Can we make healers viable for high lvl play?

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Originally Posted by Slaskio

What is to be changed with healers:
Switching healer's target system from area splash to multi target.

Why this is more beneficial than the current system:
We very much appreciate the new healer buff, however we still encounter the problems of a healer choosing to heal a rogue group of troops or the heroes instead of the main group taking damage. A multi targeting system will, in theory, cause a healer to be more centralized trying to maximize her healing effect.

How this will work:
The healer will get a slightly larger range of effect, healing X number of troops within her area. X will increase upon healer level, range will not.

Suggested amounts for X:
healer lvl1: 4 targets
healer lvl2: 6 targets
healer lvl3: 8 targets
healer lvl4: 10 targets

obviously these are suggestions and in no way determined to be balanced as i can not test this system.


Comments? Questions? Suggestions?

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I would like to see this just to see what people would do to counter infernos.

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Originally Posted by mrkw

Healers have already been balanced out in the latest update. They can only be shot down by archer towers and air defences.

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That is merely a buff to make them last longer, however their ability is still flawed as stated in my first post. Healers currently love to follow a single hero, golem, troop, or a rogue group that was going to be killed anyway. This is a suggestion for that.

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To balance this maybe they only target 2 groups and do splash heal?
375th post!

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Originally Posted by Kowalski711

To balance this maybe they only target 2 groups and do splash heal?
375th post!

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A group already can consist of quite a few targets, I'm not really a fan of splash heals as I can still see healers going for rogue groups. I think the numbers just need balancing. However the suggested 2 groups isn't OP just not sure how well it would change healer AI. Thanks for input!

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I would decrease the number of troops she can heal by half.

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Originally Posted by nas

I would decrease the number of troops she can heal by half.

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Half is a bit much, however open to suggestions as my original numbers were just quickly thrown out there.

new suggestion?

lvl1: 3 targets
lvl2: 4 targets
lvl3: 5 targets
lvl4: 7 targets
lvl5: 9 targets

Just stopping in to provide my feedback, as I'm a TH9 that still does the occasional giant-healer raid.

My feedback is that this is a bad idea.

I think the fact that healers are susceptible to drifting is actually a very good thing because it forces you to incorporate strategy and planning into your healer usage. Accounting for the fact that they drift is part of being an effective healer attacker. All this suggestion does is make it easier to use healers, eliminating some of the planning and deployment technique necessary to skillful attacking. You shouldn't be able to just drop a troop and have the AI do all the work for you.

This healer behavior is not dissimilar to pekkas wandering, which is also a good thing. Pekkas' susceptibility to uselessly wandering around outside the base when you want them to go to the core means that you have to clear out the side buildings to funnel your big troops into the core. If this wasn't required and the big troops always went straight for the core, there would be less to differentiate a good attacker from a bad one.

Both of these troop vulnerabilities add an extra layer of strategy to attacks. Supercell, please don't dumb down the game with this idea.

Having gone back to trying healers, the problem is that healer-Giants don't do enough damage and you too easily run out of time.

Maybe be high THE battles need more time.

Usually, I see lvl 8-9 failed battles end with the attacking army destroyed, except for when there are healers, when the army runs out of time, and sometimes a slow dragon left along runs out of time.

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Originally Posted by mrl0902

Just stopping in to provide my feedback, as I'm a TH9 that still does the occasional giant-healer raid.

My feedback is that this is a bad idea.

I think the fact that healers are susceptible to drifting is actually a very good thing because it forces you to incorporate strategy and planning into your healer usage. Accounting for the fact that they drift is part of being an effective healer attacker. All this suggestion does is make it easier to use healers, eliminating some of the planning and deployment technique necessary to skillful attacking. You shouldn't be able to just drop a troop and have the AI do all the work for you.

This healer behavior is not dissimilar to pekkas wandering, which is also a good thing. Pekkas' susceptibility to uselessly wandering around outside the base when you want them to go to the core means that you have to clear out the side buildings to funnel your big troops into the core. If this wasn't required and the big troops always went straight for the core, there would be less to differentiate a good attacker from a bad one.

Both of these troop vulnerabilities add an extra layer of strategy to attacks. Supercell, please don't dumb down the game with this idea.

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Glad I could be your first topic to post in :o Which group a healer decides to heal is usually random and not strategic. Now sometimes you can plan it out and watch the healer work as intended but other times she'll stray entirely from your great planning and just go rogue. This suggestion isn't an over the top change, it merely makes the healer do what she's suppose to do, Heal!

We have tanks that do their job, we have effective DPS, now we just need a better heals (Tauren Druid for life here ;)) All this idea is suggesting is that the heal centralizes herself, being more effective in group heals while still allowing for strategic placement as troops do spread out alot in a raid and you still have to account and plan for this.

I'm all for making the AI work for me (Valk user here) and not making the AI do the work. But it's just silly how the healer currently works. I want to use healers in more than just 1 strategy, and this change would certainly help to broaden up what she can be used for. This wouldn't dumb down the game, it would simply encourage her use in higher level gameplay.

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Originally Posted by George1971

Having gone back to trying healers, the problem is that healer-Giants don't do enough damage and you too easily run out of time.

Maybe be high THE battles need more time.

Usually, I see lvl 8-9 failed battles end with the attacking army destroyed, except for when there are healers, when the army runs out of time, and sometimes a slow dragon left along runs out of time.

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Please dont post irrelevent ideas in my thread :facepalm: Healers giants should include more than just giants. But when you try to include wizards, valks, ect. You get her going rogue, Time is a totally different issue which I do not agree is a problem.

Multi target?Yay!

Oh damn you Inferno Tower...