Lightning Spell Reduced Damage When Used on Storages

Ok, read the sticky and didn't see this and there was a LOT to read.

As the title suggests, it is my belief, as well as many others within the CoC community, that having full damage on lightning spells when dropped on very full storages (especially when used by someone 2 TH's lower than you) encourages lazy farming and is considered by some, un-fair.

I would like to offer a suggestion: Create a 50% reduced damage when lightning spells are dropped on storages, while keeping full potency on all neighboring buildings. So if I attack you and you have a level 7 mortar placed next to your DE storage, I would drop 2 lightning spells on your mortar, to remove it from the battle. This would "steal" DE as well and is considered collateral damage.

Lets say the lightning overlap takes 400DE from your storage (it was pretty full), well, with my suggestion as part of the game you will only lose 200DE. And furthermore, if someone decides to waste 4 lightning spells on your DE storage they would get half of the numbers you have been seeing in your replays, all the while keeping the spells true value when removing defenses or battling clan castle reinforcements.

I am currently TH9 and carry 4 level 5 lightning spells at all times. Mostly they never get used, but on occasion I find a base that is a little "too well" defended and will take out 1 or 2 splash defenses (2 spells each) to help make way for my full attack.

In closing, having 50% reduced damage when lightning spells are used on storages would help balance the game and stop penalizing players with strong bases that have accumulated large amounts of otherwise hard to reach resources in their storages. The lightning spell only attack has increased since reducing creation time to 30mins per spell.

Lightning spells are ready useless against storages! Dont know why noob waste 4 spell on a storage....

I don't work for supercell, yet even I begin to sigh in frustration as I see yet another new thread about this...

Just, just....read all the other threads about it; there is -quite literally- close to a hundred already there! Post the no doubt ingenious idea you have in one of those threads...

No, just no.

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Originally Posted by X11blaasbak

I don't work for supercell, yet even I begin to sigh in frustration as I see yet another new thread about this...

Just, just....read all the other threads about it; there is -quite literally- close to a hundred already there! Post the no doubt ingenious idea you have in one of those threads...

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You should actually contribute...

And I have seen hundreds of people complaining and crying and have yet to see anyone actually try to formulate an idea to keep these low skill players from continuing what they are doing..

This was not as much of a reply to you, but a reply for the benefit of other readers who actually want to have an adult conversation about what "could" be done. I am personally not so worried, as I always have more resources at the end of the day than I started with...

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Originally Posted by Sweslo

Lightning spells are ready useless against storages! Dont know why noob waste 4 spell on a storage....

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Yep, I agree completely I laugh every time someone spends 60k-80k gold to steal 500-1000 DE. :)

But you don't feel their loss, only yours, so yeah just a thought...

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Originally Posted by dominic115

No, just no.

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That would mess up your DE raiding huh? Interested to hear an "actual" response :)

I dont mind the mass lightning spells, now that I have the AQ. Prior to this it got a bit frustrating being hit like this, when so close to earning that hero. And yes, I think that those who fight against any nerfing of the lightning spell are those who habitually use it in this lazy manner. I logged out of the game about an hour ago to read some threads here while my troops were cooking. Went back ten minutes later and a simpleton revenges me with four lvl 5 lightnings. My base is set up with most storage in the center, though a bit spread out. He stole 50k/60k/600. Not only lost on this attempt, but combined with my original raid, he failed terribly.

So many people are raging while Rager isn't. The problem is that th7 has no alternative for bk. They have no drill and just a storage. It's like the cycle of life, you are born at th7, raised by the TH9, and you soon become a TH8 with not much need to lightning anymore. Then at th9 it is your duty to raise the TH7.

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Originally Posted by Herpacleese

I dont mind the mass lightning spells, now that I have the AQ. Prior to this it got a bit frustrating being hit like this, when so close to earning that hero. And yes, I think that those who fight against any nerfing of the lightning spell are those who habitually use it in this lazy manner. I logged out of the game about an hour ago to read some threads here while my troops were cooking. Went back ten minutes later and a simpleton revenges me with four lvl 5 lightnings. My base is set up with most storage in the center, though a bit spread out. He stole 50k/60k/600. Not only lost on this attempt, but combined with my original raid, he failed terribly.

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Agreed, but I think the world, on several occasions has had to step in and create "policies" to combat the minority of people who mess things up. My question would be, why should this be any different. Again, we do not feel their loss, we can point and laugh at their failures, but I am proposing a peaceful and quiet solution. :)

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Originally Posted by Rager

So many people are raging while Rager isn't. The problem is that th7 has no alternative for bk. They have no drill and just a storage. It's like the cycle of life, you are born at th7, raised by the TH9, and you soon become a TH8 with not much need to lightning anymore. Then at th9 it is your duty to raise the TH7.

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Lot's of rage, huh rager? (not you) I agree, too many heated emotions over this issue.

When I was TH7, I just purchased my BK with gems for DE, which worked fine. My son, worked his tail off raiding like crazy, hitting 200/200 plus at all times with an occasional score of DE. I have no interest in raising TH7's, although I have to admit, I loved reading your post, very creative writing.

I know the feeling, the majority of revenge attacks I get are lighting spell attacks on my DE storage, no one ever attacks me for real. I always has mass amounts of DE so I lose about 4000-6000 DE from lighting spell attackers each day. Before you say "if you get lightning-ed so much, why carry all the DE?" I have an answer to you, my hero upgrades are both above 45,000 DE, so I have no choice. I have my storage at level5, upgrading to level6 soon to minimize the lightning spell damage. However there isn't a way to combat that other than the measures I have taken. I get tired of it, I keep it to myself, but it is very annoying. Even though I earn x amount of DE per day, I only make a small profit of what I am actually earning.

I think many people in this thread are opposed to the OP's proposition because either they use the lightning on DE tactic or they don't experience it much themselves. This problem mainly affects very high level TH9's and perhaps maxed out TH8's, so don't be so quick to say we are just whiners, I know there are lots of threads complaining about the problem, but until you experience it for yourself and see the real severity of the problem, I suggest you don't say anything at all

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Originally Posted by Djemerson13

I know the feeling, the majority of revenge attacks I get are lighting spell attacks on my DE storage, no one ever attacks me for real. I always has mass amounts of DE so I lose about 4000-6000 DE from lighting spell attackers each day. Before you say "if you get lightning-ed so much, why carry all the DE?" I have an answer to you, my hero upgrades are both above 45,000 DE, so I have no choice. I have my storage at level5, upgrading to level6 soon to minimize the lightning spell damage. However there isn't a way to combat that other than the measures I have taken. I get tired of it, I keep it to myself, but it is very annoying. Even though I earn x amount of DE per day, I only make a small profit of what I am actually earning.

I think many people in this thread are opposed to the OP's proposition because either they use the lightning on DE tactic or they don't experience it much themselves. This problem mainly affects very high level TH9's and perhaps maxed out TH8's, so don't be so quick to say we are just whiners, I know there are lots of threads complaining about the problem, but until you experience it for yourself and see the real severity of the problem, I suggest you don't say anything at all

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I am glad to know there are some people who not only feel the same as me, but are not afraid to speak up about it. As far as I am concerned, Supercell can keep my $500+ dollars I have invested in their game and I will keep playing it, but will refrain on spending more money, which I had full intended on doing. But, I will mention that when you invest money in product "A" and are delivered product "B" you can't help but feel a little mis-lead and even a victim of false advertising...

I don't expect for everyone to understand what I'm referring to, but the lightning spell times have been reduced twice, from 2hrs down to 1hr and now down to 30mins per spell, leaving the door wide open for multiple attacks from LS alone from players with little to no skill when it comes to strategy.. Remind me again the point of building a strong base just to lose 3,138 DE to 8 lvl 3 lightning spells in a 2.5hr window??

I think the easiest solution to this is that players with th 8 and 9 raise their trophy count above where most th 7 cluster.
(usually around 1400-1600 trophies)

If you have a 40k+ de upgrade that means you have a well developed th8 base so you should be able to move your trophies up. If you are looking to farm at lower leagues, lightning attacks are a risk you are taking.

At the same time be very careful what type of base you are about to raid. You can easily tell if a th 7 is de farming so when you attack these bases there is a high probability that they will lightning revenge your de storage if you have a lot stored.

Or, they could just give th8 and up a second de vat.

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Originally Posted by Wizardfan

Or, they could just give th8 and up a second de vat.

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might work too, or just increase the drill's storage capacity, that would decentralize their de

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Originally Posted by Djemerson13

I know the feeling, the majority of revenge attacks I get are lighting spell attacks on my DE storage, no one ever attacks me for real. I always has mass amounts of DE so I lose about 4000-6000 DE from lighting spell attackers each day. Before you say "if you get lightning-ed so much, why carry all the DE?" I have an answer to you, my hero upgrades are both above 45,000 DE, so I have no choice. I have my storage at level5, upgrading to level6 soon to minimize the lightning spell damage. However there isn't a way to combat that other than the measures I have taken. I get tired of it, I keep it to myself, but it is very annoying. Even though I earn x amount of DE per day, I only make a small profit of what I am actually earning.

I think many people in this thread are opposed to the OP's proposition because either they use the lightning on DE tactic or they don't experience it much themselves. This problem mainly affects very high level TH9's and perhaps maxed out TH8's, so don't be so quick to say we are just whiners, I know there are lots of threads complaining about the problem, but until you experience it for yourself and see the real severity of the problem, I suggest you don't say anything at all

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I agree that the people who aren't complain drop 3 lightning spells all the damn time. They see nothing wrong with it. However when their higher up and start getting hit by these stupid spells, they'll be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too.

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Originally Posted by Sweslo

Lightning spells are ready useless against storages! Dont know why noob waste 4 spell on a storage....

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I am a noob and I got the Barbarian King. in 5 days with lightning. Your statement is invalid.

I see it is wrong and will be doing it no more. Any way, I have no use for dark elixir any more

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Originally Posted by Bhsu21

I agree that the people who aren't complain drop 3 lightning spells all the damn time. They see nothing wrong with it. However when their higher up and start getting hit by these stupid spells, they'll be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ too.

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This is the real key here my friend, you hit the nail on the head! And, to elaborate slightly, the sad thing is I am sure these are the same people that in all walks of life want the rules to make things easier for them in the moment, rather than a linear permanent change.

Meaning, in the entire spectrum, they are saying don't change it yet while it still benefits me... i.e. any unfair advantage they want it.

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Originally Posted by Elothean

I think the easiest solution to this is that players with th 8 and 9 raise their trophy count above where most th 7 cluster.
(usually around 1400-1600 trophies)

If you have a 40k+ de upgrade that means you have a well developed th8 base so you should be able to move your trophies up. If you are looking to farm at lower leagues, lightning attacks are a risk you are taking.

At the same time be very careful what type of base you are about to raid. You can easily tell if a th 7 is de farming so when you attack these bases there is a high probability that they will lightning revenge your de storage if you have a lot stored.

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This is an interesting idea, but depending on what your level is, I am not so sure you are able to understand what it is we are referring to. For me being 1,700-2,000 trophies holds no benefit from a battle with resource profit stand point. Also, TH7's are everywhere, as well as 9's and 6's, so again, a little hard to pin point.

I think the point I was making, in case you missed it, was in respect to the damage lightning spells do to storages, not DE specifically (although that is the typical hot button) and certainly not raid styles or preferred trophy ranges.

Personally, I will not attack a TH7 unless they have 250k + of each resource, which with the penalty means, most of the time, they are abandoned anyway. (can only steal max 200k from storage w/ 50% penalty bringing total to about 100k each)

I would be interested to hear why you would and why you would not agree specifically with what this thread was intended for.

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Originally Posted by CharlotteGundersen

I am a noob and I got the Barbarian King. in 5 days with lightning. Your statement is invalid.

I see it is wrong and will be doing it no more. Any way, I have no use for dark elixir any more

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Charlotte, it is in the game, so really can't be considered "wrong" to lightning spell storages. I think it is more of a pet peeve that has turned into a huge problem since introducing DE (and being ridiculous to find decent amounts) and dropping not once, but twice the spell creation times.

Personally, I am willing to deal and cope with the way it is, I just feel as though it is a problem caused by Supercell and has not been researched appropriately by them to see if indeed it does need correcting...

I would suggest that lightning still do the same dmg to storage but get no resource from it...

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Originally Posted by SuperJia

I would suggest that lightning still do the same dmg to storage but get no resource from it...

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Good idea :) Never thought of that.

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Originally Posted by SolSource

This is an interesting idea, but depending on what your level is, I am not so sure you are able to understand what it is we are referring to. For me being 1,700-2,000 trophies holds no benefit from a battle with resource profit stand point. Also, TH7's are everywhere, as well as 9's and 6's, so again, a little hard to pin point.

I think the point I was making, in case you missed it, was in respect to the damage lightning spells do to storages, not DE specifically (although that is the typical hot button) and certainly not raid styles or preferred trophy ranges.

Personally, I will not attack a TH7 unless they have 250k + of each resource, which with the penalty means, most of the time, they are abandoned anyway. (can only steal max 200k from storage w/ 50% penalty bringing total to about 100k each)

I would be interested to hear why you would and why you would not agree specifically with what this thread was intended for.

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Because it makes the de more valuable, it's rarity and how easily it can be stolen. That also makes players w high level AQ and barbking rare. I think that's the way the developers intended it to be. At the same time they made de units available at th7 even tho they have no pumps wc means they are meant to attack players w higher th. also I kinda like the challenge