Reluctance to help Honey Popcorn

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Originally Posted by DanielHan

its the intention of the person flagging them. im not talking about the people having to fill them but the owner of the boat themselves. what sort of mindset do they have except with the intention of imposing on others. if they think those sugar and syrup is nothing, then why not fill those themselves? if they know the sugar and syrup are precious because they're needed in so many items, they wouldnt flag them in the first place. its beyond me as to why you keep defend the people flagging those crates. when i call THEM inconsiderate you turn the table and talk about how WE dont have to fill them or look at them or entertain them. remember, i'm talking about the people flagging, not the people filling.

its ok we dont see eye to eye but there really isnt a point to continue to argue since we're not on the same wavelength, so i will talk to people who understand what im talking about instead.

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Daniel, I think your differences lie in the different definitions you have of the word imposition. Something is really only an imposition, when the person feels an obligation to do it. If they don't do the thing, they feel they will be criticized or thought less of. Certain social customs we grow up with usually decide what we are obligated to do. When we don't want to do those things they are an imposition. Some of us feel we have to do these things, when others don't feel the same obligation.

Frankly when one of my best neighbors who have helped me a lot or just befriended me, flags a hard crate, I jump to fill it. To me that is the ultimate thank you. I feel good when I can fill a cream crate for one of these folks. I have a barn buddy who has given me bolts without anything in trade. She never asks for a thing. So when she flags a boat, which is rare, I'll give my last item to her. It makes me feel good to do something for her. To me that's not an imposition.

But I will agree with you that I get annoyed when the same neighbors always flag hard boats. Not because I feel imposed upon, but because I like the feeling I get from helping with a crate. It's all about me then. I'd like to be able to help more and sometimes I feel like they are depriving me of that because I don't have what they need. However with these more casual acquaintances, I don't feel obliged to go hunting the DD for items to fill their crates and I won't give my last items as willingly as I will the first person I mentioned. Does that make sense? Anyway, it's just what I think.

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Originally Posted by Janilee

You can't know what they are thinking. They may think they are doing people a favor, giving them the option of getting boat crates points and XP.

In other threads discussing flagging crates, some high level players have said they flag crates on boats they have no intention of filling. They don't care about boats any more, but they'll flag crates for anyone who wants to fill them.

They've also shared their theories on how they pick which crates to flag. Some pick one of each. Some pick what they think is the easiest. Some pick the ones with the most points.

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Janilee, thanks for reminding me of this. I remember those threads. Sometimes I will cast off a boat I might be able to do because I just don't have the time to go fishing or hunt for the eggs etc. I Will usually flag the last three crates for others to get the boat points even if I can do them, but I haven't been flagging boats I don't intend to fill. It just seemed messy, to leave a boat out overnight. I'll try to remember to flag the produce ones or egg crates. I remember the run up to BSH 3. Those 50 diamonds were lovely

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

Darcelle, I don't know if folks are pretending they don't exist or if they prefer to think the best of people.

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The problem with rose-colored glasses is they can blur your perception of reality.

I'm not going to argue what amounts to a choice each individual has to make for themselves in order to function in life. My issue with it arises when I point out possibilities that go against what someone wants to believe. I'm not inherently wrong just because they don't want to accept it, but such suggestions will often be dismissed and it is infuriating.

Regardless, it is statistically impossible for there to not be 'jerks' playing Hay Day.

What I don't get, is how putting a totally ignorable help sign on a crate can be considered anything but playing the game as it was designed.

Who is forcing you to help these crates?

I put help signs up all the time, on various crates. If I've decided to fill a cream order then I might flag cream crates while I am trying to fill them. If they get filled that saves me hours of production and is so helpful, hopefully I can return the favour somehow - and thus the game is played as designed. (Maybe I am left with extra cream and can help someone else, so we both get a quicker filling boat, win win win) If no one helps me, so be it! I cannot remove the flag. I can keep trying to fill them myself. I can decide not to worry if I don't. If I see someone else needs crates filled and i cannot fill them, I dont! Where is the imposition?

Unless..... Maybe you are in a NH or farmer co-op where you have made some sort of rule, maybe unspoken even?, that you always must help etc? Or you want to keep on their good side? But this is a rule of your own choice, so you are making your own problems.

Don't call other people inconsiderate because you have imposed upon yourself.


(Having said that, I have a personal preference to skip various types of boats, but if I decide to fill one, don't call me inconsiderate!)

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

Daniel, I think your differences lie in the different definitions you have of the word imposition. Something is really only an imposition, when the person feels an obligation to do it. If they don't do the thing, they feel they will be criticized or thought less of. Certain social customs we grow up with usually decide what we are obligated to do. When we don't want to do those things they are an imposition. Some of us feel we have to do these things, when others don't feel the same obligation.

Frankly when one of my best neighbors who have helped me a lot or just befriended me, flags a hard crate, I jump to fill it. To me that is the ultimate thank you. I feel good when I can fill a cream crate for one of these folks. I have a barn buddy who has given me bolts without anything in trade. She never asks for a thing. So when she flags a boat, which is rare, I'll give my last item to her. It makes me feel good to do something for her. To me that's not an imposition.

But I will agree with you that I get annoyed when the same neighbors always flag hard boats. Not because I feel imposed upon, but because I like the feeling I get from helping with a crate. It's all about me then. I'd like to be able to help more and sometimes I feel like they are depriving me of that because I don't have what they need. However with these more casual acquaintances, I don't feel obliged to go hunting the DD for items to fill their crates and I won't give my last items as willingly as I will the first person I mentioned. Does that make sense? Anyway, it's just what I think.

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It makes perfect sense! :)
That is just how it goes.

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Originally Posted by pitchfork

What I don't get, is how putting a totally ignorable help sign on a crate can be considered anything but playing the game as it was designed.

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so i take it that you're the kind who plays the game as intended and think that raiding and stalking is part of the game design? cuz afterall these people are only doing what the game intends them to do, that is to buy from roadside shops? then tell whatever you're telling me to those who MIND about being raided cuz there are plenty. tell them "who's forcing you to see it as stalking? you should be glad people are buying from you!"

The difference between 'raiding' and raising a flag is that 'raiding' is something that can hurt you, something that affects your game and over which you have no control. A flag cannot hurt your game - you are in total control of your own responses.

I understand how constant flags for difficult things could be tiresome, tedious, unfun....and obviously you have encountered a couple of players that riled you with requests, but really, you cannot dislike someone seeking help, especially in the daily dirt, whatever the product. :) That is most definitely a feature of the game.

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

Something is really only an imposition, when the person feels an obligation to do it.

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why would i feel obligated to do it? whether or not you're imposing on someone should start with the person doing it and not someone at the receiving end, no? for example i say, tigg, lend me a thousand bucks. you will feel imposed on because you dont really wanna lend me the money BUT on my part i shouldnt even be asking you for the money in the first place. i would think, would i wanna impose on my friends? how would they feel? is borrowing from my friend the only choice? what about i think of other solutions such as taking a part time job? but of course i do not expect everyone to think like me and this is only a game but you get the drift.

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Originally Posted by pitchfork

The difference between 'raiding' and raising a flag is that 'raiding' is something that can hurt you, something that affects your game and over which you have no control. A flag cannot hurt your game - you are in total control of your own responses.

I understand how constant flags for difficult things could be tiresome, tedious, unfun....and obviously you have encountered a couple of players that riled you with requests, but really, you cannot dislike someone seeking help, especially in the daily dirt, whatever the product. :) That is most definitely a feature of the game.

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how can raiding hurt you? its only a game and its not like you can get physically injured. i could argue that. to me, flagging and being stalked is the same, its annoyance but on different level. when someone who's level 80 flags 3 crates of cream for help but on the trading thread i just saw that she actually has plenty cream but shes using them for trading instead, obviously i wont help her but it doesnt just stop there. it makes you wonder what sort of selfish person she is.

I flag cream crates - or other dairy, sugar, fish stuff - I may flag even if I have 100+ of them in barn.
I flag, knowing that someone WILL fill it even if it asks 15 of it. Eventually...
When someone comes and fills the crate I know they fill because they want to do it. (If their finger slipped and they filled accidentally, good for them: lesson learned :p )
So both party is happy at the end.

I treat every boats the same, I flag the ones that I will have the hardest time with. If there are more than 3 crates of struggle I do cast the boat off.