To the low level trophy chasers...

If you're complaining about the match making because you are now being matched with high level opponents, this means you have too many trophies for your level. People have been saying this in response to complaints about being attacked by higher levels since the game began. Now that the match making actually matches you closer to your trophy level, you can no longer "next match" your way to weak bases to increase your trophies.

One would think that instead of complaining, the match making changes would be a wake up call for you. Proof, if you will, about what others have been saying.

YOU HAVE TOO MANY TROPHIES TO SUSTAIN FOR YOUR CURRENT NUMBER OF UPGRADES.

All of those high level bases represent the upgrades you need to stay where you are and to progress any further. It's not unfair. Put in the time/money to grow your base. What's unfair is to expect to be able to have as many trophies as them without putting in the time and effort they did.

The solution for you is to drop your trophies to an appropriate level so you can grow your base. No longer will you farm trophies from the weak to artificially inflate your trophy level above what it should be. You want trophies, you have to play with the big boys now.

Match making based on level or th level should not and will not happen. Level in this game is meaningless and th level matching will cause people to not want to upgrade (similar to the loot situation, but far more severe). This would be very very bad. Likewise artificial controls are not going to be put in place to allow you to match each other unimpeded to the top. This would invalidate the entire point of upgrading your base.

It's becoming almost a matter of faith for you. Despite all of the posts and reasoning about why it won't work and despite the fact that they tested this in beta and it didn't work, you say if you believe hard enough this faulty method of match making would be successful. It wouldn't.

If you can't handle this, and decide to quit, make sure you leave your resource collectors and storages undefended. The more easy to obtain resources there are, the less people will spend on gems. Having people buy less gems is the only way to impact Supercell.

Good points. Matchmaking is finally doing what it is supposed to do.

dahimi, I'm with you 100%. I was actually just about to post something like this myself, but you saved me the trouble.

Rauta clearly stated that SC didn't make the matches harder. It's just that you're now getting matched up closer to your trophy level. If you find that you have a hard time winning at that level, then it means your army isn't up to par yet for you to move up in trophy count. So what do you do now? Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. I'm not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp for some people.

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Originally Posted by l2djae

dahimi, I'm with you 100%. I was actually just about to post something like this myself, but you saved me the trouble.

Rauta clearly stated that SC didn't make the matches harder. It's just that you're now getting matched up closer to your trophy level. If you find that you have a hard time winning at that level, then it means your army isn't up to par yet for you to move up in trophy count. So what do you do now? Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. I'm not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp for some people.

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Because they want something for nothing. They rant and rave about "fairness" while trying to promote a level based matching system which would be ridiculously unfair with respect to trophy counts.

Ive only attacked once today with the new set and i have to admit that i used to look for a bit easier targets in the past but so far i think this update is pretty good.

I have what some would consider low T's (1569) for my LVL55 but that's because i didn't just try to run through battles and gain super amounts of T's, i tried to find good bases with good resources so that i could upgrade my stuff.

This new update forced me to fight people that i would normally pass on and guess what, it showed me that i CAN fight these more difficult opponents.

Also one thing that i really like so far is that balance, before the update it would be like win 3 T loose 34, now its like win 24 loose 24, and i feel that is the correct balance. Your win/loss ratio should be a closer balance.

Sure, peeps are going to loose more often now since we have to raid peeps closer to our level but that makes things good, its a nice balance and i think i like it.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

YOU HAVE TOO MANY TROPHIES TO SUSTAIN FOR YOUR CURRENT NUMBER OF UPGRADES.

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I'm sorry but isn't that the point of the game - to work your way up the trophy count while collecting resources and upgrading your base? I am a fairly low level base but I've worked my ♥♥♥ off to get to 2k trophies all the while upgrading anything and everything I could. I make strategic decisions about what to upgrade to enable me to play my game and my builders are always busy. ... but then they go and change the rules (again) and the only solution is for me to trophy drop? Personally I think your line of thought is flawed. It's a race to the top not to the bottom - it's a slow and steady increase in play and ability and I'm sorry but I should be able to pick on people with the same level of town hall (and therefore def) as me and I shouldn't be penalized because I have invested time and effort into the game to increase my trophy levels.

Matches should be based on a persons level not trophy count alone. I have been at 2000 t since level 40 and that shows an active player who upgrades when possible, donates a ton and plays a ton - not someone who trophy dropped for a quick fix to pick on smaller bases. I am looking for a challenging road, not the easy trophy dropping road and certainly not an impossible battle road (as it is with this update).

So no.. I'm not just sitting here and complaining but I think this 'fix' missed an important part of matching (level) which would still enable super bases to attack super bases and for me to continue to work my way up without having to lose the trophies I have worked very hard for.

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Originally Posted by Aimee

I'm sorry but isn't that the point of the game - to work your way up the trophy count while collecting resources and upgrading your base? I am a fairly low level base but I've worked my ♥♥♥ off to get to 2k trophies all the while upgrading anything and everything I could. I make strategic decisions about what to upgrade to enable me to play my game and my builders are always busy. ... but then they go and change the rules (again) and the only solution is for me to trophy drop? Personally I think your line of thought is flawed. It's a race to the top not to the bottom - it's a slow and steady increase in play and ability and I'm sorry but I should be able to pick on people with the same level of town hall (and therefore def) as me and I shouldn't be penalized because I have invested time and effort into the game to increase my trophy levels.

Matches should be based on a persons level not trophy count alone. I have been at 2000 t since level 40 and that shows an active player who upgrades when possible, donates a ton and plays a ton - not someone who trophy dropped for a quick fix to pick on smaller bases. I am looking for a challenging road, not the easy trophy dropping road and certainly not an impossible battle road (as it is with this update).

So no.. I'm not just sitting here and complaining but I think this 'fix' missed an important part of matching (level) which would still enable super bases to attack super bases and for me to continue to work my way up without having to lose the trophies I have worked very hard for.

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No, there is no "point" to the game. Some people like to focus on upgrading their base, some on trophies, others on making silly designs with their walls, and still others who play the game like a puzzle trying to figure out its mechanics. All play styles are valid, and the game is what you make it.

If you want to chase trophies, fine, but trophies are the ranking system. A person with a greater upgraded base then you should have more trophies than you if you're both trophy chasing. Upgrading your base is the path to higher trophies. You should not be able to move up in the ranking system by systematically defeating people with less trophies than you. It was a loophole in the system that permitted low level people to raise their rank 1 or 2 trophies at a time by defeating lots of weaker (sometimes much weaker) opponents.

Do you really think it makes sense to have a ranking system consisting of members who got there by almost exclusively defeating much much weaker opponents and not people of the same rank as them?

As for the level based matching, you are once again preaching gospel. If you want to convince people that level based matching is a way to go you have to counter all of the arguments against it. You can't just preach fairness. These arguments are, in no particular order:

1. Levels are meaningless. Joining a clan gives you exp. Donating troops gives you exp. Winning battles gives you exp. Selling and buying buildings gives (or gave) you exp. Achievement chasing gives you exp. Clearing obstacles gives you exp. These are all activities that mean nothing about how strong you are. Why should matching be based on how many troops you donated or trees you cleared?

2. You people like to preach about fairness and hard work. Matching based on level will allow low level people to advance unimpeded. How is this fair to all of the people that put effort into their bases so that they could compete properly at high trophy levels?

3. What motivation will there be to donate troops or upgrade your base if you know that each experience point you get makes you a bit weaker?

I don't think the fact that I play A Lot, only spend about 5 dollars a week, and gained a butt load of trophies makes me lazy :/
and I have the right to feel bumbed that being lvl 7th with almost 1700 trophies makes me almost Only encounter opponents with xbows- so I am forced back down. I had no clue all the other 1650-1700 T holders were sooooo advanced

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Originally Posted by dahimi

No, there is no "point" to the game. Some people like to focus on upgrading their base, some on trophies, others on making silly designs with their walls, and still others who play the game like a puzzle trying to figure out its mechanics. All play styles are valid, and the game is what you make it.

If you want to chase trophies, fine, but trophies are the ranking system. A person with a greater upgraded base then you should have more trophies than you if you're both trophy chasing. Upgrading your base is the path to higher trophies. You should not be able to move up in the ranking system by systematically defeating people with less trophies than you. It was a loophole in the system that permitted low level people to raise their rank 1 or 2 trophies at a time by defeating lots of weaker (sometimes much weaker) opponents.

Do you really think it makes sense to have a ranking system consisting of members who got there by almost exclusively defeating much much weaker opponents and not people of the same rank as them?

As for the level based matching, you are once again preaching gospel. If you want to convince people that level based matching is a way to go you have to counter all of the arguments against it. You can't just preach fairness. These arguments are, in no particular order:

1. Levels are meaningless. Joining a clan gives you exp. Donating troops gives you exp. Winning battles gives you exp. Selling and buying buildings gives (or gave) you exp. Achievement chasing gives you exp. Clearing obstacles gives you exp. These are all activities that mean nothing about how strong you are. Why should matching be based on how many troops you donated or trees you cleared?

2. You people like to preach about fairness and hard work. Matching based on level will allow low level people to advance unimpeded. How is this fair to all of the people that put effort into their bases so that they could compete properly at high trophy levels?

3. What motivation will there be to donate troops or upgrade your base if you know that each experience point you get makes you a bit weaker?

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everyone had their own 'point' to the game. Now mine is crushed. No T chasing for me. In six months when all my stuff is upgraded, sure I will have more T, but so will everyone else, thus my Rank won't change, unless I spend more $ to quicken my process.

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

I don't think the fact that I play A Lot, only spend about 5 dollars a week, and gained a butt load of trophies makes me lazy :/

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No it makes you foolish. You tried to game the ranking system by defeating tons of lower ranked weaker people and now Supercell is putting the smack down on you by matching you with people of your own rank.

The free lunch is over. If you want trophies you need to spend time building a base that can stand with others of its rank.

Personally I think they shouldn't even give you 1 or 2 trophies for defeating much weaker people. What does it say about a ranking system that is populated at the high end by lots of people that can't even defeat others of the same rank?

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

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everyone had their own 'point' to the game. Now mine is crushed. No T chasing for me. In six months when all my stuff is upgraded, sure I will have more T, but so will everyone else, thus my Rank won't change, unless I spend more $ to quicken my process.

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No because in 6 months there will be a ton of new people who are also lower than you. A base has an equilibrium with respect to its ability to defend and acquire trophies. If you upgrade your base and move up, your relative rank will change. It will just require you to make intelligent upgrade choices and use good tactics on the offensive.

At the high end you're right. The leader board is one big gem fest. Hate to break that to you, but money trumps everything else in this game. The people at the top are the ones willing to spend the most.

I am a "low-level trophy chaser" ( lvl 47, lvl 7 town hall, 1750 trophies) and this update has led to a big increase Of Trophies for me. Attacking high level opponents nets me ten trophies for only getting one star, and I have only been attacked by people closer to my lvl (which my defense wins). Today I went from 1650 to 1750 trophies and only did about 5 attacks.

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Originally Posted by Mendax

I am a "low-level trophy chaser" ( lvl 47, lvl 7 town hall, 1750 trophies) and this update has led to a big increase Of Trophies for me. Attacking high level opponents nets me ten trophies for only getting one star, and I have only been attacked by people closer to my lvl (which my defense wins). Today I went from 1650 to 1750 trophies and only did about 5 attacks.

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Good. That's how it is supposed to work. If you have managed a base design that can defend those trophies, more power to you.

I have a lv 8 th but am maintaining only about 800 trophies so I typically only suffer little nicks and bruises when defending and lose only 1k resources (TH is sitting outside walls). This update actually helped me, because it used to be that maybe 1/10 defences I actually got plowed by a 2000 trophy player for a single trophy but huge resource loss. Now those people should never see me again :P

Sandbagging is not exactly noble, but it sure beats losing 200k per defence.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

No it makes you foolish. You tried to game the ranking system by defeating tons of lower ranked weaker people and now Supercell is putting the smack down on you by matching you with people of your own rank.

The free lunch is over. If you want trophies you need to spend time building a base that can stand with others of its rank.

Personally I think they shouldn't even give you 1 or 2 trophies for defeating much weaker people. What does it say about a ranking system that is populated at the high end by lots of people that can't even defeat others of the same rank?

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You already accused me of being a 1-2 trophies chaser in my thread. And I explained not only I, but a lot of people gain their trophies fast by winning better battles, where if they lose they only lose a few.
Land what do you mean I tried? I did. I climbed those ranks, like I said, by Not being lazy about it. Second time you have criticized my base also, my base is fine! Not everyone who complains about being a lvl 7th being put up against Xbows plays the game the exact way you think.

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

You already accused me of being a 1-2 trophies chaser in my thread. And I explained not only I, but a lot of people gain their trophies fast by winning better battles, where if they lose they only lose a few.
Land what do you mean I tried? I did. I climbed those ranks, like I said, by Not being lazy about it. Second time you have criticized my base also, my base is fine! Not everyone who complains about being a lvl 7th being put up against Xbows plays the game the exact way you think.

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And good god u r so rude btw- the free lunch is over? Like you Never did any of the things you are accusing me of? I probably play a more fair game than you, since you seem to think everyone plays for 'free lunch'
you have no clue how much time some of us have worked at this. Also, if I had an Xbow, I wouldn't want lvl7 TH people to be able to play against me either. It's overkill.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

No because in 6 months there will be a ton of new people who are also lower than you. A base has an equilibrium with respect to its ability to defend and acquire trophies. If you upgrade your base and move up, your relative rank will change. It will just require you to make intelligent upgrade choices and use good tactics on the offensive.

At the high end you're right. The leader board is one big gem fest. Hate to break that to you, but money trumps everything else in this game. The people at the top are the ones willing to spend the most.

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But the newbies below wont change my rank. So I do think climbing the rank will slow down, so people like me who watched it every day might get bored. I hope not- we'll see

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

You already accused me of being a 1-2 trophies chaser in my thread. And I explained not only I, but a lot of people gain their trophies fast by winning better battles, where if they lose they only lose a few.
Land what do you mean I tried? I did. I climbed those ranks, like I said, by Not being lazy about it. Second time you have criticized my base also, my base is fine! Not everyone who complains about being a lvl 7th being put up against Xbows plays the game the exact way you think.

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If your base were fine for your trophy count, you shouldn't be having a problem with a matching system based on rank. You're now just getting fewer lower ranking bases. As a person that says they regularly attack bases with lots of trophies on offer, this should make you happy as it's weeding out all of the lesser ranked people that have fewer trophies on offer and give you more to lose.

As Rauta said, it didn't make the game harder so to speak. It's matching you better with people closer to your rank.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Good. That's how it is supposed to work. If you have managed a base design that can defend those trophies, more power to you.

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Oh btw, since u r chasing me in every thread I comment, ^ that is another thing you keep accusing me of. That I don't deserve my trophies and I need to upgrade my base- my base is fine. I don't lose hardly any trophies being attacked. The only thing I ever complained about was being forced to spend like 5000 coins to find a battle that didn't have an Xbow, since i wasn't even at 1700 trophies this morning. Who wouldn't be irritated?!?

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

And good god u r so rude btw- the free lunch is over? Like you Never did any of the things you are accusing me of? I probably play a more fair game than you, since you seem to think everyone plays for 'free lunch'
you have no clue how much time some of us have worked at this. Also, if I had an Xbow, I wouldn't want lvl7 TH people to be able to play against me either. It's overkill.

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I did do them, I just didn't complain about it. I started playing the game, got to the point where it was 1 or 2 trophies on offer per battle and came to the realization that it would be futile to try and go any further with a weak base.

That's the difference. I realize how the ranking system works, why it works the way it does, and happen to agree with it.

There you with fair play again. It's a ranking system. The people with the most money and most upgrades rise to the top. Not the people with weaker bases that launch the most attacks between shields. It's not unfair for it to match you with people of your rank. In fact, that is extremely fair.

As for how hard you worked, I don't really care. Sorry. You should've worked on leveling your defenses. I want the ranking system to mean something. People with a high rank should have damn good bases, not artificially protected ones.

If I had a xbow and cared about my trophy count, I'd want people who were level 7 TH to attack me all day long. It'd up my trophy count.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

I did do them, I just didn't complain about it. I started playing the game, got to the point where it was 1 or 2 trophies on offer per battle and came to the realization that it would be futile to try and go any further with a weak base.

That's the difference. I realize how the ranking system works, why it works the way it does, and happen to agree with it.

There you with fair play again. It's a ranking system. The people with the most money and most upgrades rise to the top. Not the people with weaker bases that launch the most attacks between shields. It's not unfair for it to match you with people of your rank. In fact, that is extremely fair.

As for how hard you worked, I don't really care. Sorry. You should've worked on leveling your defenses. I want the ranking system to mean something. People with a high rank should have damn good bases, not artificially protected ones.

If I had a xbow and cared about my trophy count, I'd want people who were level 7 TH to attack me all day long. It'd up my trophy count.

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My defenses are fiiiiiine

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

Oh btw, since u r chasing me in every thread I comment, ^ that is another thing you keep accusing me of. That I don't deserve my trophies and I need to upgrade my base- my base is fine. I don't lose hardly any trophies being attacked. The only thing I ever complained about was being forced to spend like 5000 coins to find a battle that didn't have an Xbow, since i wasn't even at 1700 trophies this morning. Who wouldn't be irritated?!?

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You're posting in a thread I created. Also why post if you don't want a response?

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Originally Posted by dahimi

You're posting in a thread I created. Also why post if you don't want a response?

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No, there were a couple other threads also...but also I admit I'm just irritated that in all these conversations you keep accusing me of having a weak base, playing for trophy at a time, saying play ur way or ♥♥♥♥, saying I'm playing for "free lunch and SC is putting the smack down on me" calling me foolish..............

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

No, there were a couple other threads also...but also I admit I'm just irritated that in all these conversations you keep accusing me of having a weak base, playing for trophy at a time, saying play ur way or ♥♥♥♥, saying I'm playing for "free lunch and SC is putting the smack down on me" calling me foolish..............

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So what exactly is your issue? Your defenses are fine and you say you didn't attack weaker targets for 1 trophy at a time. If that's the case, the match making should be fine. You should be getting lots of same rank targets with lots of trophies on offer.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

So what exactly is your issue? Your defenses are fine and you say you didn't attack weaker targets for 1 trophy at a time. If that's the case, the match making should be fine. You should be getting lots of same rank targets with lots of trophies on offer.

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My only issue is before, I didn't have to lose 200 trophies to stop seeing TH lvl 9s with xbows everywhere. And now I can't get those trophies back for a long time, because if I do, I'll just see those same monster size players again. So I am forced to stay at this trophy count, which I worry will make me loss interest in the game, going so slow. -shrugs-
oh and my other issue was just wanting to air out what happened, without someone chasing me around being so personably rude.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

YOU HAVE TOO MANY TROPHIES TO SUSTAIN FOR YOUR CURRENT NUMBER OF UPGRADES.

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Yes, I get it but...... people are attacking me with one barbarian in order to lose and drop trophies on purpose. I earn many trophies overnight by defending successfully over those meaningless attacks. As a result my trophy count increases significantly which does NOT reflect my real grade. So I have to do the same to other people to decrease my trophy count so that I can find decent matches. It's a cat and mouse game which really annoys me. Is this a part of the game that I have to accept?

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Originally Posted by Kitkatrehab

My only issue is before, I didn't have to lose 200 trophies to stop seeing TH lvl 9s with xbows everywhere. And now I can't get those trophies back for a long time, because if I do, I'll just see those same monster size players again. So I am forced to stay at this trophy count, which I worry will make me loss interest in the game, going so slow. -shrugs-

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Right but you're seeing that because it is matching you with same rank opponents where before it wasn't, yet you swear up and down that isn't the case.

Are you trying to tell me that you were regularly hitting non TH 9s that gave tons of trophies and now there are none to be seen and they are all TH 9? I was up there at one time too. It was only 1-3 trophies for each beatable base or it was the tough guys.

That simply doesn't match my own anecdotal experience or the anecdotal experiences of others that routinely posted in the forum complaining about nothing but 1-3 trophy matches or "no matches found". Nor does it add up with the way Supercell says match making works.

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Yes, I get it but...... people are attacking me with one barbarian in order to lose and drop trophies on purpose. I earn many trophies overnight by defending successfully over those meaningless attacks. As a result my trophy count increases significantly which does NOT reflect my real grade. So I have to do the same to other people to decrease my trophy count so that I can find decent matches. It's a cat and mouse game which really annoys me. Is this a part of the game that I have to accept?

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Yes you routinely have to adjust where you generally stand on the trophy ladder. After an update such as this there will be a fair amount of shuffling, but it'll settle down and you'll settle into equilibrium again.

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Right but you're seeing that because it is matching you with same rank opponents where before it wasn't, yet you swear up and down that isn't the case.

Are you trying to tell me that you were regularly hitting non TH 9s that gave tons of trophies and now there are none to be seen and they are all TH 9? I was up there at one time too. It was only 1-3 trophies for each beatable base or it was the tough guys.

That simply doesn't match my own anecdotal experience or the anecdotal experiences of others that routinely posted in the forum complaining about nothing but 1-3 trophy matches or "no matches found". Nor does it add up with the way Supercell says match making works.

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idk how you mean. Before there were offers of 10, 17, 25, 40, trophies. The 40s and 50s would be too hard, yes. But I would still attack if there was a chance of 1 star. Now the lowest trophies are 24ish for me. And if you lose, you lose almost even amount. And the xbows owners seem to be only offering me 30-35 trophies? I did read that the trophy amount had not changed. But it feels that way. Like I said, just yesterday, if they had an Xbow, I was offered way more than 30 trophies, because I'm only holding maybe 1600 myself

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idk how you mean. Before there were offers of 10, 17, 25, 40, trophies. The 40s and 50s would be too hard, yes. But I would still attack if there was a chance of 1 star. Now the lowest trophies are 24ish for me. And if you lose, you lose almost even amount. And the xbows owners seem to be only offering me 30-35 trophies? I did read that the trophy amount had not changed. But it feels that way. Like I said, just yesterday, if they had an Xbow, I was offered way more than 30 trophies, because I'm only holding maybe 1600 myself

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Perhaps they are dropping too in response to the changes.

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Originally Posted by Paulsod

Yes, I get it but...... people are attacking me with one barbarian in order to lose and drop trophies on purpose. I earn many trophies overnight by defending successfully over those meaningless attacks. As a result my trophy count increases significantly which does NOT reflect my real grade. So I have to do the same to other people to decrease my trophy count so that I can find decent matches. It's a cat and mouse game which really annoys me. Is this a part of the game that I have to accept?

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Dang that's real! That stinks, and will probably happen to a lot us.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Perhaps they are dropping too in response to the changes.

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Maybe. I just read the post about that couple comments up. I do hope that settles down soon. I love this game too much, I worry about it starting to stink.

But it's still a new game as well, SC is doing everything they can to please so many people who all gripe about opposite problems

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Perhaps they are dropping too in response to the changes.

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Thus the cycle begins again

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Thus the cycle begins again

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Lol.. You are so Right..

But let us all just drop, because aparently no one of us have earned out trophys by actually just being good at the game.. No, we have stolen them in the most hideous way, by winning our fights and deffences.. Shame on us ;-)

Aparently, now winning trophys in the game was a loophole.. Especially if against a player where you could win the fight.. But dropping down hundreds or thousand of trophys to loot newbie players that dont stand a chance, thats okay, in fact actually the new meaning of the game ?
Funny.. If i hadn't been "learned" this just now, i would really have thought it better the other way round ?




Ohh.. Just a thought.. When we have all dropped, wont we just be meeting the same players still.. So Will this really solve anything ?

Dahimi:If you're complaining about the match making because you are now being matched with high level opponents, this means you have too many trophies for your level.

ZUES: I agree. Strong villages are going to have a higher trophy count unless they are farmers.
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Dahimi: What's unfair is to expect to be able to have as many trophies as them without putting in the time and effort they did.

ZUES: Disagree, If those players won their high trophy count by winning 1-3 trophies per raid then they did put IN THE TIME AND EFFORT...just don't be surprise to see you lost 20-50 on defense the next day. Unless you were attacked my a strong farmer who has a strong units but a low trophy count. There i would say sucks since the farmer is stronger than the "victim" but has a lower trophy count.
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Dahimi: You want trophies, you have to play with the big boys now.

ZUES: A better statement is "You want trophies, you have to play with the big spenders now" Example: I've logged off within 10-20 minutes i get a notification that by village was attacked by ___________. Attacked by Pekkas and rage/pekkas, wizards, and rage. I visit their village surprise surprise they already have 6-8 pekkas in their army camps....Big boys, No. Big Spenders, Yes.
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Dahimi:Level in this game is meaningless.

