New matchmaking and game difficulty

I've been playing for a few weeks after getting the hang of things - I joined a clan that prided itself on NOT farming, matter of fact they discourage it and if I do it I will get the boot. I've manage to slowly rise up to the 1700ish range in cups - I'm a TH 7 and a day away from TH8 which I thought would allow me to slowly start to improve and move up some more in cups.

However with this new matchmaking I scrolled through 30+ match options and found ONE TH7 like myself to go against. And even the TH8 and TH9 maps had almost no resources to speak of. I usually take 30-50k of elixar per attack - finding even that much in the searching was rare.

So I am being penalized because I don't farm and have moved up by slowly taking 3-5 cup matches and having a decent defense where I won more than lost?

What bothers me more than anything is that I'm going to have to leave my clan if farming is the only way to get the resources to, say, get lvl 5 archers which are a must in my opinion when facing LVL 8 TH's with 3 tesla's, etc.

Sounds like I get to learn the art of giving away cups for a while which seems completley against the priciples of the game - farmers should be punished - not rewarded for playing way under their ability.

Might i suguest.. If this match making system Can only be made on one parameter, that you choose People's levels instead.. Heck, then at least levels vil be usefull for something in this game.. Hé hé. ;-)

Match making will never be 100% fair, and propably shouldnt even be so eighter, because you need to sometimes get an easy fight, just as much as you sometimes need to take hard fights.. To make the game stay exiting and fun.

But basing it on level instead will have two big advantages, compared to based on trophy..
- firstly you will get an advantage for being good at the tactics of the game.. So if your amongst best at your levels range, you'll propably winn more fights than those terrible at the game, in same level range.. But isnt this really how it should be ?

- Secondly.. You can stop the high players from going down to attacking the newbies.. Because you Can not go down in level to do this..


Actually you would have one other major advantage in this.. Kind of what i think that you have been trying for in your latest update.. Namely that this will also stop people from advancing too fast beyond what their city/troops are build for, because you will quite naturally get to a level range at some point where you can not winn without being on top with your upgrades.. And When you get there, nothing else to do than stay at the level untill you are strong enough to move further up..
- and only way for this will be to upgrade.. And bett a lot will be using gems for this, so better for your businness aswell ;-)

Anyways.. Just my two cents :-)

Cheers for the effort you guys put in to make this game available to us. It irritates me to see spoilt children abusing you guys about minor issues when they have no idea on the hours and real money it takes to make and maintain a game like this.

I can fully understand the point you make about the game not being harder just fairer. The issue I and my clannies are having is that to win the 30t battles that dominate what is on offer, we need to be using expensive high level troops. More often than not the resource reward from winning one of these battles is less than the cost of raising the army it takes to win. This results in people running out of elixir to make their next army and being forced to stop play till their pumps catch up. Obviously stopping play is not ideal from anyone's standpoint.

A few suggestions of the top of my head:

Increase elixir/gold production rates to provide more resource. (My pick)
Or reduce the cost of units and upgrades.

Again thanks for the effort, time and stress you guys invest so we can play your great and very addicting game.

Ohh.. Just one comment to my last post...

One thing that would make match making by level unfair, is that you have been giving xp for donating troops..
So Heavy donaters may have gained extra 5-10 levels just from donating.. Compared to people not donating..

This should offcaurse be evened out if basing on level, so xp from donated troops are deducted first ;-)

The game now quickly becomes a resource hog. I'm playing at 1800 trophies, and to get a more plausible victory, i have to spend at least 100k elixir in troops + gold in magic potions. But look, even spending a lot in improving my units to be able to attack so i can evolve faster, i can ONLY find villages with 3k overall loot - but the throphies are all good, you say!!! Yes, but the game focus is not ALL ABOUT trophies, it's about improving your village while you earn them.

I already asked Apple to refund all my purchases this month, summing up to about $70,00 worth in gems. If they listen to my claims, i hope they will refund ALL the money i already spent in 3 months playing, that's now useless (about $ 150 cash).

I HAD to spend this gems to evolve my troops, because the resource system you implemented is clearly forcing people into buying stuff to be able to keep playing. I can never harvest more resources than people can raid between active shields so i can pay 2.25 mil in labs to improve troops or raising my defences. Its usually: you collect 150k in a 12 hours period, you got an attack that steal 140k, so no real net gain for you. Then you have to spend another 90k in troops to only find 3k resources villages. So i always have to play with low resources.

And before you say: I'm NOT dropping trophies to farm, since i see this as a cheesy strategy. Good players should be able to improve AND gain trophies at the same time. I had invested a lot into reaching 1800, so why NOW you tell me that's not the range i should be playing with?

This update is a very bad move from you guys. You really disapointed me this time.

PS: Oh, and i forgot to tell you... since the update, i'm only facing villages about 15 levels ABOVE mine, with TH lv 9 and xbows... and i already had some high level attackers just drop a barb in my village and quit to lose to me, something i never saw before... so everyone now is seeming to deliberately dropping their trophies to be able to play again. Broken system isn't it?

So you're saying the only way I can get resources is to drop my tp? I'm level 66 and I usually hover around 1980-2080tp. Where exactly should I drop to? I have a pretty decent defense. But this game is going to get boring really fast if all I'm getting matched with is all black walls and th9's. Which are matches I know I will not win.

I have spent a ridiculous amount of my time on this game, and now you're telling me the only way I can keep playing is if I drop my tp or just spend a ♥♥♥♥ load of money. This update feels like a very big f u from supercell to the people who don't spend a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by madLEGOman

why would you try to balance a game based on trophy counts? They are just an arbitrary measure of success that will always balance themselves anyway based on the parameters of the game.

While I appreciate what the devs tried to do, sadly the new update has, at least for the moment, crippled the in game economy. Currently it's not affordable to sustain attacking. The resources you spend building an army and searching for a target outweigh the cost of what you can attain from attacking

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+1

the forum wont let me post less than 10 characters.

anyway. just because people built their bases to be capable of winning a high level battle doesn't necessarily mean tat they'd want to do it constantly. its like having a ultra high risk no reward situation which no one would enjoy. theres a flaw in comparing 10 lower level attacks with 1 big one and its the amount of resources they hold and may gather. people cycle through attacking for resources with people closer to their levels and some attacking for trophies or even both which ever is more rewarding for the time they trained their units. the matchmaking now takes away players choice and forces players to play for trophies which would only suit the high level players now.

to those who doesn't seem to understand there were freedom in playstyles before that some people focused and build their bases around especially with nongemmers since you could never balance out your base without taking a significant amount of time and bursts in level(keeping it low to reduce the hit on trophies), so there would be those who focuses on their defense with crappy camps and barracks and those on offense with crappy mortars and cannons.

this is a game, who would want to lose if you could... not lose.. and maintain whatever trophy you have. i'd feel better if people attacked me and won legit than being forced to fight a losing battle just to balance it out. anyway my point is that players had a choice.

the only problem back then was that high level players loopholed the trophy system and trophied down to bully newbs and were ♥♥♥♥♥♥edly proud of it. if you could only keep the freedom in the previous version while keeping highlevel players from overreaching to levels waay below theirs the game would significantly better.

its like having a 99 knight hitting a poring that gives nothing to gain at all(this metaphor kept popping into my head)

hope this issue gets worked out soon.

This update will hurt the sub TH 8-9 clans, its very difficult to get resources now. All of us that didn't make the pre-holiday upgrade cut must now alter our strategy. Makes more sense now to just sacrifice a ton of trophy's to keep the count as close to 0 as possible. I'm just going to place my TH outside the walls so every attack drops my count. I'll keep it that way for a few months...maybe when the annoying snow stops I'll have updated all my stuff.

The variety of levels you could see on attack mode was more desirable. My complaint was that far more advanced clans would get 40 trophies for destroying my clan yet I would only win 3 for beating a lower level clan...something wasn't scaling correctly.

I'm less interested in playing now. sucks, used to love this game.

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Originally Posted by Rauta

As you know, we introduced a much faster and more fluid matchmaking system with the Winter Update. We've received quite a few complaints that the new matchmaking has made the game more difficult. The game is now offering you opponents with trophy counts a lot closer to your own, which means that you have the potential to win a lot more trophies in one battle. This of course results in more challenging fights.

In fact, game difficulty hasn't changed. A match where you're able to win 30 trophies is just as challenging as a 30 trophy match was before. The difference is that now you're just seeing a lot more of 30 trophy matches, compared to matches offered by the old matchmaking system where you might win just three trophies. In other words, you don't have to smash ten low-level villages to get those 30 trophies any more. Any seriously competitive Clash of Clans player will appreciate the new challenge and the time they save!

If you've only been fighting low level players until now, you'll need to learn how to beat tougher opponents. The best way to do that is by bravely attacking and seeing what works and what doesn't! If you keep losing, then your trophy count was too high and you need to build a stronger village and upgrade your army. It's easier to bounce back than you think, and you'll have truly earned your new trophies after claiming them from real opponents. Having fair fights will result in a better gaming experience in the long run.

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To keep things short, I really do like the idea of the patch. My huge problem is that I am having an EXTREMELY hard time finding bases with enough resources that I can actually progress from.


Trophies are cool, but we need resources to advance ourselves. Resources are extremely difficult to come by, and are just not available in high enough quantities. The whole gaining / spending resource system in this game is REALLY out of whack. Things are just way too expensive for how much you gain and how fast you gain.

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Originally Posted by aedion

+1

the forum wont let me post less than 10 characters.

anyway. just because people built their bases to be capable of winning a high level battle doesn't necessarily mean tat they'd want to do it constantly. its like having a ultra high risk no reward situation which no one would enjoy. theres a flaw in comparing 10 lower level attacks with 1 big one and its the amount of resources they hold and may gather. people cycle through attacking for resources with people closer to their levels and some attacking for trophies or even both which ever is more rewarding for the time they trained their units. the matchmaking now takes away players choice and forces players to play for trophies which would only suit the high level players now.

to those who doesn't seem to understand there were freedom in playstyles before that some people focused and build their bases around especially with nongemmers since you could never balance out your base without taking a significant amount of time and bursts in level(keeping it low to reduce the hit on trophies), so there would be those who focuses on their defense with crappy camps and barracks and those on offense with crappy mortars and cannons.

this is a game, who would want to lose if you could... not lose.. and maintain whatever trophy you have. i'd feel better if people attacked me and won legit than being forced to fight a losing battle just to balance it out. anyway my point is that players had a choice.

the only problem back then was that high level players loopholed the trophy system and trophied down to bully newbs and were ♥♥♥♥♥♥edly proud of it. if you could only keep the freedom in the previous version while keeping highlevel players from overreaching to levels waay below theirs the game would significantly better.

its like having a 99 knight hitting a poring that gives nothing to gain at all(this metaphor kept popping into my head)

hope this issue gets worked out soon.

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Better for you.

You talk about freedom of play styles in one sentence and in another you want them to eliminate the only means of real resource gathering (there is no other way to pay for the high level upgrades without gemming) and yet also you want them to permit a loophole that lets low level people sabotage the ranking system by allowing them to grow their trophies without having the upgrades to support them.

Your post is so amazingly contradictory and hypocritical that it's enough to make my head explode.