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I would like to see a trap specific class. Something similar to a skeleton/gnome goggles that detonates traps moves 24 per sec 60 hp that sniffs out / digs up traps. This unit will sacrifice himself either imploding bombs or jumping on springs unless the bomb is less then 60 hp. Air bombs are altogether excluded from this thread I'll have later threads for the very few issues in those areas of the game
Realisitically speaking, would you take up troop space to create this troop? I know I wouldn't - what's to say it won't be killed before it reaches any traps? The only trap I worry about is the giant bomb, and if that's hidden behind walls then this rogue troop won't be of much use.
Well if the creation cost is that of a goblin I know I would make at least 3 per side of thier base I intend on attacking. And since we have bombs for walls you can send in a giant to take damage send in a bomb to take wall and send in the rogues to fish out traps before your entire army runs into that hole you just created only to run Into 1 big bomb. Seems some to me won't but some with a good strat can save 10 plus troops with the cost of 1
Some people might but I reckon the majority wouldn't bother with this troop. Assuming it has got past the outer walls, what's to say that an archer tower/wiz tower/cannon won't go and destroy them before they have a chance to do anything? There is very little reward for quite a big risk in this troop.
60 hp is enough to survive the simplest of defences true only the small bombs and if not proper in lvl to rogue but the rogue is no less survivable then the archer or bomb or goblin when it comes to wizard towers and single target dps like cannons but it's up to the operator to focus the fire on a giant pekka or Valkyrie first not saying people won't fumble at first but just like those week bombs we manage to get them through the fire and to the wall
I can see this being a novelty at first and then disregarded by the majority as bring far too cost ineffective.
I've used bombs to set off big bombs I've used goblins to set off big bombs the longer you play the easier you can spot thier placement on a base you want to attack when you reach the point you can spot the 2 spot gap in the base you might start looking for a troop that can set off that bomb and thus be at the point I've reached where 2 goblins or wall breakers max of 5 spots can clear big bombs that can wipe out an army of hogs or mages or archers 5 for how many you can save is the only math if people will use or not I'm telling g you I've been doing that math for a while
So let's look at it from another angle.
How would this troop know where to go? Would it go around aimlessly until it finds a trap or will it automatically know where the traps are?
If it's going around aimlessly then what's the point of it? It will be destroyed 9 times out of 10 before it finds a trap. If you already have an idea of where a trap is then I can use a barb or archer to activate it if it's outside of the walls. If it's inside the walls then I'm not taking a risk that this new troop will get inside the wall before it is either killed or another troop gets to it first.
If it knows where the trap is then how exactly is that fair on the defender? You might as well just show all hidden traps as this troop will go towards it anyway and give the game away. You could place them all around the base and see where they go.
The same function that allows goblins to go to res and giants... To defences would program Rogues to bombs and as for the use so thing else that doest work if there's a building in the way for the barb to attack. Most defences put a building to gather troops together then put the trap behind them closer to the wall depending I. The situation you can use a multiple of things I've even used a hog so he would run last the buffer building and into the bomb while pulling the enemy clan castle. Why not have a troop that can run around that dark barracks and jump on that spring or bomb instead of using other troops not designed for that purpose. Thus a new class forum where we find purposes in the game for new players and more strats I would love to see 50 different troops with specific purposes all working together and complimenting each other in 1 attack
Resources aren't hidden whereas traps are, that's the difference between a goblin going for something which is visible and this proposed troop going for something which is hidden.
So you say that people put traps near a building, say an archer tower, and they are attracted to it. How many of your troops would you propose to use to get to the archer tower to activate the trap before they are killed by the archer tower?
This new troop serves no real purpose when you take into account traps hidden behind walls. Chances are they will be destroyed before getting anywhere near the traps, and what's to say that normal troops wouldn't get to the trap first anyway?
If the trap is outside of the wall then chances are the attacker could make an educated guess as to where it is and send down an archer or barb to activate it, which will at least be able to attack something if it comes under attack or if the trap isn't where you suspect it to be.
