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With a lot of skill and strategy, I can beat almost any base, irrelevant of base design, level of defences, placement of traps, troops in clan castle, etc. BUT add two infernos to an otherwise pathetic loser base ... it's nearly unbeatable. That's stupid and annoying as all hell.
Infernos are so OP that it's ridiculous. They need to be scaled back. Remove the disco, remove the non-healing (both of which we're added to Nerf hogs), sometimg, ANYTHING, just scale them back. Please!
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Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Depends whatr mode they are set on ----- check first and use the appropiate army to attack, or hit next.... sorted...
If it's for revenge or war, then you know in advance, so can cook up the appropiate troops ...... :rolleyes:
I know lots, and lots, and LOTS of people who would disagree with you.
How about nahQuote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Just Takes Practise To Be Able To Beat Those Bases
One here!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatLach
10 nos
Infeno's need a buff, TH10 struggles against everything but the very worst attacks.
There could be a bigger difference between the effectiveness of a level one and a level three inferno though, level ones are probably too effective for what they are, maybe add a new level.
freeze spell is a thing...
They WERE nerfed, now they are much easier to overwhelm with numbers as it takes longer for the multi to lock on to a new target.
they need to nerf OFFENCE not DEFENCE
TH 9 is a thing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus541
That nerf was so insignificant that you cant even see it with bare eyes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama321
TH9 not being able to beat TH10 is a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AThingCoC
Freeze spell.. problem solved.
NEXT!
They're supposed to be powerful. They make the game more challenging and are also the best part of reaching TH10. :D
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Originally Posted by anarchy86
Perhaps, when newly TH9 .... after a few troop upgrades, they should be able to ...... :rolleyes:
Why can't I barch a max TH10 to 3*? THIS IS RIDICULOUS SC. FIX IT.Quote:
Originally Posted by victort
Even an average TH9 attacker should have no problems one starring a TH10.Quote:
Originally Posted by anarchy86
You had me up until "BUT."Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
I kind of feel like I agree with OP, even though I am a new TH9 and they are new to me. I tried GoWiPe against them and got slaughtered. I don't know how to get past them at all.
One star was no longer considered as "beating" ever since clan wars came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
What kind of troop upgrades? Tier one?Quote:
Originally Posted by victort
Interesting. I'm pretty sure all my one star replays are marked as defeats and I have lost trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by anarchy86
Very strange, maybe it is just me.
I disagree to this. Im a th8 and i can get a 2 star raid against a th10 in Masters League, they are op if you dont know how to raid bases with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Actually a good combo of troops, freeze & rage spells, and the right place to attack will take them down... You just have to learn how to play!
Luke lvl124 deathsminions
Next Next Next Next or wait this isn't a loot thread.
I am a TH8, I can't crush any maxed TH9 with L5 Barbs because of xbows. Nerf them
Other defences besides 2 lvl 1 multi infernos SHOULD be a thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by anarchy86
And by your logic a maxed th9 could not be able to beat defenceless th10?
What strategy do you use?Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsGaming
ITs don't need nerfing. I can already crush premature th10's with disco infernos with little toughtened barch army. If you think only 2 defence towers keep your base safe, you are one of these thinking offense is OP.
Fyi, i'm th9...
I really don't understand why Th9s are always calling for infernos to be nerfed. Just upgrade your TH and get the freeze spell.
ooooh! but then you wouldn't get to beat up on those TH8s.
Of course that's what i meant. A maxed TH9 should not be able to beat a defenseless TH10.Quote:
Originally Posted by AThingCoC
#IncreaseBrainUsagePlease
Inferno towers separate the great attackers from all the good ones.
if u want to bluff, at least put more logic in it.. like.. "im th9..bla..bla.."Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsGaming
Batman says that everything should be nerfed
i would guess here that most of the 'no dont nerf them' are th10's. i am too a th10 but i may sit on the fence a little. i think they are very hard to beat. the non heal element is a pain and i think it should be changed. would this be considered a nerf or a boost to offence.
i remember when i was th9. i found a base with juicy storages and went for it. it had all stores in middle with layer after layer of wall around them. it had every other item outside of the walls inc th. i failed misserably. the IT ate me up.
it is very hard to take em down but when all get to th10 we love em. they keep the vultures away!
I switched to TH10 just to get them becoz i was constantly crushed by hog riders. I never meet hog riders anymore, please leave my inferno towers as they are !
Just... no.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnybro1234
I been playing this game since early May which isn't long but I have worked hard to get 10 infernos down. 4 of them were dark but I literally have launched entire armies and all spells to take down the inferno, knowing I will get no loot. Actually failing 9 out of 10 tries. if they nerf'd infernos now I'd be so mad..
I am a new TH7 and i can't 3 star a TH10 because of it's 4 ADs,please nerf ADs:rolleyes:
Back when you were th 9, inferno tower might not been nerfed like today. Now, it is not as mighty as it was. Sure, the 'no healing' part is actually its biggest sale. But nowadays, it is quite possible to beat bases with inferno towers, with th 9 army. Of course, assuming you have some spells in your pocket and heroes not below level 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by shutzy
I hate infernos, and the loot system, and collectors (pretty OP man) and builders huts (powerful things), also goblins. Goblins are way way way OP, you know how they like always destroy your base 4 stars?!?!?! Also the level 2 troops man are TERRIBLE. once I got to Bronze II as a TH 8 I had no clue what to do!!!
Please help get this message out so SC will hear us and nerf these things.
In all seriousness:
Infernos are meant to be OP or whatever, I wouldn't want to be spending 5,000,000 gold + de to load a rainbow gun.
I wanna shoot people that want things nerfed with a nerf gun
EDIT: Actually not a nerf gun a Inferno Tower :rolleyes:
Infernos are fine... don't you see a lot of th10, even a max out base get 2 star??
Nerf the loot penalty!
This thread made me laugh. If you are running into infernos I would suggest dropping trophies or learn to deal with them. There is also that little "next" button on the bottom right of the screen you can hit until you find a base without infernos
What town hall level are you? :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Sounds like you need to upgrade your troops.
what he means is he is th 8 or 9 he can get 2 on any base min with gowipi or gowiwwi but as he dont have freeze spells he cant take infernos even a rushed base with infernos is a huge prblm in clan wars to 3 star in such cases by thr level players
I have yet to loose to TH 10's with infernos. Even my fail ends up at 50%
I'm a TH9 lvl 100 and love to barch for my resources. I've had times where I've blown through a slightly rushed th10 with infernos and reached the middle of his base with my heroes and rage spells destroying infernos. Why complain?...just play the game man. Make up a new strategy if you're so confident with your skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
they already nerfed them
Infernos are in place so it takes skill to take them out. Army comps are too OP not to have infernos. I was surprised when they were nerfed the last timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Izaiah
I remember a year ago (before discos, before the heal nerf, before non lureable heroes, before the hog nerfs) as a th8 I could get 2-3 stars on new to mid level th10s. I thought I was so great being the scourge of th9s and 10s since nothing could stop my hogs. Pull the cc, pull the heroes, spam hogs, heal spell here, and there, aaannnndddd victory. I made a good amount of loot knocking out th9s and 10s. ITs didnt scare me. Just another building to knock over on the way to 3 stars. I maxed my th8 in crystal 1-2. All 5 builders were sweating and the lab always had lights on. I didn't care if a th10 wiped out my base for the near full storages... I would just revenge him and get back my loot (old loot system bonuses were great).
Then came th9. Lvl 5 hogs and max lvl balloonion soon followed, and with 20 more army slots and an extra spell, I kept at it. I felt like I was the bane of th10s in crystal 1-master3. I thought I'd be th10 in no time, but realized why upgrade to th10, if I can stomp them as a th9. I had dreams of a maxed th9! Lvl 30 heros, lava walls, maxed everything! Even those worthless valks...
