Forum Project: 'Sneak peek proposal'

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

Don't gain anything? You gain trophies. Don't care about trophies? That's okay. You still got the benefit of not having to reset your traps, so nothing is lost.

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You don't reward people by not having to pay something. That's more status quo.

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

How about this--The loot resets every season, but once a level is beaten, it stays unlocked. That would be awesome.

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I see what you're saying, but I also created an achievement where the goal was to do the seasonal one multiple times, then that needs to be revisited as well.

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

Certainly. These bouncing back and forth of points is very productive... As long as Super Cell listens, and acts on the suggestions that make sense. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what we say. It's still up to them to make it happen.

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You can lead a horse to the water, but can't make the horse drink it.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Sorry but don't agree with most of it

• Hounds are already being used in three starring maxed bases and do not need a buff.
• Queen has a large range but operates with same ai as archer, fixing this requires more work than sc is willing to put in but they might fix it one day.
• SC don't want players attacking in single player too much so very little chance of more goblin maps happening.
• No chance of lower spell time, the only people that need all spells to attack are the guys at the very top, who would gem it anyway for more cash for SC, the rest of us need to conserve spell usage.
• Healers healing more than one group would make it OP at lower levels, the reason why its not used at higher levels is all the mines and AD not its healing capabilities.
• Wars should not take skill into account, that defeats the purpose as clans should be matched with people of equal strength and the better player should win (Skill is what decides the outcome, not the matchmaking) and is easily manipulated. The members in a clan also change so its not feasible.

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1. Hounds are being used to 2* bases. They can 3* bases as well, just like GoWiPe and GoWiWi. That's not too often. You're only counting the victories, but I have seen a lot of hound fails as well. More fails than wins. It does not seem fair to me that a hound which is targetted by the AD has the same ho as a golem which is not targetted by the AD. A health increase just means that they can survive one more hit from an AD, nothing morez
2. The Archer Queen still starts bashing random walls, whether or not SC wants to put work in it is a question we can ask about every part of this proposal.
3. I don't know where you got the basis from. The fact those maps are there indicates to me that Supercell likes them being there. It seems like something that has yet to reach its potential.
4. Whenever you GoWiPe or GoWiWi in wars, you use 4-5 spells. That's about 3 hours. Boosted it is x4. Which is around 45 minutes. Maxed royals have a 2 hour sleep period and an army takes 1h15m to cook if you spread your barracks properly. That means there is a huge difference in time. On top of that, you can't even qeue spells. You only conserve spell usage while farming, not while pushing or when you push.
5. Whether or not it heals more or less, the healers are simply not used at higher levels due to the army space and the bombs. A healer healing more could be beneficial for lower townhalls, but definitely not overpowered.
6. Once again, that part is under review. However, as you go up higher in base ranks you get matched with high level clans, clans that only level other high level bases at high cup levels. They use GoWiPe and GoWiWi like we use barch. A war is just 2 attacks for which they don't get cups, other clans (farming oriented) make those armies specifically for war and are not used to them. Yes you can improve by pushing or using them in regular gameplay. It would just be beneficial to take something in account, maybe even the total cuplevel of a clan, as higher cups means higher usage of huge and heavy armies. Those are just ideas I throw out, I can't wait for someone to come up with a solution and not a repetition of the issue.

Thank you for contributing!

King Midas
Insurgence Family

I agree with all except increasing lava hound dps they are meant to tank so health increase makes sense. I really like the new achievements youve thought of. Goblin campaign should reset every month not season imo. The war thing i don't like though. Same for the healers tbh

1. The point of hounds is to tank, not take out air defenses. I dont think they need a boost as the 4 hound strategy 3 stars th9s and the normal lavaloonion can 3 star th10. If anything should be boosted it is the lava pups.

2. Yes, we need to get loot from winning defenses.

3. Reset every month, not season.

4. Idk

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

1. Hounds are being used to 2* bases. They can 3* bases as well, just like GoWiPe and GoWiWi. That's not too often. You're only counting the victories, but I have seen a lot of hound fails as well. More fails than wins. It does not seem fair to me that a hound which is targetted by the AD has the same ho as a golem which is not targetted by the AD. A health increase just means that they can survive one more hit from an AD, nothing morez
3. I don't know where you got the basis from. The fact those maps are there indicates to me that Supercell likes them being there. It seems like something that has yet to reach its potential.

6. Once again, that part is under review. However, as you go up higher in base ranks you get matched with high level clans, clans that only level other high level bases at high cup levels. They use GoWiPe and GoWiWi like we use barch. A war is just 2 attacks for which they don't get cups, other clans (farming oriented) make those armies specifically for war and are not used to them. Yes you can improve by pushing or using them in regular gameplay. It would just be beneficial to take something in account, maybe even the total cuplevel of a clan, as higher cups means higher usage of huge and heavy armies. Those are just ideas I throw out, I can't wait for someone to come up with a solution and not a repetition of the issue.

Thank you for contributing!

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Something which is already being used for high level gameplay for three stars has very little chance of getting an additional buff, you cant really look at failures as when I was a th9 I had a maxed gowipe with lvl30 heroes fail, does that mean that gowipe needs a buff or that the attacker wasn't using it to its potential of three stars?

About no more single-player missions, a mod or staff had commented on it before but I wouldn't be able to find the reference. They are there to enhance gameplay a bit, but its not intended to be a significant source of income or anything, having one temporary level depending on your th each season would be nice though.

Also about wars, skill is what is being measured to decide the outcome, using it in matchmaking ruins that. Its absurd that clans which are good at wars shouldn't be the ones to win the most wars, which is what will happen if you try to incorporate skill into matchmaking.

Its nice debating on the forums without hostility :)

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

You don't reward people by not having to pay something. That's more status quo.

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You wanted a defensive bonus. Reloading traps on a successful defense would be just that...

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

You can lead a horse to the water, but can't make the horse drink it.

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You don't have to make him drink. Just make him thirsty. ;)

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Originally Posted by BlargityTucker

I agree with all except increasing lava hound dps they are meant to tank so health increase makes sense. I really like the new achievements youve thought of. Goblin campaign should reset every month not season imo. The war thing i don't like though. Same for the healers tbh

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Yeah, I think you're right. I'll take out the extra dps as others mentioned it as well. I'm still convinced the goblin campaign maps should be seasonly and now that I started thinking about the healer, I don't think it would be too beneficial.

Regarding the war, yes but the matchmaking already gets manipulated by clans staying on a certain member count to get 30v30 matchups. It should be balanced. We had times where we destroyed all the clans with us having 70+ and them not hitting double digits. Now we have lost the last 8 wars as we got matched against top50 clans...

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Originally Posted by Furgle

1. The point of hounds is to tank, not take out air defenses. I dont think they need a boost as the 4 hound strategy 3 stars th9s and the normal lavaloonion can 3 star th10. If anything should be boosted it is the lava pups.

2. Yes, we need to get loot from winning defenses.

3. Reset every month, not season.

4. Idk

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If the dps would be increased, the pups would also be buffed. However, the main goal is to get a health increase. If we reset it monthly, the achievement will be very hard to get. I prefer reducing the loot gained even more so you get the same amount of loot if you do it twice (seasonly) as if you would do it once (monthly).

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Something which is already being used for high level gameplay for three stars has very little chance of getting an additional buff, you cant really look at failures as when I was a th9 I had a maxed gowipe with lvl30 heroes fail, does that mean that gowipe needs a buff or that the attacker wasn't using it to its potential of three stars?

About no more single-player missions, a mod or staff had commented on it before but I wouldn't be able to find the reference. They are there to enhance gameplay a bit, but its not intended to be a significant source of income or anything, having one temporary level depending on your th each season would be nice though.

Also about wars, skill is what is being measured to decide the outcome, using it in matchmaking ruins that. Its absurd that clans which are good at wars shouldn't be the ones to win the most wars, which is what will happen if you try to incorporate skill into matchmaking.

Its nice debating on the forums without hostility :)

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Fair point regarding the extra buff, but I still think they have one of the heaviest defences against them which the golems don't. A health increase which would allow them to survive one more AD hit will make up for that and not outbalance the game, but I do understand where you are coming from. (GoWiPe was also a 3* army when they introduced lvl 5 pekka's eh).

I trust you on your word, no need to go on a witch hunt to findthat comment! I do think if goblin maps are used to their potential, they can be a a huge addition to the game (aside of regular and war gameplay, more singleplayer gameplay) and that this could be a way to inject loot in the system (just like war does, but barely enough as you need expensive armies). I just thought of a Dr. Terror kind of base like in Boom Beach, which would increase the difficulty and the achievement could be redone into highest level achiever or something.

There is a difference between the way clans work. Some farm most of the time, others push. The ones that push have a great advantage over the ones that do not push (often). A potential alternative is taking into account the average war stars of all the members whom are going to war? I would like your thoughts on that one.

Sorry if I came over offensive regarding the skills, was not intended that way but others have brought it up as well. We have destroyed others in clan wars for a long streak, and then all of a sudden we are now the ones getting bashed while our members are the exact same. Hence why I am still convinced of doing something like that :)! Indeed, I love debating, discussing and even a little arguing on matters like these.

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

You wanted a defensive bonus. Reloading traps on a successful defense would be just that...

You don't have to make him drink. Just make him thirsty. ;)

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The main goal of people putting their TH in isn't achieved. They just put it outside, get sniped, have a shield for 12 hours and carry on. You only give them back what they lost. If they won twice on defense in a night, are you giving them a double reloading traps bonus? That's not going to work as you only need one. On top, giving a certain amount of resources gives the opportunity for people to spend it elsewhere as I know a lot of farmers whom keep their traps completely unarmed as it cuts in their resources generated.
I am trying to make the horse thirsty with this thread :)

Thank you all for responding! I will edit the original post!

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

Lava hounds were never meant to take out air defenses. They simply go toward them, to get to the center of the base, in order to distract the defenses long enough, for your other troops to do the same.

I do like the idea of defensive rewards. However, instead of loot, I would simply prefer for a successful defense to reset my traps and reload defensive ammo, automatically, at no charge.

It takes more than two weeks for most people to finish the goblin missions. Resetting them every season would mean that most people would never see the end.

War wins do not, nor should not, count in war matchmaking. Otherwise, a clan could simply disband and reform every so often, to avoid the clans with a lot of wins. In other words, it's too easily manipulated.

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I agree with you:cool:

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Originally Posted by DarkHero

I agree with you:cool:

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Would you be so kind to let me know what you think of my response on his points? :) Always love some new input.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

There is a difference between the way clans work. Some farm most of the time, others push. The ones that push have a great advantage over the ones that do not push (often). A potential alternative is taking into account the average war stars of all the members whom are going to war? I would like your thoughts on that one.
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My point is that clans that push and have an advantage should have an advantage. The factor that is constant is supposed to be the base levels, and the factor that decides the outcome is how skilled the attackers are and how good the layouts are.
What your suggesting would make cw like a tournament of some sort, which isn't a bad idea but it cant happen as a part of the existing cw