wreon's guide to 10,000 Dark Elixir (and dragon raiding)

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Originally Posted by Wreon

Do you have difficulty getting gold? ".

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. Is this a serious question?

I think a calmer response might prove the point.

The point is that by instructing people that may or may not know better to play this game, your giving bad advice on lightning strikes to collectors of any kind. Your reply might be to justify collecting enough for a barb king which is pretty much the last thing a TH7 needs to worry about.

I agree lightning will collect some dark elixir which is the reported "guide". I would suggest a more efficient means of doing by simply raising cups and raiding for it. There are loads of it above 1500 cups.

Heres a freebie, upgrade our mortars, wizards and your walls. Get your troops maxxed and learn to raid. .
There is your guide

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Originally Posted by PumpJacka

What don't I get about CoC, that you're here preaching noob logic to other noobs? Silly me, I forgot the forums are a noob's haven, how dare I interrupt with factual information - wasting gold for DE is worthwhile...hmm, ok.
I'm pretty sure I'm in one of the top farming clans out there. I really could care less about any of your long winded replies or your subtle jabs insinuating that I'm somehow angry. The only point I wanted to push through is that zapping DE stores is a gold-wasting tactic, if you and other noobs want to zap, go ahead.

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Why do you keep calling it a "gold wasting"?

Obviously, if the DE is exposed and the base is not too strong, I can raid by regular troops.
But lightning is still the most effective way of getting DE from strong bases, which have the highest chance of having tons of DE.

With 3 lvl 4 lightning spells at 60,000 gold, I can usually get around 500 to 1,000 DE. And I have gotten 1,500 to 2,000 on occasion.

So, say I use an average of 750 DE per 3 lightning, then it would cost about 800,000 Gold for a BK.

And 800K is relatively nothing when I just spent 3 million upgrading my two hidden teslas to level 3. And it would only take me 4 to 6 raids for 800k gold, but it would take me many more raids to get 10k DE without lightning spells.

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Originally Posted by BK1

The point is that by instructing people that may or may not know better to play this game, your giving bad advice on lightning strikes to collectors of any kind. Your reply might be to justify collecting enough for a barb king which is pretty much the last thing a TH7 needs to worry about.

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I totally disagree.
It is not a bad advice at all.

In fact, it is one of the best advice in getting DE from strong TH9 bases, which otherwise is impenetrable by TH7's troops.

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I would suggest a more efficient means of doing by simply raising cups and raiding for it. There are loads of it above 1500 cups.

Heres a freebie, upgrade our mortars, wizards and your walls. Get your troops maxxed and learn to raid. .
There is your guide

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More efficient?
I don't think so.

It can't get more efficient than lightning spells.

When I come across a strong TH9, normally, I would tap Next Match.
Now I can 3 lightning spell it and get out. Create more spells, and then go right back to regular attacks for Gold without a pause.

As I mentioned in the post above, it would only cost me about 600,000 to 800,000 gold for 10,000 DE.
You would need to spend a lot more in Elixir and more importantly, Time, to get that much DE using regular raiding.

And we, lightning spells user, do know how to raid, thank you.

Ok, let me rephrase again. If you are TH7 and really know how to raid, why are you TH7? No, wait for the skill of it.?

i was TH7 once as was many here. I welcome your post but want to encourage folks to take advice from folks that know what they are doing.

Bad advice period encouraging lightning for resources. Use it to kill a mortar, cc troops or air defense. COFC basics.

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Originally Posted by yesup

Why do you keep calling it a "gold wasting"?

Obviously, if the DE is exposed and the base is not too strong, I can raid by regular troops.
But lightning is still the most effective way of getting DE from strong bases, which have the highest chance of having tons of DE.

With 3 lvl 4 lightning spells at 60,000 gold, I can usually get around 500 to 1,000 DE. And I have gotten 1,500 to 2,000 on occasion.

So, say I use an average of 750 DE per 3 lightning, then it would cost about 800,000 Gold for a BK.

And 800K is relatively nothing when I just spent 3 million upgrading my two hidden teslas to level 3. And it would only take me 4 to 6 raids for 800k gold, but it would take me many more raids to get 10k DE without lightning spells.

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Do I really have to explain it to you? I know you can't quite grasp the economics here, even though you're trying really hard, but the reality is: Spending Gold for Lightning Spells (Maxed @ 22k) * 3 (for TH7s and TH8s) = 66k. If you just zap DE stores and do not raid any gold, you are losing money - plain and simple. You are implying that DE is more valuable than gold, yet it does not upgrade any buildings or defenses.

