Mildly Incoherent Ramblings about the state of the game, and ways to fix it.

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If we wanted to make loot better (without sc's help)we would need to have a huge majority of active players place their th outside to get sniped. Eventually all the active th's will have sheilds, exposing non active bases....
If only everyone who played coc were farmers :p.

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Originally Posted by Perseverance

By reading this post, you give yourself away as a kid as well. 'get a gf' ? Really?

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ik thats the point. it was a joke

Good ideas. Besides not gemming time. They'll never do that, and I have no problem with people who gem time. If you want your base to far exceed your skill level, be my guest.

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Originally Posted by nongemer

Theory:
If we wanted to make loot better (without sc's help)we would need to have a huge majority of active players place their th outside to get sniped. Eventually all the active th's will have sheilds, exposing non active bases....
If only everyone who played coc were farmers :p.

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This is counter-intuitive... how about all the loaded people put their town halls in for juicy storage raids!

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Originally Posted by Psychedelic

You would be disgusted to know the logic behind car recalls that actually do put people in danger. Weigh the cost of lawsuits due to accidents in the car vs. the money lost by recalling the car. Has nothig to do with people's lives/safety. This is how businesses operate. Whatever makes/saves the most money. No matter what kind of business it is.

Coathanger is clearly a paid spokesperson as I constantly see him/her derailing threads with things like this. Im not new here, Im a long-time lurker. A good spokesperson does exactly what coathanger does. Not necessarily give constant "official" views of supercell but do everything to make opposing views look bad with some pseudo-logic that can fool naive children, as well as derailing threads with opposing views. This way it looks like a "member" derailed the thread and gives mods a reason to close it, as well as making the conversation go away from the negative topic. If youre not being paid coathanger, you ought to ask for some compensation from sc because youre doing exactly what a paid shill would do. So to me it makes no difference if you are or arent when pragmatically, you are.

Yes, it is possible to create a fun game and have an attrociously dishonorable business model. Ive said in other threads I love the game but hate the business model. I see how much potential the game has to become better, and so much of that is held back by the business aspect. Its not about making the game "easy" and wanting it all "easy." Its about creating a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

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Some companies (in your example car companies when this is a gaming company being discussed) have dishonest business practices therefor all companies have dishonest business practices. That is some inherently weak logic.

Still not a shill, keep running that gambit while thinking that saying something is proof enough. What I am is fairly simple to understand (not that I expect some people to be capable of understanding). I am a fan and participate in these forums. Being a fan reading the fallacious arguments used to besmirch that which I am a fan of, I contradict those fallacious arguments. Now your best line to being contradicted is to attempt to make the argument against me, I am successful when this happens, so I thank you for that. Your logic/reason has failed to stand up to scrutiny and you rely on making things up when challenged.

P.S. Still waiting on gems or a t-shirt.;)

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Originally Posted by Furgle

This is counter-intuitive... how about all the loaded people put their town halls in for juicy storage raids!

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I don't think there are enough loaded people for that to be sustainable. Also, those loaded people are the guys with maxed out bases, I commend you if you manage to get all their loot but chances are you won't, using a farming army.

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Originally Posted by Jappchillin

Mildly is putting it rather...mildly. You wrote a book, about an app, played by children. It also doesn't take a degree in psychology to understand how to make a good business and give people what they want. You should probably reasses your priorities. Loot is fine and time is what makes the whole point of the game. You progress at whatever rate you wish to progress at or can afford. Heroes are not some gem buying conspiracy to make you spend mommy and daddy's pay check it's just the way it is much like when you upgrade your spell factory. The prep day is fine you realize most of the time you get matched up with a clan overseas and how would a 2 hour window for that be fair. People have other priorities than playing this game all day. If you don't want to war join a farming clan if you want to war but can't, offer to leave so you're not handicapping the clan. Quests, well it's a lot easier to photoshop some pics on the screen and come up with ideas than actually making it happen within the game. Who knows what they have planned in the future. I skimmed through most of your post because well let's face it, ain't nobody got time fo dat.

