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December 9th, 2014
Jason5267

sit at 1500-1700 cups

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Originally Posted by NITRONICO

There's no loot where you said...There's no loot anywhere... Help!

I got over 200mil of my gold grab from that trophy range, it's the best, use giants and goblins to take big storage raids, collector raids aren't a very reliable source of income because they take much longer to find, if the raid offers 200k of what you need, take it, if not, don't waste your troops GL farming:p
December 12th, 2014
gambitflash

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Originally Posted by Jason5267

Firstly, I am a town hall rusher, although at the moment I am 100% maxed out on town hall 8, I got here with very rushed defenses, and I only maxed my wizards, barbs, arch, giants and wb, then I upgraded to TH8 with TH6 defenses, I DON'T regret it at all, I want to clear up some misunderstandings with TH rushing, firstly, if I use certain examples, people will fail to understand, so in simple terms, if you are a decent ways into your current town hall, (aside from TH10) with troops of your TH level have you ever struggled to raid a TH below you? I haven't, as a maxed TH8 I use my TH8 troops to pound maxed TH7s into the ground for 3 stars mostly using 1 spell or none at all, a good layout on a maxed TH7 has never stopped me either, so what did the TH7 gain by maxing their base? now as a maxed TH8 I often get 3 starred by TH9s with lv6 giants, I am 100% maxed out (lab too, all walls, barb king, all defenses) but TH9s can 3 star me with 2 spells, because that's how the game works, the best example I can say is TH7 barch vs TH6 bases, if you didn't know this, 200 spaces of lv4 barch will ALWAYS 3 star a fully maxed out TH6 without any spells or cc troops, all you need to do is draw multiple circles of barch around the TH6 base, their cc troops and layout make near 0 difference, so I GUARANTEE that if you think maxing your TH will stop defense losses or make you unbeatable in your zone, you are wrong, so why max out? let me show things from my perspective, if you upgrade only your farming troops and your key war troops at your current town hall, you start off with near the exact same farming capabilities as a guy who maxed out (heros being the small difference and spells) except you will achieve the higher town hall first, get stronger troops first and from there I see it like this, I was a town hall 8, with lv5 troops, smashing TH7s and maxing my storages out very easily because I was getting bigger TH8 loot, and paying for smaller cheaper TH7 defenses, which allowed me to in turn get my lv8 walls early and max TH8 in around 3 and a half months, 100% maxed, now I could have been a well upgraded TH9 had I rushed from TH8 too but I like TH8 so I'll enjoy it some more, the main point of this post though is to say not all rushers are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed and as bad as people make them out to be, if you work it out mathematically the way I mentioned above is the fastest best way to play through the game, and I'd just like to point out that it's much easier this way untill town hall 9, where you'll have to max out because then you'll need to settle down and enjoy the game, as well as sort out slightly low heros, but at the end of the day it will benefit you more, if you are worried about defense it doesn't matter because it's stacked against you, the stronger you get the more you max out the stronger people will attack you(when you raid guys do you raid guys you can't beat? because I don't, but they do of course get raided, by stronger people, who crush them) you'll always lose so why waste time on trying to win? premmie bases actually win more defenses too for those who haven't noticed, congrats to anyone who read this whole post lol, enjoy the tips and don't be a hater

I have read your post (quite detailed i might add,thanks for putting time into it).But it seems that you haven't read my answer to the question "should I max th8 or not?" where I have given arguments for both sides of playstyles.I don't hate th rushers...Please read my answer first completely.Like I have read your post.

To satisfy you further,to rush or not basically is an extension of the question "Do you remain active alot?" If so you can rush and its viable.But on the other side,if you max out your base.You can start building and upgrading the new toys early.
December 12th, 2014
gambitflash

Forgot to answer the loot problem,yes well these days the 1250-1300 is empty.However I am finding good loot at 1450 trophies and higher.So try going there.

Clash on!
:)
December 13th, 2014
LoafOfDog

Th7?

Hey gambit, read the whole guide!

Really like it, but I'm trying to max TH7.
Link is here:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ith-Profile%29

Can you please reply, would appreciate your advice and wisdom.

Thanks in Advance.
December 16th, 2014
gambitflash

Replied to your post,sorry for being late.
Maxing th7 is a great step to th8.It helps you alot at th8.
Enjoy your th7,its the best townhall for farming :)
December 16th, 2014
Nyxiggon

I was a *mostly* maxed TH8 before I upgraded to TH9. I don't regret the early upgrade, though if I could do it again, I'd change some of my priorities:

Your initial (and fairly on-going) offensive priority for TH9 is elixer. You need...just...so much elixer. However, your DE income used to be more than 4 times higher passively than TH8. Now, it's only double, so I'll see how it changes the landscape of things once I get my mini up to TH8. With that in mind:

I made sure to upgrade balloons each stage of the game, however, if I had it back, I'd *probably* wait. Having a cheap elixer option to upgrade at TH9 would be nice. However, I'm not in a hardcore war clan, and most of my clan mates don't see the value in level 6 balloons in your CC, so I don't really get to donate them either.