Shortly after the balloon/hog upgrades, SC came out with discos and the anti heal buff for infernos. January/February I think. I was ticked. My spam strategies were now worthless! I had to stop attacking th10s which for some reason seemed like the end of the clash for me. I contemplated going to th10 just for the freeze spell so I could keep going.
While complaining about it in clan chat, a friend of mine who had been th10 for a while laughed at me and made the point: a th8/9 should not be able to roll his face across his ipad and get 3 stars on a decent th10.
Forgive the old man reminiscing, but it is to point out that a very expensive defensive building for the highest town hall level should not be a building that lower townhalls don't care about, or what is the point of it? It is meant to be formidable and a difficult defence to face, counter, and destroy.
As pointed out, if you are having difficulties with ITs, analyze your trophy count, army comps, and/or if it is time for you to go to th10 to get freeze spells (and your own infernos). You won't be complaining about them then.
SC should not nerf ITs. It would bring back the old anarchy of th8s attacking th10s and not fearing a loss.
Good argument. Touching on both sides of the fence 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by theangryewok
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Nerf this post! Nerf this thread! Nerf this forum, Nerth the internet!, Nerf the planet!, Nerf the Sun!!
ps. Im th9
I'm TH9, level 96.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightpinkstar
In summary people are saying I should hit "next" or upgrade to TH10. Sad but true, which is why I started this thread. It should be fixed.
I do however agree with people who say that attack is already OP. So how about this ... rather than Nerf infernos, give TH9 the freeze spell?
Lol please tell me that you realize I was kidding about all those things, I came up with the least OP things in the game that are about equalizelnt to this rant. People need to go to the attack strategies section and find one like GoWiPe or GoWiWiPe or getting a freaking freeze spell or two. By complaining nothing has and or will happen and the OP will live hos CoC life in agony forever if he expects infernos to be healing his troopsQuote:
Originally Posted by Senior0028
EDIT: I just realized he can't get the freeze spell :p still my other use a more powerful army stands
Lol lol lol lol this wins post of the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by fatdunky
Infernos are the centerpiece of town hall 10. They should be difficult to beat.
If you can't get through them, it's because you're not meant to.
Attacking an appropriate target for your level is a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AThingCoC
TH9 already unlocks the jump spell. Are you suggesting they should also unlock the freeze spell, and TH10 no longer unlock any new spell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
A better solution is that if you're TH9 and you're having difficulty going up against infernos, stick to attacking your own TH level or lower.
TH9. Level 109. Help me out. What do you use then to take down a TH10?
when I was TH 7 I could bust into a lot of 9's and eights for loot. Against 10's I still haven't really found my method.
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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
I think you wanted to say townhall10 right?
I can't fathom the power of townhall 11's centerpiece defensive tower, but i do know their will be countless threads of that damn thing is too overpowered . . . ..
The fact that OP has a sig about complainers and he complains about infernos being "OP".
In what universe? Infernos are on bases to help you get the "firefighter" achievement(plus they look a little cool). If you can't defeat a base with infernos, it doesn't mean they are OP...it just means that your raiding level isn't as high as you thought.
/thread
I agree they are a little too OP. My suggestion would be to remove the non healing effect.
I rarely use the jump spell and it certainly doesn't help me attack infernos. Nor does heal, nor lightning.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
How about this idea. Give freeze spell to TH9 and give/create a new spell for TH10.
TH10 is the only TH level that can't be attacked by a higher level TH.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
You're saying that TH10s shouldn't be attacked by lower level THs either.
That's a bit rich.
Are they that good
The highest TH level, if upgraded properly, should be able to fend of any attack from lower THs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Why should TH9 have access to a spell that is the only counter to a defense structure that only TH10 has?
"TH10 gets new Inferno Towers, all 3 levels! Don't worry TH9, 8 and 7, here's a freeze spell to counter that TH10-exclusive Inferno Tower!"
