Do people max before they move up?

I rushed to TH7 before I started reading this forum and watching Youtube videos, so I am trying to avoid doing the same thing again. My question is do most people fully max out before they move up? I am pretty sure moving up without all my defenses maxed would be a bad idea but some of the other stuff I'm not sure. The 3 places I'm a little behind are.

1. My collectors, I get far more loot from farming then I do from my collectors so I've been neglecting them. Currently level 6/7, I wonder if having small value collectors is one of the reason I don't get raided that often.
2. My Barracks, I hate not getting my troops as fast so I have been just upgrading one at a time. I have one level 9 to cook dragons for war the rest are level 7.
3. Dark Elixir upgrades, TH7 has been really easy to farm gold and elixir but getting DE has been a grind. I have my my Barb King upgrading to lev 2, upgraded minions.

Without doing any collectors/barracks/DE upgrades I should be able to max out everything else in 2 weeks. Its probably another two weeks to do everything else. Thanks for the help

Most definantly max out at th7 Barb king is iffy because it's hard to get the DE at th7

I think it's ok not to max out collectors or DE upgrades (including barb)...wouldn't delay it for th8. But I wouldn't move on without maxing rax

​From an economics perspective it's always best to max out due to loot penalties.

Plus, maxed collectors will earn you long term loot you'll miss out on otherwise.

From a pride perspective, it's impressive to see people take the time. In my clan, it's part of our DNA to max out before moving on.

no one ever mentions that upgrading all your buildings increases your defense from a HP perspective. your collectors when max will not only produce much more resources, their HP will be higher giving your defenses more time to kill opposing forces that are trying to knock down those buildings.

It is perfectly fine not to max out collectors, and I'm just maxing mine out at the tail end of TH9. I raid much more than the collectors can bring me, and I'd much rather have those builder days on defenses or heroes.

Barracks are another that you will not need to max as long as you are not using those Tier 3 troops as often. However, It's a good idea to get them all up to Lvl 9 eventually as the bulk of the war attacks you will use at TH7/8 are really mass drags.

You'll want to max out the BK though, because there will be even more competing priorities for DE as you progress.

maxing everything is not necessary.
guess if you already have your defenses already max and bk at least level 3 you can really move up.

though maxing collectors before going up to th9 is really recommended given that lab time in th8 is longer than the build time of th8 buildings. doing collectors in th8 will give you extra time for your lab.

th1-6 you can pretty do an intelligent rush.. (barracks in respectable level, camps, and main defenses max)

Thanks for the help guys, I hadn't considered that the added hit points actually help with defense as well. I think I will wait and max out before moving to TH8.

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Originally Posted by Kinron

​From an economics perspective it's always best to max out due to loot penalties.

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Strictly incorrect, economics would make you consider how it becomes easier to gain loot later. Is it easier for a th8 to get 1 Million gold or a th5?

Not necessary, I do max my base, but my friend do not.
I see his deffense log and it's not bad at all, I mean not so different from me.

A premature base sometimes get hammered and raided 200k each but a Maxed base get hammered too (by a higher TH)

So go ahead and enjoy the offfense troops.

No need to max everything.

I'd definitely say to max all defenses and walls at whatever TH lvl you are at until TH9. Dont worry about gold mines or elixir pumps as much.

A little known secret:
Since I dont rely on pumps/mines for resources, why spend the unnecessary time on its upgrade. Plus when possible attackers see your scrawny pumps, sometimes they just skip your base. I had lvl 9 pumps mines until TH9. By not maxing then to lvl 11...I've saved nearly 60 days in upgrade times that were used for much more important things and was raided less often!

Lastly, when you reach TH9 and everything is 3-5 million gold and/or elixir and you can't keep your builders busy enough...THIS IS NOW the time to max pumps/mines. They are cheap upgrades and builders stay busy.

So not only is it okay to not max out pumps/mines, it can definitely be argued its the more logical approach!

Good luck.

