To the low level trophy chasers...

They say nothing about how that effort was spent. You seem to think there is only one way to play the game and if you play it different you deserve to get screwed.

No, I said playing the game means being active on all three fronts. Farming, upgrading and battling. If someone is sitting there doing nothing but farm and level up, then yes they deserve to be pillaged. There is a battle aspect in the game because its meant to be played. No matter how you word it, it's still meant to be played. So play it, and upgrade your ♥♥♥♥. If not, go play FarmVille.....

You say one group deserves to be pillaged for playing one way and maintain that people that play your way don't. Yeah that's certainly, "fair".

No, again; if,you're not playing the full game, then you're not playing the game. Upgrading your clan and battling others is part of the game. If not, there are plenty of other games to suit the virtual farmers. Especially considering this game is advertised to be more than just that......

How is that punishment? Again, different people play differently and have different strengths. You should never end up in a situation where the upgrades you select cause you to dig a hole you cannot get out of.

It's punishment because someone like me is working on all aspects of the game. I farm, upgrade and battle. I logged the hours, and now anyone with a much higher level, higher troops, and troop capacity can just come in and pillage me. All they have to do is keep their trophies low. When in reality they should be competing against each other for more trophies, and wait till I am in their league......

No because with an incentive system in place that makes trophy collecting valuable, people that gain more trophies will be properly rewarded for doing so.

There was an incentive for trophies, it was called the leader board. Now the only people who give a damn about the board are those that have been in it. Everyone else is now just dumping trophies to pillage those below them. I am not saying the first system wasn't flawed, but this one is just as flawed. If not worse, seeing as I can't get above 1100 in trophies now.

So apparently you don't see the difference between a cheat or a hack and legitimate game play that puts you in a position different from the rest of people.

Yes, that's precisely what I said.

or maybe I was saying it doesn't matter. People will cheat, changing the match making to the new system won't stop that. Go after the hackers and ban their devices. I don't care, but to make a worse system that does nothing to prevent this and is adding fuel to the fire. Asinine.....

Because this sets up a bunch of cases that are contrary to what you are attempting to achieve with level based matching. Note the case I described above which you compared to a cheat or hack.

No it doesn't, if you give incentive to upgrade your base while leveling up and gaining trophies. You have a cap on who you can attack and that way no one gets pillaged by those way too advanced for them. If someone wants to level up the easy way, then they pay the price. I don't want to hear "that's how you play the game and that's how I play the game". There aren't different ways to play the game, and all games have the same objective. To win and be the best. Anyone who isn't playing for that reason should try solitaire......

People will stop donating troops because donating troops gives you experience. Experience gives you levels and gaining levels under your system makes the game harder. Anything you do that isn't a base upgrade will make your game harder with absolutely no gain. Plenty of clans will simply abandon the concept of troop donation entirely.

People will always continue to donate troops. Regardless of their reasons to do so, it's kind of a necessity in the game. They not only are nice to have as back up as you attack, but prove a valuable assets to protect your base. Also, those that do not donate will find it very hard to remain in any clan.

Pretty much EVERY video game system is setup this way. As you progress, your opponents naturally progress. This is called a challenge, and if people know this they won't waste their and our time doing one thing on this game. It's a multitasking type of game, which is what appeals to me. I believe is what appeals to most, yes it has its farming and downtime aspect. Yet, it also has the battle part and social aspect. You think they put these in the game to be ignored? Or some people should be able to ignore them, while others are actually trying to advance?

Theres no challenge in farming and donating and leveling up. Especially as you get higher and your troops take longer. This games not about just farming, it is so much more than that.


As you upgrade, your capacity for gaining trophies should go up. Whether or not that makes the matches easier is up to you. Again you are stuck on saying things should work a certain way because you say so.

Again, I am not arguing that your trophy wins and loses should be based on the trophy count. I am saying basing the trophy count to gauge ones opponent is massively flawed. As we have all seen.....



Simply not true. The troops required for attacking are much more expensive and time consuming to build at higher levels than lower ones. This means people with weaker bases can afford to build more troops in less time and attack more often. Without the threat of attacks from higher levels, they would rise through the ranks unchecked.

You're joking right?

Yes better and higher level troops take longer, but people who have those also have better bases. Let them attack me more often, if they are so low level. With such low troops I would destroy them. They wouldn't be able to rise at all actually. It would be pretty embarrassing for them after a while and they would play the game correctly.

And let them sit there and level up through donations. This would be extremely time consuming, and their base and resources and trophies would suffer for it. They would eventually start playing correctly.....



No it won't. If you can only battle people of the same level you will simply not be able to earn enough resources to make up the cost of attacking. You seem to be ignoring the fact that at a certain point only PEKKAs, dragons, and rage spells will work. Getting pillaged costs you at most 180k. I'd much rather get pillaged for 180k every time my shield is up then only to be able to extract small amounts of resources at great cost a couple of times a day.

Then one needs to upgrade and move through the game properly. If the cap was five higher and five lower to me right now. I would be completely fine. Between upgrading my own mines, and pumps. I could get at least 100-200k gold and 250k elixir easily from a couple raids a day. Then add that to what I extract myself. This would be more than sufficient for anyone to achieve advancing in the rankings. You basically want all the skill taken out of the game. I don't see the issue here......

You simply cannot get over "meant to be played".

There is no meant to be played. Ask different people and you will get tons of different answers about how they play. Your way isn't inherently better than someone else's. Also the game clearly isn't meant to be played the way you play it at all. If it were, you'd be successful. You are not. You have chosen to play the game in the hardest way possible, and that's fine. That doesn't give you license to dictate that the game be changed so that your way becomes the "right" way.

So what if I choose to do nothing but sit in clan chat and donate troops to people? So what if I clan hop and donate high level troops to low level players? So what if I decide to level to level 200? So what if I use gems to buy a wacky combination of seemingly incomprehensible upgrades? So what if I'm 8 years old and have little concept of strategy and troop deployment?

You would have Supercell make the game completely out of reach for these people in the interest of "fairness". That is completely and utterly unfair.

We should aim for a game that is playable by people in different ways, not everyone in the same way. Trophies can allow that.

An incentive for gaining trophies would fix your problem by largely eliminating people from purposefully dropping them. It wouldn't stop everyone, but the vast majority of people do what is profitable. This solution fixes your problem while making tons of other people happy. Matching on level would make you and people who play like you happy while screwing over tons of other people.

Why can't you empathize with that?

the way supercell want you to play you mean. they want you to buy gems. spend money on upgrades. only morons do that. lol

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the way supercell want you to play you mean. they want you to buy gems. spend money on upgrades. only morons do that. lol

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Supercell doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ how you play as long as you buy gems. They do that mostly by making things take a while. Even if you do spend money on the game, it's foolish to use that money for resources unless you're at the very top of the trophy ladder. I imagine they'd be pretty happy if everyone who played simply spent money for the builders. People rushing build times and buying resources is a bonus.

Everyone plays the game differently. No one way is right or wrong. Play it the way you want & dont criticize someone else for their play. Do what works best for you, that also may mean what works for you might not work for someone else. Trial and error, if one thing doesnt work try another.

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You simply cannot get over "meant to be played".

There is no meant to be played. Ask different people and you will get tons of different answers about how they play. Your way isn't inherently better than someone else's. Also the game clearly isn't meant to be played the way you play it at all. If it were, you'd be successful. You are not. You have chosen to play the game in the hardest way possible, and that's fine. That doesn't give you license to dictate that the game be changed so that your way becomes the "right" way.

So what if I choose to do nothing but sit in clan chat and donate troops to people? So what if I clan hop and donate high level troops to low level players? So what if I decide to level to level 200? So what if I use gems to buy a wacky combination of seemingly incomprehensible upgrades? So what if I'm 8 years old and have little concept of strategy and troop deployment?

You would have Supercell make the game completely out of reach for these people in the interest of "fairness". That is completely and utterly unfair.

We should aim for a game that is playable by people in different ways, not everyone in the same way. Trophies can allow that.

An incentive for gaining trophies would fix your problem by largely eliminating people from purposefully dropping them. It wouldn't stop everyone's, but the vast majority of people do what is profitable. This solution fixes your problem while making tons of other people happy. Matching on level would make you and people who play like you happy while screwing over tons of other people.

Why can't you empathize with that?

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Emphasize with people who have changed the game by whining. It's called Clash of the Clans, the title itself says its more than a farming game. The description tells you from the get go that the game involves battling and upgrading your village. So no, I m pretty sure I am playing it correctly.

And yes, who cares for all those scenarios. As I have already clearly pointed out in many points, those people will suffer for not playing the game correctly. The game was fine the way it was before, it just needed a few tweaks. A cap for example would have been nice. This system will NEVER work..... Your virtually the only one that feels this way. Which leads me to believe your a trophy dumper, who wants to keep the rest of us from advancing. If you would like a game to chat and game, try Facebook. They have plenty of those useless things.....

and let's be honest, I am actually really good at the game, except for recently. This new system is flawed, and allows others (like yourself) to dump trophies and rob everything of ours. Keep the personal insults for someone feeble enough to care....... I'll also mind you, if you don't have the courtesy to clearly rebuttal my points. Don't bother, I gave you that courtesy as you tried to throw me under the bus.

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Emphasize with people who have changed the game by whining. It's called Clash of the Clans, the title itself says its more than a farming game. The description tells you from the get go that the game involves battling and upgrading your village. So no, I m pretty sure I am playing it correctly.

And yes, who cares for all those scenarios. As I have already clearly pointed out in many points, those people will suffer for not playing the game correctly. The game was fine the way it was before, it just needed a few tweaks. A cap for example would have been nice. This system will NEVER work..... Your virtually the only one that feels this way. Which leads me to believe your a trophy dumper, who wants to keep the rest of us from advancing. If you would like a game to chat and game, try Facebook. They have plenty of those useless things.....

and let's be honest, I am actually really good at the game, except for recently. This new system is flawed, and allows others (like yourself) to dump trophies and rob everything of ours. Keep the personal insults for someone feeble enough to care....... I'll also mind you, if you don't have the courtesy to clearly rebuttal my points. Don't bother, I gave you that courtesy as you tried to throw me under the bus.

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Thank you for posting this. Now every time I rob somebody of their resources I can imagine you crying crocodile tears. Cry more for me because I'm not going to stop farming your weak village and all the other weak villages.

btw, it is "empathize" not "emphasize"...nublet

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Emphasize with people who have changed the game by whining. It's called Clash of the Clans, the title itself says its more than a farming game. The description tells you from the get go that the game involves battling and upgrading your village. So no, I m pretty sure I am playing it correctly.

And yes, who cares for all those scenarios. As I have already clearly pointed out in many points, those people will suffer for not playing the game correctly. The game was fine the way it was before, it just needed a few tweaks. A cap for example would have been nice. This system will NEVER work..... Your virtually the only one that feels this way. Which leads me to believe your a trophy dumper, who wants to keep the rest of us from advancing. If you would like a game to chat and game, try Facebook. They have plenty of those useless things.....

and let's be honest, I am actually really good at the game, except for recently. This new system is flawed, and allows others (like yourself) to dump trophies and rob everything of ours. Keep the personal insults for someone feeble enough to care....... I'll also mind you, if you don't have the courtesy to clearly rebuttal my points. Don't bother, I gave you that courtesy as you tried to throw me under the bus.

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What personal insults? I didn't personally insult you. I never accused you of not knowing how to play. Also all of your points boil down to it should be the way you say because everyone should play the way you play or suffer the consequences.

You have yet to say why my system would never work. I don't think you honestly know why. You care more about punishing those who you see as playing the game contrary to how you do then having a system of play where everyone can play how they want.

I can assure you I'm not the only person that feels that way. Now that your argument boils down solely to an opinion which is completely indefensible, you seek to demonize me by sticking me in a group you find undesirable and saying that we collectively don't want you to advance. Why would I care or anyone else care? Actually it is you that doesn't want anyone else to advance. Next it'll be accusations that I work for Supercell. At least you agree that your method would screw over a ton of people. That's further then I usually get. Unfortunately that fact seems to have little weight with you.

You're also wrong about the complainers. Funny that you mention them actually. It was the people who were not dropping trophies that were complaining. The people that complained were high level people who could not find matches at the top tiers of play, not the farmers. It's still pretty much the same for them. Furthermore, Supercell stated that the old method of match making was not sustainable. It didn't scale and as a result there were huge delays and lag in the system. That was the principle reason for the change.

Lastly you say you're good at the game. The game at its core is about attacking more frequently than your opponent. The game is setup to advantage the attacker over the defender. It's not that hard to gain trophies. You and tons of others managed to do it with ♥♥♥♥ bases. Especially when the match making system matches you with people hundreds of trophies lower. Now that you are matched with people with the same number you can't compete.

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If you're complaining about the match making because you are now being matched with high level opponents, this means you have too many trophies for your level. People have been saying this in response to complaints about being attacked by higher levels since the game began. Now that the match making actually matches you closer to your trophy level, you can no longer "next match" your way to weak bases to increase your trophies.

One would think that instead of complaining, the match making changes would be a wake up call for you. Proof, if you will, about what others have been saying.

YOU HAVE TOO MANY TROPHIES TO SUSTAIN FOR YOUR CURRENT NUMBER OF UPGRADES.

All of those high level bases represent the upgrades you need to stay where you are and to progress any further. It's not unfair. Put in the time/money to grow your base. What's unfair is to expect to be able to have as many trophies as them without putting in the time and effort they did.

The solution for you is to drop your trophies to an appropriate level so you can grow your base. No longer will you farm trophies from the weak to artificially inflate your trophy level above what it should be. You want trophies, you have to play with the big boys now.

Match making based on level or th level should not and will not happen. Level in this game is meaningless and th level matching will cause people to not want to upgrade (similar to the loot situation, but far more severe). This would be very very bad. Likewise artificial controls are not going to be put in place to allow you to match each other unimpeded to the top. This would invalidate the entire point of upgrading your base.

It's becoming almost a matter of faith for you. Despite all of the posts and reasoning about why it won't work and despite the fact that they tested this in beta and it didn't work, you say if you believe hard enough this faulty method of match making would be successful. It wouldn't.

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A lot of people wish this were a more tactical tower defense game. They enjoy the precision of offense and the new wrinkle of designing a defense and being able customize it for their unique style in a competitive social format. That's the way they want to play. So when they purposely have to lose trophies to remain competitive, that bothers them. They're gamers. They don't want to play FarmVille or the Sims. Nobody likes a game within a game. People want to be rewarded for their talents not for "their time and money" to grow their base.

It doesn't take a unique skill set to build your town. Here's a secret. Spend money on builders. Keep them busy. Spend money on gems. Upgrade your defense when you can't defend well. Upgrade your offense when you're losing battles. Spend money on gems. You're now set to be the top dog.

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A lot of people wish this were a more tactical tower defense game. They enjoy the precision of offense and the new wrinkle of designing a defense and being able customize it for their unique style in a competitive social format. That's the way they want to play. So when they purposely have to lose trophies to remain competitive, that bothers them. They're gamers. They don't want to play FarmVille or the Sims. Nobody likes a game within a game. People want to be rewarded for their talents not for "their time and money" to grow their base.

It doesn't take a unique skill set to build your town. Here's a secret. Spend money on builders. Keep them busy. Spend money on gems. Upgrade your defense when you can't defend well. Upgrade your offense when you're losing battles. Spend money on gems. You're now set to be the top dog.

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I have no interest in trophies. The reason why is I realize that there is no way to get to the top of the leader board without spending gobs of money. Basically if you're going for the top of the leader board and you aren't spending money you've lost before you've even started.

It doesn't take a unique skill set to acquire trophies to a certain point. The game is set up to advantage the attacker. You simply attack a lot. However after a certain point unless you pay money you simply can't attack more often then the people who do.