Enough loot after 15 years ...

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Originally Posted by Pooland

This is very interesting statistic and piece of trivia, so thanks for taking the time to look-up/ do the calculations.
Does anyone know what lvl a person would be after completely maxing out base and lab? I can assume it would be lowered than a persons actual since exp. is gained in other ways? Also I wonder what the calculation is if it is assumed that a person uses elixir to upgrade walls after lvl 6. I assume elixer is in surplus since the hypothetical is not looting or waring.
Also there is a dead loss from people who have given up, as their bases are constantly being re-shielded/ not fully taken advantage of, and thus their mines are overflowing. I guess that would include active players who let there mines fill up. Also, traps are reset using resources.
As I said initially, cool trivia, like to know more..

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I have not reached TH10, so I do not know.
The calculation doesn't include walls upgrades with elixer. It would be impossible to add that, with loses on defense, rearming towers and traps.
Mines do not overflow. A base is shielded for maximum of 16 hours. 16 x 3000 = 48000. This amount x 6, assuming abandoned bases are not likely TH10. So 288000 gold could be generated. When all mines are full, you can gain max 75000 per mine, so 450000.

Most abandoned bases do not have max level mines. These mines overflow very quickly. It takes 50 hours to overflow a max level mine. While a level 1 takes only 2,5 hours, after that all gold is gone.

Haha, my friend has 12 attacks won but he is a level 76, he says he is a "clashafist." I showed him this, and he quit the game.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

In real life people structure statics to say what they want. Don't be offended by it. I live in the US and our government is incredible at statistically proving points that are utter bull♥♥♥♥.

I also think this guy did great. His point is not bull♥♥♥♥ at all, its quite true. It kind of cool seeing the math so I appreciate him taking the time.

But also I am going to just keep playing like I have been.

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Thanks for the kind words. To bad statistics are used often to manipulate. I think it's done everywhere, not just the US. Also here in the Netherlands. But I believe that education, understanding is important.

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Originally Posted by metroickha

To Messi: There are indeed other ways to obtain gold. But this is still not near enough. If you have 1 player in this game to max out everything. It takes 15 years. If you add another player, then the AVERAGE is still about 15 years for both to max out. If you add another million players, then the AVERAGE is still about 15 years for all to max out.

To Den: That was not the point. How are you able to loot if there is not enough gold generated? The game is roughly two years old. If the game has 10 million players, then 52,560,000 x 10 million = 525,600,000,000,000 gold is generated (exclusing league bonus, boosts, war bonus, gems). With this amount of gold there would be only 182,804 maxed out TH10, leaving all the rest at TH1.

To King: There is enough to say about your reply, but I'll just say "Grow up". You clearly did not understand the post. What grade did you get for math? The game is 2 years old. IF 10 million players started with 7 maxed out gold mines, THEN 525,600,000,000,000 gold is generated until now (excluding gemming, wars, league and boots). Only 182,804 would have maxed out TH10, leaving the rest all TH1. It took you roughly 1 year to max out TH9. So, you are only half way of the amount of gold you need. Means you atleast need 1 more year. Abandoned bases help, but will NEVER be enough for all current players and new players.

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It's exactly like a pyramid scheme, this is actually illegal. And its illegal because when I spend my hard earned money to make my base better, others can STEAL my hard earned money in the form of Gold and Elixir which makes this even worse. And the cycle grows, for that person to successfully upgrade his base, he needs other players to raid because if he didn have someone else to steal from HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT 15 YEARS TO BUILD HIS BASE....In other words, EACH PERSON THAT COMES IN TO THIS GAME IS HOW OTHERS UPGRADE faster than 15 years. Add to this the people that spend real life money against others who don't makes it a pyramid scheme. The only way for person one to get RICH or Get gold is at the expense of someone else. Now if real money wasn't a factor, sure, that's just bad luck for whoever plays this game. But that's not case here.


Ofc this is my decision and nobody forced me into it, but it is a subliminal message, all people who want to make a business and real life money do it to feed peoples egos and at the same time, rob them of their money.


They know this. That's why the game was made in the first place. It certainly wasn't meant to create fun, just cloud the reality in the form of a game. It's all about EGO and SC play on this ego of people. And it should be illegal.


Matter of fact, this is how the world works ever since the Federal Reserve came into existence.


SC know this and so do many other evil corporations. Playing on kids egos. They don't care about you, they just want your money, they don't care how you obtain it, they want it. It is this way because life revolves around money and it really doesn't have to. Everyone is preprogrammed to think you need to have a better looking car than someone else, its all PURELY STATUS.


Eventually everything you ever bought will end up back into a bank. All money is created out of debt because of inflation. This ensures all money goes back to the banks and everyone loses their house/job. And if you can't work or have anywhere to live, what will you do? What they want you to do, die and leave whats left of the natural resources to the TOP 1%. Even SC will be controlled by the banks now, I guarantee it.


Riot games are the kings of ripping people off. They even make world championships like it matters to people but the real intention is to advertise the game via streams/word of mouth, make it bigger and act as if it's good for the world. You think its entertainment, but to them all you are is MONEY. Entertainment is money and people are led to believe that people behind entertainment for money aren't bad people. And they'd be wrong.


If money never existed, do you think we'd still have entertainment? OFC we would. Matter of fact, if money never existed and everyone worked together for a common purpose, we'd be seeding other planets in our solar system by now. The world is set on a path of destruction on purpose and we don't make breakthroughs in medicine or anything useful to us because of money....


Now in the world we live in today, if SC really cared about you, they would make it fun for all and let us boost for 1 gem, but they are GREEEDY as all he11. Not 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 but 11 GEMS to boost 1 pump/mine for 24hrs. The reason they let us boost for 1 gem occasionally is NOT because they care about us, its because they've found out that to boost for 1 gem you need to buy a package of gems and once the boost is over, you are left with gems in your account that you didn't need.


Imagine how much more "MONEY" they would make if it were 1 gem forever? TEN TIMES WHAT THEY MAKE NOW! And EVERYONE IS HAPPY.


There is a graph that looks something like this.


Homeless/Poor/Get By/MiddleClass/Rich $1m+/Richer $1b+/TOP 1% The rest of the money in the world. Multiple trillions....


Now everyone on CoC starts at "GET BY".


The top 1% of the richest families in the world comes to a handful.
Get By/MiddleClass are in the Billions.


SC is basically throwing this money away and aiming for MiddleClass/Rich/Richer/Top 1% LEAVING OUT BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO MANAGE TO "GET BY" IN LIFE.


That's a lot of lost "MONEY" right there. If only SC would stop being greedy and make everyone happy.


Don't get me wrong, the developers are probably just getting by too, believe me they don't make the money the founders or COs do. They are paid a wage like everyone else i ntheir company. They are also pawns. So are the mods and everyone else here who don't get the big picture.


/rant

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Originally Posted by hawdog

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I am not going to reply on everytime, but I appreciate your response. About the mines, it takes 25 days to break even the upgrade cost, while upgrading it does not generate resources. The upgrade time would be 5 days, means 360000 resources are not generated. So about 30 days are added upon the 25 days. And that's just 1 out of 7.

With the pyramid construction, there would still be not enough gold for all active players. If you make an average of 40 attacks a day, you will need a 20:1 inactive:active ratio(12h shields) . That means if only about 5% of all players are active, then there would be enough loot for everyone.

I am explaining why there is so less loot, of course abandoned bases do not care, but still from global resource perspective, there wouldn't be enough loot. How many maxed bases would there be? Just looking at the top player list, there are very few.

Working harder? If you spend 12 hours per day, and find less loot while I am just spending 4 hours per day, then you worked harder, and I expect you should progress faster. With the loot problems, spending more time does not always result into what you would expect. For example boosting barracks at moments where you find zero loot, that is torture.

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Originally Posted by metroickha

1. Total ​costThe total amount of gold required to max out everything is 2,875,201,950.
7 maxed out gold mines generate 7*3,000*24 = 504,000 per day.
It takes 5704 days (15 years) to break even!!!!