I like what KJ said, it's smart. I didn't play much my first few months but when I got into it I was at 7 and ended up maxing everything for wars and I figured it was the best way to go. Th7 was a blast especially in wars, really you have to max defenses no matter what, everything else in my opinion should be as well. When the 1 gem boosts come around it is nice to have lvl 11 mines/pumps but on the same note KJ's approach is probably best. In the end, its up to you and how long you stick around each TH.

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Originally Posted by KJBlack

I'd definitely say to max all defenses and walls at whatever TH lvl you are at until TH9. Dont worry about gold mines or elixir pumps as much.

A little known secret:
Since I dont rely on pumps/mines for resources, why spend the unnecessary time on its upgrade. Plus when possible attackers see your scrawny pumps, sometimes they just skip your base. I had lvl 9 pumps mines until TH9. By not maxing then to lvl 11...I've saved nearly 60 days in upgrade times that were used for much more important things and was raided less often!

Lastly, when you reach TH9 and everything is 3-5 million gold and/or elixir and you can't keep your builders busy enough...THIS IS NOW the time to max pumps/mines. They are cheap upgrades and builders stay busy.

So not only is it okay to not max out pumps/mines, it can definitely be argued its the more logical approach!

Good luck.

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Offense>Defense in pretty much every aspect.

Defenses are important, yes....but not nearly as important as your offensive potential hence your ability to farm loot.

(In war, yes, defenses are almost just as important as you don't want to be a liability to your clan).

Upgrading is all about raiding efficiency and maximizing your time online. While high defenses/walls can deter some attackers, your best possible defense from being raided is to spend down your loot before you log so defenses are rather irrelevant if you have no loot to take. This is why you need to map out your builder upgrades and plan accordingly, or always have an idle builder to work on walls/royals to avoid having to gem finish an upgrade.

Also, I can't say I'm a fan of that non- upgraded mine/pump logic. Max mines/pumps generate a large amount of rss, especially on a farming base that gets more shields often than not. You are missing out on a large chunk of loot even if the majority is obtained from raiding by neglecting your mines/pumps. They should be maxed asap as that's just that much more rss you are missing out on/obtaining per hour.

Honestly, I think you have it a little backwards. If you are going to rush it's better to rush up to TH7/8 and not even worry about maxing until TH8 I'd say. As long as you upgrade camps, primary farm troop research, and spell factory you are fine and can usually recover.

Idle builders and keeping builders busy really becomes irrelevant as you approach end-game as it is inevitable that they are going to be idle at some point regardless. Maxing walls at TH9 requires over a bil in gold from lvl 8-10, and even for skulls at TH8 some will be sitting on idle builders.

Maximizing builder uptime is important but moreso at lower TH's. As things become increasingly more expensive and much harder to save for it's inevitable that some will be idle.....and then of course there's the tedious wall grind at the end. All and all you shouldn't really worry about idle builders too much especially late-game.

Then again, I always maxed my TH's before upgrading, but that's me. I had no issues keeping all 5 builders working the majority of my time through TH9 either and my mines/pumps had been maxed since TH7.

Just max everything btw TH7 is the place where maxing base starts

tbh I don't up my collectors and mines they're still lv 7~9

it really depends on you. i would recommend maxing though cause this game is not a race! i was maxed th8 before i went th9. i had all troops including dark troops maxed out. king was only 10 though. but i was beating mid/early th9s even with xbow cause my hogs were all level 4 and i would do 2-3stars on a bunch of th8s and somtimes early th9s with gowipe.

if you rushed to th8, might as well maxed it there cause if you rushed till th9. youre gonna stay there for awhile.

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Originally Posted by IDBGOD28

Offense>Defense in pretty much every aspect.

Defenses are important, yes....but not nearly as important as your offensive potential hence your ability to farm loot.

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This.

The best defense is a good offense.
In my experience if you have maxed your primary farming army and splash def you will benefit from rushing to the next TH lvl, since your farming efficiency will increase because of better offensive capabilities available.

That being said, another point that is commonly made against rushing is that you will get smashed on def, however that does happen even if you maxed everything before upgrading.
Rushing intelligently benfits everyone regardless if they are casual player or hyperactive.

I rushed to th7 and have spent the last 4 months maxing it my th8 will be done today my storages are full and I will hit the ground running as soon as the th finishes. Ive gottta say spending the extra couple weeks maxing everything in th 7 was the best thing i ever did in my clan I have the strongest base on the war map and there is a very rushed th9 number 2 and an even more rushed th8 as numberr 3. To be honest id like to kick those two who rushed so much but theyre brothers and they started the clan.........

Hey there, ok so you can rush to th 7 but you should have decent upgrades done then from then on completely max out every th 7,8, and 9

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Originally Posted by zerobest12

Hey there, ok so you can rush to th 7 but you should have decent upgrades done then from then on completely max out every th 7,8, and 9

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Again, it entirely depends on what your goals for the game are. If your goal is to get to max troops and offense as soon as possible there is no issue rushing if you do so intelligently (ie upgrade camps, spell factory, primary farm troops, etc). No need to max 7,8, 9 if this is the case...just your offenses and primary splash defenses are ok.

However, if your end goal is a completely max th10 with lvl 11 walls and max royals....then yes, it is best to maximize your loot potential at lower Th's and max what you can.

Either one is fine, just depends on the person and what they want out of the game.

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Originally Posted by zerobest12

Hey there, ok so you can rush to th 7 but you should have decent upgrades done then from then on completely max out every th 7,8, and 9

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I would say rush to th8 to some extent, th8 is much better.
Also if you want to max the idea is to go up when you run out of a resource dump. Thats walls for gold/elix and heroes for de. When either walls or heroes are maxed you want to head up regardless of anything else.

If your defences are done but walls arent then always go up unless its from th9-10, where the choice is up to you, as that is the only jump where it is harder to get gold/elix, but not so bad after loot bonus increase.
If your defences and walls are done but heroes are not then always go up, de is always easier the higher you go.

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Originally Posted by rhound50

I rushed to TH7 before I started reading this forum and watching Youtube videos, so I am trying to avoid doing the same thing again. My question is do most people fully max out before they move up? I am pretty sure moving up without all my defenses maxed would be a bad idea but some of the other stuff I'm not sure. The 3 places I'm a little behind are.

1. My collectors, I get far more loot from farming then I do from my collectors so I've been neglecting them. Currently level 6/7, I wonder if having small value collectors is one of the reason I don't get raided that often.
2. My Barracks, I hate not getting my troops as fast so I have been just upgrading one at a time. I have one level 9 to cook dragons for war the rest are level 7.
3. Dark Elixir upgrades, TH7 has been really easy to farm gold and elixir but getting DE has been a grind. I have my my Barb King upgrading to lev 2, upgraded minions.

Without doing any collectors/barracks/DE upgrades I should be able to max out everything else in 2 weeks. Its probably another two weeks to do everything else. Thanks for the help

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When people say that the best loot is at th7, they're right. I just got th8 a couple weeks ago and i already see the difference! Try to get as much as much upgrades as possible. Save some stuff to do during your upgrade though. I started my upgrade with everything maxed BUT:

around 40-50 walls (19 by the time i finished)
Lvl 10 collectors
lvl 2 bk
1 lvl 8 barrack
dark barrack (i only had lvl 1 because I know i wouldn't use dark troops)
minions to higher levels (once again because i dont use them)

now here's some advice:
GET YOUR WALLS DONE
get your collectors as high as you want them
try for @ least 2 dragon barracks
only upgrade what you use when you go to troops. If you never use healers then dont upgrade them, but for most troops it's a good idea to at least get level 3 (for stuff that can go to level 4 with your lab) of the stuff you dont use just in case

and HERES the answer to the titles question:
max everything except for something small like walls or collectors because you are gonna get bored if you don't have anything to do for 8 days. Make sure you plan ahead so everything will be done by the time your th8. Good luck!

Yes always:cool:

At TH7, I maxed everything but my king and my dark barrack.

I maxed out everything at TH7 before moving to TH8. Now at later stage of TH8, I realize that my builders will be idle for around 40 days while lab research are being fully maxed. For efficiency purpose of builders, I would advise to max the collectors during those last 40 days at TH8.

That being said, max collectors do generate quite a bit of resource while under the shield, so unless you are a very active farmer (over 20 attacks per day), I think you are better off maxing your collectors at TH7.

Lots of rushers claim that you get attacked and smashed even with maxed defense. The reality is that you will get attacked more often when you offer lots of resources AND have weak defenses, than if you had max defenses. All things being equal, a premmie TH8 will get attacked by TH9, TH8, TH7 and even TH6. A max TH8 will likely get attacked by TH9 only. Personnally, since maxing my mortars and wizards at TH8 (I upgraded those defenses first), I don't recall many serious attacks from TH8 (and lower) anymore. Nowadays, even level 6 farming troops are skipping my base.

rushed to th7, and maxed out 7 & 8 before moving up. Makes life a whole lot easier at ur next town hall when u do, very happy I took the time to. Working on th9 now, game keeps getting better. Just my opinion however.

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Originally Posted by 12Stoud

Strictly incorrect, economics would make you consider how it becomes easier to gain loot later. Is it easier for a th8 to get 1 Million gold or a th5?

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yeah but getting loot as a town hall 8 with a town hall 5 base and troops would be really hard

You should absolutely max everything at TH7 and below before upgrading to a new TH. It's not that difficult. Really, it isn't and it doesn't take very long especially if you utilize maxed collectors. If you have a problem with this, then you will never make it at TH8 and above.

TH8 provides for a significant step up, but it fails in offensive power. The potential for solid DE troops is there, but it's still a challenge to raid DE and your lone DE collector, even maxed, doesn't quite fill the bill. I feel that you should take some time at TH8 before moving on to TH9. You really need walls and an all around upgrade of everything, as many defenses can be upgraded twice. Obviously, you need to upgrade all of your elixir troops.

So, do you need to max TH8 before you move to TH9? I don't think so. The offensive boost at TH9 will be huge and will allow you to take on the TH8's. However, if you didn't do your due diligence at TH8, you'll become a huge target. Walls become very important as 6* gmen will rip lvl 6 walls apart, and even when wall breakers shred your walls, your defenses better be up to par or the gmen will have a field day with your defenses.

So for the TL;DR version: max everything up to and including TH7, max at least 75% of TH8 before upgrading to TH9. Walls are important at TH8. If you haven't figured it out by TH9, just quit.

You should play as you like. You don't need to listen to maxer or rusher because they both have their valid opinion and both have their own weaknesses. But do take note on what they say about the good/bad thing on maxing/rushing. From there you can just choose the best way that you would enjoy.

I was a max th7 but only halfway th8 and go straight to th9, and now I am enjoying every day maxing my th9. I have my own reason and I am happy making that decision.

I say play how you want. I know someone that went to TH10 in four months. Purely for the 'unlimited' upgraded so he says.

Play fast, hard, slow or not at all. Its coc enjoy it your way.

Personally I like to upgrade everything and see how full my balls and gold storages can get before next TH upgrade.

Good luck finding the right way to clash for you.

There are no right or wrong ways to clash. Only easy or hard.

- dinner

Collectors provide the resources you can get without doing anything, not much, but they add up.

Barracks let you make dragons faster (though you will still have to wait for spells) and unlock PEKKA, which plays a significant role in higher level clan war. It also let you make more troops at a time.

But at the beginning of TH 8, you will have more important upgrades that occupy your builders, so the chance is you will be too busy to get back to maxing your collectors and barracks until a few months later.

If you understand that and still feel like moving onto TH 8, by all means go for it. I personally didn't max my collectors until mid TH 8 and I'm still running with four lvl 9 barracks in early TH 9 simply because I'm a racer, but the long-term benefits to max them early are definitely there.

th7 i maxed barb king, minions and barracks. im now almost done with th8, am maxxing my collectors now while i finish off my walls, barracks and some big research nuts. (did golem 2, just started pekka 3, and am gonna try to squeeze in valk 2 before i upgrade. maxxed all other dark research). having 4 barracks that can build dragons is very nice. i would at least do that, and if you dont have anything else to do can work on collectors till thats done, and try to farm some dark elixir for barb king.