Is it fair for someone to send two WB's and an army of goblin for loot or for lava hound to take out thier only opponent air d. it's a designed attack In which the attacker choses to set aside about 6 slots for a two pronged attack to wipe out 3-5 bombs and get his army to those walls safely I doubt if you spent 15 or so slots on rogues that even if take out all the traps of your opponent you would have enough room to build a functioning army to do any damage when you get to the wall. It's neither unbalanced for attacking or defending you can't have to many and expect to win really only enough to get that main army to the wall
Yes it is fair to do that, why wouldn't it be? The lava hound doesn't go straight for hidden air bombs does it? It goes for AD, which is visible to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsMith
My point is, and I'm sure others will agree, is that this troop is completely pointless. It would be slowed down by walls, just like every other ground troop bar hogs. It would give the attacker an unfair advantage in that it would go straight for hidden traps.
Right now I can make 8 bombers send em all in to wipe out all bombs and traps but spending 16 spots for 8 troops 3 of which are likely to die before reaching the wall or trap takes to much room so I go with 4 spend 8 spots and take out the traps for two sides of the base and send my army In I. That side and by the time thier at the other with all defences down traps on the other side don't mean as much with troops spread out at this point. Now since it's something that can be done so it is to unfair it's something that takes incite and strat and it's currently being done with rather ineffective costly squishy players not taylored for the task
Is it fair for someone to send two WB's and an army of goblin for loot or for lava hound to take out thier only opponent air d. it's a designed attack In which the attacker choses to set aside about 6 slots for a two pronged attack to wipe out 3-5 bombs and get his army to those walls safely I doubt if you spent 15 or so slots on rogues that even if take out all the traps of your opponent you would have enough room to build a functioning army to do any damage when you get to the wall. It's neither unbalanced for attacking or defending you can't have to many and expect to win really only enough to get that main army to the wall
I do appreciate the debate on the subject though should answer questions other might have later on, thanks
If you're using WB to take out traps then I suggest you need a new strategy.
I honestly don't think you've listened to a word I've said on here.
Pretty sure the game knows where the traps are so the same programming that send goblins to elixer will send rogues to traps. You can always distract an archer with a giant and send the rogue In for the bomb with 24 run speed with I had already factored in the original debate these rogues will run Past the giant and catch the bomb presumable before the giant gets the thus saving your giant form a flying lesson. And you can presume where thier at but when you break through those walls and they have bombs/ traps In the core to get rid of before your archers mages get there,send in rogues. Otherwise as soon as the wall breaks and they run out of dark barracks and fluff on the outside thier all going in. I'll break it down for ya giants go!!! Now the wall defences are on the giants rogues go now they have a clear line to the wAll then wallbreakers to let them Into the core of the base which typically has bombs and defense so right after your WBS send in more rogues after your giants take Aggro from the second line of d now being in thier walls and taking the full damage of d With archers and mages what ever you prefer doing clean up sounds like a strat That would make ground troops more effective with 6 or so rogues a game
As I said in a previous response, resources are visible to everyone so the goblins can see them. Hidden traps are not visible until activated, so why would this new troop know where they are? Do you see the difference between something being visible to all and something which is hidden for a reason?
Depending on the base yes I've used bombers before because they still blow up the wall and if you would try it and not ridicule you might like the strat if you need to take out a wall and the vase base d is some trivial with most are and you notice one side has the 2 spot gap and it's the only one on that side why not send the wall breaker if your two spots of the wall he how off opens up the wall and sets off the bomb. So in the spirit of the greatest game character I'd suggest " stay a while and listen"
I honestly have no idea what you are going on about now, you need to listen to what others say as it is quite clear that you haven't done that. I'll let others respond instead of me now, should they wish to do so. I'm not wasting anymore of my time on this.
When they put a big bomb up on thier wall and theres nothing else to run around a bomber will set off the bomb and blow up the wall try it get back with me and make sure your setting that bomber right outside the wall not at the other end of the map giving the d time to react let me know when you get back and your minds blown
There are multiple uses for lots of troops like I said need to get a bomb out between a lot of building send in a grunt need to get one on the wall that you do to plan on attacking with barracks and fluff in the way for any reason such as pulling clan castles or eliminating it before hand just to clear it send a goblin if there's res behind the wall that will attract him or a bomber if there's not they will run past the fluff hit the bomb now there's also sending in the solo hog before hand to set off bombs on the other side of the base. Lots of different useful ways to save armies but sacrificing soldiers . Now that we know it can has and will continue to be do e let's make a class for it
I'd love to debate this class further but it seems the usefulness is obvious so you must be arguing me not the subject please refrain from making this personal it's a class if it's not for you I'd appreciate you moving along you can even have the last word