ZUES: I 100% agree. and for no reason should it determine who a player is matched with. You get experience points for everything:donating, clearing trees, trunks, bushes, joining a clan, etc. But give them time Dahimi once they are lvl 70+ they'll understand and if they don't....oh my.
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12djae: If you find that you have a hard time winning at the level, then it means your army isn't up per yet for you to move up in trophy count.

Zues: Not in all cases, a player can have lvl 5 units but still lose because they are not attacking with pekkas, rage, wizard, lighting. they might not use pekkas as much since they take 1 hour to train and they don't want to be a big spender. Even using pekkas, rage, and wizards doesn't mean you'll automatically win...you need to include some strategy into your attack if your attacking a village that is max out.
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Aimee: Matches should be based on a persons level not trophy count alone.

ZUES: *Shakes head* When are people going to learn.
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Dshimi:No, there is no "point" to the game. Some people like to focus upgrading their base, some on trophies, others on silly designs....all play styles are valid, and the game is what you make of it.

ZUES: agree, If you want trophies but don't want to buy gems...sorry buddy its not going to work. So stop stressing over trophies and enjoy the game...I for one enjoy attacking villages and watching my units destroy the ♥♥♥♥ out of it. And using a variety of combos...archer, giants, and wb/ wizards, barbs, and dragons/ healer, giants, wizards, wb...the list goes on and on. Also trying different setups. thats the true beauty of the game not the number next to your name...yes, competing and trying to be #1 is also fun but if its causing stress please don't complain and enjoy the game. Games are supposed to be fun not cause stress. ;)
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Dshimi:so you really think it makes sense to have a ranking consisting of members who got there by almost exclusively defeating much weaker opponents and not people of the same as them.

ZUES: hey, if they put in the time and won 1-3 trophies per raid then yes i do think it makes sense just don't be surprise when you see you lost 20-50 trophies the next day on defense.
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Dshimi:If your base were fine for your trophy count, you shouldn't be having a problem with matching system based on rank.

ZUES: disagree, defense (Village) and offense (lvl of your units) are two completing separate things and shouldn't be combined. Its like the separation of state and church....Just becuase someone has a strong village doesn't automatically mean they have strong unites and just because someone has strong units doesn't mean they'll have a strong village.. The player can lose a lot on defense but win on offense all the time due to their weak village but strong units...and a player can lose a lot on offense but win all the time in defense. Extreme scenario: I can create a account, gem my way to lvl 9 town hall, gem my laboratory, gem my units and BOOM strong units but a very very weak village.
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People just enjoy the game and don't stress over trophies if you don't plan to buy gems. Enjoy the game!!! If losing trophies is causing you frustration and stress just stop and enjoy chatting with the people you met, enjoy raiding villages with a variety of combos, and have fun....but if you like to compete and be #1 and help your clan be #1 too then by some gems and compete....Game on ladies and gentlemen.

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Lol.. You are so Right..

But let us all just drop, because aparently no one of us have earned out trophys by actually just being good at the game.. No, we have stolen them in the most hideous way, by winning our fights and deffences.. Shame on us ;-)

Aparently, now winning trophys in the game was a loophole.. Especially if against a player where you could win the fight.. But dropping down hundreds or thousand of trophys to loot newbie players that dont stand a chance, thats okay, in fact actually the new meaning of the game ?
Funny.. If i hadn't been "learned" this just now, i would really have thought it better the other way round ?




Ohh.. Just a thought.. When we have all dropped, wont we just be meeting the same players still.. So Will this really solve anything ?

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Get real. There is no "being good at the game" at least not really. Your "skill" is a function of how long you've been playing and how much money you have spent. Unless you're a complete moron who doesn't know to keep their builders busy and how to build a decent defense by seeing what works when you attack, watch replays, and view top 50 bases.

You "earned" your trophies the same way farmers "earn" their resources. You hit the "next match" button until a target comes up that you know you can defeat that gives you a satisfactory troop/trophy ratio. The fact that you were able to do this enough times between shields so that you could grow your trophy count does not mean you have tons of skill. It means you have tons of time. It also cheapens the ranking system for those that actually have bases that can withstand being there while attacking people of the same rank.

Find another way to stroke your epeen.

No, everyone dropping will not create a problem. The match making is based on trophies. The pool of players at the bottom is already much larger than the pool at the top. If everyone drops the pool will just grow. That means you'll encounter some level 9 town halls, sure. However there are a lot more players that do not have level 9 town halls.

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Dahimi:If you're complaining about the match making because you are now being matched with high level opponents, this means you have too many trophies for your level.

ZUES: I agree. Strong villages are going to have a higher trophy count unless they are farmers.
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Dahimi: What's unfair is to expect to be able to have as many trophies as them without putting in the time and effort they did.

ZUES: Disagree, If those players won their high trophy count by winning 1-3 trophies per raid then they did put IN THE TIME AND EFFORT...just don't be surprise to see you lost 20-50 on defense the next day. Unless you were attacked my a strong farmer who has a strong units but a low trophy count. There i would say sucks since the farmer is stronger than the "victim" but has a lower trophy count.
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Dahimi: You want trophies, you have to play with the big boys now.

ZUES: A better statement is "You want trophies, you have to play with the big spenders now" Example: I've logged off within 10-20 minutes i get a notification that by village was attacked by ___________. Attacked by Pekkas and rage/pekkas, wizards, and rage. I visit their village surprise surprise they already have 6-8 pekkas in their army camps....Big boys, No. Big Spenders, Yes.
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Dahimi:Level in this game is meaningless.

ZUES: I 100% agree. and for no reason should it determine who a player is matched with. You get experience points for everything:donating, clearing trees, trunks, bushes, joining a clan, etc. But give them time Dahimi once they are lvl 70+ they'll understand and if they don't....oh my.
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12djae: If you find that you have a hard time winning at the level, then it means your army isn't up per yet for you to move up in trophy count.

Zues: Not in all cases, a player can have lvl 5 units but still lose because they are not attacking with pekkas, rage, wizard, lighting. they might not use pekkas as much since they take 1 hour to train and they don't want to be a big spender. Even using pekkas, rage, and wizards doesn't mean you'll automatically win...you need to include some strategy into your attack if your attacking a village that is max out.
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Aimee: Matches should be based on a persons level not trophy count alone.

ZUES: *Shakes head* When are people going to learn.
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Dshimi:No, there is no "point" to the game. Some people like to focus upgrading their base, some on trophies, others on silly designs....all play styles are valid, and the game is what you make of it.

ZUES: agree, If you want trophies but don't want to buy gems...sorry buddy its not going to work. So stop stressing over trophies and enjoy the game...I for one enjoy attacking villages and watching my units destroy the ♥♥♥♥ out of it. And using a variety of combos...archer, giants, and wb/ wizards, barbs, and dragons/ healer, giants, wizards, wb...the list goes on and on. Also trying different setups. thats the true beauty of the game not the number next to your name...yes, competing and trying to be #1 is also fun but if its causing stress please don't complain and enjoy the game. Games are supposed to be fun not cause stress. ;)
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Dshimi:so you really think it makes sense to have a ranking consisting of members who got there by almost exclusively defeating much weaker opponents and not people of the same as them.

ZUES: hey, if they put in the time and won 1-3 trophies per raid then yes i do think it makes sense just don't be surprise when you see you lost 20-50 trophies the next day on defense.
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Dshimi:If your base were fine for your trophy count, you shouldn't be having a problem with matching system based on rank.

ZUES: disagree, defense (Village) and offense (lvl of your units) are two completing separate things and shouldn't be combined. Its like the separation of state and church....Just becuase someone has a strong village doesn't automatically mean they have strong unites and just because someone has strong units doesn't mean they'll have a strong village.. The player can lose a lot on defense but win on offense all the time due to their weak village but strong units...and a player can lose a lot on offense but win all the time in defense. Extreme scenario: I can create a account, gem my way to lvl 9 town hall, gem my laboratory, gem my units and BOOM strong units but a very very weak village.
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People just enjoy the game and don't stress over trophies if you don't plan to buy gems. Enjoy the game!!! If losing trophies is causing you frustration and stress just stop and enjoy chatting with the people you met, enjoy raiding villages with a variety of combos, and have fun....but if you like to compete and be #1 and help your clan be #1 too then by some gems and compete....Game on and ladies and gentlemen.

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People seem to think that an investment of time entitles them to something. It doesn't, not in the real world and not in this game either. If you spent hours and hours climbing the trophy ladder at 1-3 trophies a pop, that's your own fault.

Not all investments are good ones.

I see the biggest complainants are the ones who refuses to farm. Ouch.

i agree not all investments are good ones such as buying gems daily, weekly, or monthly since in a couple of months or years that individual would say "damn did I really spend a lot of money on a free game?". And putting time into something doesn't automatically mean they should be entitled but if they put in the time those 1-3 cups are well deserved i guess since after all they did destroy a village and when a village is destroyed it means they accomplished something. Small or big its still an accomplishment. And if the game allowed players to win 1-3 trophies i don't see why it was wrong for them to do that. Life isn't fair. deal with it

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i agree not all investments are good ones such as buying gems daily, weekly, or monthly since in a couple of months or years that individual would say "damn did I really spend a lot of money on a free game?". And putting time into something doesn't automatically mean they should be entitled but if they put in the time those 1-3 cups are well deserved i guess since after all they did destroy a village and when a village is destroyed it means they accomplished something. Small or big its still an accomplishment. And if the game allowed players to win 1-3 trophies i don't see why it was wrong for them to do that. Life isn't fair. deal with it

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The cups are deserved, they just aren't entitled to have Supercell put controls in place so that they can keep them. It wasn't wrong for them to do that. It was wrong for them to do that while at the same time claiming the game wasn't fair because high levels could raid them. They want Supercell to permit them to slowly inch up there with complete impunity while completely ignoring the fact that they were engaging in similar farming techniques of their own, except for trophies instead of resources. You can't help but laugh at the irony of their current situation, no?

As for life not being fair, I'd say the same to you.

Deal with it.

yes, perdolee the biggest complainers are going to be the ones who refuse to farm since farmers want to run away from trophies and the complainers want to attract trophies. I for one like could care less about trophies. I much rather raid and destroy villages and upgrade too....just not a farmer with zero trophies.

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Get real. There is no "being good at the game" at least not really. Your "skill" is a function of how long you've been playing and how much money you have spent. Unless you're a complete moron who doesn't know to keep their builders busy and how to build a decent defense by seeing what works when you attack, watch replays, and view top 50 bases.

You "earned" your trophies the same way farmers "earn" their resources. You hit the "next match" button until a target comes up that you know you can defeat that gives you a satisfactory troop/trophy ratio. The fact that you were able to do this enough times between shields so that you could grow your trophy count does not mean you have tons of skill. It means you have tons of time. It also cheapens the ranking system for those that actually have bases that can withstand being there while attacking people of the same rank.

Find another way to stroke your epeen.

No, everyone dropping will not create a problem. The match making is based on trophies. The pool of players at the bottom is already much larger than the pool at the top. If everyone drops the pool will just grow. That means you'll encounter some level 9 town halls, sure. However there are a lot more players that do not have level 9 town halls.

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Thats Funny... Being that this is suposed to be a tactics game, you dont believe that some are better at tactics than others ?
So its just a matter of how long you have played the game really... Well, that should solve match making eaisly then, just set it by join date.. Lol

I'm a th8 player with 2150 trophys and at lv62.. Most won by my great deffence as i win around 80% of the attacks made against my village... Only ones i really loose for sure is when a lv.80+ attacks with 6 lv3 pekkas and 3-4 rage spells..
Ive earned rest of my trophies fighting other villages close to me.. With lv.7-8-9 town halls.. Some easier than others, some hard enough for mé to loose.. But none of them by dropping down to levels way bellow my own.
ohh.. And i dont hide behind shields eighter, except when i sleep.. Lol.. If i do het shield beyond that, i remove it to earn mé some nice deffence trophys ;-)

So yeah.. I deffenitly Think my Way of gaming is more fair than the guy with lv.80+ dropping Down to loot me is.. He's the one going for the easy fights, not mé.

And yes, fair game to me, would be that i got matched with players equal to myself.. Around same level and same town hall.. That would require skill to beat and win trophys.. And for me the most chalenging way to play..Not dropping down to attack some poor lv30 player.

As you say, the match making is based on trophys.. But really, you dont see a flaw, When people have to loose trophys now on purpose, just to avoid getting matched with players 20-30 levels higher than Them ?
- again, i'm not looking for easy targets, just matches with players around my own level.. Shouldnt have to drop trophys for that.

when i said "life isn't fair ... deal with it" i was speaking more to those who plain when they lose or think the game isn't fair not directly to you. It seems that we both share similar opinions. I just like to see everyones point of view and try to understand them...but I'm never going to understand those who think lvl should be included for that is completely meaningless

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The cups are deserved, they just aren't entitled to have Supercell put controls in place so that they can keep them. It wasn't wrong for them to do that. It was wrong for them to do that while at the same time claiming the game wasn't fair because high levels could raid them. They want Supercell to permit them to slowly inch up there with complete impunity while completely ignoring the fact that they were engaging in similar farming techniques of their own, except for trophies instead of resources. You can't help but laugh at the irony of their current situation, no?

As for life not being fair, I'd say the same to you.

Deal with it.

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No strategy is wrong. But if you clearly think about it. It all boils down to one fact. The fact that you need to get stronger before you shoot bigger goals. And that fact is hurting a certain numbers of players crying out on facebook and on this forum. I mean come on. Do these guys actually think they can just be at a trophy range they didn't earn to be for? Is it "unfair" if a level 30, 40, 50, 60 can't shoot for 3000 trophy? If you think about it, it's kinda funny with all these "empty" rants.

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Yes, I get it but...... people are attacking me with one barbarian in order to lose and drop trophies on purpose. I earn many trophies overnight by defending successfully over those meaningless attacks. As a result my trophy count increases significantly which does NOT reflect my real grade. So I have to do the same to other people to decrease my trophy count so that I can find decent matches. It's a cat and mouse game which really annoys me. Is this a part of the game that I have to accept?

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Yes it is. It now makes more sense to keep trophy count low if you want to expand without buying gems.

"Farming" = attacking clans with high resources and easy to defeat. And this is a bad strategy? There isn't a clan out here that attacks the hardest clans or clans with low resources on a regular basis.

Being able to view a variety of level clans during attacks makes more sense and is more enjoyable.

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when i said "life isn't fair ... deal with it" i was speaking more to those who plain when they lose or think the game isn't fair not directly to you. It seems that we both share similar opinions. I just like everyones point of view and try to understand them...but I'm never going to understand those who think lvl should be included for that is completely meaningless

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Maybe make the match making a two parter. First match them by trophies then by Town Hall lvl or the other way around.

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Thats Funny... Being that this is suposed to be a tactics game, you dont believe that some are better at tactics than others ?
So its just a matter of how long you have played the game really... Well, that should solve match making eaisly then, just set it by join date.. Lol

I'm a th8 player with 2150 trophys and at lv62.. Most won by my great deffence as i win around 80% of the attacks made against my village... Only ones i really loose for sure is when a lv.80+ attacks with 6 lv3 pekkas and 3-4 rage spells..
Ive earned rest of my trophies fighting other villages close to me.. With lv.7-8-9 town halls.. Some easier than others, some hard enough for mé to loose.. But none of them by dropping down to levels way bellow my own.
ohh.. And i dont hide behind shields eighter, except when i sleep.. Lol.. If i do het shield beyond that, i remove it to earn mé some nice deffence trophys ;-)

So yeah.. I deffenitly Think my Way of gaming is more fair than the guy with lv.80+ dropping Down to loot me is.. He's the one going for the easy fights, not mé.

And yes, fair game to me, would be that i got matched with players equal to myself.. Around same level and same town hall.. That would require skill to beat and win trophys.. And for me the most chalenging way to play..Not dropping down to attack some poor lv30 player.

As you say, the match making is based on trophys.. But really, you dont see a flaw, When people have to loose trophys now on purpose, just to avoid getting matched with players 20-30 levels higher than Them ?
- again, i'm not looking for easy targets, just matches with players around my own level.. Shouldnt have to drop trophys for that.

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Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Jeezz

Thats Funny... Being that this is suposed to be a tactics game, you dont believe that some are better at tactics than others ?
So its just a matter of how long you have played the game really... Well, that should solve match making eaisly then, just set it by join date.. Lol

I'm a th8 player with 2150 trophys and at lv62.. Most won by my great deffence as i win around 80% of the attacks made against my village... Only ones i really loose for sure is when a lv.80+ attacks with 6 lv3 pekkas and 3-4 rage spells..
Ive earned rest of my trophies fighting other villages close to me.. With lv.7-8-9 town halls.. Some easier than others, some hard enough for mé to loose.. But none of them by dropping down to levels way bellow my own.
ohh.. And i dont hide behind shields eighter, except when i sleep.. Lol.. If i do het shield beyond that, i remove it to earn mé some nice deffence trophys ;-)

So yeah.. I deffenitly Think my Way of gaming is more fair than the guy with lv.80+ dropping Down to loot me is.. He's the one going for the easy fights, not mé.

And yes, fair game to me, would be that i got matched with players equal to myself.. Around same level and same town hall.. That would require skill to beat and win trophys.. And for me the most chalenging way to play..Not dropping down to attack some poor lv30 player.

As you say, the match making is based on trophys.. But really, you dont see a flaw, When people have to loose trophys now on purpose, just to avoid getting matched with players 20-30 levels higher than Them ?
- again, i'm not looking for easy targets, just matches with players around my own level.. Shouldnt have to drop trophys for that.

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It's a tactics game in the loosest sense of the word. Like risk is a "war" game. Really it's an upgrade your ♥♥♥♥ game until your ♥♥♥♥ is stronger than someone elses.

You are both going for the easy fights. That's the irony of this situation. It's not like you attack people you know you can't beat.

In the first post of this thread I presented 3 arguments as to why level based match making won't work. Come back here with actual reasoned counter points to the arguments presented there.

As for people dropping trophies to avoid matching high level people, one might argue they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They got there by attacking people of much lower rank for 1-2 trophies at a time. Now they have to work for it using um "superior tactics and skill"

It definitely doesn't make sense to say someone is playing wrong, or their tactics are wrong. Some of the beauty in the game to me was that there was no one way to play it. Different people have different goals.
it feels very black and white though, when so many people are saying it was wrong for others to attack weaker opponents for trophies, but they do it for resources! And vice versa!
Both versions can feel unfair. But the hardest part that leaves someone from each side of the argument upset is that the game has flipped to favor one way of playing them game, Then the other way. Leaves us confused. Makes us constantly change out goals/strategy.
But at no point do I feel it necessary to bully other players by saying rude things because they played differently from you. If the game switches, the opposite side will be left complaining, will that make their/your strategy suddenly wrong? No.

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It's a tactics game in the loosest sense of the word. Like risk is a "war" game. Really it's an upgrade your ♥♥♥♥ game until your ♥♥♥♥ is stronger than someone elses.

You are both going for the easy fights. That's the irony of this situation. It's not like you attack people you know you can't beat.

In the first post of this thread I presented 3 arguments as to why level based match making won't work. Come back here with actual reasoned counter points to the arguments presented there.

As for people dropping trophies to avoid matching high level people, one might argue they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They got there by attacking people of much lower rank for 1-2 trophies at a time. Now they have to work for it using um "superior tactics and skill"

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Get the other forums out of your head. We want fair fights, not easy fights. DWY

people can play the game any way they want and not every high lvl players are farmers. I for one am a high lvl who doesn't have a high trophy count but thats because i don't play everyday. just once in a while i decide to click on that app and attack a few people.

I wonder if those who cry for TH-based matching would settle for TH-leagues (ie. TH9 league, TH8 league, and so on). Who knows the teams that did well in regional 5th division football league? Right, if you want the prestige of ranking up, you need to do it in the top league.

… love the sweet fragrance of fresh whine chilled in first winter breeze :rolleyes:

i certainly didn't climb up by getting 1 or 2 trophies and i'm sure a hell of a lot of people playing don't either.
you can only upgrade so much before you have to go to mp battles to get more resources.
You cant help it if you happen to win a lotta trophies at first then end up in a too high for your camp level, Should we really be punished for playing what is the funniest part of coc, and which is half of what coc is about. Why should we be forced to lose battles to lower our trophies to a more "acceptable" level. I agree it shouldn't be completely about level but it should play a big part in it. My defenses are upgraded to the highest i can with my town hall level, But i'm now getting matches with far too high opponents meaning 80% of the time i'm dead before i even take a 1/4 of their resources to save up to upgrade,or they are taken by people with level 4 giants, n archers n dragons n healers and whatever else, so i go down a bit in trophies but then i get a few clans that are good for me, and i defeat them and go straight back up! i'm not going to make my self lose battles to stay at the acceptable level.What sort of game is that? And what happens if i did, then upgraded some more, then went into mp battles again i'd end up in the exact same boat! beat the first few maybe, then back to square 1 with the 55+ level up people! SC has left us with 3 options really

1.lose a few battles every now and again to stay at an acceptable level
2.Buy s*** loads of gems
3.Don't battle everyday or you'll have to refer to option number 1.

I think i will just stick to their game hay day :) much less stress

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i certainly didn't climb up by getting 1 or 2 trophies and i'm sure a hell of a lot of people playing don't either.
you can only upgrade so much before you have to go to mp battles to get more resources.
You cant help it if you happen to win a lotta trophies at first then end up in a too high for your camp level, Should we really be punished for playing what is the funniest part of coc, and which is half of what coc is about. Why should we be forced to lose battles to lower our trophies to a more "acceptable" level. I agree it shouldn't be completely about level but it should play a big part in it. My defenses are upgraded to the highest i can with my town hall level, But i'm now getting matches with far too high opponents meaning 80% of the time i'm dead before i even take a 1/4 of their resources to save up to upgrade,or they are taken by people with level 4 giants, n archers n dragons n healers and whatever else, so i go down a bit in trophies but then i get a few clans that are good for me, and i defeat them and go straight back up! i'm not going to make my self lose battles to stay at the acceptable level.What sort of game is that? And what happens if i did, then upgraded some more, then went into mp battles again i'd end up in the exact same boat! beat the first few maybe, then back to square 1 with the 55+ level up people! SC has left us with 3 options really

1.lose a few battles every now and again to stay at an acceptable level
2.Buy s*** loads of gems
3.Don't battle everyday or you'll have to refer to option number 1.

I think i will just stick to their game hay day :) much less stress

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Pople like this need to understand that losing trophies isn't a bad thing. Theres no stress. Take advantage of those opportunities where you're "too inflated" to lose battles whilst getting resources. The reason it's stressful is because you're at that artificially high trophy level. Learn to let go and it gets much more enjoyable.

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Pople like this need to understand that losing trophies isn't a bad thing. Theres no stress. Take advantage of those opportunities where you're "too inflated" to lose battles whilst getting resources. The reason it's stressful is because you're at that artificially high trophy level. Learn to let go and it gets much more enjoyable.

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I didn't say that losing trophies is a bad thing. i said i worked hard for my trophies and don't want to just lose battles to get to a more acceptable level. It doesn't make sense how that works. why should i have to lose all the effort i put in to training my troops and planning my attack. I do enjoy the game, alot. its just now i struggle to upgrade because i struggle to get resources. or if i do im not benefiting by much. unless i get my trophy level down. its a stupid cycle. put a lot of effort in, win battles, have to lose battles so i can get resources, then back to put a lot of effort in..

I don't think it's really a matter of what's fair, but what is fun. I don't like lowering my trophy level to stomp on weaklings, but it is also no fun to race up to the top by defeating people lower than you and attacking constantly, and then come back the next day having lost 200 trophies over night. I just like sticking to a trophy range that suits me and matches me up with people who are more or less equal with me. Then I can progress steadily by upgrading my base and keeping a balance between attack and defence. It's not actually that complicated...

oh well, each unto their own and all that. But I'm pretty sure none of these whinging peeps are gonna stick with the game for that long anyway.

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I don't think it's really a matter of what's fair, but what is fun. I don't like lowering my trophy level to stomp on weaklings, but it is also no fun to race up to the top by defeating people lower than you and attacking constantly, and then come back the next day having lost 200 trophies over night. I just like sticking to a trophy range that suits me and matches me up with people who are more or less equal with me. Then I can progress steadily by upgrading my base and keeping a balance between attack and defence. It's not actually that complicated...

oh well, each unto their own and all that. But I'm pretty sure none of these whinging peeps are gonna stick with the game for that long anyway.

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Well i think attacking clans and building your way up the trophies in your clan castle, as well as upgrading you clan was great fun. if you had nothing to do in your village go attack, waiting on your troops training, maybe redesign your clan or that. i think some people need to read what i actually wrote, that's twice people have just put down stuff i never said haha! i didn't say i wanted people lower than me so i could defeat them, i said i think the levels should be considered so a lvl 37 wasnt getting lvl 62 etc. you may not find attacking clans fun, but its half the fun in coc, if their was no mp battle they'd probably be no clan castle, no meeting new people to chat to, and it would just be like any other regular build and wait game. Its the mp battles that make the game a better one than most. But each to their own and all that.

Quitting and leaving pumps undefended is a terrible idea. The only way to impact supercell is to make as many people quit as possible. Leaving undefended resource for people to loot is doing exactly the opposite. Why do you think supercell took away the sell option anyway?

Low level, un-upgraded people chasing trophies and complaining are akin to:

C-Division football club with a sub-par team wanting to play in and win A-Division, then complaining about why the heck do they have to play matches with quality teams from A-Division.

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Here is a small outline of the last month for me and my clan... And bear in mind we are super Active...3 weeks we farm, week 4 we push for trophies...


Week 1-3 - FARM YOUR NUTS OFF - UPGRADE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

Week 4 - Go for Trophies

So.... Week 4 - Im Lvl 76 - and i got to 2000 Trophies from 1000- within a day, most of my higher level clan mates also hit 2000 within a day or so..

The remaining 5 days were spent either one of two ways:

1) Using Low Cost Troops looking for Lv8 bases with enough stuff outside to get 50% - This allows lots of battles but the wins (3/5 Trophies can be devatsted by 1 loss of 28 Tr)

Or,

2) Building high cost Troops - Pekka and Dragons and Spells to attack at most 3 times a day...


Within the remaining 5 days the fact was that only 2 of us broke 2100 and stayed there..

I used option 1 (lots of elixbut was suffering heavy losses)
the other used option 2 - he ran out of elix (started with 4 million btw) and had to get his sheild up to see out the last day.

Yet our top 15 players were yo-yo'ing between 1900-2050

IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO GEM - YOU WILL CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE / OR YOU WILL BATTLE LESS AND LESS - FACT!!!

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Originally Posted by zxzxj

Quitting and leaving pumps undefended is a terrible idea. The only way to impact supercell is to make as many people quit as possible. Leaving undefended resource for people to loot is doing exactly the opposite. Why do you think supercell took away the sell option anyway?

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They removed the sell option so people LEAVING could not remove their mines and Pumps!!!

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Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear

They removed the sell option so people LEAVING could not remove their mines and Pumps!!!

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My point exactly.

Selling pumps is the ultimate defense against looting. If everyone does this, then there is no more incentive for others to continue playing the game, hence the game is dead, hence no more cows to milk for supercell, hence we got their attention.

You know, when the update that caused many players to quit just came out, some dude posted a tread threatening that him and his clan will quit if the looting percentage were not changed back and Rauta replied that supercell don't yield to treats. You know why he was so confident? Because he knew it was an empty treat. Even more, he probably welcomes it. So what if some already maxed out players quit, they have been milked dry anyway. When they quit, there will be more people to fill their spots as long as the game can provide enough baits the get people hooked. All those unprotected pumps are just the baits that they need. Just enough for a mouthful, but not enough to fill you stomach, so you just have to keep on buying more gems.

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Originally Posted by zxzxj

Quitting and leaving pumps undefended is a terrible idea. The only way to impact supercell is to make as many people quit as possible. Leaving undefended resource for people to loot is doing exactly the opposite. Why do you think supercell took away the sell option anyway?

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The moment I quit is the moment I cease to care about anything related to this game. I certainly won't be concerned about sticking it to Supercell. Why not make it better for the players that are still left? What's it to you?

Sorry Dahimi but I tend to disagree with your opinion, trophys are the way people are graded (SC even rewards people who are on top).

The way you advise to play is to keep your T as low as possible and max out your base (by farming other low T players) and once that is done, the game finally starts.

Right now i'm lvl 42 and all the attacks I get are from lvl 60~70 people. Who apperently keep their T low. It is not possible to defend to them sinds everything they have is based on their higher lvl.

Conclusion: It's easy to manipulate the system and make sure your T is low, this way no one will attack you because your defence is to high. Also you can accept each challenge because you have way less T then is appropriate for your lvl. It should be encouraged to get as high in the rankings as possible, while right now you are encouraged to be as low as possible.

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Originally Posted by r4y383

Sorry Dahimi but I tend to disagree with your opinion, trophys are the way people are graded (SC even rewards people who are on top).

The way you advise to play is to keep your T as low as possible and max out your base (by farming other low T players) and once that is done, the game finally starts.

Right now i'm lvl 42 and all the attacks I get are from lvl 60~70 people. Who apperently keep their T low. It is not possible to defend to them sinds everything they have is based on their higher lvl.

Conclusion: It's easy to manipulate the system and make sure your T is low, this way no one will attack you because your defence is to high. Also you can accept each challenge because you have way less T then is appropriate for your lvl. It should be encouraged to get as high in the rankings as possible, while right now you are encouraged to be as low as possible.

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So what if you can't defend against them? As you said, trophies are how people are graded. That doesn't mean there should be a connection between them and level. You're graded on how many you can acquire. Level is meaningless.

Also the game for you may be about trophies. For many others it's about leveling their base. Going for trophies is pointless as you'll never reach the top without paying a lot of money.

If farming is always allowed to happen you wont ever have every member being matched up with someone with an equal base....right now its not happening....I don't get any lower opponents at all, all our way upppp there because they have dropped their trophies down for an easier fight!!


As I have read in another post, the only option I see is getting everyone to want to keep their trophies....rewards, incentives ....something worthwhile to keep people thriving for trophies...til then, this is how it will be so just work with it & deal with it!

The point is that I shouldn't have to fight them right now. Their lvl (read: everything in their base) is way to high for this T count. If I am good enough to have more T than others of the same lvl I deserve to be a bit higher in the rankings.

It is not about reaching the absolute top. But reaching the best place possible for me. To compete against people I know. Right now it's better to keep your T as low as possible until your base is fully upgraded.

I'm not complaining, I REALLY love the game. This is just a comment on Dahimi's opinion. Just a way as I see things.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

If you're complaining about the match making because you are now being matched with high level opponents, this means you have too many trophies for your level. People have been saying this in response to complaints about being attacked by higher levels since the game began. Now that the match making actually matches you closer to your trophy level, you can no longer "next match" your way to weak bases to increase your trophies.

One would think that instead of complaining, the match making changes would be a wake up call for you. Proof, if you will, about what others have been saying.

YOU HAVE TOO MANY TROPHIES TO SUSTAIN FOR YOUR CURRENT NUMBER OF UPGRADES.

All of those high level bases represent the upgrades you need to stay where you are and to progress any further. It's not unfair. Put in the time/money to grow your base. What's unfair is to expect to be able to have as many trophies as them without putting in the time and effort they did.

The solution for you is to drop your trophies to an appropriate level so you can grow your base. No longer will you farm trophies from the weak to artificially inflate your trophy level above what it should be. You want trophies, you have to play with the big boys now.

Match making based on level or th level should not and will not happen. Level in this game is meaningless and th level matching will cause people to not want to upgrade (similar to the loot situation, but far more severe). This would be very very bad. Likewise artificial controls are not going to be put in place to allow you to match each other unimpeded to the top. This would invalidate the entire point of upgrading your base.

It's becoming almost a matter of faith for you. Despite all of the posts and reasoning about why it won't work and despite the fact that they tested this in beta and it didn't work, you say if you believe hard enough this faulty method of match making would be successful. It wouldn't.

If you can't handle this, and decide to quit, make sure you leave your resource collectors and storages undefended. The more easy to obtain resources there are, the less people will spend on gems. Having people buy less gems is the only way to impact Supercell.

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I respectively disagree with you. This new "fair system" has me wasting my time , troops, money and trophies in most cases. Instead of playing with people on my level (I am not looking to pillage those weaker than me), I am stuck spending 2k-5k to find anything even remotely suitable. How can I advance? Just sit there and wait days and weeks for things to upgrade so my base reflects my trophies? No thank you, how dull and mundane to sit and farm after I've done this for weeks upon weeks. I've earned every trophy I've received, it should be even more balanced. It should be five levels ahead and five levels below. I shouldn't be punished because I have advanced faster and more strategically than others.

To top this off, virtually everyone who raids my base while I am away. Is leagues ahead of me, so that debunks your theory. If I am level 31 and get raided by someone who's level 53, then how can one logically say this is fair? Trophies do not equate power, and is the wrong statistic to base the matchmaking on.

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Originally Posted by Woz911

If farming is always allowed to happen you wont ever have every member being matched up with someone with an equal base....right now its not happening....I don't get any lower opponents at all, all our way upppp there because they have dropped their trophies down for an easier fight!!


As I have read in another post, the only option I see is getting everyone to want to keep their trophies....rewards, incentives ....something worthwhile to keep people thriving for trophies...til then, this is how it will be so just work with it & deal with it!

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The post you read that in is mine.

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Originally Posted by WWM

I respectively disagree with you. This new "fair system" has me wasting my time , troops, money and trophies in most cases. Instead of playing with people on my level (I am not looking to pillage those weaker than me), I am stuck spending 2k-5k to find anything even remotely suitable. How can I advance? Just sit there and wait days and weeks for things to upgrade so my base reflects my trophies? No thank you, how dull and mundane to sit and farm after I've done this for weeks upon weeks. I've earned every trophy I've received, it should be even more balanced. It should be five levels ahead and five levels below. I shouldn't be punished because I have advanced faster and more strategically than others.

To top this off, virtually everyone who raids my base while I am away. Is leagues ahead of me, so that debunks your theory. If I am level 31 and get raided by someone who's level 53, then how can one logically say this is far? Trophies do not equate power, and is the wrong statistic to base the matchmaking on.

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The new system is more fair. Before it was matching you with people many hundreds of trophies lower. This is absolutely no different then match making sponsored farming, but for trophies.

Trophies are the only thing that can equate power. They are the only statistic capable of taking into account the sum total of a player's upgrades and their individual capability.

The solution is not to change the match making mechanism (it actually works pretty well now), it's to make trophies more desirable. Supercell needs to create incentives (not punishments) that cause people who currently farm to want to stop doing that and instead focus on gaining trophies.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The new system is more fair. Before it was matching you with people many hundreds of trophies lower. This is absolutely no different then match making sponsored farming, but for trophies.

Trophies are the only thing that can equate power. They are the only statistic capable of taking into account the sum total of a player's upgrades and their individual capability.

The solution is not to change the match making mechanism (it actually works pretty well now), it's to make trophies more desirable. Supercell needs to create incentives (not punishments) that cause people who currently farm to want to stop doing that and instead focus on gaining trophies.

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I still disagree.......

the matchmaking system is in no way fair. If it was fair I wouldn't have 90% of my "fair" matches be 15-30 levels higher than me. If the trophy system is continued to be used as a gauge for matchmaking, then it will continue to be abused. All anyone higher has to do is dump some trophies quick and viola, they can pillage those much weaker than them.

If it was based on a sliding scale of levels, it would create an incentive to upgrade your base and do battle to earn more trophies. No other choice is logical in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by WWM

I still disagree.......

the matchmaking system is in no way fair. If it was fair I wouldn't have 90% of my "fair" matches be 15-30 levels higher than me. If the trophy system is continued to be used as a gauge for matchmaking, then it will continue to be abused. All anyone higher has to do is dump some trophies quick and viola, they can pillage those much weaker than them.

If it was based on a sliding scale of levels, it would create an incentive to upgrade your base and do battle to earn more trophies. No other choice is logical in the slightest.

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It's fair in the sense that it is matching you closely with other people that have a similar number of trophies as you.

It would be fair in a broader sense if everyone was working toward gaining more trophies. In that case, people would settle into trophy counts that reflected their upgrades and capability. People would not dump trophies quick to pillage weaker targets if it wasn't more profitable to do so. I propose that Supercell make gaining trophies more profitable than dropping them and attacking weaker targets.

Level is not a logical way to do it at all. Here's my post on why that is:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ll=1#post43548

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Originally Posted by dahimi

It's fair in the sense that it is matching you closely with other people that have a similar number of trophies as you.

It would be fair in a broader sense if everyone was working toward gaining more trophies. In that case, people would settle into trophy counts that reflected their upgrades and capability. People would not dump trophies quick to pillage weaker targets if it wasn't more profitable to do so. I propose that Supercell make gaining trophies more profitable than dropping them and attacking weaker targets.

Level is not a logical way to do it at all. Here's my post on why that is:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ll=1#post43548

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I think we can all agree that matchmaking has inherent flaws, but for time being it is what it is... So fairness isn't really a good argument. Until they incentivize higher levels retaining trophies, no point in not dropping.

Actualy i think there are 2 possible good solutions.

1. Keep this matchmaking system but make trophys more desirable. Because right now trophy's dont mean .....

2. SC could use a (behind the scenes) calculation counting upgrades, maybe only counting defencive stuctures x upgrades + TH x upgrades (or something like that)


This is just a thought of course but this way there is no fraude possible.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The moment I quit is the moment I cease to care about anything related to this game. I certainly won't be concerned about sticking it to Supercell. Why not make it better for the players that are still left? What's it to you?

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I though you were trying to "impact" supercell. But if you actually don't care, then that's a whole other matter altogether. Then again, if you really don't care, why do you take care to rearrange placements of the pumps and not just sign off, uninstall game and never look back?

On making it better for players that are still left, well I think successfully "sticking it" to supercell is the only way to force them to think more balance between profiting and the players when they're putting together the next update. Which in turn is more beneficial to the players that are still out there then just giving them some pumps. How long do you think before supercell regconize that's in their way of squeezing more money and do something about it?

As for what's it to me, nothing actually, I never pay a penny for any game that I dont really own such that everything is inside somebody's server and not on my desk. I just don't like the hypocrisy of supercell.

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Originally Posted by r4y383

Actualy i think there are 2 possible good solutions.

1. Keep this matchmaking system but make trophys more desirable. Because right now trophy's dont mean .....

2. SC could use a (behind the scenes) calculation counting upgrades, maybe only counting defencive stuctures x upgrades + TH x upgrades (or something like that)


This is just a thought of course but this way there is no fraude possible.

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Option 2 penalizes you for upgrading. Also it doesn't account for simply being bad at the game.

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Originally Posted by zxzxj

I though you were trying to "impact" supercell. But if you actually don't care, then that's a whole other matter altogether. Then again, if you really don't care, why do you take care to rearrange placements of the pumps and not just sign off, uninstall game and never look back?

On making it better for players that are still left, well I think successfully "sticking it" to supercell is the only way to force them to think more balance between profiting and the players when they're putting together the next update. Which in turn is more beneficial to the players that are still out there then just giving them some pumps. How long do you think before supercell regconize that's in their way of squeezing more money and do something about it?

As for what's it to me, nothing actually, I never pay a penny for any game that I dont really own such that everything is inside somebody's server and not on my desk. I just don't like the hypocrisy of supercell.

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Naw. I don't care about Supercell at all. If they make it so the game isn't fun to play, I'll just quit. It's not a big deal. This game is one of thousands in the app store.

I'd re-arrange my pumps because it would only take a moment to do and if everyone who quit did it, it would be of immense help to the remaining players. It's something that I can do for minimal time and effort that helps others, so why not?

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Option 2 penalizes you for upgrading. Also it doesn't account for simply being bad at the game.

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If you dont upgrade there is no need for gold/elixer. So you can just as well stop playing if you dont want to upgrade. But this way you're sure all the bases you attack or get attacked by are the same (actual) strength.

And if you just suck at the game (you have no good strategic thoughts) you still get attacked by people who have the same upgrades as you have.

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Originally Posted by r4y383

If you dont upgrade there is no need for gold/elixer. So you can just as well stop playing if you dont want to upgrade. But this way you're sure all the bases you attack or get attacked by are the same (actual) strength.

And if you just suck at the game (you have no good strategic thoughts) you still get attacked by people who have the same upgrades as you have.

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That's not true. You could use option 2 to your advantage by reaching a certain point, and simply attacking for trophies without doing upgrades. This is basically what low level trophy chasers do now. They increase their trophies at the expense of resources and upgrades.

If you are terrible at the game you may not be able to succeed by only attacking people with the same upgrades as you. Likewise, if you're really good, you'll be stuck attacking people similar to you instead of being able to attack people with more upgrades (for more trophies and profit) than you.

Option 2 also doesn't address the issue of resources. The whole reason people drop their trophies is to gain resources. Remove this mechanism without adding another and everyone with more upgrades will be resource starved.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

It's fair in the sense that it is matching you closely with other people that have a similar number of trophies as you.

It would be fair in a broader sense if everyone was working toward gaining more trophies. In that case, people would settle into trophy counts that reflected their upgrades and capability. People would not dump trophies quick to pillage weaker targets if it wasn't more profitable to do so. I propose that Supercell make gaining trophies more profitable than dropping them and attacking weaker targets.

Level is not a logical way to do it at all. Here's my post on why that is:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ll=1#post43548

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You're missing the point. Is it fair in that it matches your trophies, well of course. No one is arguing that. Is it overall fair, or even remotely challenging or fun anymore. No.........

if it were based on a siding scale of levels, which lets say is 5 levels ahead or 5 behind. That would make sure no one is pillaging way below their actual ability. It would give incentive for one to upgrade and farm. This would still entice those as well to purchase gems. To upgrade faster...... Currently it's based on trophies which doesn't equal power at all. Beyond that people would have incentive to gain trophies. Rise to the top the of the boards and have the best clan.

Your post also indicates you do not know how the game is played. Why would anyone sit there and create troops just to level up? This would be such a waste of time, and if someone did do this. They deserve to be pillaged and lose all their resources. That's not how the game is suppose to be played. Then you go on to say the same bases can vary by user control, and thats not fair. Pardon me, but I am pretty sure hat's how competitve games are suppose to be played. If I am level 31 and I battle someone who's level 31, because I am better than them tactically, that's not fair. Give me a break. People won't want to do upgrades because their matchmaking will be harder, that's not fair? Yet that's how it should be. The more powerful you become the better your opponents should be.

none of your reasoning makes any sense.... You basically want the game to be a clash of clans boring version of FarmVille. This game has so much more potential than that.....

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You're missing the point. Is it fair in that it matches your trophies, well of course. No one is arguing that. Is it overall fair, or even remotely challenging or fun anymore. No.........

if it were based on a siding scale of levels, which lets say is 5 levels ahead or 5 behind. That would make sure no one is pillaging way below their actual ability. It would give incentive for one to upgrade and farm. This would still entice those as well to purchase gems. To upgrade faster...... Currently it's based on trophies which doesn't equal power at all. Beyond that people would have incentive to gain trophies. Rise to the top the of the boards and have the best clan.

Your post also indicates you do not know how the game is played. Why would anyone sit there and create troops just to level up? This would be such a waste of time, and if someone did do this. They deserve to be pillaged and lose all their resources. That's not how the game is suppose to be played. Then you go on to say the same bases can vary by user control, and thats not fair. Pardon me, but I am pretty sure hat's how competitve games are suppose to be played. If I am level 31 and I battle someone who's level 31, because I am better than them tactically, that's not fair. Give me a break. People won't want to do upgrades because their matchmaking will be harder, that's not fair? Yet that's how it should be. The more powerful you become the better your opponents should be.

none of your reasoning makes any sense.... You basically want the game to be a clash of clans boring version of FarmVille. This game has so much more potential than that.....

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Most people don't create troops "just to level up", they do it because the gem reward is very substantial and donating troops is a good a thing to do. Some people, however, do level up for the heck of it. It isn't many, but it is some.

Regardless you are not the end all be all judge on how the game should be played. Dismissing corner cases, problems, and pitfalls simply because "the game shouldn't be played like that" is a terrible idea from a design stand point. Just because you play the game a certain way doesn't mean everyone should.

Also it appears that you have decided to attack me by telling me I don't know how to play instead of attacking my arguments. I gave lots of reasons why level based match making is bad. Reasons you have not bothered to attempt to counter. If this is how you are going to attempt to frame the discussion, I see no reason to discuss this issue with you further.

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That's not true. You could use option 2 to your advantage by reaching a certain point, and simply attacking for trophies without doing upgrades. This is basically what low level trophy chasers do now. They increase their trophies at the expense of resources and upgrades.

If you are terrible at the game you may not be able to succeed by only attacking people with the same upgrades as you. Likewise, if you're really good, you'll be stuck attacking people similar to you instead of being able to attack people with more upgrades (for more trophies and profit) than you.

Option 2 also doesn't address the issue of resources. The whole reason people drop their trophies is to gain resources. Remove this mechanism without adding another and everyone with more upgrades will be resource starved.

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The first thing you mention isnt correct you cant stay at a certain point because your apponents are equal in strength. This way it is still an equal fight.

On the second comment you say tha people are farming without upgrading. If so, what are they farming for. You can't store that much because then you would need a bigger storage and for that you need a bigger townhall which gives you better apponents. And SC already covered this by giving you less gold/ elixir (-75%) when you TH is 2 lvl's higher than your apponents. So I guess "camping" on the same lvl doesn't benefit you

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The first thing you mention isnt correct you cant stay at a certain point because your apponents are equal in strength. This way it is still an equal fight.

On the second comment you say tha people are farming without upgrading. If so, what are they farming for. You can't store that much because then you would need a bigger storage and for that you need a bigger townhall which gives you better apponents. And SC already covered this by giving you less gold/ elixir (-75%) when you TH is 2 lvl's higher than your apponents. So I guess "camping" on the same lvl doesn't benefit you

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So you're saying if you don't upgrade, the match making system will simply not match you with opponents? That sounds sucky. For the most part as long as it is matching you, you can win trophies.

When did I say people are farming without upgrading? I never said that. The whole point of farming is to get resources for upgrading.

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The way you advise to play is to keep your T as low as possible and max out your base (by farming other low T players) and once that is done, the game finally starts.

Right now i'm lvl 42 and all the attacks I get are from lvl 60~70 people. Who apperently keep their T low. It is not possible to defend to them sinds everything they have is based on their higher lvl.

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Why do you need to defend against them? Keep your gold low and there's nothing to defend. Nobody will attack you. If they do, there will be nothing of value to steal.

@dahimi I don't understand your text. Maybe I don't read it correct but you litteraly say that these are the things farmers do and I never said the matchmaking would stop if you don't upgrade. It just doesn't benefit you because other apponents are always equal in strength. Now they can manipulate by just losing trophys to get weaker apponents.

@mediapluck at higher lvl's you really need to safe for updates so most of the times you have a lot of gold and elixer

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@dahimi I don't understand your text. Maybe I don't read it correct but you litteraly say that these are the things farmers do and I never said the matchmaking would stop if you don't upgrade. It just doesn't benefit you because other apponents are always equal in strength.

@mediapluck at higher lvl's you really need to safe for updates so most of the times you have a lot of gold and elixer

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Can you quote the text where I literally say, "people are farming without upgrading"?

How does it not benefit you? As long as you're matching, you'll be gaining trophies. That's how it benefits you. You get to gain trophies using fewer and quicker to build troops against easier bases. Meanwhile higher level bases cannot attack you. The logical extension of this is you'll have people at high trophy ranges that are invulnerable to high level bases which share those ranges. You're advocating this because you're only considering the low end of the range. You have to consider the high end of the range too.

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Most people don't create troops "just to level up", they do it because the gem reward is very substantial and donating troops is a good a thing to do. Some people, however, do level up for the heck of it. It isn't many, but it is some.

Regardless you are not the end all be all judge on how the game should be played. Dismissing corner cases, problems, and pitfalls simply because "the game shouldn't be played like that" is a terrible idea from a design stand point. Just because you play the game a certain way doesn't mean everyone should.

Also it appears that you have decided to attack me by telling me I don't know how to play instead of attacking my arguments. I gave lots of reasons why level based match making is bad. Reasons you have not bothered to attempt to counter. If this is how you are going to attempt to frame the discussion, I see no reason to discuss this issue with you further.

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Actually I pointed out two examples in your flawed logic. No one is going to sit there and level (they don't get gems for donating troops, I don't know why you keep saying this) and to upgrade their base. That's idiotic and defeats the whole purpose of the game.

1. Level means nothing in this game. You get experience points for all sorts of things that aren't directly related to upgrades. You get experience for donating troops. You get experience for clearing obstacles. You get experience for completing achievements. You get experience for destroying someone's town hall.

Levels actually mean a whole hell of a lot to the game. Just as trophies do. It tells how much effort you've Put in the game and how far along you have come. I don't see how this is an argument against using levels for matchmaking. If anything this is exactly why it should be used for exactly that. Those who spend the time on the game should have a fair shot when battling.

Let's examine troop donation. You get 1 exp point for each troop space you donate. To get the max achievement for donating troops you have to donate over 30,000 troops. The formula for how much exp is needed to go up one level is 50*your level. So it's about 1000 exp to go for from level 20 to 21. That means if your clan agrees to go for this achievement by rapidly donating troops as fast as possible, one can quickly raise their level. 30,000 exp at level 20 is worth 15-20 levels.


Ummm so, if people are dumb enough to gain levels by simply donating troops. Then they deserve to be pillaged. The game is obviously designed for one to work on all fronts. Farming, upgrading, and battling...... This is a moot and invalid point.


2. People of the same levels have vastly different strengths. Let's say you want to concentrate on your defenses and not your troops. You could easily, through upgrades, level yourself into a range where your troops will not be able to do anything.

yeah, again so what. One person shouldn't be punished for being better than another on the same level. Same goes for one being rewarded for being inferior. That logic rewards those who suck and don't play the game.

3. Two people with identical bases can vary wildly in ability. One person can be great at playing and able to tackle much stronger bases then the other guy who may only be able to destroy weaker bases because they simply suck at troop deployment.

Yeah same as above. That logic is asinine, and rewards the wrong people.....


4. There are a ton of weird cases. There are people with level 9 town halls that are in the 20s. There is sneakydave who may be level 200 by now.

There are also cheats and hacks for the game....... I don't see the point in this one either.

5. People who advance their bases with gems will be lower level than people who have the same upgrades but didn't. That's because people that didn't use gems will have likely donated more troops, destroyed more town halls, cleared more obstacles, etc.

They're also paying for that privilege. It's not a whole lot of people doing this either. Yet I don't see the issue with allowing this. Again, they're paying for it, let them have the extra benefit. Especially if it encourages people to spend the money to help the game get better.


6. Basing match making on level will have the same exact as effect basing loot on town hall level did. It will cause people to not want to level, just like people now don't want to level their town hall. This will have two negative effects. First people will no longer donate troops. Second, they will not want to do upgrades because it will make their matches harder.

I don't see why people would stop donating troops. Especially if you want to stay Ina clan. You have to donate, this will in no way I courage people not to level up. And should the matches get easier as you upgrade? That makes no sense, I can't follow that logic. I've been playing video games for 30 years and this is not how video games work. As you progress so does your opponents. Otherwise, there is no point.....


7. If match making is based on level, low level people will be at a huge advantage with trophy chasing. They will be immune to the powerful bases that currently sit at the top. Would it not frustrate you if have worked months maxing your base only to see some low level guy at the top of the charts simply because no one who is high level can match with them? This will completely ruin any incentive to make your base better.


This is just not true. First of all, keep the matches within a cap. No ore than 5 higher and no more than 5 lower. Also the higher the level the better troops and defense they're going to have. So if some low level guy did have more trophies than some high level guy it'd be for two reasons. First, they were more proactive in getting them. Secondly, they are better at the game then the other and deserve the status that they get.

8. At higher levels gaining enough resources to pay for higher upgrades will become impossible. After a certain point it takes a full load of spells and dragons or pekkas to take people out. In short it costs more per battle then you can possibly win.

Thats where the cap comes in, it will make it easier to upgrade and play. If we are only battling those within our level range, we have a better opportunity at advancing. Not to mention, we can't get pillaged by those who dump trophies but are leagues ahead of you. This is ridiculous.....

Actually I pointed out two examples in your flawed logic. No one is going to sit there and level (they don't get gems for donating troops, I don't know why you keep saying this) and to upgrade their base. That's idiotic and defeats the whole purpose of the game.

I keep saying it because it's true.
http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/A...Friend_in_Need

Levels actually mean a whole hell of a lot to the game. Just as trophies do. It tells how much effort you've Putin the game and how far along you have come. I don't see how this is an argument against using levels for matchmaking. If anything this is exactly why it should be used for exactly that. Those who spend the time on the game should have a fair shot when battling.

They say nothing about how that effort was spent. You seem to think there is only one way to play the game and if you play it different you deserve to get screwed.

Ummm so, if people are dumb enough to gain levels by simply donating troops. Then they deserve to be pillaged. The game is obviously designed for one to work on all fronts. Farming, upgrading, and battling...... This is a Mott and invalid point.

You say one group deserves to be pillaged for playing one way and maintain that people that play your way don't. Yeah that's certainly, "fair".

yeah, again so what. One person shouldn't be punished for being better than another on the same level. Same goes for one being rewarded for being inferior. That logic rewards those who suck and don't treat the game.

How is that punishment? Again, different people play differently and have different strengths. You should never end up in a situation where the upgrades you select cause you to dig a hole you cannot get out of.

Yeah same as above. That logic is asinine, and rewards the wrong people.....

No because with an incentive system in place that makes trophy collecting valuable, people that gain more trophies will be properly rewarded for doing so.

There are also cheats and hacks for the game....... I don't see the point in this one either.

So apparently you don't see the difference between a cheat or a hack and legitimate game play that puts you in a position different from the rest of people.

They're also paying for that privilege. It's not a whole lot of people doing this either. Yet I don't see the issue with allowing this. Again, they're paying for it, let them have the extra benefit. Especially if it encourages people to spend the money to help the game get better.

Because this sets up a bunch of cases that are contrary to what you are attempting to achieve with level based matching. Note the case I described above which you compared to a cheat or hack.

I don't see why people would stop donating troops. Especially if you want to stay Ina clan. You have to donate, this will in no way I courage people not to level up. And should the matches get easier as you upgrade? That makes no sense, I can't follow that logic. I've been playing video games for 30 years and this is not how video games work. As you progress so does your opponents. Otherwise, there is no point.....

People will stop donating troops because donating troops gives you experience. Experience gives you levels and gaining levels under your system makes the game harder. Anything you do that isn't a base upgrade will make your game harder with absolutely no gain. Plenty of clans will simply abandon the concept of troop donation entirely.

As you upgrade, your capacity for gaining trophies should go up. Whether or not that makes the matches easier is up to you. Again you are stuck on saying things should work a certain way because you say so.

This is just not true. First of all, keep the matches within a cap. No ore than 5 higher and no more than 5 lower. Also the higher the level the better troops and defense they're going to have. So if some low level guy did have more trophies than some high level guy it'd be for two reasons. First, they were more proactive in getting them. Secondly, they are better at the game then the other and deserve the status that they get.

Simply not true. The troops required for attacking are much more expensive and time consuming to build at higher levels than lower ones. This means people with weaker bases can afford to build more troops in less time and attack more often. Without the threat of attacks from higher levels, they would rise through the ranks unchecked.

Thats where the cap comes in, it will make it easier to upgrade and play. If we are only battling those within our level range, we have a better opportunity at advancing. Not to mention, we can't get pillaged by those who dump trophies but are leagues ahead of you. This is ridiculous.....

No it won't. If you can only battle people of the same level you will simply not be able to earn enough resources to make up the cost of attacking. You seem to be ignoring the fact that at a certain point only PEKKAs, dragons, and rage spells will work. Getting pillaged costs you at most 180k. I'd much rather get pillaged for 180k every time my shield is up then only to be able to extract small amounts of resources at great cost a couple of times a day.

This is where you litteraly say that.

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That's not true. You could use option 2 to your advantage by reaching a certain point, and simply attacking for trophies without doing upgrades. This is basically what low level trophy chasers do now.

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And sinds your matching you can win and also lose battles/trophys. And of course matchmaking should be capped. If you can get ranked for instance between 1 and 100 then it should be possible to attack someone directly above and below you. This way you match up with someone of equal strength. And you cant be only upgradeing units because to do so you need to upgrade other buildings as well. And this way you'll be automatically in a higher ranking so stronger apponents.

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This is where you litteraly say that.




And sinds your matching you can win and also lose battles/trophys. And of course matchmaking should be capped. If you can get ranked for instance between 1 and 100 then it should be possible to attack someone directly above and below you. This way you match up with someone of equal strength. And you cant be only upgradeing units because to do so you need to upgrade other buildings as well. And this way you'll be automatically in a higher ranking so stronger apponents.

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I don't see the word "farming" in that quote at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't I have to actually use the word "farming" in order to literally say anything about farming?

A number of people believe that the objective of the game is to get the most trophies as possible. In a system that penalizes you for upgrading by making your game harder, it should be clear that for some there would be plenty of incentive to attack only for trophies without concern for performing upgrades.

I still don't see what stops people who are lower level, who can attack more times with fewer troops, from gaining more trophies than higher level people. There will be a complete disconnect between how upgraded your base is and your capacity for gaining trophies.

They say nothing about how that effort was spent. You seem to think there is only one way to play the game and if you play it different you deserve to get screwed.

No, I said playing the game means being active on all three fronts. Farming, upgrading and battling. If someone is sitting there doing nothing but farm and level up, then yes they deserve to be pillaged. There is a battle aspect in the game because its meant to be played. No matter how you word it, it's still meant to be played. So play it, and upgrade your ♥♥♥♥. If not, go play FarmVille.....

You say one group deserves to be pillaged for playing one way and maintain that people that play your way don't. Yeah that's certainly, "fair".

No, again; if,you're not playing the full game, then you're not playing the game. Upgrading your clan and battling others is part of the game. If not, there are plenty of other games to suit the virtual farmers. Especially considering this game is advertised to be more than just that......

How is that punishment? Again, different people play differently and have different strengths. You should never end up in a situation where the upgrades you select cause you to dig a hole you cannot get out of.

It's punishment because someone like me is working on all aspects of the game. I farm, upgrade and battle. I logged the hours, and now anyone with a much higher level, higher troops, and troop capacity can just come in and pillage me. All they have to do is keep their trophies low. When in reality they should be competing against each other for more trophies, and wait till I am in their league......

No because with an incentive system in place that makes trophy collecting valuable, people that gain more trophies will be properly rewarded for doing so.

There was an incentive for trophies, it was called the leader board. Now the only people who give a damn about the board are those that have been in it. Everyone else is now just dumping trophies to pillage those below them. I am not saying the first system wasn't flawed, but this one is just as flawed. If not worse, seeing as I can't get above 1100 in trophies now.

So apparently you don't see the difference between a cheat or a hack and legitimate game play that puts you in a position different from the rest of people.

Yes, that's precisely what I said.

or maybe I was saying it doesn't matter. People will cheat, changing the match making to the new system won't stop that. Go after the hackers and ban their devices. I don't care, but to make a worse system that does nothing to prevent this and is adding fuel to the fire. Asinine.....

Because this sets up a bunch of cases that are contrary to what you are attempting to achieve with level based matching. Note the case I described above which you compared to a cheat or hack.

No it doesn't, if you give incentive to upgrade your base while leveling up and gaining trophies. You have a cap on who you can attack and that way no one gets pillaged by those way too advanced for them. If someone wants to level up the easy way, then they pay the price. I don't want to hear "that's how you play the game and that's how I play the game". There aren't different ways to play the game, and all games have the same objective. To win and be the best. Anyone who isn't playing for that reason should try solitaire......

People will stop donating troops because donating troops gives you experience. Experience gives you levels and gaining levels under your system makes the game harder. Anything you do that isn't a base upgrade will make your game harder with absolutely no gain. Plenty of clans will simply abandon the concept of troop donation entirely.

People will always continue to donate troops. Regardless of their reasons to do so, it's kind of a necessity in the game. They not only are nice to have as back up as you attack, but prove a valuable assets to protect your base. Also, those that do not donate will find it very hard to remain in any clan.

Pretty much EVERY video game system is setup this way. As you progress, your opponents naturally progress. This is called a challenge, and if people know this they won't waste their and our time doing one thing on this game. It's a multitasking type of game, which is what appeals to me. I believe is what appeals to most, yes it has its farming and downtime aspect. Yet, it also has the battle part and social aspect. You think they put these in the game to be ignored? Or some people should be able to ignore them, while others are actually trying to advance?

Theres no challenge in farming and donating and leveling up. Especially as you get higher and your troops take longer. This games not about just farming, it is so much more than that.


As you upgrade, your capacity for gaining trophies should go up. Whether or not that makes the matches easier is up to you. Again you are stuck on saying things should work a certain way because you say so.

Again, I am not arguing that your trophy wins and loses should be based on the trophy count. I am saying basing the trophy count to gauge ones opponent is massively flawed. As we have all seen.....



Simply not true. The troops required for attacking are much more expensive and time consuming to build at higher levels than lower ones. This means people with weaker bases can afford to build more troops in less time and attack more often. Without the threat of attacks from higher levels, they would rise through the ranks unchecked.

You're joking right?

Yes better and higher level troops take longer, but people who have those also have better bases. Let them attack me more often, if they are so low level. With such low troops I would destroy them. They wouldn't be able to rise at all actually. It would be pretty embarrassing for them after a while and they would play the game correctly.

And let them sit there and level up through donations. This would be extremely time consuming, and their base and resources and trophies would suffer for it. They would eventually start playing correctly.....



No it won't. If you can only battle people of the same level you will simply not be able to earn enough resources to make up the cost of attacking. You seem to be ignoring the fact that at a certain point only PEKKAs, dragons, and rage spells will work. Getting pillaged costs you at most 180k. I'd much rather get pillaged for 180k every time my shield is up then only to be able to extract small amounts of resources at great cost a couple of times a day.

Then one needs to upgrade and move through the game properly. If the cap was five higher and five lower to me right now. I would be completely fine. Between upgrading my own mines, and pumps. I could get at least 100-200k gold and 250k elixir easily from a couple raids a day. Then add that to what I extract myself. This would be more than sufficient for anyone to achieve advancing in the rankings. You basically want all the skill taken out of the game. I don't see the issue here......

You simply cannot get over "meant to be played".

There is no meant to be played. Ask different people and you will get tons of different answers about how they play. Your way isn't inherently better than someone else's. Also the game clearly isn't meant to be played the way you play it at all. If it were, you'd be successful. You are not. You have chosen to play the game in the hardest way possible, and that's fine. That doesn't give you license to dictate that the game be changed so that your way becomes the "right" way.

So what if I choose to do nothing but sit in clan chat and donate troops to people? So what if I clan hop and donate high level troops to low level players? So what if I decide to level to level 200? So what if I use gems to buy a wacky combination of seemingly incomprehensible upgrades? So what if I'm 8 years old and have little concept of strategy and troop deployment?

You would have Supercell make the game completely out of reach for these people in the interest of "fairness". That is completely and utterly unfair.

We should aim for a game that is playable by people in different ways, not everyone in the same way. Trophies can allow that.

An incentive for gaining trophies would fix your problem by largely eliminating people from purposefully dropping them. It wouldn't stop everyone, but the vast majority of people do what is profitable. This solution fixes your problem while making tons of other people happy. Matching on level would make you and people who play like you happy while screwing over tons of other people.

Why can't you empathize with that?

the way supercell want you to play you mean. they want you to buy gems. spend money on upgrades. only morons do that. lol

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the way supercell want you to play you mean. they want you to buy gems. spend money on upgrades. only morons do that. lol

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Supercell doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ how you play as long as you buy gems. They do that mostly by making things take a while. Even if you do spend money on the game, it's foolish to use that money for resources unless you're at the very top of the trophy ladder. I imagine they'd be pretty happy if everyone who played simply spent money for the builders. People rushing build times and buying resources is a bonus.

Everyone plays the game differently. No one way is right or wrong. Play it the way you want & dont criticize someone else for their play. Do what works best for you, that also may mean what works for you might not work for someone else. Trial and error, if one thing doesnt work try another.

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You simply cannot get over "meant to be played".

There is no meant to be played. Ask different people and you will get tons of different answers about how they play. Your way isn't inherently better than someone else's. Also the game clearly isn't meant to be played the way you play it at all. If it were, you'd be successful. You are not. You have chosen to play the game in the hardest way possible, and that's fine. That doesn't give you license to dictate that the game be changed so that your way becomes the "right" way.

So what if I choose to do nothing but sit in clan chat and donate troops to people? So what if I clan hop and donate high level troops to low level players? So what if I decide to level to level 200? So what if I use gems to buy a wacky combination of seemingly incomprehensible upgrades? So what if I'm 8 years old and have little concept of strategy and troop deployment?

You would have Supercell make the game completely out of reach for these people in the interest of "fairness". That is completely and utterly unfair.

We should aim for a game that is playable by people in different ways, not everyone in the same way. Trophies can allow that.

An incentive for gaining trophies would fix your problem by largely eliminating people from purposefully dropping them. It wouldn't stop everyone's, but the vast majority of people do what is profitable. This solution fixes your problem while making tons of other people happy. Matching on level would make you and people who play like you happy while screwing over tons of other people.

Why can't you empathize with that?

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Emphasize with people who have changed the game by whining. It's called Clash of the Clans, the title itself says its more than a farming game. The description tells you from the get go that the game involves battling and upgrading your village. So no, I m pretty sure I am playing it correctly.

And yes, who cares for all those scenarios. As I have already clearly pointed out in many points, those people will suffer for not playing the game correctly. The game was fine the way it was before, it just needed a few tweaks. A cap for example would have been nice. This system will NEVER work..... Your virtually the only one that feels this way. Which leads me to believe your a trophy dumper, who wants to keep the rest of us from advancing. If you would like a game to chat and game, try Facebook. They have plenty of those useless things.....

and let's be honest, I am actually really good at the game, except for recently. This new system is flawed, and allows others (like yourself) to dump trophies and rob everything of ours. Keep the personal insults for someone feeble enough to care....... I'll also mind you, if you don't have the courtesy to clearly rebuttal my points. Don't bother, I gave you that courtesy as you tried to throw me under the bus.

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Emphasize with people who have changed the game by whining. It's called Clash of the Clans, the title itself says its more than a farming game. The description tells you from the get go that the game involves battling and upgrading your village. So no, I m pretty sure I am playing it correctly.

And yes, who cares for all those scenarios. As I have already clearly pointed out in many points, those people will suffer for not playing the game correctly. The game was fine the way it was before, it just needed a few tweaks. A cap for example would have been nice. This system will NEVER work..... Your virtually the only one that feels this way. Which leads me to believe your a trophy dumper, who wants to keep the rest of us from advancing. If you would like a game to chat and game, try Facebook. They have plenty of those useless things.....

and let's be honest, I am actually really good at the game, except for recently. This new system is flawed, and allows others (like yourself) to dump trophies and rob everything of ours. Keep the personal insults for someone feeble enough to care....... I'll also mind you, if you don't have the courtesy to clearly rebuttal my points. Don't bother, I gave you that courtesy as you tried to throw me under the bus.

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Thank you for posting this. Now every time I rob somebody of their resources I can imagine you crying crocodile tears. Cry more for me because I'm not going to stop farming your weak village and all the other weak villages.

btw, it is "empathize" not "emphasize"...nublet

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Emphasize with people who have changed the game by whining. It's called Clash of the Clans, the title itself says its more than a farming game. The description tells you from the get go that the game involves battling and upgrading your village. So no, I m pretty sure I am playing it correctly.

And yes, who cares for all those scenarios. As I have already clearly pointed out in many points, those people will suffer for not playing the game correctly. The game was fine the way it was before, it just needed a few tweaks. A cap for example would have been nice. This system will NEVER work..... Your virtually the only one that feels this way. Which leads me to believe your a trophy dumper, who wants to keep the rest of us from advancing. If you would like a game to chat and game, try Facebook. They have plenty of those useless things.....

and let's be honest, I am actually really good at the game, except for recently. This new system is flawed, and allows others (like yourself) to dump trophies and rob everything of ours. Keep the personal insults for someone feeble enough to care....... I'll also mind you, if you don't have the courtesy to clearly rebuttal my points. Don't bother, I gave you that courtesy as you tried to throw me under the bus.

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What personal insults? I didn't personally insult you. I never accused you of not knowing how to play. Also all of your points boil down to it should be the way you say because everyone should play the way you play or suffer the consequences.

You have yet to say why my system would never work. I don't think you honestly know why. You care more about punishing those who you see as playing the game contrary to how you do then having a system of play where everyone can play how they want.

I can assure you I'm not the only person that feels that way. Now that your argument boils down solely to an opinion which is completely indefensible, you seek to demonize me by sticking me in a group you find undesirable and saying that we collectively don't want you to advance. Why would I care or anyone else care? Actually it is you that doesn't want anyone else to advance. Next it'll be accusations that I work for Supercell. At least you agree that your method would screw over a ton of people. That's further then I usually get. Unfortunately that fact seems to have little weight with you.

You're also wrong about the complainers. Funny that you mention them actually. It was the people who were not dropping trophies that were complaining. The people that complained were high level people who could not find matches at the top tiers of play, not the farmers. It's still pretty much the same for them. Furthermore, Supercell stated that the old method of match making was not sustainable. It didn't scale and as a result there were huge delays and lag in the system. That was the principle reason for the change.

Lastly you say you're good at the game. The game at its core is about attacking more frequently than your opponent. The game is setup to advantage the attacker over the defender. It's not that hard to gain trophies. You and tons of others managed to do it with ♥♥♥♥ bases. Especially when the match making system matches you with people hundreds of trophies lower. Now that you are matched with people with the same number you can't compete.

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If you're complaining about the match making because you are now being matched with high level opponents, this means you have too many trophies for your level. People have been saying this in response to complaints about being attacked by higher levels since the game began. Now that the match making actually matches you closer to your trophy level, you can no longer "next match" your way to weak bases to increase your trophies.

One would think that instead of complaining, the match making changes would be a wake up call for you. Proof, if you will, about what others have been saying.

YOU HAVE TOO MANY TROPHIES TO SUSTAIN FOR YOUR CURRENT NUMBER OF UPGRADES.

All of those high level bases represent the upgrades you need to stay where you are and to progress any further. It's not unfair. Put in the time/money to grow your base. What's unfair is to expect to be able to have as many trophies as them without putting in the time and effort they did.

The solution for you is to drop your trophies to an appropriate level so you can grow your base. No longer will you farm trophies from the weak to artificially inflate your trophy level above what it should be. You want trophies, you have to play with the big boys now.

Match making based on level or th level should not and will not happen. Level in this game is meaningless and th level matching will cause people to not want to upgrade (similar to the loot situation, but far more severe). This would be very very bad. Likewise artificial controls are not going to be put in place to allow you to match each other unimpeded to the top. This would invalidate the entire point of upgrading your base.

It's becoming almost a matter of faith for you. Despite all of the posts and reasoning about why it won't work and despite the fact that they tested this in beta and it didn't work, you say if you believe hard enough this faulty method of match making would be successful. It wouldn't.

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A lot of people wish this were a more tactical tower defense game. They enjoy the precision of offense and the new wrinkle of designing a defense and being able customize it for their unique style in a competitive social format. That's the way they want to play. So when they purposely have to lose trophies to remain competitive, that bothers them. They're gamers. They don't want to play FarmVille or the Sims. Nobody likes a game within a game. People want to be rewarded for their talents not for "their time and money" to grow their base.

It doesn't take a unique skill set to build your town. Here's a secret. Spend money on builders. Keep them busy. Spend money on gems. Upgrade your defense when you can't defend well. Upgrade your offense when you're losing battles. Spend money on gems. You're now set to be the top dog.

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A lot of people wish this were a more tactical tower defense game. They enjoy the precision of offense and the new wrinkle of designing a defense and being able customize it for their unique style in a competitive social format. That's the way they want to play. So when they purposely have to lose trophies to remain competitive, that bothers them. They're gamers. They don't want to play FarmVille or the Sims. Nobody likes a game within a game. People want to be rewarded for their talents not for "their time and money" to grow their base.

It doesn't take a unique skill set to build your town. Here's a secret. Spend money on builders. Keep them busy. Spend money on gems. Upgrade your defense when you can't defend well. Upgrade your offense when you're losing battles. Spend money on gems. You're now set to be the top dog.

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I have no interest in trophies. The reason why is I realize that there is no way to get to the top of the leader board without spending gobs of money. Basically if you're going for the top of the leader board and you aren't spending money you've lost before you've even started.

It doesn't take a unique skill set to acquire trophies to a certain point. The game is set up to advantage the attacker. You simply attack a lot. However after a certain point unless you pay money you simply can't attack more often then the people who do.