Been answered repeatedly. Please read thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Been answered repeatedly. Please read thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Read entire thread intently and still can't say I've read any definitive "Good or Clear" reasons to not implement an opt-out feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kruzkal
You, yourself have (in my opinion) "attempted" to pose an argument against the requested feature but none of any of your posts have truly enlightened me or convinced me to why it would be a bad idea, up to an including your concern of there being less available evenly-matched clans in the pool to be matched against. Regarding that point, I'd have to see that to believe it because I don't think that with the hundreds of thousands of clans, that that would be an issue like you insist it would.
Anybody else got something better?
Your logic is flawed. When you see it it's too late. "I don't see why I have to wear a seatbelt.... WAHHHHHHH!!!! Good night Irene..."Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKaz
Individual war participation will drop but the number of clans going to war will increase. Clans that don't war due to less active members will be able to war. Plus with smaller sizes, 45s and 50s war will have more mismatches but there would be better matches at lower level since there are more clans to fight in each of those pools. People against opt out often say that clans would opt everyone out except for the elite attackers. Still, that means 10-20s would be very balancedQuote:
Originally Posted by Kruzkal
Would opt in/out work for my clan? Yes. Is it necessary? No. Why? All the issues raised in favour of opt in/out (other than that arbitrary donations number) are easily sorted by communicating.
Ponder on the following question. Ever wonder why you are more comfortable in promoting friends and family?
- Is it because you feel you can trust them to do the right thing?
- Is it because you feel they won't let you down?
- Is it because you can communicate with them outside of the game and they can have some real life accountability for what happens in the game?
If all of the above is yes then why would they get offended about being kicked out of the clan or leaving the clan before war search? There are two simple answers to this:
- They don't know how important winning the clan war is to you and your clan.
- They do know and they don't care (which means, not really a friend).
1. Comes down to clear communication and clan culture, if your clan culture is really relaxed and have the culture of not caring about winning clan wars then it's understandable that your friends wouldn't know that you spend your spare time on the forums asking that Supercell does something to help exclude them from being dead weights in clan wars. If your real friends were truly friends, they wouldn't want to let you or the clan down they would leave or let someone know to kick them before the clan war search. That's because real friends don't let friends down. Your issue is that you have to communicate to your friends how much you want to win the clan war and what it takes to win the clan war and ensure they are on the same page
2. If they are on the same page and they do understand what winning means to you and the clan and what it takes to win and still persist with inactivity or consistently bad attacks without listening to any advice, then they probably aren't good friends to begin with. They certainly haven't thought about your feelings or the feelings of the others in the clan, so why keep them in your clan or refer to them as friends?
I am in a clan of friends and family too after losing a couple of wars people saw what they were doing to the clan and how it affected the clan, they asked for advice on how to improve the situation because they were friends. Some friends felt they were ♥♥♥♥ at attacking so asked for advice and improved. Some friends knew they weren't going to be active so let people know to kick them out before clan war search or left before clan war search. This comes back to clearly communicating what you want and how it is achieved and establishing a clan culture based around that.
My sentiments entirely JKL2207. However I get the impression that the OP and some participants of this thread are afraid of the clan they are leading. They fear any changes to the clan may provoke a negative reaction, and therefore instead of leading their clan, communicating, imposing practical internal reforms resort to begging SC to change the game to enforce changes they wish for and can easily implement themselves.
And doing the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
i often wonder if those so vehemently opposed to an opt feature are more concerned with the loss of an easy win that they can include in their brag tag. Why would you not want to be paired up against a full participation clan? Those are the only wars worth it win or loose. They really cause our players to work for the win and we have a total blast. Those wars where the opponents have members that don't even log on are just a waste and such a let down.
It's not the "easy win." War pairing is more-less pretty fair. The key is skill and how active the opposing clan is, i.e., how many attacks they'll manage to get in. In 50 v 50 wars, my clan will attack 90-100 times. The opposing clan usually attacks in the 70s and 80s. You might think that's an "easy win." And if you think that, that's okay. You are not the leader of a clan which attacks 95-100 times in every war, so you would not understand how difficult it is to get 50 people to use both attacks with the most expensive and time consuming to build troops they have twice in a 24 hour period. That in itself is one of the most important aspects of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobad
If that is my strength and your weakness, we deserve to demolish you.
And never will. I prefer a small clan that requires everyone to use their attacks in order to win. We are also a clan that helps teach lower levels how to attack so they can go on to bigger clans. We are happy to do it. We prefer to teach people to use their own mind and skills, but at the level they wish to play. All that want to war are welcome to get their trophies up enough to be in the war, but if they want to not that is fine too. Personally I find the kick reinvite to be a big pain the the rear. You don't. That's fine for you, but your not the be all to end all of the game. No I'm not the leader currently. But that really tells you squat about our clan or how it's run. So now you get all derisive and dismissive as if your just so much better than everyone else. I've come to expect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegionOK
You deserve nothing. You haven't did some spectacular feat that enables you more rights than others.
So your what afraid that the opposing clans you will be matched up with will be more active if an opt out feature is added? Wouldn't that just be a shame. Personally I prefer the all active clan wars, but hey to each their own. Gotta get those wins somehow and if it's by DEMOLISHING opponents that are not at your level of play than good for you. I'll stick with the wars where everyone has a blast and it feels like a real challange. Eventually those clans with inactive players will stop warring, or pare down their clan. They won't be there to pad your win column.
The "spectacular feat" is creating a clan where all members are "war ready" and on the same page when it comes to fighting clan wars, which you (and many others) appear unwilling and/or unable to do without Supercell's assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobad