Elixir Usage on Wall Upgrade

Since the update of using elixir for wall upgrade, many bases become unattractive for raids. Many players need to spend longer time and more golds to find an attractive base, as economy pie has becomes smaller. Many players have faced difficulty to farm, especially elixir.

I noticed that there are more TH7 and 8 with higher level walls. I even noticed that a few bases with empty xbows although they are active (with busy builder and without tombstones at base). Besides, my defense log showed quite standard economic troop combination, with batch, wb and giants. This is quite lack of surprise and excitement from opponents in general, except for those players in higher leagues like master and champion as they are pushing for trophies.

All of us know that upgrading wall is a long long process. There are 250 walls for TH9 or 10. Even with both gold and elixir, it will not change the fact that wall upgrade needs a lot of resources. Just look at our own gold and elixir loot profile, compared to a single wall that needs more than 8.8 million resources to reach maximum level 11.

SuperSteve of Supercell did mention that they never removed inactive villages. Never have, never will. I trust this statement.

I have read many suggestions to solve the problem of poorer economy to attract more players with higher town hall to stay active in this game. These suggestions are including offer of gem boost for resources, increase the level of collectors, loot bonus in normal raids and war win bonus, decrease the cost of walls and 'nexting'. However, these seems to be hard to solve the current issue in long run, as many players will continue to dump gold and elixir in wall upgrade, to make their bases to be unfavourable target for resources.

Suggest that elixir for wall upgrade can only be done if there is still balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade. With this suggestion, it will not affect the TH8, 9 and 10 players according to the current maximum level and number of elixir storages, as well as level of town hall level required for a wall upgrade. TH7 players will be affected as they can only have 2 maximum elixir storages, hence the balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade can be adjusted to let say 3.5 million elixir, or restrict TH7 players to upgrade wall using elixir in order to encourage them to upgrade town hall to higher level. Th6 players are not affected as they can only upgrade their walls up to level 6.

Here are the benefits of this suggestion:

1. Supercell does not need to terminate the usage of elixir on walls.
2. The players will not have to waste elixir because of overflowing in elixir storages for some maxed bases except walls.
3. The suggestion has also considered the percentage lootable by town hall level, and the storage amount to reach cap. Hence, the number of attractive bases available out there perhaps will be back to a stage similar to pre-update level. More players will continue to enjoy this fantastic game from Supercell.

Thanks! Clash on!


A player with 2 accounts, i.e. TH8 and TH10

"Suggest that elixir for wall upgrade can only be done if there is still balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade."

All I needed to read. I agree that would be very helpful.. But considering my walls cost 3mil each, I'd rather it be more like 3mil remaining instead of 4mil. Don't worry, I'll still lose 400k in a battle if 100%'d.

Maybe there could be a mini-shield for like an hour after being attacked. I have been noticing a lot of inactive bases with low loot and tombstones all by the collectors. Maybe players are just resource raiding and ending the match before 40% thus leaving the base in queue to be attacked.

Ha no way. I enjoy not having loot available due to the 12% cap for attackers, and have no problems getting loot right now at th9. Once a resource hits 1.3 mil, i dump 1 mil to a wall.

And what, I need to hold 7 mil elixir to upgrade a lvl 10 wall? No thanks!

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Originally Posted by wylplaycoc

Since the update of using elixir for wall upgrade, many bases become unattractive for raids. Many players need to spend longer time and more golds to find an attractive base, as economy pie has becomes smaller. Many players have faced difficulty to farm, especially elixir.

I noticed that there are more TH7 and 8 with higher level walls. I even noticed that a few bases with empty xbows although they are active (with busy builder and without tombstones at base). Besides, my defense log showed quite standard economic troop combination, with batch, wb and giants. This is quite lack of surprise and excitement from opponents in general, except for those players in higher leagues like master and champion as they are pushing for trophies.

All of us know that upgrading wall is a long long process. There are 250 walls for TH9 or 10. Even with both gold and elixir, it will not change the fact that wall upgrade needs a lot of resources. Just look at our own gold and elixir loot profile, compared to a single wall that needs more than 8.8 million resources to reach maximum level 11.

SuperSteve of Supercell did mention that they never removed inactive villages. Never have, never will. I trust this statement.

I have read many suggestions to solve the problem of poorer economy to attract more players with higher town hall to stay active in this game. These suggestions are including offer of gem boost for resources, increase the level of collectors, loot bonus in normal raids and war win bonus, decrease the cost of walls and 'nexting'. However, these seems to be hard to solve the current issue in long run, as many players will continue to dump gold and elixir in wall upgrade, to make their bases to be unfavourable target for resources.

Suggest that elixir for wall upgrade can only be done if there is still balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade. With this suggestion, it will not affect the TH8, 9 and 10 players according to the current maximum level and number of elixir storages, as well as level of town hall level required for a wall upgrade. TH7 players will be affected as they can only have 2 maximum elixir storages, hence the balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade can be adjusted to let say 3.5 million elixir, or restrict TH7 players to upgrade wall using elixir in order to encourage them to upgrade town hall to higher level. Th6 players are not affected as they can only upgrade their walls up to level 6.

Here are the benefits of this suggestion:

1. Supercell does not need to terminate the usage of elixir on walls.
2. The players will not have to waste elixir because of overflowing in elixir storages for some maxed bases except walls.
3. The suggestion has also considered the percentage lootable by town hall level, and the storage amount to reach cap. Hence, the number of attractive bases available out there perhaps will be back to a stage similar to pre-update level. More players will continue to enjoy this fantastic game from Supercell.

Thanks! Clash on!


A player with 2 accounts, i.e. TH8 and TH10

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I dont think that this will work.

Most people are keeping their elixir low to make it in unattractive for others to raid them. Elixir can just be spent on troops such as mass dragons.

People maxing their bases as soon as possible will help as a) at higher levels upgrades cost more so more in storages b) there is less of a loot penalty ( or none at all)

Those that have maxed their bases including walls will have to start to stockpile the pink stuff eventually evening itself out at higher levels.

This is a long term plan which is not going to be resolved for a couple more months. After which i hope to see an equilibrium. Whether i will like this new equilibrium...... I don't know.

This is the best idea ever i have seen in this forum.
I strongly agree with you. One must have minimum 4mil elixir to be able to upgrade their wall.

Selfish people is all around. They use BARCH to raid 50k elixir and claim that "I DONT KNOW WHY I CAN FIND SO MUCH LOOT" and they spend 200k elixir onto walls every after raid making no loot for the rest.

This will avoid these people from doing it anymore, and get the elixir economy get back to the pre-update level.

This is definitely a good idea.

Frankly speaking, i have not much problem to loot with barch, wb and giants, even without heroes and spells, when economy is down. I used to play strategic games and can rearrange strategy to adapt to new change. My gold and elixir loot profile are above 900 million each for my TH10 account.

I just feel that why make more players to quit this game as they found too difficult to raid. Furthermore, many players are using boring barch to raid my base and others. We need fun and surprise, although some may feel pain. This make this game wonderful.

Before the update of using elixir for wall upgrade, aren't we just use gold for wall upgrade? With my suggestion, we are not totally terminate the usage of elixir on wall, but keep the economy run better with more elixir available for all players. At least we are not competing on a smaller pie. If there are more bases with rich elixir but poor gold and dark elixir, some players may still attack the base, as they need elixir for troops, elixir related building upgrades, and in lab, i.e. troops and spells upgrades.

I also realize that there are many semi active bases. The owners just dump gold and elixir resources collected from gold mines and elixir collectors on wall upgrade. We don't want some active players gain nothing or very less from their raids, while semi active players just collect resources for solely wall upgrade. How to motivate more players to play this game if this situation continues to happen?

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Originally Posted by wylplaycoc

Since the update of using elixir for wall upgrade, many bases become unattractive for raids. Many players need to spend longer time and more golds to find an attractive base, as economy pie has becomes smaller. Many players have faced difficulty to farm, especially elixir.

I noticed that there are more TH7 and 8 with higher level walls. I even noticed that a few bases with empty xbows although they are active (with busy builder and without tombstones at base). Besides, my defense log showed quite standard economic troop combination, with batch, wb and giants. This is quite lack of surprise and excitement from opponents in general, except for those players in higher leagues like master and champion as they are pushing for trophies.

All of us know that upgrading wall is a long long process. There are 250 walls for TH9 or 10. Even with both gold and elixir, it will not change the fact that wall upgrade needs a lot of resources. Just look at our own gold and elixir loot profile, compared to a single wall that needs more than 8.8 million resources to reach maximum level 11.

SuperSteve of Supercell did mention that they never removed inactive villages. Never have, never will. I trust this statement.

I have read many suggestions to solve the problem of poorer economy to attract more players with higher town hall to stay active in this game. These suggestions are including offer of gem boost for resources, increase the level of collectors, loot bonus in normal raids and war win bonus, decrease the cost of walls and 'nexting'. However, these seems to be hard to solve the current issue in long run, as many players will continue to dump gold and elixir in wall upgrade, to make their bases to be unfavourable target for resources.

Suggest that elixir for wall upgrade can only be done if there is still balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade. With this suggestion, it will not affect the TH8, 9 and 10 players according to the current maximum level and number of elixir storages, as well as level of town hall level required for a wall upgrade. TH7 players will be affected as they can only have 2 maximum elixir storages, hence the balance of minimum 4 million elixir in storages after any wall upgrade can be adjusted to let say 3.5 million elixir, or restrict TH7 players to upgrade wall using elixir in order to encourage them to upgrade town hall to higher level. Th6 players are not affected as they can only upgrade their walls up to level 6.

Here are the benefits of this suggestion:

1. Supercell does not need to terminate the usage of elixir on walls.
2. The players will not have to waste elixir because of overflowing in elixir storages for some maxed bases except walls.
3. The suggestion has also considered the percentage lootable by town hall level, and the storage amount to reach cap. Hence, the number of attractive bases available out there perhaps will be back to a stage similar to pre-update level. More players will continue to enjoy this fantastic game from Supercell.

Thanks! Clash on!


A player with 2 accounts, i.e. TH8 and TH10

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I was thinking of an overflow (tanks full) going into a wall spending account but this seems like an better solution. +1

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Originally Posted by Lannister

Ha no way. I enjoy not having loot available due to the 12% cap for attackers, and have no problems getting loot right now at th9. Once a resource hits 1.3 mil, i dump 1 mil to a wall.

And what, I need to hold 7 mil elixir to upgrade a lvl 10 wall? No thanks!

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Wish you take much more than 2 weeks to upgrade all 4 army camps to maximum levels, while you are in TH10, if you dare to come to TH10 now and use no gems for resources or barracks boosting.