Loot solutions

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Originally Posted by Janz

As I have explained above, storage raiding is unsustainable. Active players cannot solely raid active players because we consume more resources than we produce. Plain and simple.

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Go up in trophies and farm loot bonus. "Plain and simple". There is no reason to fret.
Why do you think some thrive in this world and others don't? It is because they react and adapt. They do not ask their creator to fix their bills, they invest and save.

So stop complaining, suck it up, and adapt.

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Originally Posted by HeroicAmish

Go up in trophies and farm loot bonus. "Plain and simple". There is no reason to fret.
Why do you think some thrive in this world and others don't? It is because they react and adapt. They do not ask their creator to fix their bills, they invest and save.

So stop complaining, suck it up, and adapt.

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As I have said multiple times, this is not the place for this discussion. If you would like, I'd be very willing to debate with you in the Loot Good/Bad Thread, but not here. Please, while I'm still asking you nicely. :D

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Originally Posted by ww4887

we can raid and consume more resourses than are introduced into the system. Reinstate the accounts you have removed in the last 30 days and those that you will remove going forward. Leave them as abandonded. It's the only way to even things out.
increase the percentage of loot available on raids. if you can't defend it, so be it. Im close to maxed on gold now and haven't lost more than a 1k in raids.
Go back to the old calculations of what's available on a raid, don't protect the upper level guys by reducing what they can loose.
honest opinion: coc is moving toward doa........

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Let abandoned base be abandoned? So it is not loot problem? It's just that you want abandoned bases for easy loot farming? Oh yeah why not make those collector produce twice as much? Also spawn more abandoned village so people can max out their base without any challenge... *full sarcasm intended* what a very grand idea of making the game easier....

as for going back to the old one... Are you sure? Before it was decreased and capped due to people crying that they're being raided 800k at one time.... Details: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...he-Loot-System it was last year even... And now you want to undo that?

my solutions: turn off any bots hoarding the base "always online" by reloading the games every few period

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Originally Posted by HeroicAmish

Go up in trophies and farm loot bonus. "Plain and simple". There is no reason to fret.
Why do you think some thrive in this world and others don't? It is because they react and adapt. They do not ask their creator to fix their bills, they invest and save.

So stop complaining, suck it up, and adapt.

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Because casual players have time to farm in champs. Lol. This made me laugh.

To the OP: we need loot for winning defenses. Also quests would be amazing too.

Hi All,
Making collectors produce more resources is not the correct solution to this problem. It will only make People sit on a shield and keep collecting resources from mines and pumps , then upgrade buildings without any problems. This is not the way to play. You must attack others and steal their resources in order to progress.
A solution that can be good is increasing the loot bonus by double or triple and then giving it according to the stars gained.

Eg. Current loot bonus of masters 3 is 100k each. If we make it 200k each for 100% destruction, then
1 star ( Th snipe or 50% ) -- 25% loot bonus i.e. 50k each
2 stars ( Th + 50% ) -- 50% loot bonus i.e. 100k each
3 stars ( 100% Destruction ) -- 100% loot bonus i.e. 200k each

This way, more people will try to use heavy armies and attack any base which is even worth less than 50k each.
Due to long training times ,
- People will gem training times
-Boost barracks
- Keep Th inside to prevent Trophy loss as soon as they log off.

This will make the game a true trophy pushing game as before. Higher Th's will no more stay in lower trophy ranges and farm those lower th's because of loot penalty and low loot bonus.
This way, People will rely on the loot bonus which will be constant rather than abandoned bases or Low lvl players carrying High loot in storages which is very random to find.

If my idea requires any edit or it has problems, please quote and reply to it.

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Originally Posted by prateeksharmaplaysclash

Hi All,
Making collectors produce more resources is not the correct solution to this problem. It will only make People sit on a shield and keep collecting resources from mines and pumps , then upgrade buildings without any problems. This is not the way to play. You must attack others and steal their resources in order to progress.
A solution that can be good is increasing the loot bonus by double or triple and then giving it according to the stars gained.

Eg. Current loot bonus of masters 3 is 100k each. If we make it 200k each for 100% destruction, then
1 star ( Th snipe or 50% ) -- 25% loot bonus i.e. 50k each
2 stars ( Th + 50% ) -- 50% loot bonus i.e. 100k each
3 stars ( 100% Destruction ) -- 100% loot bonus i.e. 200k each

This way, more people will try to use heavy armies and attack any base which is even worth less than 50k each.
Due to long training times ,
- People will gem training times
-Boost barracks
- Keep Th inside to prevent Trophy loss as soon as they log off.

This will make the game a true trophy pushing game as before. Higher Th's will no more stay in lower trophy ranges and farm those lower th's because of loot penalty and low loot bonus.
This way, People will rely on the loot bonus which will be constant rather than abandoned bases or Low lvl players carrying High loot in storages which is very random to find.

If my idea requires any edit or it has problems, please quote and reply to it.

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To 3 a base in masters you will using a 300-400k lixir/DE army+spells just for the chance of getting 200k with high risk of coming up short and getting only 100k so not many would even bother so this wouldn't fix anything.

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Originally Posted by mikaru

Let abandoned base be abandoned? So it is not loot problem? It's just that you want abandoned bases for easy loot farming? Oh yeah why not make those collector produce twice as much? Also spawn more abandoned village so people can max out their base without any challenge... *full sarcasm intended* what a very grand idea of making the game easier....

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Troll much? Lol
Abandoned bases shouldn't be the goal of all raids. But as previously stated, we need more then we can produce ourselves. There is a middle ground with the abandoned bases. Don't fool yourself. When you come up to a base full to the brim, they probably found abandoned bases. To get loot from them you need a good army. Some people will go threw hundreds of next a day to find abandoned bases. Then real army's are required to raid those people.
I can't say where that is cause I don't have the stats nor would I want to read threw all that data but there should be several in the system. If people don't raid them we don't get very good raids off those raiders which leads to even more Barch army's and more need for bigger bonus.

Bonus shouldn't be the goal. One to get a better bonus you have to go artificially high to make much and it encourages more Barching and sniping. That means more grind then before and less casual fun. Bonus should be only a bonus. Not the primary means to an end. Making the bonus the goal means having a quality economy isn't the goal. Its like increasing unemployment basically.
Raise the production rate slightly for collectors.

Put minimum amount to elixer upgrade walls and make it more costly then for gold.

No 24/7 raiding, or barching X times in an unhumanly possible amount of time. Kick them, and check their clanmates.

Add more Goblin camps, just for fun 😊

The instructions from the thread starter is pretty simple and easy and yet some of us here cannot follow simple instructions can we? The problem with this forum is that MOST OF THE MEMBERS thinks they are superior, like a boss, the more posts they have, the more they think they're someone who not to mess up with.


About the topic :

"Nexting" becomes expensive nexting for more than 20 times just to find loots below 60k using (i,e) barch, they could either
1.) Reduce the cost
2.) have an option to choose between elixir or gold when searching.

Loots for TH9 and TH10 sucks, maybe they can somehow :
1.) Reduce the loot penalty.
2.) Change the game codes so abandoned bases could be searched more often.

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Originally Posted by Janz

Regardless, please take it somewhere else. Our best bet is to try to keep this thread concise and easily readable for anyone who chooses to do so. Irrelevant comments aren't helping.

On to my idea. It may not be the best, but it's something to get the ball rolling.

Supercell has stated that they have statistics showing the usage and effectiveness of different troop compositions (I'd give a link, but I don't remember where I read that). They should look at these statistics, and find the average cost of an army required to 100% a base in each trophy league. Those costs should become the new league bonuses. They would be significantly higher than they are currently.

Then the league bonuses should not be awarded based on winning the battle, but on the percentage of the base destroyed. In theory, that should make up for the cost of an average army required to 100% a base. And sniping a Town Hall would only award a very small percentage of the league bonus. The loot penalty should then be applied to the league bonus to prevent Town Hall 9s and 10s from sitting in Gold 1 and barching Town Hall 7s for 100%.

Then there's the idea of removing the shield from destroying the Town Hall. I think this might actually be a pretty good idea in this system. It would bring a lot of high loot bases back into the search queue. We farmers will have our bases attacked a lot more often, meaning we will lose more loot but it will be much easier to get it back.

This system would encourage more players to raid other active players (which currently is unsustainable). This system would be sustainable.

It would also require us to do a lot less nexting, which isn't fun at all, and a huge waste of gold. A lot of people here support the idea of making the nexting cost go to a pool for each base when it gets skipped, which can be won by the attacker for attacking that base. I disagree with that because I think it would be exploitable. Very strong bases could drop way down in trophies, have their base nexted 1000s of times, and attack other players who do the same, and win a huge sum of gold. So I think that one's a no-no. :p

Barching/BAMing would still be the most efficient means to farm, but then big armies would also become profitable. Who wouldn't rather farm with a stronger army instead of Barching/BAMing their brains out all the time? I think most people would agree that it would be much more fun.

Oh, and trap rearming costs should be awarded for successful defenses. No reason to punish us for defending our bases :p

I'm sure that's more than 100 words, but I feel it's better to explain things as clearly as possible. There were people with some pretty good ideas in the old loot thread. Hopefully they find this and post them here.

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You put a lot of thought into this

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Originally Posted by WarrenR86

Abandoned bases shouldn't be the goal of all raids. But as previously stated, we need more then we can produce ourselves. There is a middle ground with the abandoned bases.

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That really is the basis of the problem. The economy is too dependent on people raiding the collectors of inactive players. Many people see this as a major problem that needs to be addressed.

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Originally Posted by WarrenR86

Bonus shouldn't be the goal. One to get a better bonus you have to go artificially high to make much and it encourages more Barching and sniping. That means more grind then before and less casual fun. Bonus should be only a bonus. Not the primary means to an end. Making the bonus the goal means having a quality economy isn't the goal. Its like increasing unemployment basically.
Raise the production rate slightly for collectors.

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Increasing bonuses is the only way to move away from the dependence on inactive players. The loot system can't be based solely on stealing from each others storages because resources simply get exchanged between players, then used on upgrades, removing them from the economy. Then the amount of resources in the economy would ultimately drop to zero. Bonuses and inactive players have to exist for this not to happen.

Are we all content with nexting 100s of times to find inactive bases and mindlessly barching their collectors over and over? I doubt it. I think the majority of players would find much more enjoyment in hitting bases with bigger armies. The only way to make that feasible is to increase league bonuses.

Bottom line, we need to do this in a way that addresses the nexting issue, brings more enjoyment to the players, and gives the players more options to play the game.