New matchmaking and game difficulty

As you know, we introduced a much faster and more fluid matchmaking system with the Winter Update. We've received quite a few complaints that the new matchmaking has made the game more difficult. The game is now offering you opponents with trophy counts a lot closer to your own, which means that you have the potential to win a lot more trophies in one battle. This of course results in more challenging fights.

In fact, game difficulty hasn't changed. A match where you're able to win 30 trophies is just as challenging as a 30 trophy match was before. The difference is that now you're just seeing a lot more of 30 trophy matches, compared to matches offered by the old matchmaking system where you might win just three trophies. In other words, you don't have to smash ten low-level villages to get those 30 trophies any more. Any seriously competitive Clash of Clans player will appreciate the new challenge and the time they save!

If you've only been fighting low level players until now, you'll need to learn how to beat tougher opponents. The best way to do that is by bravely attacking and seeing what works and what doesn't! If you keep losing, then your trophy count was too high and you need to build a stronger village and upgrade your army. It's easier to bounce back than you think, and you'll have truly earned your new trophies after claiming them from real opponents. Having fair fights will result in a better gaming experience in the long run.

Completely agree. Can't wait to get to the top end of my trophy range and start playing strategically to squeeze out those well earned 30 trophy wins!

Rauta, you seem to be ignoring me. If your clan castle is hit by the Santa spell your archers are dead too.

They do not come out of the debris, it's the tenth time I'm saying this. Go look on the top players and look at the arrows going sky high like from 100th to the 40th position in just a few hours.

Im getting really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off about this, I have been warning you about it for hours and you totally ignore me and the bug!

Agree ....much better match and trophy system then before!!! Yes much more difficult but thats how it should be!!!! Now the higher levels will have to actually compete against their own levels rather then raiding people 20 to 30 levels under them!!! Luv it!!!!

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Originally Posted by Rauta

As you know, we introduced a much faster and more fluid matchmaking system with the Winter Update. We've received quite a few complaints that the new matchmaking has made the game more difficult. The game is now offering you opponents with trophy counts a lot closer to your own, which means that you have the potential to win a lot more trophies in one battle. This of course results in more challenging fights.

Most seriously competitive Clash of Clans players will appreciate the new challenge and the time they save!

If you've only been fighting low level players until now, you'll need to learn how to beat tougher opponents. The best way to do that is by bravely attacking and seeing what works and what doesn't! If you keep losing, then your trophy count was too high and you need to build a stronger village and upgrade your army. .

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Much Love, Rauta. I, for one, appreciate the new matchmaking. This is how it should have been; none of that "destroy this village, get one trophy" kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by Rauta

As you know, we introduced a much faster and more fluid matchmaking system with the Winter Update. We've received quite a few complaints that the new matchmaking has made the game more difficult. The game is now offering you opponents with trophy counts a lot closer to your own, which means that you have the potential to win a lot more trophies in one battle. This of course results in more challenging fights.

In fact, game difficulty hasn't changed. A match where you're able to win 30 trophies is just as challenging as a 30 trophy match was before. The difference is that now you're just seeing a lot more of 30 trophy matches, compared to matches offered by the old matchmaking system where you might win just three trophies. In other words, you don't have to smash ten low-level villages to get those 30 trophies any more. Any seriously competitive Clash of Clans player will appreciate the new challenge and the time they save!

If you've only been fighting low level players until now, you'll need to learn how to beat tougher opponents. The best way to do that is by bravely attacking and seeing what works and what doesn't! If you keep losing, then your trophy count was too high and you need to build a stronger village and upgrade your army. It's easier to bounce back than you think, and you'll have truly earned your new trophies after claiming them from real opponents. Having fair fights will result in a better gaming experience in the long run.

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True but its almost impossible to get recources.
Farming was à way to upgrade your buildings.
Now its almost impossible to get fast recources. And to get to THE top you need strong deffence and offence.
So how long do you need to play for you can reach THE top. Years ????.............

people Will quit for Sure if they see it takes so long.

À few months and spending some gems its no prob for alot of peeps.

Mayb for THE top players its improved but for lower who just need recources its hell now.
Becouse THE game change drasticly i wont buy any gems anymore. I just play nothing more nothing less.
THE game change with updates to big you never can expect what Will happen. Wont spend my money on That.

Kind regards

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Originally Posted by Stevenrutten

True but its almost impossible to get recources.
Farming was à way to upgrade your buildings.
Now its almost impossible to get fast recources. And to get to THE top you need strong deffence and offence.
So how long do you need to play for you can reach THE top. Years ????.............

people Will quit for Sure if they see it takes so long.

À few months and spending some gems its no prob for alot of peeps.

Mayb for THE top players its improved but for lower who just need recources its hell now.
Becouse THE game change drasticly i wont buy any gems anymore. I just play nothing more nothing less.
THE game change with updates to big you never can expect what Will happen. Wont spend my money on That.

Kind regards

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if you deliberatley lose about 200 trophies you will be facing the same easy targets as you were before.. problem solved?

Personally I really love the new matchmaking system. Minor fixes will make the game run as fluid as it is intended to. So far, I am reaping all the benefits from TH9. Made it worth it.

Thanks for all the hard work Devs. Will definitely throw GEMS this time for support. ;)

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Originally Posted by JesseJames2013

Rauta, you seem to be ignoring me. If your clan castle is hit by the Santa spell your archers are dead too.

They do not come out of the debris, it's the tenth time I'm saying this. Go look on the top players and look at the arrows going sky high like from 100th to the 40th position in just a few hours.

Im getting really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off about this, I have been warning you about it for hours and you totally ignore me and the bug!

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Just calm down Jesse. Have you PM'd Rauta?

And I have taken out 20 troops with one well placed (lucky) lightning spell right out of the clan castle. It's possible that if someone dropped a bomb on a building you were housed in, it would cave in and you would be crushed. Maybe that's what happened to your troops

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Originally Posted by JesseJames2013

Rauta, you seem to be ignoring me. If your clan castle is hit by the Santa spell your archers are dead too.

They do not come out of the debris, it's the tenth time I'm saying this. Go look on the top players and look at the arrows going sky high like from 100th to the 40th position in just a few hours.

Im getting really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off about this, I have been warning you about it for hours and you totally ignore me and the bug!

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Someone having a hissy fit...? My oh my, the drama...

Now go and fix the problem Rota, it's been three minutes since I told you and it's not done yet. LOL

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

Personally I really love the new matchmaking system. Minor fixes will make the game run as fluid as it is intended to. So far, I am reaping all the benefits from TH9. Made it worth it.

Thanks for all the hard work Devs. Will definitely throw GEMS this time for support. ;)

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Lol finally! Someone who isn't crying about how "hard" the game has become. I, also, love the new matchmaking. Makes it easier to get trophies ;)

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

if you deliberatley lose about 200 trophies you will be facing the same easy targets as you were before.. problem solved?

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Im at 400 throphies .....

While we do appreciate the latest goodies and contest, I must admit that the new matchmaking system is very slow and very discerning. The biggest problem with this new system that its very slow. As I write this, it has been at least 5 minutes since the new system is "Searching for opponents". Now I know that this could be due to server lag, but this issue needs to be addressed. Now on to the nitty gritty: The trophy count based matchmaking is a double edged sword. At one hand, yes it does pose as a challenge for a lot of players who were getting by with getting 3-10 trophies per battle. I know my climb to 1250 trophies was slow because I could only take on villages with a weaker defense system. The issue with this is the fact that all a higher level and advance player has to do now is to lose a battle purposely, lowering their trophy count, therefore allowing them to invade lesser advance players. This system also negates players who may have a high trophy count but does not have the advantage militarily simply because they can't afford to buy gems and advance their village defense as quickly as their opponents. In my opinion. this system will only exploit the weaker players, thus rendering them discouraged from playing the game or investing on the game (cause like it or not, the essence of this game is to make money). This is purely my opinion, I am sure many will disagree with me...especially if they're the high level folks that I am talking about. Anyway, I am still here and I won't be going anywhere. I truly do appreciate what Supercell has brought to us ipad/iphone gamers.

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

if you deliberatley lose about 200 trophies you will be facing the same easy targets as you were before.. problem solved?

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So we have to sacrifice ourselves ? After all the time and money spent on this game..

Here is my vision : I am giving money to supercell, (as a lot of players do) and with it, developpers use it for what ? Making the game as dificult as they can to make you spend EVEN MORE.

I am dissapointed.

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Originally Posted by Zakilluminati

So we have to sacrifice ourselves ? After all the time and money spent on this game..

Here is my vision : I am giving money to supercell, (as a lot of players do) and with it, developpers use it for what ? Making the game as dificult as they can to make you spend EVEN MORE.

I am dissapointed.

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Well, if you are not strong enough to win a fair match in your current trophy range, then you can adjust your trophy amount to find matches that are closer to your village's strength. Like said in the original post, we didn't change the difficulty of the game but rather only the perceived difficulty changed because you are now offered matches that should be closer to your strength and thus more challenging.

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Originally Posted by leon0311

While we do appreciate the latest goodies and contest, I must admit that the new matchmaking system is very slow and very discerning. The biggest problem with this new system that its very slow. As I write this, it has been at least 5 minutes since the new system is "Searching for opponents". Now I know that this could be due to server lag, but this issue needs to be addressed. Now on to the nitty gritty: The trophy count based matchmaking is a double edged sword. At one hand, yes it does pose as a challenge for a lot of players who were getting by with getting 3-10 trophies per battle. I know my climb to 1250 trophies was slow because I could only take on villages with a weaker defense system. The issue with this is the fact that all a higher level and advance player has to do now is to lose a battle purposely, lowering their trophy count, therefore allowing them to invade lesser advance players. This system also negates players who may have a high trophy count but does not have the advantage militarily simply because they can't afford to buy gems and advance their village defense as quickly as their opponents. In my opinion. this system will only exploit the weaker players, thus rendering them discouraged from playing the game or investing on the game (cause like it or not, the essence of this game is to make money). This is purely my opinion, I am sure many will disagree with me...especially if they're the high level folks that I am talking about. Anyway, I am still here and I won't be going anywhere. I truly do appreciate what Supercell has brought to us ipad/iphone gamers.

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No the difference is that now when you have 1k trophies you get more people with (example) 950-1050 trophies instead of people with as low as 650 (again example) so that you can't farm those weak players AND advance because of it.

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Originally Posted by Zakilluminati

So we have to sacrifice ourselves ? After all the time and money spent on this game..

Here is my vision : I am giving money to supercell, (as a lot of players do) and with it, developpers use it for what ? Making the game as dificult as they can to make you spend EVEN MORE.

I am dissapointed.

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By what it sounds this has not changed it just brings the RANGE of trophies you can battle to a more narrow range.

The new match-making system has improved alot and I like it this way.

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Originally Posted by Rauta

Well, if you are not strong enough to win a fair match in your current trophy range, then you can adjust your trophy amount to find matches that are closer to your village's strength. Like said in the original post, we didn't change the difficulty of the game but rather only the perceived difficulty changed because you are now offered matches that should be closer to your strength and thus more challenging.

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I agree with your statement. Of course I want my game to be rewarding and challenging. I guess what we are trying to say is that the higher level guys can easily exploit us just for resources. It's almost like keeping the rich richer, and the poor poorer. I've chatted with high level players and they told me that all they do is prey on the weak, regardless of hwo little the trophy count is. At the end of the day, it's all about how powerful your army and village is. While trophy counts are nice and all, bragging rights can only go so far. Besides, once they high powered players have sucked the weak dry, build up their military, they can easily gain back those trophy. I am sure a fair matchmaking system can be done.

The people who are in favor of this are the same ones who farmed and preyed on weaker foes. Now that you have your military built up, you don't have much to complain.

How about creating more goblin matches. Since this new trophy system has made it impossible to get any resources I need a way of making more $$$. That or I am going to dump all my trophies so I can ♥♥♥♥ the ♥♥♥♥ out of newbies and steal their resources. I'm going to get my a$$ handed to me in every battle now. I have lost elixer and not gained anything. I'm sure I'll lose my defense so anything I obtain from my mines are going to be lost in getting attacked. While I understand the need for hte update, you really need to revamp how much gold and elixer you make. I can make 240K + a day, but when I will lose that much being attacked it makes it pointless to even have these things.

hey rauta am at lvl 26 and just now i got attacked by a lvl 56 his TH is at 9 and mine is 6...

he didnt full attack me he just send one troop and bail hes losing trophys on purpose but if he wanted too he could steal everything... the matchmaking system to me didnt work still based on trophy not in level range and its not fair at all.

serious what could i do against a lvl 56 30 levels above me. Revenge is not an option.

I think the biggest complainant right now are the people who's way over their "Natural Trophy Range". It's not about sacrificing your trophy just so you can win or get matches that suits you best, it's about finding your natural range and improve your base and troops so you can go further. It's pointless to try to hit 2000+ trophy when you're level 30. It's just plain impossible. Nomsayin?

The main objectives of a farmer: Farm, get stronger, reap all the benefits later. :)

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Originally Posted by Rauta

Well, if you are not strong enough to win a fair match in your current trophy range, then you can adjust your trophy amount to find matches that are closer to your village's strength. Like said in the original post, we didn't change the difficulty of the game but rather only the perceived difficulty changed because you are now offered matches that should be closer to your strength and thus more challenging.

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In other words, you are punishing strategic players who have risen to a high trophy amount at a lower level and encouraging us to not be ambitious, drop our trophy count by 300-400 and then finally have some fair fights.

I am lvl 46 with 1600 trophies and I am being farmed by lvl 53-62s and I have yet to find a fight I can win. I am going to HAVE to lower my trophy count, but I think that is a crappy way to reward good players. I've spent money on your game, about $20 US but I am not willing to put in more just to be thrashed by players that are higher level with the same amount of trophies as me. Seems like you are rewarding the players that can't get their act together and punishing those who work hard to get into their high trophy clan early.

Additionally, there is no way I can grow now!! I can't attack anyone without losing trophies, so then I can't earn Elixir or Gold because I can't win a fight! Sorry, but the gold mines will not provide enough to upgrade my town hall to level 8 on their own. Very one sided update. It only benefits high levels with lower trophies when you really think it through.

why not make it lvl/trophy range?

example lvl 30 player can only attack players on this range 25-35 and so on 5 levels below and 5 above your own could make it 10 below 10 above still a good match.

new matchmaking suckkkkkssssssssssss!!!

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Originally Posted by Knall

No the difference is that now when you have 1k trophies you get more people with (example) 950-1050 trophies instead of people with as low as 650 (again example) so that you can't farm those weak players AND advance because of it.

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I just got raided and lost over 100k in both Elix and Gold by someone with dragons and nearly 175 troop capacity. OF course they can still raid us for farming. The only saving grace is that I only lost 3 trophies even though my town was completely devastated.

Diego, get used to it. I"m a lvl 55 and I will be shedding trophies in order to obtain resources. Trophies mean squat to me. It's just a status symbol. I need resources to bill a bigger, stronger, town. In order to do that I need to maximize my efficiency. I refuse to shell out real $$$ so I will lower myself down and be the big bad guy. The emphasis is on Trophies and the developers aren't helping anyone gain resources better so you will be seeing a lot of high level, low trophy attackers. It's the nature of the beast.

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Originally Posted by leon0311

I agree with your statement. Of course I want my game to be rewarding and challenging. I guess what we are trying to say is that the higher level guys can easily exploit us just for resources. It's almost like keeping the rich richer, and the poor poorer. I've chatted with high level players and they told me that all they do is prey on the weak, regardless of hwo little the trophy count is. At the end of the day, it's all about how powerful your army and village is. While trophy counts are nice and all, bragging rights can only go so far. Besides, once they high powered players have sucked the weak dry, build up their military, they can easily gain back those trophy. I am sure a fair matchmaking system can be done.

The people who are in favor of this are the same ones who farmed and preyed on weaker foes. Now that you have your military built up, you don't have much to complain.

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If I remember rightly.... 2 months ago when I started.... I abused level 10's when I was a level 15 and so on until I was level 65. The difference now is that it's not worth my effort attacking a level 20 player but I'm not gonna start taking on level 70's until I can secure a victory and defend myself properly. No point attacking the big boys and getting on their revenge list if you can't handle the heat! The big fish eat the little fish at every stage of this game. Leave the big fish alone if they are harassing you.

everyone in this game has farmed on the weak to get resources in one way or another or no one would be able to advance in this game.

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Originally Posted by Diego

hey rauta am at lvl 26 and just now i got attacked by a lvl 56 his TH is at 9 and mine is 6...

he didnt full attack me he just send one troop and bail hes losing trophys on purpose but if he wanted too he could steal everything... the matchmaking system to me didnt work still based on trophy not in level range and its not fair at all.

serious what could i do against a lvl 56 30 levels above me. Revenge is not an option.

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Your level low to even feel the difference in the matchmaking. These people that has been attacking you dropped their trophies. But the odds of finding lower level TH has gone less compared to the previous. So, it's still unavoidable to occasionally hit lower levels but it's far better than the previous ones. I'm not sure you'll understand this explanation while you're too early in game. But that's the idea.

running out of resources.. cant maintain attacks, all bases have bottom scraping resources with too high defences.

the way i see it it goes from how much trophies you have, then the TH levels, then computes how much trophies you'd get from how upgraded the base is.

issues arouse from.. uhh everything? trophies doesn't show how strong you are it just shows how much you attacked other players, TH levels shows the limits on how strong you could get, then you base the how much trophies you get on how much the bases are upgraded.

matchings should check the TH level FIRST, THEN XP level, and THEN the number of trophies. Balance issues hangs on TH levels and building/unit upgrades(XP level) the only issue that would arise from it is from what kind of walls they have since it doesn't give any XP that it doesn't reflect on your level and (donating units that yields XP for no purpose at all other than it raises your level for no particular reason), THEN compute the trophy that they would get from how much trophies the players actually have.

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Originally Posted by theboy

In other words, you are punishing strategic players who have risen to a high trophy amount at a lower level and encouraging us to not be ambitious, drop our trophy count by 300-400 and then finally have some fair fights.

I am lvl 46 with 1600 trophies and I am being farmed by lvl 53-62s and I have yet to find a fight I can win. I am going to HAVE to lower my trophy count, but I think that is a crappy way to reward good players. I've spent money on your game, about $20 US but I am not willing to put in more just to be thrashed by players that are higher level with the same amount of trophies as me. Seems like you are rewarding the players that can't get their act together and punishing those who work hard to get into their high trophy clan early.

Additionally, there is no way I can grow now!! I can't attack anyone without losing trophies, so then I can't earn Elixir or Gold because I can't win a fight! Sorry, but the gold mines will not provide enough to upgrade my town hall to level 8 on their own. Very one sided update. It only benefits high levels with lower trophies when you really think it through.

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At your level, you can't push yourself from your limits. It's pointless. If you wanna "grow" upgrade your units and defense more. That's how you'll really "grow".

if the matchmaking is lvl ranged this nonsense battles wont happen. As someone said above hes 46 and getting att by 50-60 ok, but really am at lvl 26 and in this matchmaking process put me against a lvl 56 with TH9?.. that doesnt make any sense.

just logged into glass bored seems Bonbee are loving the new matchmaking system:) thanks devs:)

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Originally Posted by Macleod52

Diego, get used to it. I"m a lvl 55 and I will be shedding trophies in order to obtain resources. Trophies mean squat to me. It's just a status symbol. I need resources to bill a bigger, stronger, town. In order to do that I need to maximize my efficiency. I refuse to shell out real $$$ so I will lower myself down and be the big bad guy. The emphasis is on Trophies and the developers aren't helping anyone gain resources better so you will be seeing a lot of high level, low trophy attackers. It's the nature of the beast.

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See! I wasn't lying when I said this earlier. Honestly, that's the same thing I would do if I want to get resource and advance. Is he wrong? of course not! He is doing what it takes to get resources. Screw the trophy! What does it do? It gives you internet fame.. the only good thing that the trophies gave me was to get my 1250 and afford the 3rd builder.

I haven't played yet but correct me if i'm wrong we're back to he same matchmaking they changed before and we all complained about and they said they won't change it back? Only difference would be percentages of loot. so everyone's dropping cups again to farm?

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Originally Posted by Diego

hey rauta am at lvl 26 and just now i got attacked by a lvl 56 his TH is at 9 and mine is 6...

he didnt full attack me he just send one troop and bail hes losing trophys on purpose but if he wanted too he could steal everything... the matchmaking system to me didnt work still based on trophy not in level range and its not fair at all.

serious what could i do against a lvl 56 30 levels above me. Revenge is not an option.

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Nothing personal but it amazes me how many people even now don't grasp even the simplest aspects of the game. That th9 gets (would have to check current stats) 50% of optimal loot meaning if a th6 attacked and would get 60k in resources he would get only 30k. And when farming they are more interested in finding higher value for there troops. Unless you left your resources undefended. To be honest you were probably worth more as a trophy dump. The only time they would attack is of there were climbing from the hole and then it would be because they had the same trophy count. People complain that a bigger player attacked them. Well there are 2aspects of this game. Resources and trophies. Fighting people in the middle offers nothing. Either you want to be at the top (for trophies) or the bottom (for resources). The middle is just in the way for those trying to get to either end.

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Originally Posted by Smirnoff

If I remember rightly.... 2 months ago when I started.... I abused level 10's when I was a level 15 and so on until I was level 65. The difference now is that it's not worth my effort attacking a level 20 player but I'm not gonna start taking on level 70's until I can secure a victory and defend myself properly. No point attacking the big boys and getting on their revenge list if you can't handle the heat! The big fish eat the little fish at every stage of this game. Leave the big fish alone if they are harassing you.

everyone in this game has farmed on the weak to get resources in one way or another or no one would be able to advance in this game.

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Of course we do. I will be the first to admit that I've preyed on the weaker to get resources. The difference now is that the higher level characters have the distinct advantage over the lesser level ones. Ever since I joined this thread, I've been raided by someone way above me but with a close range trophy count. He still got over 100k gold and 80k elix from me. I'm sure he too didn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about trophy counts. It's all about the resources.

Overwhelmingly more people are loving the update than complaining. In my opinion, I have not seen any valid complaints since the update except for the minor bugs posted here.

To those people saying it's unfair, check and find your natural trophy range.

To those people saying they have been attacked by higher TH owners, those were the trophy droppers. The odds finding lower TH has decreased significantly. You will feel this effect in a few days for sure. Give it time.

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Originally Posted by Rauta

Well, if you are not strong enough to win a fair match in your current trophy range, then you can adjust your trophy amount to find matches that are closer to your village's strength. Like said in the original post, we didn't change the difficulty of the game but rather only the perceived difficulty changed because you are now offered matches that should be closer to your strength and thus more challenging.

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First, thank you for replying me.

What you are telling me to do is obscene. You suggest me to delibaratley lose trophies to win more and then when I get back to the same amount, its the same problem.. So.. whats the point ?

Now listen carefuly please, I m not saying that you changed the difficulty of the game but this problem still persist and with the halloween's update, its even worse. First, you increase gems prices in europe, then you increase upgrades prices... Are you gonna decrease something or what ?

Now I understand it's a business but common, is there no limits ? You are kindless with your customers it's aweful..

Sorry if my english is bad..not my native langage. I ll appreciate if you reply me.. Also ty for listening.

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

Overwhelmingly more people are loving the update than complaining. In my opinion, I have not seen any valid complaints since the update except for the minor bugs posted here.

To those people saying it's unfair, check and find your natural trophy range.

To those people saying they have been attacked by higher TH owners, those were the trophy droppers. The odds finding lower TH has decreased significantly. You will feel this effect in a few days for sure. Give it time.

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Pedro, in this community forum yes, I have seen more praises.

Go check FB, where the rest of the angry and disgruntled players are ♥♥♥♥♥ing and moaning.

Honestly, I will get over it and still play. I just wanted my voice to be heard. I don't expect to change anyone's mind, not even the devs. I am happy that I get to play this game, free of charge. Great time waster during my boring hours at work. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

Overwhelmingly more people are loving the update than complaining. In my opinion, I have not seen any valid complaints since the update except for the minor bugs posted here.

To those people saying it's unfair, check and find your natural trophy range.

To those people saying they have been attacked by higher TH owners, those were the trophy droppers. The odds finding lower TH has decreased significantly. You will feel this effect in a few days for sure. Give it time.

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Listen pedro, in a few words... Reach 2500 t and over and then come here to tell me that my complain isn't valid..

You just have no ideas what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Knall

Nothing personal but it amazes me how many people even now don't grasp even the simplest aspects of the game. That th9 gets (would have to check current stats) 50% of optimal loot meaning if a th6 attacked and would get 60k in resources he would get only 30k. And when farming they are more interested in finding higher value for there troops. Unless you left your resources undefended. To be honest you were probably worth more as a trophy dump. The only time they would attack is of there were climbing from the hole and then it would be because they had the same trophy count. People complain that a bigger player attacked them. Well there are 2aspects of this game. Resources and trophies. Fighting people in the middle offers nothing. Either you want to be at the top (for trophies) or the bottom (for resources). The middle is just in the way for those trying to get to either end.

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awww.. you seriously think that a TH6 could get through the defenses of a TH9 to get the "50% optimal loot".

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Originally Posted by Zakilluminati

Listen pedro, in a few words... Reach 2500 t and over and then come here to tell me that my complain isn't valid..

You just have no ideas what you are talking about.

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What's your level and bases defenses? Also, do you gem?

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Originally Posted by Zakilluminati

Listen pedro, in a few words... Reach 2500 t and over and then come here to tell me that my complain isn't valid..

You just have no ideas what you are talking about.

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It sounds like your more annoyed that you can't maintain +2500 trophy bragging rights post update. Similarl players in terms of level will also have this problem so you will all naturally adjust your trophy count together.

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Originally Posted by Rauta

Well, if you are not strong enough to win a fair match in your current trophy range, then you can adjust your trophy amount to find matches that are closer to your village's strength. Like said in the original post, we didn't change the difficulty of the game but rather only the perceived difficulty changed because you are now offered matches that should be closer to your strength and thus more challenging.

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I'm level 65, and normally sit at around 2,000 trophies. I haven't managed to get above 2,100 yet, and was getting hammered by up to 8 ( including cc) level 3 pekkas, and was unable to save, so I dropped to 1800 to protect resources. Since the update, I'm finding lots of very easy battles for 20 or 30 trophies, but very little loot. I've won on defense 4 times since the update, and am back around 2,000 again.
i hope the lack of loot is because a lot of people are online after the update, but I don't think that's the case.

Rauta, do you guys do any projections on the in-game economy, and the effects your changes will make? I'm pressing "next" a whole lot more than I was before the update.

lvl range match making would solve this problem, and would be fair for everyone this dropping trophys for farming "noobs" would be long gone. Isnt that what we wont a fair game for everyone, i dont care about trophys either but getting robbed by someone way more advanced then you sounds unfair.

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Originally Posted by Diego

lvl range match making would solve this problem, and would be fair for everyone this dropping trophys for farming "noobs" would be long gone. Isnt that what we wont a fair game for everyone, i dont care about trophys either but getting robbed by someone way more advanced then you sounds unfair.

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Keep beating that horse.

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

I think the biggest complainant right now are the people who's way over their "Natural Trophy Range". It's not about sacrificing your trophy just so you can win or get matches that suits you best, it's about finding your natural range and improve your base and troops so you can go further. It's pointless to try to hit 2000+ trophy when you're level 30. It's just plain impossible. Nomsayin?

The main objectives of a farmer: Farm, get stronger, reap all the benefits later. :)

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+1 on this point by Pedro. For those that are complaining, try to truly comprehend what this reply means. The people that are complaining are those that went way over their natural trophy range. I'm talking about those that kept upgrading their TH to 8 or 9, while neglecting to upgrade other important items. This game is all about BALANCE. You'll get crushed with this new update if you started chasing trophies too early. Be patient, upgrade your weak builldings/army, then watch your trophies go back up.

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Originally Posted by Diego

lvl range match making would solve this problem, and would be fair for everyone this dropping trophys for farming "noobs" would be long gone. Isnt that what we wont a fair game for everyone, i dont care about trophys either but getting robbed by someone way more advanced then you sounds unfair.

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Sir, have you been reading replies?

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Originally Posted by Diego

lvl range match making would solve this problem, and would be fair for everyone this dropping trophys for farming "noobs" would be long gone. Isnt that what we wont a fair game for everyone, i dont care about trophys either but getting robbed by someone way more advanced then you sounds unfair.

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I agree, why not match more by town hall level and not trophy level

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Originally Posted by Bamahawk

I agree, why not match more by town hall level and not trophy level

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Because town hall level matching was tried in beta and did not work. Town hall says little about how good your offense/defense is.

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Originally Posted by Bamahawk

I agree, why not match more by town hall level and not trophy level

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If you can get all the population here on Earth to play this game. This would be possible.

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Originally Posted by Diego

lvl range match making would solve this problem, and would be fair for everyone this dropping trophys for farming "noobs" would be long gone. Isnt that what we wont a fair game for everyone, i dont care about trophys either but getting robbed by someone way more advanced then you sounds unfair.

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Level-based match making system will never work because it will bring BACK the 'unable to find villages' problem.

cmon 10 below and 10 above your own? only the real top players would have this issue (unable to find) but it could work something out on the top levels, but still for the average players (1-70) would be the best option

This is a closed world economy that generate trophies from players battling in the sub 1000 range and generates resource from collectors.

everything else is market led. The market being me and you! The developers have a certain amount of control over the market by setting the rules but "we" ultimately govern the shape and nature of this closed world economy.

if all the level 60 players sat at 1200 trophies then level 50's and 40's would have to adjust.

The top end of the market... It is inefficient to gain trophies because of the cost of the army needed. At this stage you will need to gem or stay online permanently to advance.

All the devs have done is made changes to the rules.


the markets need to adjust.

ultimately it is you and me that are to blame if your not happy with not having anyone to attack with resources and not having anyone to attack that you can beat, because we choose who we attack by deciding what trophy range we are comfortable at.

well the "unable to find village" problem was not solved .... the fact that u get a spinning magnifying glass instead of the message doesnt make it fixed .... i still see that 10-12 seconds betwen matches.... how is that better?

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cmon 10 below and 10 above your own? only the real top players would have this issue (unable to find) but it could work something out on the top levels, but still for the average players (1-70) would be the best option

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Like I said, if you can get all the population here on earth to play this game. Your problems will be solved. And you are clearly ignoring all the reply made specifically for you explaining things. I guess it's better to just ignore you.

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Originally Posted by skodaru

well the "unable to find village" problem was not solved .... the fact that u get a spinning magnifying glass instead of the message doesnt make it fixed .... i still see that 10-12 seconds betwen matches.... how is that better?

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IMPROVED not totally GONE. Sometimes, the issue is because there are not enough players. Unless you can invite every human being to play Clash of Clans.

pedrolee am ignoring you.. since your replys intend to agree with this match system, so the point is lose your trophys and screw that farm some noobs and thats it.

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Originally Posted by Rauta

As you know, we introduced a much faster and more fluid matchmaking system with the Winter Update. We've received quite a few complaints that the new matchmaking has made the game more difficult. The game is now offering you opponents with trophy counts a lot closer to your own, which means that you have the potential to win a lot more trophies in one battle. This of course results in more challenging fights.

In fact, game difficulty hasn't changed. A match where you're able to win 30 trophies is just as challenging as a 30 trophy match was before. The difference is that now you're just seeing a lot more of 30 trophy matches, compared to matches offered by the old matchmaking system where you might win just three trophies. In other words, you don't have to smash ten low-level villages to get those 30 trophies any more. Any seriously competitive Clash of Clans player will appreciate the new challenge and the time they save!

If you've only been fighting low level players until now, you'll need to learn how to beat tougher opponents. The best way to do that is by bravely attacking and seeing what works and what doesn't! If you keep losing, then your trophy count was too high and you need to build a stronger village and upgrade your army. It's easier to bounce back than you think, and you'll have truly earned your new trophies after claiming them from real opponents. Having fair fights will result in a better gaming experience in the long run.

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If you want to get this system running correctly, you have to reset all trophys. I was attacked now several times by players who want to loose trophys, sending one barbarian and retreat...always the same... Now i gain 350 trophys by defending my village against people like this and i have to fight vs. high lvl players now. Just reset all trophys... You cant change a running system without a reset.

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

If you can get all the population here on Earth to play this game. This would be possible.

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There are 9 th levels. How many trophy levels? I think you have it the wrong way round, pedro.

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Originally Posted by dpclash

There are 9 th levels. How many trophy levels? I think you have it the wrong way round, pedro.

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The reply was implying that there aren't too many players at this point to get evenly with matchmaking. The real ideal matchmaking can't be possible at the moment due to lack of players.

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Originally Posted by dpclash

There are 9 th levels. How many trophy levels? I think you have it the wrong way round, pedro.

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Townhall-based system would never work because everyone will not upgrade their townhall in order to gain easy trophies. You wouldnt want to see someone with townhall level3 to top the chart with 4000 trophies, would you?

Th level matchplay would suck.
pedro, there are far more people with th9 than there are at 2000 trophies, so if the matchmaking was based on th level, there would be far more opponents available, not less.

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Originally Posted by dpclash

Th level matchplay would suck.
pedro, there are far more people with th9 than there are at 2000 trophies, so if the matchmaking was based on th level, there would be far more opponents available, not less.

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I believe, you're getting it the other way around. There aren't too many TH9 owners. And not all ranges have Th9 owners. You can't force yourself go a certain trophy range when your status isn't able to.

You really believe there are more people between 1990 and 2010 ( or 1950 and 2050) than there are with th9?

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Originally Posted by Rauta

As you know, we introduced a much faster and more fluid matchmaking system with the Winter Update. We've received quite a few complaints that the new matchmaking has made the game more difficult. The game is now offering you opponents with trophy counts a lot closer to your own, which means that you have the potential to win a lot more trophies in one battle. This of course results in more challenging fights.

In fact, game difficulty hasn't changed. A match where you're able to win 30 trophies is just as challenging as a 30 trophy match was before. The difference is that now you're just seeing a lot more of 30 trophy matches, compared to matches offered by the old matchmaking system where you might win just three trophies. In other words, you don't have to smash ten low-level villages to get those 30 trophies any more. Any seriously competitive Clash of Clans player will appreciate the new challenge and the time they save!

If you've only been fighting low level players until now, you'll need to learn how to beat tougher opponents. The best way to do that is by bravely attacking and seeing what works and what doesn't! If you keep losing, then your trophy count was too high and you need to build a stronger village and upgrade your army. It's easier to bounce back than you think, and you'll have truly earned your new trophies after claiming them from real opponents. Having fair fights will result in a better gaming experience in the long run.

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This is so wrong
First, we did not fight low levels opponents, some are higher levels than us, is just that our trophy are higher than them.
Second, if we keep losing our battle, how you expect we can get a sufficient resources to build a stronger village or army? without using any cash? If just depending on those elixir collector and gold mine, how long do u think it takes to acquire up to 4mil gold to upgrade a lv9 town hall?? Think logically, its almost impossible if we did not loots from others.

This update basically only give benefits to those whom are rich. If you guys wan me to drop my trophy to get better chance for resources, i can say that.. go to hell. I spent months to reach where i am and i will continue onward.

A word of advice, if u guys wanna make a real fair matchmaking, try add an advance search option for players choice. Or else, you guys can wait to be screwed.

if they couldn't find someone at the level range within TH range
then find someone at a lower TH with same level range
then find someone at a higher TH with same level range
then find someone at a lower level with same TH range
then find someone at a higher level with same TH range
else unable to find village to attack

and then you compute how much you earn/lose based on the trophies you both have
its not impossible, you just need to add more conditions

or better yet add another attack button that bases its targets on levels than trophies make it like a skirmish, having the same levels with little trophy gain and higher trophy loss, and a ranking battle, with higher levels with high trophy gain/loss

Ok ok ok. Just got home, logged in and I've been hit 5 times from 80+s. oh btw... I'm Lvl 39 with th7. Fair? Na.

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Ok ok ok. Just got home, logged in and I've been hit 5 times from 80+s. oh btw... I'm Lvl 39 with th7. Fair? Na.

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just cuz you r a big fish in your little pound
doesnt mean you ve won cuz
Along may come, a bigger one !

Big chances Jack, playing that low, you re not only gonna farm... but be farmed ;)

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Originally Posted by dpclash

You really believe there are more people between 1990 and 2010 ( or 1950 and 2050) than there are with th9?

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What? I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore.

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Originally Posted by royaldevilz

This is so wrong
First, we did not fight low levels opponents, some are higher levels than us, is just that our trophy are higher than them.
Second, if we keep losing our battle, how you expect we can get a sufficient resources to build a stronger village or army? without using any cash? If just depending on those elixir collector and gold mine, how long do u think it takes to acquire up to 4mil gold to upgrade a lv9 town hall?? Think logically, its almost impossible if we did not loots from others.

This update basically only give benefits to those whom are rich. A word of advice, if u guys wanna make a real fair matchmaking, try add an advance search option for players choice. Or else, you guys can wait to be screwed.

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It takes a few hours to acquire 4mil gold.

If you keep losing battles you have too many trophies. Lower them, upgrade and then go back up.

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

What's your level and bases defenses? Also, do you gem?

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I m level 66,
-3 mortars 5,
-3 cannon 11, 1 cannon 10 going to 11,
-3 wizard towers 4 going to 5 now,
-3 archer towers 8, 1 level 7 going to 8 and 1 at level 7.
-2 tesla level 2, 2 other level 3
-3 air defense level 3
And xbow

I m not geming anymore and I won't give money to supercell, they don't use it like they should.

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Originally Posted by Zakilluminati

I m level 66,
-3 mortars 5,
-3 cannon 11, 1 cannon 10 going to 11,
-3 wizard towers 4 going to 5 now,
-3 archer towers 8, 1 level 7 going to 8 and 1 at level 7.
-2 tesla level 2, 2 other level 3
-3 air defense level 3
And xbow

I m not geming anymore and I won't give money to supercell, they don't use it like they should.

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LOL you have a level 9 townhall and defenses that are that weak? Well, there's your problem. Why on earth you upgrade to th lv9 with all of those low level defenses?

IF u guys wan this game continue to be alive. PLEASE listen to the major feedback and opinion from players. Not only in this forum, but also in facebook! IF you guys just following your own right, THEN SO BE IT!

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Originally Posted by royaldevilz

This is so wrong
First, we did not fight low levels opponents, some are higher levels than us, is just that our trophy are higher than them.
Second, if we keep losing our battle, how you expect we can get a sufficient resources to build a stronger village or army? without using any cash? If just depending on those elixir collector and gold mine, how long do u think it takes to acquire up to 4mil gold to upgrade a lv9 town hall?? Think logically, its almost impossible if we did not loots from others.

This update basically only give benefits to those whom are rich. If you guys wan me to drop my trophy to get better chance for resources, i can say that.. go to hell. I spent months to reach where i am and i will continue onward.

A word of advice, if u guys wanna make a real fair matchmaking, try add an advance search option for players choice. Or else, you guys can wait to be screwed.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

LOL you have a level 9 townhall and defenses that are that weak? Well, there's your problem. Why on earth you upgrade to th lv9 with all of those low level defenses?

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Because i was atked by strong players with max upgraded units, i had to get the x bow and tesla !

The difficulty of battles has swung far too much the other way. Those who say farming lower levels was useful are quite right and whereas in the past I have bought gems to move things on and top up my savings I will absolutely not be doing now as the game has clearly been altered in a way to make buying gems an absolute necessity rather than a nice to do.
you have spoilt what was a really fun game that I told everyone about.

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Originally Posted by royaldevilz

IF u guys wan this game continue to be alive. PLEASE listen to the major feedback and opinion from players. Not only in this forum, but also in facebook! IF you guys just following your own right, THEN SO BE IT!

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There are many players, some are eternal, some aren't, money isn't : this game is going to lose a considerable number of players. And I'll be the first.

Well it seems some have had a ♥♥♥♥ty day since the update? Mines be awesome! I used to farm at 0 trophies but have started to stay a bit above, and with today being my day off I've prob looted over 3 mil in a few hours, all bases I've found have been 100k+ and most with low lv walls....if any.

Im having no complaints with this new system! Keep it up. I'm TH lv7, lv45

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Because i was atked by strong players with max upgraded units, i had to get the x bow and tesla !

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The xbow and tesla isn't your problem. It's all of those low level defenses. You've got a level 9 th with the defenses of a level 6-7 one.

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Originally Posted by Silk

The difficulty of battles has swung far too much the other way. Those who say farming lower levels was useful are quite right and whereas in the past I have bought gems to move things on and top up my savings I will absolutely not be doing now as the game has clearly been altered in a way to make buying gems an absolute necessity rather than a nice to do.
you have spoilt what was a really fun game that I told everyone about.

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Worst of it : they just don't give a F:mad::mad::mad:.

its simple and resoanable, match should be lvl range/trophys could be by th too but in this order first matchup by lvl range then around your trophy.

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Originally Posted by Diego

its simple and resoanable, match should be lvl range/trophys could be by th too but in this order first matchup by lvl range then around your trophy.

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It's super simple and reasonable to justify anything if you keep ignoring the reasons why it shouldn't be done.

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Originally Posted by Zakilluminati

I m level 66,
-3 mortars 5,
-3 cannon 11, 1 cannon 10 going to 11,
-3 wizard towers 4 going to 5 now,
-3 archer towers 8, 1 level 7 going to 8 and 1 at level 7.
-2 tesla level 2, 2 other level 3
-3 air defense level 3
And xbow

I m not geming anymore and I won't give money to supercell, they don't use it like they should.

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Exactly. It's simply not enough to withstand your trophy range. Unless you wanna compete with Gems. You're very close on the Gemmer's lounge and quite frankly, you can't expect more if you can't keep up with money. Either you keep spending or you lose. That's the gist of the game.

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Originally Posted by aedion

if they couldn't find someone at the level range within TH range
then find someone at a lower TH with same level range
then find someone at a higher TH with same level range
then find someone at a lower level with same TH range
then find someone at a higher level with same TH range
else unable to find village to attack

and then you compute how much you earn/lose based on the trophies you both have
its not impossible, you just need to add more conditions

or better yet add another attack button that bases its targets on levels than trophies make it like a skirmish, having the same levels with little trophy gain and higher trophy loss, and a ranking battle, with higher levels with high trophy gain/loss

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see should be like this or something close to this, good idea it is possible to do this, and would be fair.

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Originally Posted by stardom

new matchmaking suckkkkkssssssssssss!!!

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Indeed i agree with you it dies totally suck COC u needa improve or I quit this money taking game
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soooo this is my big issue - it's been discussed elsewhere in other threads....

