs

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Originally Posted by Tim91

Maybe its a good thing Barch gets demolished?

This game is designed to destroy a base not lick the outsides for 50% with weak troops.

Atleast thats what i think.

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Try to barch at master 3. lol.

It ain't that easy. We use lightning spells sometimes to get that 50%. It's challenging to get a star there, especially if you don't have heroes or cc troops.

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Originally Posted by Tomaster1275

You're doing the whole "this update will ruin ___" all over again. Stop speculating when you havent even seen this update in action. Remember the hog nerf? Everyone was going crazy. Just calm down

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Remember the elixir wall upgrade? People correctly speculated that it will cause a sharp decrease in elixir which was correct. Besides, one of the point in sneak peaks is the speculate/discuss

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Originally Posted by Tomaster1275

Lets see... about 3 of our maxed th9s got 3 starred in war including myself. And no, we dont have bad layouts. Have you heard of holowiwi? How many people do you see lure with hogs nowadays? Ive seen plenty of maxed th10s 3 starred by hogs. Rest my case.

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There's plenty but there's still a lot less hogging. It's like going from 75% hog attacks in war to 50%. Still big

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Originally Posted by Darkpye

For all those struggling to understand what the fuss is all about:

Hit to kill:

Archer tower level 10
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:2, 2, 2 (no difference)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 4, 4 (level 5 die faster)

Archer tower level 11

against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:2, 2, 2 (no difference)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 3, 4 (level 5 and 6's die faster)

Archer tower level 12
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:1, 2, 2 (level 5 die faster)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 3, 3 (all die faster)

Archer tower level 13
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:1, 1, 1 (all die faster)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 1, 2, 2
new: 2, 3, 3 (level 6 and 7's die faster)

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Yes but 2 AT's can fire 4 times in same period, meaning both can switch to different targets, when target is dead much quicker less overkill...tower 1 killing barb, then switches to different target in range like archer can kills it one shot.

Factor in 7 AT's all able to switch targets in half the time, defenses will be interesting

It's main reason xbows so deadly, because theirs very little overkill on target with it's 0.01s firing speed

Been farming in M3 for a while now, using all arch.

L7 archers wont be affected except by lvl 13 at's. I honestly dont attack many guys with max ats. So it shouldnt be too much of a problem

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Originally Posted by Darkpye

For all those struggling to understand what the fuss is all about:

Hit to kill:

Archer tower level 10
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:2, 2, 2 (no difference)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 4, 4 (level 5 die faster)

Archer tower level 11

against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:2, 2, 2 (no difference)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 3, 4 (level 5 and 6's die faster)

Archer tower level 12
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:1, 2, 2 (level 5 die faster)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 2, 2, 2
new: 3, 3, 3 (all die faster)

Archer tower level 13
against archers levels 5, 6, 7
old:1, 1, 1
new:1, 1, 1 (all die faster)
against barbs level 5, 6, 7
old: 1, 2, 2
new: 2, 3, 3 (level 6 and 7's die faster)

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If this info is correct, wow. More reasons to upgrade archer towers to level 13 then. That one hit kill to all archers is so deadly :eek:

I think farming/pushing in champs with all archers is looking dodgey as lvl 13 archer towers are ubiquitous and they'll one shot maxed archers. However, with barbs tanking out front I'd expect these envelopment attacks to still be quite functional if maybe a bit less forgiving.

But the increased HP on key structures will make things "interesting" and we'll just have to see the details on that. My wild preliminary guess is that many attacks that squeaked by with 50-53% before might be losses now while anything above that likely gets a star though I can't back that up with any facts.

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Originally Posted by shlomie

Been farming in M3 for a while now, using all arch.

L7 archers wont be affected except by lvl 13 at's. I honestly dont attack many guys with max ats. So it shouldnt be too much of a problem

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level 7 archers can withstand level 6 mortars, but because of this archer tower buffs, it will be easier to kill hordes of them.

It's still doable, but we need to be more picky now with the bases we choose, imo.

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Originally Posted by Tohibii

I think farming/pushing in champs with all archers is looking dodgey as lvl 13 archer towers are ubiquitous and they'll one shot maxed archers. However, with barbs tanking out front I'd expect these envelopment attacks to still be quite functional if maybe a bit less forgiving.

But the increased HP on key structures will make things "interesting" and we'll just have to see the details on that. My wild preliminary guess is that many attacks that squeaked by with 50-53% before might be losses now while anything above that likely gets a star though I can't back that up with any facts.

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I agree, I also think that extra health of those bldgs. will slow down barch and all archers attacks.

In M3, if we didn't get 50%, we zap low-health bldgs. These small buffs will make it harder for us farmers in M3.

Supercell always try to have variety of combination of troops, and now, they eliminate barching or full archers, because it is not easy to make 50% in high trophies, now it will be impossible

Looks like barching for the loot bonus in Champs is dead. Shame it was a profitable way to farm.