2. Global resources
People will comment on point one: "I am farming. So it doesn't take 15 years."
Understand that EVERY player will need 2,875,201,950 gold.
If you attack, then you take away resources from someone else.
So every attack you do, is slowing down a different player.


3. Consumption bigger than production
As long as the consumption is bigger than the production, there will ALWAYS be a shortage.


4. Increase levels of collectors is no solution
Every level of collector will only delay the recovery process. If a new level will increase the production with 500 and the upgrade costs are 300,000. It takes up 25 days to break even!


5. Endless nexting
Nexting cost gold. Gold is lost forever. And only if you WIN the battle then you might break even with the league bonus. Gold is lost with billions of nexting by millions of players. The gold is lost, thus players can no longer loot this!


6. Excessive resources
If you have full gold storages, then STOP attacking! All gold from the next battle is lost forever, including the league bonus! This also means there will be less gold available for all players.


Conclusion
There has never been enough gold in the game for all the active players to max out everything! Every time we press the next button, gold is lost, thus less gold available to loot.


Solution
Wait 15 years.
Buy $12,000 dollars worth of gems.
Try to find loot, knowing you are slowing down other players.
Quit playing.

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Very detailed but why is this in ideas and feature requests?:p

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Originally Posted by metroickha

1. Total ​costThe total amount of gold required to max out everything is 2,875,201,950.
7 maxed out gold mines generate 7*3,000*24 = 504,000 per day.
It takes 5704 days (15 years) to break even!!!!


2. Global resources
People will comment on point one: "I am farming. So it doesn't take 15 years."
Understand that EVERY player will need 2,875,201,950 gold.
If you attack, then you take away resources from someone else.
So every attack you do, is slowing down a different player.


3. Consumption bigger than production
As long as the consumption is bigger than the production, there will ALWAYS be a shortage.


4. Increase levels of collectors is no solution
Every level of collector will only delay the recovery process. If a new level will increase the production with 500 and the upgrade costs are 300,000. It takes up 25 days to break even!


5. Endless nexting
Nexting cost gold. Gold is lost forever. And only if you WIN the battle then you might break even with the league bonus. Gold is lost with billions of nexting by millions of players. The gold is lost, thus players can no longer loot this!


6. Excessive resources
If you have full gold storages, then STOP attacking! All gold from the next battle is lost forever, including the league bonus! This also means there will be less gold available for all players.


Conclusion
There has never been enough gold in the game for all the active players to max out everything! Every time we press the next button, gold is lost, thus less gold available to loot.


Solution
Wait 15 years.
Buy $12,000 dollars worth of gems.
Try to find loot, knowing you are slowing down other players.
Quit playing.

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this is ridiculous because so many players buy gold and gems, so they aren't stealing it from other bases, and also they may not use it all, and thus bringing gold back to the system. No person in the right mind is going to max out a base without buying resources in some way. What about boosting collectors? What about the thousands of bases with hundreds of thousands of resources that the person abandoned anyway? What what single player missions, that is free gold? Your theory has a lot of holes. Bye

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Originally Posted by Andrew634

this is so not true I am maxed out I have stolen 680 million gold and I have only been playing for 1.5 year so my collectors couldn't have accumilated that much in 1.5 years to account for the 2 trillion gold you said it takes to max out it does not take that much to max out and no to mention the gold people have stolen from me so I haven't gained 680 million gold because I lost some too from people raiding me and I have never gemmed

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He is talking about if you never boosted, never got war bonus, and never raided. Of course no one is going to play the game and never do those things so its not meant to be a real situation. it was just an interesting piece of math and nice of him to take the trouble of figuring it out and posting for the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

He is talking about if you never boosted, never got war bonus, and never raided. Of course no one is going to play the game and never do those things so its not meant to be a real situation. it was just an interesting piece of math and nice of him to take the trouble of figuring it out and posting for the rest of us.

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I never raided, I never went to war, I only boosted and played other games...I literally never raided anyone for 3 months just came collected upgraded if I could. I only started raiding because I was spending too much money only for people to steal it...I figured it out late but I figured it out none-the-less.