The match balance is wrong as it's way to easy to win now:

It's possible to destroy the clan castle with all defenders with one santa spell - that is really bad
With the extra camp space it's much easier to overpower a base

Thoughts?

i spent all gold on the next button, lv 7th, lots of loot last night, and none after this morning, maximum loot i can find is 50k each.... game sucks again...

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i spent all gold on the next button, lv 7th, lots of loot last night, and none after this morning, maximum loot i can find is 50k each.... game sucks again...

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pretty much turning this this game into farmville waiting for mines and collectors to do its thing investing everything before your shield runs out cycle with no point in attacking and raising trophies

I like the new matching... hasn't seemed to really effect how much gold I am able to get but I do find matches faster. I also feel like I'm not getting attacked as much so that's kinda nice...

the finding match is really smooth right now, but the matches that i find does not have as much resource as before anymore...

Here's my biggest thing;

I like the new match making but as it should be people can't/don't hoard resources because they can be farmed.

One benefit is when I am looking to increase my trophies I will not have to do it 3 trophies an attack.

With that said some thing needs to be added to cover the expense of the attacks; personally I don't mind spending money on gems but not to just attack people. That's not practical.

If there was an added cap to the resources say 50k guaranteed per attack; plus what ever resources they player may have.

Example:
Find a match;
25k elixer
25k gold
System adds 50k each
Loot now becomes
75k each

Same scenario but with clause
Find a match
55k elixer
55k gold
System does not add in any because we're over the 50k cap
55k elixer
55k gold
Available

Either that or double the pumps/mines so that they can pay for the cost of an attack.obviously with out the boost because even with it my troops are building faster than the gold needed to find an attack.

Earlier i went broke looking for an attack and didn't find one and ended up losing resources.

I am a fan of finding that natural trophy level but I can't because I can't attack. I am currently bouncing around 1800 trophies and seeing very little profit.

So my main delema is covering cost of attacks. I get that upgrading will be harder and finding those villas that someone is hoarding is harder. Though unfortunately I will not find any because of the returns.

Just my two sense,
Flopdogg

Well this is obviously not working I have just gained 64 trophies from 2 players level 64 and 70 who both placed 1 troop and quit so they lower their trophy count and attack better targets with lower trophy counts.

i am now back into the position of matches where my trophy levels too high and can't possibly fight them, it's broke updates screwed match system.

if this continues players are going to quit constantly

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Well this is obviously not working I have just gained 64 trophies from 2 players level 64 and 70 who both placed 1 troop and quit so they lower their trophy count and attack better targets with lower trophy counts.

i am now back into the position of matches where my trophy levels too high and can't possibly fight them, it's broke updates screwed match system.

if this continues players are going to quit constantly

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Wayneo, I hear what you're saying. However, this update just happened. You have to let the new system "settle" so everyone finds their "natural trophy level". It may take a few weeks (just my guess), but things will get better in the long run. Be patient.

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Wayneo, I hear what you're saying. However, this update just happened. You have to let the new system "settle" so everyone finds their "natural trophy level". It may take a few weeks (just my guess), but things will get better in the long run. Be patient.

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Dont be so daft, yes I know updates just happened but it's made playing a nightmare if high levels are going to dump trophies onto players 20 levels lower then raid hem for resources most won't be here in a few days never mind a few weeks

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Dont be so daft, yes I know updates just happened but it's made playing a nightmare if high levels are going to dump trophies onto players 20 levels lower then raid hem for resources most won't be here in a few days never mind a few weeks

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To make your playing experience better right now, it might benefit you to employ the same tactics as those dropping one troop and quitting to lower your trophy count now. If you don't want to do that, you can always wait it out. My guess is that you won't have to in a few weeks as most everyone would've found their natural range. It's as simple as that.

A change of tactics always comes with updates. it may take a day or so to figure out how to get back into your groove :)

For those that are raging ill remind you to Re-read our forum rules.
warm regards

sneaky.

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Originally Posted by sneakymaori

A change of tactics always comes with updates. it may take a day or so to figure out how to get back into your groove :)

For those that are raging ill remind you to Re-read our forum rules.
warm regards

sneaky.

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Wow what an arrogant reply to genuine user feedback. If people are raging its because they love this beautiful game and you have ruined it.


Ignore your CUSTOMERS at your own peril

why would you try to balance a game based on trophy counts? They are just an arbitrary measure of success that will always balance themselves anyway based on the parameters of the game.

While I appreciate what the devs tried to do, sadly the new update has, at least for the moment, crippled the in game economy. Currently it's not affordable to sustain attacking. The resources you spend building an army and searching for a target outweigh the cost of what you can attain from attacking

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Originally Posted by Rauta

Well, if you are not strong enough to win a fair match in your current trophy range, then you can adjust your trophy amount to find matches that are closer to your village's strength. Like said in the original post, we didn't change the difficulty of the game but rather only the perceived difficulty changed because you are now offered matches that should be closer to your strength and thus more challenging.

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I thought the whole problem with match making was :
1) that you got matched with players ranking way out of your league.. Up or down.
2) that lots of strong players dropped in trophys on purpose to loot much easier players.

So on the first one, i'm now getting matched with ONLY players that are way out of my league.. Simply because i'm matched with only players 20-30 levels above me, with no chance in hell to beat them in fight..
- Maybe i have just been too good at the game, but should i be punished now for playing better than others at my level ?


Now on the second one.. You tell that solution is to drop in trophys, Right ?
- So now if i drop in trophys i'll be just part of the problem wont i, causs now i'll be attacking the easy villages for getting easy loot.. So how does this solve the problem with high players attacking only weak players.. I Can only see that this makes it worse, with much more players doping trophys on purpose ?


Last in regards to this.. Youve narroved match making, so we now can winn more trophys each fight, instead just 1-3 trophys each time... But if we have to drop in trophys anyways to get those fights, then whats the point ?
I mean, if i need to drop 2-400 trophies, then i dont want to win more trophys in fights because it will not make any sence, as i will just have to loose them again anyways, on purpose, so i can stay and loot the low players..
- with no reason left to earn trophys, since you actually get penalised for having too manny now, please tell me then the reason to play ?
..is it to loot recourses from low lv. Players.. And if so, for what purpose, causs before i usted recourses to be able to gain