Since you need a ton of elixer, I'd say that maxing Pekkas in TH8 is useful, once you've finished up the main elixer priorities. You already have 4.5M for barb 6, 6M for archer 6, 6M for giant 6, so adding yet another 6 million elixer cost is kinda...sad.

Also in that line of thought, even though I'm going to advise you to skip DE upgrades, upgrade your DE storage. Anything you can do to reduce your elixer requirements at TH9 will be helpful.

Following that train, skip DE lab upgrades. You just don't need them yet. That being said, pump any and all DE into your BK. Level 5 and level 10 BK is just awesome, and if you get him to level 10 in TH8, you can use him to farm while you're getting your AQ up to snuff.

Why skip DE? Well, using hogs is silly at TH8, as you can just use your overflowing elixer on mass dragon raids in Clan Wars. Done properly, you can 3 star literally any TH7, any TH8, and often 2 star TH9s (if they don't have max air defenses yet). Hogs are a usable for that as well, but it requires a good deal more skill, and a pretty hefty helping of luck. Plus, as we already mentioned, TH8 DE income is much lower than TH9, so unlocking level 4 hogs is a pretty big commitment for not a whole lot of pay off. That being said - if you enjoy hogs, then definitely upgrade them whenever you can.

Minions - I use them as a cheap DE dump if my lab is about to be open and I can't afford a hero upgrade. Even using loonion, the minion upgrades aren't *super* crucial. Skippable.

Valk - totally skippable.

Golem - Absolutely crucial for TH9 raids, but the thing is, as an early TH9, you can use dragons to 2-3 star other early TH9s (especially with the 4th spell). And as you develop into mid TH9, if you have max pekkas already, you can start using level 1 golems pretty effectively to 2 star mid to well developed TH9s. It's not until you are having to take on maxed or close to maxed TH9s that you really need the higher level golems, so you have a long time before you really need them. If you never clan war, then you never need golems.

Goblins - shrug. I maxed them every TH. I hardly ever use them. Skippable unless you really love goblins. I find that there are SOME bases where having some goblins would have helped me get into some storages. And other times, my goblins get ruined by 1 sneaky bomb or lucky mortar shot.

Healer - skip.

Wall breaker - required.

If you clan war, you can absolutely still rush your TH if you want. You have to remember that your current development level is taken into account when matching you against someone. So if you're a super premie TH9, but you have all your war troops leveled up, you'll get matched against highly developed TH7s and 8s (depending on your base). They might be able to 2 star you (maybe), but you will absolutely be able to 3 star them back. So, it all depends on your play style and what you find more fun.

TH8 - Mass drag = most consistent, easiest CW
TH9 - GoWiX - the only thing that's really going to get you 3 stars on well developed TH9s, or 2 stars on under developed TH10s. Dragons and Hogs are both kinda worthless here, so pick one of those two strats to work on in TH8, and then transition to GoWiX.
TH10 - LavaLoonion - best clan war attack. Might want to max loons and minions (and get level 2 lava) while in TH9 so you can start 3 starring TH10s as soon as you max out lava hounds.
December 16th, 2014
zerokelvin

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Originally Posted by gambitflash

Q.Should I max out my th8 or not?

A.Alot of people here will say yes.I am also a town hall maxer.I just like to be a powerful th8 rather than a weak th9.But people who rush th aren't completely wrong.I also understand their side of argument.The main reason why people rush th is that they get bored and they are active so much that they don't need upgraded defenses plus you don't become invincible as a maxed th8 to the th9 attacks.

If you ask me,I would say yes,max it definately.Sooner or later you are going to realize that you need to upgrade your defenses.If you are in clan wars alot,you need maximum defense.It becomes way harder at th9 to raid and get resources and you cannot even keep it if you don't have at least some form of protection.Believe me,I have barched rushed th9 storages as a th8 for 300k loot and I can imagine their pain.

I would disagree with Maxing a TH8 and any TH8 max defense that thinks they can hold up to TH9 troops is sadly mistaken. I look at TH8's as Piggy banks ready for smashing. Occasionally on a rare circumstance does a TH8 hold up defensively. To that I offer this advice.

