walls and competitive playing

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November 18th, 2014
jamesserrano9999

walls and competitive playing

i have read a lot of threads about th9 walling. and the problem with sleeping builders..
I believe i can go legos just in time the builder went idle around 160 days more.

we are also a warring 24/7 clan.
5 questions would be
1.is it ok to up your th even in lego walls?
2. it is not possible to max your heroes in th9 without having a sleeping builder or gemming them. So my question would be what is the advisable range level of heroes before going to th10?
3. Do most people have idle builder just for walls?
4. how long do most people stay in th9. (clash of clans manager give me around 160 days left if no builders are idle.
5. best 3star war strategy in max th9.

thanks in advance.
November 18th, 2014
IHateWalls

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Originally Posted by jamesserrano9999

i have read a lot of threads about th9 walling. and the problem with sleeping builders..
I believe i can go legos just in time the builder went idle around 160 days more.

we are also a warring 24/7 clan.
5 questions would be
1.is it ok to up your th even in lego walls?
2. it is not possible to max your heroes in th9 without having a sleeping builder or gemming them. So my question would be what is the advisable range level of heroes before going to th10?
3. Do most people have idle builder just for walls?
4. how long do most people stay in th9. (clash of clans manager give me around 160 days left if no builders are idle.
5. best 3star war strategy in max th9.

thanks in advance.

1) What do you mean by ok? Theoretically speaking, you can be on top of the leader boards with no defenses. All that truly matters is offense. Of course, the better your walls/defenses are, the easier it is to climb and maintain trophies.
2) Just because you can't max heroes without sleeping builders doesn't mean its impossible. Unless clan wars are very important to you (As heroes play little to no role in determining the strength of a base), you don't need to worry about the levels of you heroes. I'm guessing you don't play alot or don't boost barracks so at TH10, even with the loot penalty, you should still farm at least the same amount of DE as you can at TH9.
3) Some people leave a spare builder open for walls. Shouldn't matter for most people as even with only 4 builders working on buildings, you'll probably still max TH9 buildings before walls. On the other hand, having a idle builder lets you dump resources into your walls so you lose less loot in the long run.
4) How are we suppose to know? Some people blatantly skip straight to TH10 while others completely max it.
5) Very vague. There is no perfect army. A army that 3 stars 1 base might 0 star another.
November 18th, 2014
jamesserrano9999

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Originally Posted by IHateWalls

1) What do you mean by ok? Theoretically speaking, you can be on top of the leader boards with no defenses. All that truly matters is offense. Of course, the better your walls/defenses are, the easier it is to climb and maintain trophies.
2) Just because you can't max heroes without sleeping builders doesn't mean its impossible. Unless clan wars are very important to you (As heroes play little to no role in determining the strength of a base), you don't need to worry about the levels of you heroes. I'm guessing you don't play alot or don't boost barracks so at TH10, even with the loot penalty, you should still farm at least the same amount of DE as you can at TH9.
3) Some people leave a spare builder open for walls. Shouldn't matter for most people as even with only 4 builders working on buildings, you'll probably still max TH9 buildings before walls. On the other hand, having a idle builder lets you dump resources into your walls so you lose less loot in the long run.
4) How are we suppose to know? Some people blatantly skip straight to TH10 while others completely max it.
5) Very vague. There is no perfect army. A army that 3 stars 1 base might 0 star another.

