Multiplayer rebalance - stop matching by trophies and do it by overall base value

Anytime I log off I know I'm going to be attacked, which is fine.

The issue is that some guys will purposely throw matches to lower their trophy count then wreak havoc on the lower players. So if I am saving up for something big ... overnight or while I am at work, one or several of these guys are going to come in and clean me out.

Last night I had a lvl 1270+ come wipe out my 1050 base. But he was not just a 1270+, he had a bunch of stuff so high level I did not even recognize it. Walked through my base like it was butter.

And I know it goes both ways. I've been the guy that does that to others as well. Not my fault. Not the guy that wiped me outs fault, that's just the system.

Doing it by town hall doesn't help either because someone could have fully upgraded everything they have to max allowable level and still have a town hall of lvl 6. So when they come to a guy with a level 7 or 8 TH that upgraded just to get more walls or "cool, new units", or whatever, they are still a lot more powerful and can wipe their base out. Yes, you can avoid over upgrading the TH if you know this from the start but most people don't get into the game with that knowledge up front and there is no recourse to go down a TH level. So once you are up, you are stuck.

Point is, I think it would be more reasonable to rank people based on the amount of gold & elixr they have spent on their base in total, vs the trophy level since that can be easily manipulated.

You realise this would completly ruin the game for everyone at th9?

It would take weeks to raid enough for every sinle upgrade unless you have very deep pockets, everyone would quit.

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Originally Posted by XenapZ

You realise this would completly ruin the game for everyone at th9?

It would take weeks to raid enough for every sinle upgrade unless you have very deep pockets, everyone would quit.

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You think people don't quit because higher level guys comes in and beat them daily taking everything they are trying to save up?

I'm not saying no TH9 would go up against a TH8 (or TH7) because some people upgrade differently. I'm basing it on the overall base spend, which would make it a lot more even than the trophies.

Yeah if it takes a TH9 guy that has spent a bazillion $'s already with level 11 everything a little more time to get an upgrade so that the lower level guys don't get crushed daily, I'm OK with that. And if a person is up that high already they probably have a lot of time invested, which means they probably won't just quit if the game gets more challenging for them.

And it should get more challenging, not easier.



I just don't think the prevailing strategy should have to be "Let me purposely lose so I can go pillage low ranked guys".

I agree with what you have said and I always get smashed by people a lot higher level than me and its just not fair.
I think people should be matched based on their actual level which makes it a lot fairer since both people have had the same time playing the game

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Originally Posted by greylock

Anytime I log off I know I'm going to be attacked, which is fine.

The issue is that some guys will purposely throw matches to lower their trophy count then wreak havoc on the lower players. So if I am saving up for something big ... overnight or while I am at work, one of these guys is going to come in and clean me out.

Last night I had a lvl 1270+ come wipe out my 1050 base. But he was not just a 1270+, he had a bunch of stuff so high level I did not even recognize it. Walked through my base like it was butter.

And I know it goes both ways. I've been the guy that does that to others as well. Not my fault. Not the guy that wiped me outs fault, that's just the system.

Doing it by town hall doesn't help either because someone could have fully upgraded everything they have to level 11 and still have a town hall of lvl 6. So when they come to a guy with a level 7 or 8 TH that upgraded just to get more walls, or whatever, they are still a lot more powerful and can wipe their base out. Yes, if you knew perfect strategy you could avoid over upgrading the TH but most people don't get into the game with that knowledge up front and there is no recourse to go down a TH level. SO once you are up, you are stuck.

Point is, I think it would be more reasonable to rank people base on the amount of gold & elixr they have spent on their base in total, vs the trophy level since that can be easily manipulated.

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Loot is far easier to acquire at low levels, and upgrades are a tiny fraction of the cost to boot. Trust me, it does get more challenging (or at least much more time consuming) as you upgrade TH past 7.

Even if your base gets 3-starred, the max you're going to lose is 20% of your savings, if its a TH well above yours it will be significantly less. That is an amount you can easily make back in a couple raids plus collector production. The matchmaking is fine as it currently is, thanks to shields, loot penalties and limits on storage loot available. Low level players are given very ample protection from losing too much gold/elix to players well above their power level.

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Originally Posted by greylock

Doing it by town hall doesn't help either because someone could have fully upgraded everything they have to level 11 and still have a town hall of lvl 6.

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Well, that's news to me.

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Originally Posted by MintberryCrunch

Loot is far easier to acquire at low levels, and upgrades are a tiny fraction of the cost to boot. Trust me, it does get more challenging (or at least much more time consuming) as you upgrade TH past 7.

Even if your base gets 3-starred, the max you're going to lose is 20% of your savings, if its a TH well above yours it will be significantly less. That is an amount you can easily make back in a couple raids plus collector production. The matchmaking is fine as it currently is, thanks to shields, loot penalties and limits on storage loot available. Low level players are given very ample protection from losing too much gold/elix to players well above their power level.



Well, that's news to me.

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If I get 3 starred I can lose 25% of what is in storage and 1/2 of what is in the collectors. Which is a pretty large chunk. Up to 200K gold which with my collectors running at full capacity I will not get back during the 12H shield. And that's if I get the shield. If they raid and I don't get the shield I can get wiped out big time. This makes it VERY hard to save up $ for large purchases but that is not the principal I am against. I'm against allowing the guys that have armies that are twice as strong/expensive coming into a base and totally destroying it just because they "threw" a few games.

