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Lots of players and clans name themselves after specific terrorists, terror istorganizations, and philosophies used to promote terrorism, including: Bin Laden, Al Baghdadi, Al Queda, Al Nusra, Isis, Isil, Islamic State, or any name with Mujahidin or jihad in it.
SC should not let its game be used as a platform to promote terrorism and terrorist organizations. Please ban these names.
These are trolls.
Real terrorist have better things to do than playing a mobile game...
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Originally Posted by AxionXD
Exactly. The names are not serious and being used satirically. By deleting/banning those names, you're letting terrorism win. Terrorists should be mocked and not feared.
Some of them are, but some of them might be kids who look up to terrorists but are too young to join, or college kids who fantasize about running off to fight for ISIS but aren't ready to... yet. Some could even be recruiters. A video game is a good platform for reaching young people, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxionXD
Anyway, trolls or not, I don't think SC should condone such naming practices.
This is where you kinda really put my back up. Not all Islams are terrorists and so having clan names like Islamic State or Jihad or even a username with Muhammad- just anything like that is fine! Its their religion!Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
Regarding those who have names like Bin Laden etc. they're just trolls. Simply take a screen shot and report it to Super Cell if you take offense to it.
Honestly, if you are a college kid in the US and are somehow recruited to join an Islamic terrorist organization through an mobile gaming app... well, have fun fighting and dying against our overwhelming force.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
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They warned you about that...they don't condone terrorism per se. Its all about viewpoints. Although worldwide some are recognized as terrorist organizations, there are some that believe that what they are doing is fulfilling the works of a higher power, making it technically a religious organization with very radical members. People also believe that the FBI, NSA, etc are all domestic terrorists based on the allegations put against them and the whole Eric Snowden incident but we still revere them as authority. Like i said, it all depends on personal viewpoints and worldwide views.
Exactly, cant believe I'm agreeing with you, you damn zapper :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HiFliya
To the OP, people have the right to name themselves whatever they want as long as its not directly offensive. The game will not engage in politics just to please you, but your comment on the other hand is islamophobic and people may take offense form it, so this thread may be closed :rolleyes:
Ok, this is religionist. This is a huge stereotype for Muslims.
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Originally Posted by Gama321
I am not islamophobic. I am fine with any religion, as long as they don't think that the way to please god is through slavery, forced conversions, torture, etc. Religion isn't a free-for-all that you can use to justify whatever you want.
I'm against all kinds of racist and terrorist behavior, not just those related to Muslims. Some clans are called Nazi and KKK also, and I don't think SC should allow that either.
I really don't get your "as long as it isn't directly offensive" comment. What could be more offensive than a group that advocates cutting people's hands off for smoking, stoning people who commit adultery, raping and enslaving women captured in battle? Are you trying to say that this is not offensive but a name containing profanity would be? I have to disagree.
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Originally Posted by FireThief
Exactly what I said- its wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dylgold2000
haha differences aside on Zapping, religion is one of the few subjects I believe are unalienable. No matter the religion or the radicals in said religion, there will always be better people than them. the media spotlight rarely shows the positive things that religions have done, only the extremists that cause terror. Christians and Catholics can also be at fault for things like these. Just because these organizations are looked down upon today, people seem to forget about the Crusades. Christian warriors were tasked with purging Muslims from the Holy Lands and that's what they did. All because they thought they were righteous and that their God will forgive them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
For those who say all of those clans are trolls...Some may be real, they might use them for communication unmonitored by the U.S government. Wait a min...Does the U.S government monitor Clash of clans? Anyway they can use clans to recruit terrorists in real life.
Lol how would they recruit? Global? or through the Clan Description? or do they have an ad for their clan in the news?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brick2025
Not supposed to be offensive, but if it does offend you that i poke fun at people who think that a Terrorist Organization can reliably recruit, communicate, and organize globally through an unsecured mobile app.
Right, and you shouldn't be allowed to name your clan the crusaders either. The main difference between crusaders and jihadists is that crusaders are historical figures while jihadists continue to operate today, but one is not worse than the other, and neither should be promoted through a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiFliya
When people start using religion as an excuse for ♥♥♥♥ and murder, than f their religious rights.
Well cmon. you have to admit that the Crusaders are a pretty bomb name, and can have several different meanings. Just because a word has an infamous history doesn't mean that it should be disallowed. Jihad is just a word to the Muslims as Crusade is to english speaking people. Sc isn't promoting either one, its the players doing so, SC has the right (not the duty) to shut them down at anytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
You're just showing yourself to be extremely ignorant, safe to assume you're American at this point :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
I don't think anyone called jihadists or crusaders are using religion as an excuse to raid your village, and even if they are so what? Why do you have to start being so prejudiced and offensive towards them?
You also seem to have ignored peoples posts about the ToS and how not everyone has to have the same political views as you do.
Terrorists will do ANYTHING to avoid the NSA. You are too ignorant to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiFliya
Public venues with too much traffic to be monitored is the lifeblood of clandestine groups. Call them terrorists, revolutionaries or whatever you want. With no proof one way or the other you are spot on that clash is the type of communication tool that they thrive on in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brick2025
Specific to this thread I doubt any of the incredibly low percentage of Muslims that make up their extremist/terrorist population would advertise their presence here if they were in fact using CoC to send messages. It would be sort of self defeating. As for all of the names you see . . . this is a game designed around war/conflict that is played by keyboard commando's across the world. If this is the worst you see, consider yourself lucky. Just report them and move on.
Obviously, you don't know me and my beliefs as this is the Internet. I agree with you that Terrorists will go to the end of the world to avoid the NSA, DHS, CIA etc. But if they are resorting to Mobile gaming apps for devoted members, that's literally scraping the bottom of the barrel for methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brick2025
note that i said reliably. if they are openly saying things via clan/global users can report them to SC and not get an automated response, and from there SC would report this to the proper authorities ie Finnish authority as this would be an international dispute
Just in case part of your understanding came from my earlier post, I was not referring to recruitment efforts. Only using it as a communication tool between members already collaborating on their nefarious deeds. CoC is a great venue for that. Member recruitment . . . not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiFliya
I was more focused at the post before yours. Tbh I didn't see your post till after i posted, and i fullheartedly agree with that sentiment. With SC having the burden of proof against the defendants, they will have a hard time proving the legitimacy of the motives of the communication whether they are true or just really bad trolls. Clan chat, given that its restricted to members only, is moderately secure to prevent those without access or the software and desire to, from peeking in. game chats are pretty much private and are deleted after a certain number of messages so its superhard to track unless SC records it all...Quote:
Originally Posted by iceageg
My main concern is that these clans provide places for people with terrorist sympathies to congregate anonymously, and find other like-minded people who will influence them.
For instance, suppose some kid from a small town somewhere joins a clan named after al-baghdadi. He thinks ISIS is cool, but it's just something he hears about on the news; he doesn't know anyone involved in it, and doesn't seriosly consider joining it. To him, liking ISIS is just a way of being a rebel, and it's just a game, so he doesn't think much of it. But then there are a few in the clan who are serious about it. Those more serous members are saving their money to go to Syria to join the fight, and they talk about it in clan chat. Now ISIS isn't just something the kid hears about in the news; every day he interacts with people who plan on joining. To him it sounds like a great adventure. He'll be graduating from high school soon, and he doesn't really feel like going to uni or getting a job. He starts thinking more and more about going to Syria himself. He asks about it in the clan chat, and his clan mates glamorize it and encourage him to go....
This kid is starting down the path of becoming a terrorist, and the game is facilitating it.
I prefer zapping threads to the extreme paranoia and stereotyping being spewed on here.
Why don't we ban anything referring to red? Those dirty commies are waiting in the wings. Their evil plot is coming to fruition. You're so concerned with the terrorists that the commies can now recruit freely on Clash of Clans.
You may be offended by certain words and terms, but im pretty sure almost every country (minus North Korea) has freedom of speech. Unless that clan physically harms you or threatens you it is just a name, it is just a term, it is just a joke
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Originally Posted by TiiTO
Bet they said the same thing about that silly little man who wanted to start a revolution in a beer hall in 1923 Germany..... It's just free speech........ He's harmless.... It's a joke......
There are thousands of young men from other countries, including Europe and the Americas, going to join ISIS's fight in Syria and Iraq. That's not paranoia, it's just the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
Nor is there any stereotyping going on. Nobody accused Muslims in general of being terrorist, or anything of the sort. But the fact remains that there is a small minority who relate to these terrorist groups. Just because they are statistically small in number doesn't mean we should ignore them.
You are associating anything to do with Muslims with terrorists. That's stereotyping.
I could just as easily say I'm offended by your screen name. How do I know you're not on here recruiting for the IRA? With a name like paddyflynn, that seems very suspicious to me.
No I am not. I am simply associating certain individuals and groups, as well as the the of jihad, with terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
And you can accurately spot terrorists without error? Well that's great. Otherwise you are doing exactly that. There is no other way, just like I said I could see your Irish name and have suspicions of IRA activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
By the way, this will be my last post on this thread. I have no interested getting invested in a thread that is likely to result in people getting nasty and probable bannings.
If you're offended, fine. Report them. But you've gone way off the deep end with conspiracy theories. And this is a global game. Have you considered that it's not centered around Western culture? There's stuff that could be offensive to everyone.
No, you shouldn't be suspicious of me because of my name just because it is Irish, but if I named my clan the IRA you would be safe to assume something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba061
I never accused everyone having an Muslim name of being terrorist. I only said that people shouldn't be allowed to name themselves after known terrorists or terrorist groups.
I guess your point is that non-terrorists could also have these names? That may be true, just like a non-Nazi might have the last name Hitler. But if my last name happened to be Hitler, I wouldn't use it as my in game name, because I wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea. I hope people anyone whose last name happened to be Bin Laden or Al-Baghdadi would do likewise.
You are expecting people to hide their name in shame because you said so?Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
I don't know why anyone would assume that these folks are not peaceful, desiring nothing more that to live and let live... Some are even nice enough to express thier peaceful intention in thier clan names or description...
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Jihad doesnt mean terrorism, only to Americans it does it seems, to people like you any word of a foreighn language probably amounts to terrorismQuote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
I dont see why you would upload a pic of someone supporting Hamas. Again the game doesnt support a particular political view point, it would lose profits from that. In that case they may as well ban anything related to israel as they keep blowing up hospitals and schools in Palestine. Or block anything related to USA for all the atrocities commited in places like Vietnam during the Cold War. We can get into a whole popitical debate about it but no, this is a game, go read the ToS.Quote:
Originally Posted by THNSUM
First, a jihad is a war against those who refuse to submit to islam. It is the same thing as the christian crusaders, and it is a form of terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
Secondly, jihad is also the justification that islamic terrorist groups use for their activities.
Merriem Webster:Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
In Islam, the central doctrine that calls on believers to combat the enemies of their religion. According to the Qur'an and the Hadith, jihad is a duty that may be fulfilled in four ways: by the heart, the tongue, the hand, or the sword. The first way (known in Sufism as the “greater jihad”) involves struggling against evil desires. The ways of the tongue and hand call for verbal defense and right actions. The jihad of the sword involves waging war against enemies of Islam. Believers contend that those who die in combat become martyrs and are guaranteed a place in paradise. In the 20th and 21st centuries the concept of jihad has sometimes been used as an ideological weapon in the effort to combat Western influences and secular governments and to establish an ideal Islamic society.
it looks like only one part of that has anything to do with war, and this doesn't mean it is terrorism, otherwise Americans are the biggest terrorists on the planet, since gaining independence only a few hundred years ago they have gone to war with pretty much everyone all across the globe.
So to say it again, stop being so ignorant, stop forcing your own deluded opinions on to others, stop trying to politicise the game and trying to get the game to enforce your ignorant views.
Also last I checked terrorists are allowed to play this game too, so what's wrong with them having a clan :rolleyes:
Guys we are a global forum with many different view points - that's a good thing.
We DO need to stay on topic though - Should SC allow players and clans named after terrorists?
We should stay away from a debate about what defines terrorists/freedom fighters etc please, this is a gaming forum not a political debate forum.
My 2c - any offensive name should be banned and a clan or player named after a terrorist would come under that but it needs the community to play their part in reporting it.
But terrorists are people too and it is only natural that other people share those names. Reporting someone who happens to share the same name as a terrorist seems unacceptable and completely unnecessary to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Daddy
Sure if it is a common name I agree with you but the question is whether or not they (i.e. intentionally offensive/contentious names) should be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
Lol well we did become a poli debate forum for a bit there didnt we. I agree with you on this, but what about words or phrases that have twisted meanings because of global events? For instance the example of jihad. Some will say it calls for active violence while some say it calls for an inner struggle? Would that just be a judgement call on SCs/players to determine the purpose behind the word?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddy
We should stop acting like that.. it not a problem about clans.... It there own will, not that they will make any difference however if they started to do suspicious activity on the forums and global ... Then they should be taken down
You do realize Christianity condones that stuff too.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
So should a player named Christian be banned.
There are good parts to every religion; the bad just gets displayed while people ignore the good.
Its true that there might be people born with the same name as a terrorist. As for names such as Isis or jihad etc those are unacceptableQuote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
oh FFS.
is this real?
it cant be.
ive seen some dumb posts in my time over many different forums, but man, this has to take the cake.
FOX news has really done a number on you if you are so scared and afraid of someone in a video game with the name of bin laden, or a clan name relating to some jihadist movement.
do you honestly believe that these people are recruiting in a mobile game app?
do you honestly think that someone is gonna join a clan with the name of some jihadist movement so they can go to isis?
paranoid much?
in the end its like this, just because you are offended, does not mean you are right.
would someone please close this ridiculously nonsensical thread.
I think people join these clans because they are sympathetic to the cause. Why else would they join those clans, when there are so many alternatives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinner7980
If I were recruiting for a terrorist organization, and I knew that there was a clan of 30 or 40 sympathizers playing a certain game, I'd see that as an opportunity to make some contacts.
Names like, 'Al-Baghdadi' or 'Bin Laden' are others people's name too.
'Al-Baghdadi' can refer to alot of people, as it means 'from Baghdad'.
'Bin Laden' means 'son of Laden'.
Though, I do agree as clans with names, such as 'IS' should be dealt with.
What is being said is that everyone has different viewpoints and ideas about what is morally right and wrong. The Maori used to eat thie enemy's flesh after a battle if they had no food to sustain them on the way back. It wasn't cannibalism. They just needed meat and their dead enemy provided them that. Viewpoints.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
US citizens are like a flock of sheep.. You respond so well to propaganda. You think you're independent and unaffected by it but everything you know about these terrorist groups comes from the news. The news is utterly controlled by the government. They want you to be paranoid so that their inhumane actions in the middle east continue to get support. The terrorists aren't the real threat. Its the government placing the terror in your hearts.
If a child looks up 'Bin Laden' or any other terrorist name in the 'clan search', they ALREADY know about it...
And people can still talk about terrorism in the chat... Your "solution" would solve nothing.
Totally agree with this, during the American election campaign there was some stupid ad by republicans about Obama shaking hands with Putin, that Obama had Russian sympathies and was 'handing America over to Russia' and communism. We all know about the rampant propaganda that happened during the Cold War but this is the 21st century, I was astounded that they still feed that sort of ♥♥♥♥ to the public. As soon as the war against fascism was over they started the war against communism, since Russia collapsed they needed a new war, so they went with the 'war against terrorism' as their justification to dominate global relationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Coloradokiwiboy
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Originally Posted by Gama321
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Now read the title of this thread and read what you highlighted. I will allow you to connect the dots yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by THNSUM
go pander your fear mongering elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyflynn
this is completely baseless and without merit
do you have one shred of evidence to support your wildishly and outlandish claim that terrorists are recruiting from the clans in clash of clans?
ill take just one piece of evidence.
until you provide such evidence, and are able to substantiate your nonsensical claims, ♥♥♥♥.
would a moderator please close this stupid thread?
this is a video game for mobile devices
this is a forum supporting that game, religion and politics have no place here, except maybe in the off topic subforum.
You think they CUT peoples Hands just cuz they smoke ?? im currently living in a muslim country and whete every i go there is at least 3-4 dudes smoking
jihad is fighting for Allah , the ISIS are NOT MUSLIMS !! they pretend to be muslims so thatthe arab world would not turn against them ( but currently no one is supporting them as a month ago "Jordan" a arab country Bombed them in syria)
We muslims Dont kill for no reason , ( there some people ( or actually alot ) who does that)
we canot have a sexual relationship with a woman before marrying her. ( including R A P E)
All of the things you see are only 1/10 of muslims out there , the OUT LAWs , the ones who dont obey the religon but claim they are muslims ...
yes im a muslim and i was offended when reading your replies in this thread so i wanted to clear things out.
Terrorist , terrorist groups and organizations , Are just Out laws just like the KKK !!
i think its normal for 23 arab countries having a couple terrorist organizations, just like Russia mafias and all that ♥♥♥♥ , just like the US with the KKK and whatever else
Look vice-versa. Then ask yourself again.
?? be more clear :))Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanTuts
hm... dont know if this is a troll...
im being serious now ...Quote:
Originally Posted by myBha
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