Why zapping is, in fact, an issue

yeah.
im one of those guys that like to have the last word.
ill be honest about that

i just look at this from a practical point of view.
is it a pain in the figurative a$$ when i get my DE zapped?
of course

it is also a pain when i get raided and lose my loot that way.

but this is a game. the idea is to build up your base by stealing loot from other people's bases. it doesnt get much more simple than that. there is no economy here. it is all made up. if supercell wanted they could right now go into everyones account, individually anyway, and give them as much loot as they could hold.

i am still having difficulty understanding what the problem actually is?

as part of this game, the developer created 5 different spells we can use in our aid of raiding someones base. each spell costs x amount of elixer. the higher level you upgrade, the more it costs.

you seem to have a problem that the lightning spell can be used to steal DE which the raider would otherwise have to use other means to get.

so, am i to understand that i could equip 5 level 1 dragons, which cost the same as 5 level 4 lightning spells, and raid your base. maybe my dragons get to your DE, maybe they dont. but you only have a problem with the lightning spell because there is no way to fight against it, while all your defenses can shoot down my dragons.

why then are you not ranting about the healing spell? if my troop is about to be killed i can drop a healing spell on it and my troop lives and destroys the defense or DE storage. there is no counter to that.

or what about the rage spell? or the jump spell? or the freeze spell?

by your argument, there should not be any spells in the game. why stop with the spells? that BK and AQ are such a a pain when i am raiding. my troops cannot fight against that. they should take it out. and walls. man, don't get me started on walls. do you see where i am going?

in my opinion, and too me that is all that matters. are the spells overpowered? maybe
should the lightning spell be able to collect resources? i dont know, but they do, and i can use em that way, so i do.
i am sure that you have tried to refute this particular argument, but it is in the game. this is what the developers intended when they created the lightning spell. a huge splash damage destruction spell that causes damage to anything it touches. how people use it is their business. if you dont like using it that way, fine, dont use it that way.

i also play COD. i hate target finders. i hate thermal scopes. but its in the game. its part of it.

now, i do give you props for sounding very eloquent. i am sure that you are a very smart person. but its difficult to agree with someone about having something removed or changed from the game, when their very first argument is that it is "a pain". too that i respond, so what? suck it up buttercup

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Originally Posted by victort

tis true ......... i quoted it, but could not find your name, or the page at the time ....

i think i may have seen it on the previous thread, that told the op we did not consider it an issue, so he started a new one here to say it was, but i may be mis-remebering

please can i have it for my sig :confused: suck it up bittercup

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sure, have fun with it

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Originally Posted by Spinner7980

Lots of stuff and things from above

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Couldn't agree with you more on the spells. There really is no counter to ANY spell, with the exception of user-idiocy (anyone else randomly zap open ground when forgetting to switch back to troops?). I would even say that the other spells can cause even more heartache as a raged out team (or healed ones, or jumping duders) can end up doing more damage than just zip-zapping would.

I guess my question for everyone who wants zapping for resources removed- why aren't you clamoring for all spells to be neutered? At least all players (with a spell factory) have access to the lightning spell; but the others are restricted for higher level player. Why is it ok for me to negate your defenses by jumping, but not ok for you to negate mine by zapping?

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Originally Posted by Spinner7980

yeah.
im one of those guys that like to have the last word.
ill be honest about that

i just look at this from a practical point of view.
is it a pain in the figurative a$$ when i get my DE zapped?
of course

it is also a pain when i get raided and lose my loot that way.

but this is a game. the idea is to build up your base by stealing loot from other people's bases. it doesnt get much more simple than that. there is no economy here. it is all made up. if supercell wanted they could right now go into everyones account, individually anyway, and give them as much loot as they could hold.

i am still having difficulty understanding what the problem actually is?

as part of this game, the developer created 5 different spells we can use in our aid of raiding someones base. each spell costs x amount of elixer. the higher level you upgrade, the more it costs.

you seem to have a problem that the lightning spell can be used to steal DE which the raider would otherwise have to use other means to get.

so, am i to understand that i could equip 5 level 1 dragons, which cost the same as 5 level 4 lightning spells, and raid your base. maybe my dragons get to your DE, maybe they dont. but you only have a problem with the lightning spell because there is no way to fight against it, while all your defenses can shoot down my dragons.

why then are you not ranting about the healing spell? if my troop is about to be killed i can drop a healing spell on it and my troop lives and destroys the defense or DE storage. there is no counter to that.

or what about the rage spell? or the jump spell? or the freeze spell?

by your argument, there should not be any spells in the game. why stop with the spells? that BK and AQ are such a a pain when i am raiding. my troops cannot fight against that. they should take it out. and walls. man, don't get me started on walls. do you see where i am going?

in my opinion, and too me that is all that matters. are the spells overpowered? maybe
should the lightning spell be able to collect resources? i dont know, but they do, and i can use em that way, so i do.
i am sure that you have tried to refute this particular argument, but it is in the game. this is what the developers intended when they created the lightning spell. a huge splash damage destruction spell that causes damage to anything it touches. how people use it is their business. if you dont like using it that way, fine, dont use it that way.

i also play COD. i hate target finders. i hate thermal scopes. but its in the game. its part of it.

now, i do give you props for sounding very eloquent. i am sure that you are a very smart person. but its difficult to agree with someone about having something removed or changed from the game, when their very first argument is that it is "a pain". too that i respond, so what? suck it up buttercup

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You make some good points and i agree with you for the most part, however just because something is in the game it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed. The reason why people are against zapping is because it takes away what little strategy is needed if you can simply drop spells to achieve your ends, it will enhance gameplay if spells had to be used in tandem with troops, like heal spells or zapping cc or a critical defensive structure during an actual raid.
I personally don't like being zapped but it doesn't bother me an awful lot, i still think its an aspect of the game thaneds changing.
P.S. this is the same concept as my zapping th analogy, but since nobody understood the point I was making I decided to articulate it differently

yeah, no i get what you are saying. it is just those things you mentioned are subjective experiences. to make changes to game mechanics require an objective experience. is it fair for everyone. this is fair because everyone can use it. so it takes away some of the skill. so what? look the reason why people play this game is because it is fun. not everyone is exceptionally skilled at raiding. try as they might they are just not that good at it. SC wants people to play. zapping storages gives the unskilled a way to keep playing.

this is the most honest answer i can think of why this is the way it is.

the bottom line is that this is not some broken game mechanic. people are not exploiting a glitch in the game that was not intended by the developers. zapping buildings is exactly the purpose they had in mind for this spell. it does what it is supposed to do. splash damage to buildings in a small area.

some people just dont like it. tough.

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Originally Posted by Spinner7980

yeah, no i get what you are saying. it is just those things you mentioned are subjective experiences. to make changes to game mechanics require an objective experience. is it fair for everyone. this is fair because everyone can use it. so it takes away some of the skill. so what? look the reason why people play this game is because it is fun. not everyone is exceptionally skilled at raiding. try as they might they are just not that good at it. SC wants people to play. zapping storages gives the unskilled a way to keep playing.

this is the most honest answer i can think of why this is the way it is.

the bottom line is that this is not some broken game mechanic. people are not exploiting a glitch in the game that was not intended by the developers. zapping buildings is exactly the purpose they had in mind for this spell. it does what it is supposed to do. splash damage to buildings in a small area.

some people just dont like it. tough.

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I wouldn't say that sc will never to anything about it, but I wont hold my breath.
I very much doubt that sc intended for the zaps to be used this way, the same way that they didn't intend heroes to be lured. They have made attempts to make it less profitable by increasing de storage hp but seeing how prevalent it still is I don't think the balance is right yet.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

I wouldn't say that sc will never to anything about it, but I wont hold my breath.
I very much doubt that sc intended for the zaps to be used this way, the same way that they didn't intend heroes to be lured. They have made attempts to make it less profitable by increasing de storage hp but seeing how prevalent it still is I don't think the balance is right yet.

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Originally Posted by Spinner7980

yeah, no i get what you are saying. it is just those things you mentioned are subjective experiences. to make changes to game mechanics require an objective experience. is it fair for everyone. this is fair because everyone can use it. so it takes away some of the skill. so what? look the reason why people play this game is because it is fun. not everyone is exceptionally skilled at raiding. try as they might they are just not that good at it. SC wants people to play. zapping storages gives the unskilled a way to keep playing.

this is the most honest answer i can think of why this is the way it is.

the bottom line is that this is not some broken game mechanic. people are not exploiting a glitch in the game that was not intended by the developers. zapping buildings is exactly the purpose they had in mind for this spell. it does what it is supposed to do. splash damage to buildings in a small area.

some people just dont like it. tough.

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don't you two start getting sensible......



the trolls need food,not reasoned argument presented in a good humoured way....... :rolleyes:

it is very possible. but i look at it logically. if this was a big issue, SC probably would change it or alter the mechanic in some way. but they havent. someone even posted a statement, by one employee, that said they dont consider it a major issue at this time.

now that doesnt mean they dont consider it an issue at all and have ruled out the idea of ever fixing it. it just means that presently, they do not have any plans of changing it.

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Originally Posted by Spinner7980

i think the moderators and SC people on here get a real kick out of reading the hilarious attempts to try and prove/disprove logically whether zapping is an issue or not.

it is blatantly obvious that to a few people on here, zapping storages IS an issue.

it is blatantly obvious that for every one else, it is not an issue.

from what i understand, a single SC employee has said that they do not have plans right now to address this.
all that statement means is that for now, they dont plan on changing the mechanic of a lightning spell. in the future, they might decide to change it.

so where do we go from here?

as far as i am concerned, Zapping storages is an issue, in the technical and literal sense, but it is not one that the developers of this game have any interest in changing at this time.

so, by all means, argue all you want about how unfair it might be, how cheap of a tactic it is, whatever your argument is. for the people that really matter, it is probably falling on deaf ears and is simply humorous fodder for the rest of us.

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Winner winner chicken dinner!

Now excuse me, there are some infractions ready in the oven to be dished up.