If you are TH7 that just moved to TH8 spend all your gold on air def, teslas, then walls in that order. Your elixir upgrades should be all your army camps, farming troops + dragons (Dragons are for Clan wars).

Once these upgrades are complete, save of your DE for Archer Queen and move to TH9 immediately. By doing this you will have much more effective farming troops and you will be able to grow into the TH9 very quickly. Save up for lvl 6 Barch/BAG and you should be able to farm TH8's very effectively.
December 17th, 2014
gambitflash

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Originally Posted by zerokelvin

I would disagree with Maxing a TH8 and any TH8 max defense that thinks they can hold up to TH9 troops is sadly mistaken. I look at TH8's as Piggy banks ready for smashing. Occasionally on a rare circumstance does a TH8 hold up defensively. To that I offer this advice.

If you are TH7 that just moved to TH8 spend all your gold on air def, teslas, then walls in that order. Your elixir upgrades should be all your army camps, farming troops + dragons (Dragons are for Clan wars).

Once these upgrades are complete, save of your DE for Archer Queen and move to TH9 immediately. By doing this you will have much more effective farming troops and you will be able to grow into the TH9 very quickly. Save up for lvl 6 Barch/BAG and you should be able to farm TH8's very effectively.

Your argument is not wrong,I can see what you are trying to say but then again maxing your town hall is a great thing to do.You learn alot.You learn new attacks.You learn to appreciate each town hall's power and capabilities.
Another very big issue is that,even you don't do those upgrades right at this moment you will have to do them later in th9 when you have nothing else to work on.Its better to upgrade as much as you can at th8 so you can work on th9 stuff.I want to work on those badass dark purple wiz towers at once at th9,not wait for an upgrade that could have been done in th8 .
So why hurry just to get an xbow and a queen,just relax,enjoy and appreciate the game at this stage.

I am going to th9 in 2 days.I enjoyed every single aspect of th8.It made me learn builder management.Made me learn prioritizing,how to raid and when to raid.It made me learn to use mass dragon attack strategy.Its been a really helpful journey and it made me understand all the tiny things that will help me alot at th9

Cheers and clash on
:)
December 17th, 2014
gambitflash

Another point I forgot is that you will do a disservice to your clan by not maxing your town hall.You will simply be a 3 star for your enemies.Yes you will get crushed by a th9 but it took a th9 attacker to take you down when they could have used their attack in a better place.
Plus your advice to the new th8 doesn't involve upgrading BK which is also very wrong.You need your BK to be atleast level 5 to get the ability.Also you didn't max point defenses which will make you food for giants 6 even when you go to th9.
You didn't get arch towers which are highly effective against single drag wandering through the base.

The point is not to win defenses.The point is to make the life of your enemies as hard as possible.
December 17th, 2014
zerokelvin

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Originally Posted by gambitflash

Another point I forgot is that you will do a disservice to your clan by not maxing your town hall.You will simply be a 3 star for your enemies.Yes you will get crushed by a th9 but it took a th9 attacker to take you down when they could have used their attack in a better place.
Plus your advice to the new th8 doesn't involve upgrading BK which is also very wrong.You need your BK to be atleast level 5 to get the ability.Also you didn't max point defenses which will make you food for giants 6 even when you go to th9.
You didn't get arch towers which are highly effective against single drag wandering through the base.

The point is not to win defenses.The point is to make the life of your enemies as hard as possible.

As far a disservice to my clan for not maxing my TH8 (AKA The Piggy Bank)during clan war I say this. TH8's are pretty much guaranteed 3 stars even at max with lvl 3 drag with cc lvl 6 loons. It's a very basic attack and always does well on TH8's so I disagree with assessment that it would be a disservice to my clan mates.

As a farmer I don't really care about def. It sucks to lose loot but if you manage your upgrades timely you can minimize loss of resources and also keeping your TH outside surrounded by torches you usually pick up a easy TH snipe and get a free shield. That is my answer to you being worried about Giants.

My point of view is also looking back at TH8 as a TH9. I look back at what I could have done differently to make me move through the game more quickly. Archer Queen, 220 Camp space, 4 spells, and access to high level troops is much more important and FUN then making it inconvenient for attackers that will most likely take my resources anyway. Also Dual lvl 6 DE Drill and TH9 troops+AQ make far more easier to raid DE then at TH8. This might be different now that TH8's get 2 DE drills at lvl 3, time will tell.

I am sure the research on TH9 has told you that it will be a very long one to max. Which I am totally on board maxing a TH9 just not a TH8. So going to TH9 early with the correct offense I think you will have much more enjoyable experience in your long stay as a TH9.

Happy Clashing

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