TH7s may feel safe with the imposed loot penalties, but it won't stop someone from 3-starring you if you pick on the wrong TH8/TH9. If it's worth it to you go ahead, but do so with the proper thought process behind it.

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Originally Posted by BK1

Ok, let me rephrase again. If you are TH7 and really know how to raid, why are you TH7? No, wait for the skill of it.?

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Why? Waiting for my TH7 to max. COFC basics.
What does it have to do with skills?

It takes time for my base to max without using gems, you know?

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I welcome your post but want to encourage folks to take advice from folks that know what they are doing.

Bad advice period encouraging lightning for resources. Use it to kill a mortar, cc troops or air defense. COFC basics.

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And I see nothing which shows that you know COC any better than the OP or you "know" what you are doing.

Use of lightning spells is a legitimate and a great way (and fastest way) to gain DE for TH7 troops.
Who says that it should only be used to kill mortar/wizard/cc troops/air defense???

I would keep giving advice to TH7 players to use Lightning spells to gain DE for the strong TH9 bases.
It works out great for me from my own experience.
It is a great advice because it works, and I do know what I am doing.

I promise you i know what I'm doing. Congratulations on not using gems for resources as thats actually good advice.

Im sure you won't listen to me but everything Ive said is accurate.

Keep up the good work and continual game genius .. You sold me..

I could see zapping DE stores as a casual player trying to get the BK at TH7. But after that first investment to buy the BK and AQ the value of DE drops off fast. And the reality is that it's easy to obtain DE incidentally with normal raiding above 1500 trophies more efficiently than with the gold dump of multiple lightning spells. Nor if it comes right down to it, does anyone really need the BK to raid effectively at TH7. At TH7 gold should be falling into your stores even if you cover your eyes and deploy troops blindly.

I've never gone out of my way to raid DE, nor am I raiding very hardcore these days and at a glance it looks like I'm around 2/3 of my way to the one million DE raided achievement. DE will be coming out of your ears at some point without good dumps aside from the questionable population cap value of DE troops.

Generally I agree with Pump that the ROI for lightning on DE is unfavorable. But for casual TH7 players trying to get that new toy to play with (the barb king) I can see it.

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Originally Posted by PumpJacka

Do I really have to explain it to you? I know you can't quite grasp the economics here, even though you're trying really hard, but the reality is: Spending Gold for Lightning Spells (Maxed @ 22k) * 3 (for TH7s and TH8s) = 66k.

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Did you even read the first post?

This post is for TH7 people only. TH8 has a drill, level 5 troops and other options.

TH7 can only has level 3 x lvl 4 lightning spells; i.e. only 60k

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If you just zap DE stores and do not raid any gold, you are losing money - plain and simple.

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So? Of course we know that.
I am just trading 60k gold for 1,000 DE - what's wrong with that?
Some people attacking me loses a lot more when they mess up their rage spells and expensive troops.

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You are implying that DE is more valuable than gold, yet it does not upgrade any buildings or defenses.

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Only the player can judge what is more valuable.
I think 600k gold for 10,000 DE for a BK is worth it, you may not. What's the point of arguing?

When we give this advice, the reader do know that this is the trade off, and individual gamer would be the judge whether this trading of gold for DE is for him/her or not.

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TH7s may feel safe with the imposed loot penalties, but it won't stop someone from 3-starring you if you pick on the wrong TH8/TH9. If it's worth it to you go ahead, but do so with the proper thought process behind it.

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It does not bother me at all being 3 starred. I only care about how much resource I lost.
And it would be very limited from TH9 attacks.

I hardly get any revenges from all my lightning spells raids anyways.

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

But after that first investment to buy the BK and AQ the value of DE drops off fast. And the reality is that it's easy to obtain DE incidentally with normal raiding above 1500 trophies more efficiently than with the gold dump of multiple lightning spells.

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Absolutely, this only applies to TH7. At TH8 or 9, DE should come with your regular raids.
For TH7, it is a bit of a struggle to tackle strong TH8 bases, let alone TH9.

Sure, I can raid weak TH8 or 9 bases, but they usually don't have too much DE available.

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Nor if it comes right down to it, does anyone really need the BK to raid effectively at TH7. At TH7 gold should be falling into your stores even if you cover your eyes and deploy toops blindly.

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Not, it is not a must. But it is nice to have a backup just to get over that 50%.
And since there is a lot of waiting around for upgrades, so getting DE at TH7 is just an extra challenge for me.