I was overstating everything at level 11 with TH6. Point is that you can have one person at TH6 that has only upgraded the TH to get more walls and everything else is minimal. Or you can have a guy with a TH6 that has maxed out his upgrades everywhere. Those bases and armies are going to look VERY different. So when they clash it is going to be a slaughter. Yeah the first guy went about it the wrong way but most people starting out wanting to upgrade the TH quickly because that is the path for getting new (hopefully better) units. So there are a lot of people with high TH's but overall weak bases. If we judged them by overall spend they would not get lumped in with the mega base guys who purposely throw several games just to move down so they can have an easy slaughter.

Again, I'm not talking about preventing people from getting cleaned out. It's just not fun when you do get cleaned out and go to get some revenge and their base has twice the level of all of your stuff so an attack would be pointless.

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Even if your base gets 3-starred, the max you're going to lose is 20% of your savings, if its a TH well above yours it will be significantly less. That is an amount you can easily make back in a couple raids plus collector production. The matchmaking is fine as it currently is, thanks to shields, loot penalties and limits on storage loot available. Low level players are given very ample protection from losing too much gold/elix to players well above their power level. ]

FALSE.

You only lose 20% at a time. But I get attacked non-stop. It's all gone when I wake up. Nearly half a million coin and elixir. That took many days to produce, and I'll never be able to save that much again, because I'll just be ripped off before it can add up.

Can't make it up in raids. I'm not that high-level, but I got 400+ trophies dumped on me. That means the higher-level players get matched to me and rip me off, while I get matched to backwater dumps with 0-30 trophies and 400 coin and elixir available. I can dump 3-5 trophies at a time, and people are dumping 20-25 trophies on me while ripping off all my resources.

Most attacker don't even have the courtesy to leave me a shield.

If it was just once in a while, I'd put up with it. But it's been non-stop. I can save enough to upgrade a few bricks at a time. I can't even save enough to buy more defenses, or upgrade the ones I've got.

If things don't calm down in the next week, I'm erasing both my villages.

I fully agree. My village was once attacked by a level 80 when I was level 20. Luckily, they one. Other times, people intentionally take as much as tthey can and then quit the battle before I quit: I've seen it happen plenty of times. Then I am attacked 8 times in two hours, losing 1.3 million gold and 800,000 elixir. Completely unfair. This will also help newer players to continue playing instead of quitting because they are being attacked by level 80s and stuff. Then, if the level 80s are like "Oh noes! This game is fair now, and I cant just go and steal from the newbies! Now I have to act like my level and stuff, and the game will be more equalized! I'm going to quit!" Well, that's their choice.
I'm sure people will find ways to go around this, but... hopefully that will take a little while.
Of course, then leagues and stuff would have to be revised a bit... And everything Trophy.

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Originally Posted by greylock

If I get 3 starred I can lose 25% of what is in storage and 1/2 of what is in the collectors. Which is a pretty large chunk. Up to 200K gold which with my collectors running at full capacity I will not get back during the 12H shield. And that's if I get the shield. If they raid and I don't get the shield I can get wiped out big time. This makes it VERY hard to save up $ for large purchases but that is not the principal I am against. I'm against allowing the guys that have armies that are twice as strong/expensive coming into a base and totally destroying it just because they "threw" a few games.

I was overstating everything at level 11 with TH6. Point is that you can have one person at TH6 that has only upgraded the TH to get more walls and everything else is minimal. Or you can have a guy with a TH6 that has maxed out his upgrades everywhere. Those bases and armies are going to look VERY different. So when they clash it is going to be a slaughter. Yeah the first guy went about it the wrong way but most people starting out wanting to upgrade the TH quickly because that is the path for getting new (hopefully better) units. So there are a lot of people with high TH's but overall weak bases. If we judged them by overall spend they would not get lumped in with the mega base guys who purposely throw several games just to move down so they can have an easy slaughter.

Again, I'm not talking about preventing people from getting cleaned out. It's just not fun when you do get cleaned out and go to get some revenge and their base has twice the level of all of your stuff so an attack would be pointless.

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No you can lose up to 20% of what is in storage. You seem to have a major problem with facts. It's clear from this statement and the other nonsense level everything to level 11 comment that you edited out, that you have no idea how this game works at all.

It makes total sense that the next town hall would attack the previous one. It works that way all the way down. If you are TH6 or TH7 and you cannot make enough gold to upgrade your buildings, you are doing something wrong. You should easily be able to fill your 2m or 4m gold storage capacity within a few hours of raiding. Losing 200k is nothing. Losing 1m for you should be nothing. Quite honestly you should be swimming in gold.

You should be complaining that you are swimming in loot because you don't have enough builders and that the build times are too long. You quite literally are in the game's sweet spot for loot and you still can't make it. This says a lot about the player and a lot less about the game.

some slight changes would be nice. What puzzled me to begin with is how trophy count and townhall level are not related. This i think should have been set in the beginning. Its really skewed because players can have high level townhalls and low numbers of trophies, allowing them to easily defeat lower level players. I personally have lowered my trophy count because as I got to 1300, everyone was 2+ TH levels above me, impossible to raid. This may not be the exact method for balance, but definitely some adjusting would help.