Why zapping is, in fact, an issue

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Originally Posted by azlaier

Still doesn't address the issue.

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Point is, many of us don't consider this an issue, but a part of the game.

I won't say that you are wrong and should agree with us though. It may be that we were wrong and you are right. It's just different perspective.

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Originally Posted by Vyvinator

See people only complain about things that affect them. Remember when you were a Th8/7, DE was hard to come by and everytime you went on defence you got flattened by level 6 giants? So you say you can't defend against lightning spells when the people who zap you can't defend against you?

And anyway the amount of DE stolen is so small, even my 2 drills at TH9 make it back in a couple hours. A 12 hours shield for a loss of minimal DE? Deal.

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Not addressing the issue.

As far as I can see, there are no counters to any spells, isnt that partially the point of them?

The fact that people are willing to trade a lot of one thing for a little of another is a sign of desperation i think.

So maybe the solution is to not offer anything that requires DE until TH8 when they are able to make it themselves?

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Originally Posted by azlaier

Not addressing the issue.

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may be because there is no real issue... Its a possibility in the game. There are many things that are just the way they are and do not have to be addressed !

It is a so old subject that all i can siggest is : do with it or play another game !

Back when I was th7 the game was easier and even for the first part of th8. The hero nerfs are the most memorable but little by little the AI has been tweaked to make getting 3 stars more challenging. I used to think this was so supercell could make more money but very recently I read a post that opens my eyes a little. Supercell is doing what we ask on the forums both reinforcing bases a little more and making clan wars a true challenge. Lightning is already in the game and it doesn't work as well as before really. But I am starting to have faith in this development team that they will fix it. I'm starting to realize now that it is about making money yes, but also about having the best mobile game. I'm saying I think they will fix it, tweak the de returned by a LS, or something. But whatever it is I believe will be carefully thought out as best they can.

Zapping for dark elixer is a scourge and needs to be fixed. The arguments for it are a joke. It's an easy rought for unskilled low level players to steal what they couldn't do in a normal raid.

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Originally Posted by azlaier

The vocal minority who insist that zapping doesn't need to be fixed never seem to actually address the issue. When someone points out the nonsensicality of the rarest resource in the game being the most goofproof and assured resource to farm, the dissenting rhetoric generally involves something along the lines of, "just revenge them/go zap other people," "raise your trophies," "if you have that much DE to lose from a zap, you don't need it anyways/it will be easy for you to get back," "just put your town hall outside," or, "I don't have this issue, therefore it isn't an issue." But none of these address the point (except, perhaps, the last one, but it's a ludic fallacy and a false dichotomy in way of argument from incredulity).

The issue is that there is literally no way to counter zapping. One could argue that moving up in trophies is a counter, but that's simply avoidance, not a counter; zapping is an available option to people of any trophy range. If someone is struggling to keep his gold, elixir, or trophies, he can upgrade defenses, rearrange his base, and ask his clanmates to help him defend through donations. A fully maxed TH 10 with a well-designed base is no more protected from zappers than a level 56 TH 10 with level 4 walls. One cannot strategize to reliably defend dark elixir, because there IS no strategy to reliably defend dark elixir, because farming DE doesn't require overcoming defenses; THIS is the issue. We're not dealing with another hog issue--this isn't simply the case of an overpowered farming method. We're dealing with a farming method for which there is zero risk, and always reward. We're dealing with a farming method for which the level of risk does not vary with the opponent's defense levels, trophy range, or base layout, because it is unrestricted, unmitigable, and foolproof.

To go ahead and address the irrelevant conclusions that are sure to follow: Zappers hardly ever have enough resources to make revenge worthwhile. Most TH 8s and early to mid TH 9s certainly do not have the ability to rake in enough DE to make zapping negligible. My town hall is already outside my base. I don't want to zap other people. I don't want to raise my trophies.

(For the record, I'm a TH 9 sitting in crystal 3, and zappers make saving up DE nearly impossible for me. And I'm a medical student, so I don't have time to sit online until I have enough DE to dump into an upgrade.)

Edit: A popular response [from TH 10s and high 9s who aren't DE hungry] is that they don't mind zapping. Well, many of us do mind. This also doesn't address the issue. Whether or not zapping bothers you is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Picc6951

I am TH10 who is currently trying to max out heroes, lvl 34 AQ & lvl 20 BK as of right now. I for one do not care if I get zap. Annoying, yes, but its part of the game and I accept it. Why? Because I zap the hell out of th9 & 10 when I was at th8 trying to get BK and level him up.

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You're not really giving a reason why it should stay by giving your situation

Anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Zapping should be nerfed somehow

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Originally Posted by willsolvit

You're not really giving a reason why it should stay by giving your situation

Anyway, I completely agree with the OP. Zapping should be nerfed somehow

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Nerf it by giving a reward bonus for the win. Why SC never implemented a reward for defending your base is beyond me. I lost 3000k in DE yesterday from a zap... yeah, I gained 18 cups... so what?? If there was a reward bonus for defending your base it wouldn't bother me. Zap me, get a few thousand in DE but I gain the 65k Gold/Elixer for Crystal 1.

Batman says that Zapping is fine!! It's part of the game. If people zap you, zap them back.

I'm TH9 and, for me, zapping is the ultimate revenge on a TH 10 that has decided to steamroll me and take all my available DE.

If their storage is between two centralises inferno towers - what chance I have got to revenge?

Zapping puts someone on my radar.

A TH 8 sniped and zapped me for 1.2k DE last week. little gold and elixir taken.

I revenged. Yes i did have a net loss with DE cos i used my ready trained hog army. But i got back the 1.2 k DE plus nearly 200k gold and over 300k elixir. In return he learned a valuable lesson and a 16h shield. I know, I'm too kind

however. As much as I hate being zapped the 1.2 k loss was far less than the 2.4k DE taken from me as a TH10.

Its also a bit more of a problem in Gold than it ever was for me in crystal 2