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What a snide patronising post. You have a real sneering tone.

And no, he should not reassess his priorities to suit your view. OP was positive in his approach. You weren't.

The OP is entitled to present a personal point of view that doesn't match others. Clearly thought out, in his own words. To be applauded.

Well done OP, I read all your novel. Some nice points. Thank you.

I realize SC is a business and as such cares most for the money. There is no crime a capitalist wouldn't commit for 200% profit, as Marks wrote. But there are other and better ways to increase the revenue than squeezing the customers. To make them happy with a product, for example. Let's take a look at the latest update. The haven't added any super expensive OP buildings, only three cheap but clever traps, and a mortar which was a long due anyway. Next, they've increased the loot bonus, choosing it over all alternative ways to inject the resources into the game's economy as encouraging competitive gameplay rather than grinding. Call me naive, or shill, if you want, but for me this is an evidence that SC actually cares about their product and customer base rather than simply exploits them.

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Originally Posted by Psychedelic

@coathanger
My point exactly. Hypocritical response and trying to derail things more. Done arguing with the shill, heres my on-topic remarks:

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You think it is me am derailing this thread by making it personal? I do freely admit I am contributing to it by continuing to respond to personal attacks, I feel the need to defend myself from flawed thinking as much as I do the things I am a fan of.

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Why is nearly every building simply not available while its upgrading. Does strategy/gameplay have anything to do with that?

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Army camps, storages, and the clan castle are all available, not the point though just another contradiction to your assertions. The strategy is managing those upgrades how the player sees fit and adjusting your defense to compensate for that.

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Why is loot just bad enough that I have to next 50+ times on average yet good enough that I can find it if I keep pressing the button?

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Bad loot is subjective and based on many factors. I would say it is bad due to perception, expectation or how you are playing the game. Not everyone experiences what you do perhaps listening to those who do not is in order.

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Why are walls so expensive?

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The walls are the grind of this game, this is part of video gaming the best part is the achievement is shouted out every time someone looks at your village.

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Why are players' time commitment a bigger factor in their strength than their overall strategic skill?

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Take on players of your own level and you will find commitment means nothing aside from having bragging rights. There is plenty of competition at your level at any time.

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Is this even a strategy game or a game of showing off how cool your base is?

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It is both and the player decides.

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Why can someone drop $11k real money to make their base stronger than the one Ive been working on for over ten months?

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Becuase they wish to compete at the highest level and their time is more valuable to them than money.

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These are the sort of questions that make me think the way I do.

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Noted and my answers should reflect why I think the way I do.

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Go ahead coathanger, ask me some questions about gameplay that is totally just for the players benefit and has nothing to do with increasing profits.

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Yes SC is a business and nearly everything can be explained away when looking at it from a profit stand point I get that. You've explained why I cannot question this in your next statement. I will say you can play out the game free of charge without investing a dime.

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I know this is an impossible question - as some features (just one example being the halloween graphical changes (and no other part of the update)) accomplish both player satisfaction and additional revenue (get players who quit to come back and check it out, give the game a fresh look etc).

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Thank you for your honesty

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So lets see, is there a single change that has shown the integrity of supercell? Ie has there ever been a change that clearly was for the betterment of gameplay while possibly hurting sc's recenue stream? I have yet to see one. And I can think of many potential changes that would fit this category. In the end of the day its all about the money no matter how you look at it.

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Hero nerf, loot penalties, free gems do not take that short list as the only changes falling under the category of changes that solely benefit the players.

Please guys. No need to spend an hour long worth of messages about a common topic. I see you tried hard on this thread, which is good. But you tried a bit too hard. People won't read all of that! At least I won't. Just some tips.
Dont be verbose, be acute with words. It makes you sound a whole lot smarter:)

back cm to the thread.... An easy way to fix it were for supercell to have players that are advocates for themselves...I believe the antonym of this is...lazy?