1. what i mean in ok would be ok in the sense that it would still be as competitive. (and not considered a noob/rusher.
2. well i can say it was pretty impossible, i am upgrading my heroes one at a time (they sometimes both sleep to a few hours to 1 day) unless you are coming from a premie th8. the build time for defenses is still much shorter than the heroes upgrade time ( i am currently at 265 days left).
5. well it was pretty easy to 3 star th8 by using hogs with dragon plus balloons in cc. or 3 starring a th7 using lightning + drag.
so there is no combo that if played satisfactorily can 3 star a base in th9?
November 18th, 2014
IHateWalls

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Originally Posted by jamesserrano9999

1. what i mean in ok would be ok in the sense that it would still be as competitive. (and not considered a noob/rusher.
2. well i can say it was pretty impossible, i am upgrading my heroes one at a time (they sometimes both sleep to a few hours to 1 day) unless you are coming from a premie th8. the build time for defenses is still much shorter than the heroes upgrade time ( i am currently at 265 days left).
5. well it was pretty easy to 3 star th8 by using hogs with dragon plus balloons in cc. or 3 starring a th7 using lightning + drag.
so there is no combo that if played satisfactorily can 3 star a base in th9?

1) In this case it's opinion based. My person opinion is that anything less than Lego's is rushed. Now that you can upgrade walls with elixir, Lego's should take just a bit longer than Skulls to complete.
2) I agree most people including myself failed to max heroes. But if you truly want max heroes, you should keep 2 builders huts on them, 2 on structures, and one for walls.
5) Right. With balloonian, dragons, gowipe, holowiwi, hogs, and all other strategies viable at TH9, there is no base that can defend against all threats. You must analyze a base's weakness and exploit it for the 3 star.
November 18th, 2014
tomatosarenice

1.is it ok to up your th even in lego walls?

Sure, just remember you'll end up upgrading them anyway, going to TH 10 will only increase your loot penalty. That being said, if you have everything else maxed you might as well upgrade TH.

2. it is not possible to max your heroes in th9 without having a sleeping builder or gemming them. So my question would be what is the advisable range level of heroes before going to th10?

Try to get them at least 20+

3. Do most people have idle builder just for walls?

Dunno about most, but personally no

5. best 3star war strategy in max th9.

GoWiPe, hogs, or balloonion based on opponents base
November 18th, 2014
jamesserrano9999

Any more suggestions /advises?
November 18th, 2014
earhole

I personally just move up when all or most of the weapons are max. No point in staying around just to max walls.
November 20th, 2014
jamesserrano9999

well might as well keep my builders busy and let time decide. thanks.
November 20th, 2014
Hulkified

My lava walls stomp th10 gowipers 9 times out of 10.

My hogs don't care about people's lava walls.

Point is it depends how serious you are about this game and where your play style allows you to go. No one can tell you but yourself what is the best for you.
November 20th, 2014
toughguy247

I am about 2 months into th9 right now. I have about 40 legos built so far. I personally keep one builder free for the walls, 2-3 builders for defense, and 1-2 for elixir buildings (camps, DE drill etc.) or hero upgrade. From what I understand, th9 defenses costs about 100 million, and the walls at th9 take about 195 million (That is a vague guess of what I remember reading a while back.) Heroes to max at th9 also take like 275 days if you are upgrading them non stop. So my thought process is even if never kept a builder free and only kept defenses upgrading non stop, I am going to be done with my defenses WAAAAY before my heroes are done, so I might as well start on the walls now so I am not sitting there with idle builders for 4 months after my defenses finish. I think you can definitely allocate one builder to walls and be just fine.
November 20th, 2014
AlvinSoehendryWijaya

PWall cost 1b for th9
lv9 cost 1 mil lv 10 cost 3 mil
4 mil x 250 wall= 1 b
there should be more remember 25 wall are new u need to upgrade from lv 1 to 8
November 20th, 2014
Ghoti

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Originally Posted by earhole

I personally just move up when all or most of the weapons are max. No point in staying around just to max walls.

I do agree with this up until th9. The loot penalty is just so massive at th10 that it's worth is to wait around and get those walls to at least level 9, ideally level 10, regardless of how many builders you have idle. You're close to hitting a wall anyways where you'll inevitably have idle builders, so why not wait a bit and maximize you're raiding efficiency as much as you can. Also a good time to max heroes while you're at it.
January 7th, 2015
jamesserrano9999

decided to give some a progress of what i did.
already around two months in th9.

completed most of the new buildings to th8 level (meaning most of the defense building are on the same level now)
xbows are both lvl2.
heroes are bk 14
aq lvl 10
legoes aquired 168..

lab upgrades was barb-balloons-heal-hogs lvl4-hogs lvl5 (currently in the lab).
expected time to reach maximum defense and resources will be on march.

i still can only 3 star new th9.. or premmie th9.
drag/balloons is my mainstrategy. given the 4th air def is still under leveled.

so technically i will spend around 5-6 months here in th9.
January 7th, 2015
IDBGOD28

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Originally Posted by Hulkified

My lava walls stomp th10 gowipers 9 times out of 10.

My hogs don't care about people's lava walls.

Point is it depends how serious you are about this game and where your play style allows you to go. No one can tell you but yourself what is the best for you.

100% agree with Hulk.

I also don't understand why so many are so concerned about idle builders. Idle builders don't really matter once you hit high 9/10. It's more of a thing for lower TH's (8 and under).

As you approach end game idle builders are inevitable as things are increasingly more expensive and a fortune to save for. It is near impossible to have all 5 builders going non-stop regardless unless you are playing on boost for 12+ hrs a day.

For high lvl wall farming, you will have idle builders period..no way around it. Lavas are exponentially easier to do at TH9 than 10 also due to loot penalties and the fact you can't raid those juicy TH8's any more.

So yeah, depends on what your goals for the game are. If you ever want a max Th10 with high walls it's better to max them at a lower TH when you can optimize loot.

If your goal is infernos and a max offense asap...then go ahead and don't worry too much about walls. But then you'll just be another average Th10 with weak walls and heroes.

The choice is yours.

At the very minimum I would have all legos and lvl 20 heroes before moving up to TH10 (max lab besides valks).
January 7th, 2015
AlvinSoehendryWijaya

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Originally Posted by IDBGOD28

100% agree with Hulk.

I also don't understand why so many are so concerned about idle builders. Idle builders don't really matter once you hit high 9/10. It's more of a thing for lower TH's (8 and under).

As you approach end game idle builders are inevitable as things are increasingly more expensive and a fortune to save for. It is near impossible to have all 5 builders going non-stop regardless unless you are playing on boost for 12+ hrs a day.

For high lvl wall farming, you will have idle builders period..no way around it. Lavas are exponentially easier to do at TH9 than 10 also due to loot penalties and the fact you can't raid those juicy TH8's any more.

So yeah, depends on what your goals for the game are. If you ever want a max Th10 with high walls it's better to max them at a lower TH when you can optimize loot.

If your goal is infernos and a max offense asap...then go ahead and don't worry too much about walls. But then you'll just be another average Th10 with weak walls and heroes.

The choice is yours.

At the very minimum I would have all legos and lvl 20 heroes before moving up to TH10 (max lab besides valks).

Try to maxxing this game as fast as possible so idle builder is bad
if u farming 4 m gold elixir per day u can max your th9 and wall at same time with builder fully used
time efficient
January 7th, 2015
AlvinSoehendryWijaya

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Originally Posted by toughguy247

I am about 2 months into th9 right now. I have about 40 legos built so far. I personally keep one builder free for the walls, 2-3 builders for defense, and 1-2 for elixir buildings (camps, DE drill etc.) or hero upgrade. From what I understand, th9 defenses costs about 100 million, and the walls at th9 take about 195 million (That is a vague guess of what I remember reading a while back.) Heroes to max at th9 also take like 275 days if you are upgrading them non stop. So my thought process is even if never kept a builder free and only kept defenses upgrading non stop, I am going to be done with my defenses WAAAAY before my heroes are done, so I might as well start on the walls now so I am not sitting there with idle builders for 4 months after my defenses finish. I think you can definitely allocate one builder to walls and be just fine.

Wall to max take 1 billion mate