Since you are asking for lower level THs to have freeze, might as well go all the way right?
What's stopping you from upgrading your town hall so you can unlock the freeze spell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
I have a better solution than your idea of simply giving TH9 the ability to unlock both Jump & Freeze. Let's give TH9 the freeze spell, and TH8 the jump spell. Then let's knock the loot penalty down for TH10 to make it fair:
100% vs TH9
90% vs TH8
If you want better offense against TH10, then TH10 should have no loot penalty against you.
Ha ha ha. A fair trade. I'd be gladly support this if it's an option ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
I would be able to do walls so much faster. I second this hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
That's your definition of fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
TH10 would still have infernos, larger, more powerful armies, more and better defences, etc. But if TH9 gets the freeze spell, you consider it to be an equal match (hence no loot penalty)? Incredible.
I'd rather see TH10s put into their own pool. TH10s can only attack, and be attacked, by other TH10s.
I have. Solution!!!!
Let's get rid of infernos and see how well defences for TH 10 do. TH 10 isn't even worth upgrading to without infernos, they are ONE of the only reasons I would ever upgrade TH 10
Again, what's stopping you from upgrading your town hall so you can unlock the freeze spell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
I'm about to get my first inferno, so they're sure to nerf it. I also need to appologize to the hoggers for starting my level 5 hogs and causing the hog nerf.
Right...Attacking is OP... So buff it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
YES! TH10!!! Sorry for the slip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natesmiles
I just turned th10, so I want my infernos, but the extra traps, xbow, cannon and archer, plus the extra level or two on everything else isn't exactly nothing. I spent the last 4 months as th9. Believe me, you don't want to go back to being th9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izaiah
Bad idea. All you would have to do is max TH9, and stay there. You'd be stronger than anyone else that you would ever encounter, with a guarantee that you would never face any TH10s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Get real. I attacked plenty of TH10, as a TH9. Guess what... I lost a LOT of those battles. As a result, I learned how to better attack them, and now I lose less. That's how it should be. No one should be able to attack even an equivalent opponent, and win every time, much less someone at a higher level.
Sk your suggesting loot gets even better as a TH 10? You would rather be collecting loot as a TH 10 than 9?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wendle
Anyways I realize that there is other defences, but the only essential things are the x bow and infernos. Also te levels at TH 10 are important but if I had to pick the most essential thing of I can only pick either the cannon archer X bow or inferno, than I would choose the inferno(s).
please dont nerf inferno....i want a bad ♥♥♥ one when i got to th 10...which will take some time tho....a lot of work still to do from rushing here...
PS : xbow are suck compare to inferno ...never prevent my base get flatten by those giant...
PSS : or maybe thats because my lvl 1 tesla and lvl 6 AT....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...so not xbow fault...
I didn't say anything like that. I just said there is more to th10 than infernos. I had a max th9 and got flattened regularly. It was getting pretty old. I already noticed a difference with just the new mortar, archer, cannon, and skeleton traps. My 3rd xbow is still building and I have yet to start the infernos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izaiah
But since you brought it up, I see very little difference in loot. If you have been th10 for a while, you may not have experienced how bad it's been at th9 lately. I boosted as th10 the other night and barched about 2M with th9 level troops. Best raid was 250/250, with an average of about 80/80. That's not much worse (if any) than a bad night as a th9.
You're saying I should upgrade to TH10, because only TH10s should have the right (and spell required) to attack other TH10s? You guys are elitists.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
I bet if SC took the freeze spell away from TH10s, you guys would start seeing this problem in a different light.
You want to be able to attack a town hall level way higher than you ? What is the point of upgrading if everyone can do that ?
It isn't elitism. It shouldn't be easy for any TH to take out a TH of a higher level. Otherwise, why advance at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Not "way higher" than me, just one level higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoardGuest808888
Not surprisingly TH10s like the current arrangement. There is no-one above OR below TH10 attacking them.
Remind me to hereafter ignore all TH10 complaints about loot. If they want to be untouchable by other level THs, then they'll get no sympathy from me.
So it would be easy for TH9 players to destroy your base, if TH9 had freeze spells?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1
If the answer is "yes", then maybe you need to work on your base design, trap placement, walls, etc, rather than just hiding behind your infernos.
This has to be one of the worst threads yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Infernos suck, because on top of everything else they have a hidden damage modifier against certain units. The bottom line is this: TH10 is nothing but a trap. You think that by going from TH9 to TH10 you will be opening up all sorts of fun new things, but the fact is TH10 is designed from the ground up to be a money pit. You will NEVER be able to 'save up' for anything without getting rolled, meaning that every single TH10 in existence insta-gemmed their Infernos. Upgrading the Infernos also has to be insta-gemmed, because even being down one Inferno means you will be rolled nonstop for however long it takes to build.
Infernos should not be able to be gemmed to be finished. Their radius should be about %25 smaller. Their nullifying of Heals is complete ♥♥♥♥ - like Hogs would stand a chance anyway. All I see up here in M3 is twin Infernos with pink walls. Why would anyone need to put so much as a flake of gold or drop of elixir into walls once they have Infernos?!
Is that what I said? No, but my point still stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
I'm one cannon and a few traps from maxing my TH10 defenses. None of it was "insta-gemmed."Quote:
Originally Posted by kaibosh
This is completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaibosh
Unlike the Tesla (which has a favorite target, the PEKKA, and does double damage to them), the Inferno Tower doesn't have a favorite target, nor does it deal more damage to any troop more than the others.
Agreed. This post thrives on little kids that want to be able to hit high in war, and not work to be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
I'm a TH9 and have no problem with ITs being so strong. Every TH wants the TH above them nerfed.... Until they upgrade their own TH of course.
Now, this was also what I've thought while I was a th 9 for a year. But as recently upgraded to th 10 (2 weeks ago), I also learnt something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
Thing is, there is vast difference between th 9 & 10. There even is vast difference between one th 10 and another. Why ? Because the upgrades at th 10 require enormous amount of resources and time. This is something that can not be easily comprehended unless you're th 10. The result is, even if on paper you're only a level behind, practically you're way less powerful as it should be.
Imagine this, the cost to upgrade cannon a level at th 10 equals to upgrading two cannons at th 9. The cost of upgrading an army camp at th 10 equals to upgrading three army camps for th 9. And the amount we're talking here is not something you can easily barch within 1-2 hours either just like a th 7. Loot penalty notwithstanding. This obviously, includes inferno towers.
You can test this difference yourself at Master leagues. See yourself how many 'static' th 10 there are. By 'static' I mean the ones who can not advance anymore.
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Originally Posted by kaibosh
Wow. You could not be more wrong. Infernos are fine the way they are. Yes, I got both the day my townhall reached L10, but it certainly was not by gemming; it was by just regular old barching (And having maxed full storages at the time my TH10 finished). Also had no trouble hanging on to my loot to pay for my upgrades because I maxed my TH9 before going to TH10. If you play the game correctly, you can max everything and not pay a dime. If you want to defeat inferno, try a L5 freeze spell, or three. Does wonders. As it was intended to do.
Inferno's are balanced and if u can't beat them then u can use an army which can defeat them and freeze spell exists in this world to use.
A Building Should Not Be Nerfed If You Can't Counter It.
You speak of skill and strategy, but sound like you just barch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
They are fine.
A nicely timed rage spell is good enough for me in wars. Granted I have not come up against level 3 infernos yet. I will learn to deal with it when the time comes.
TH8 regular 2 star against TH10 in masters really or just once or twice...what is your inferno kill count out of interest....I suspect next and snipe would be your friends more as a TH8 up there.....infernos engender respect as a formidable defence building...as they should in someone who has made it to the final stage of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsGaming