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yes, thats what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clorber
they have to know the solution , because it went from good to bad over night for me anyway, at a certain point, after that one update that made it possible to use elixir for walls. thats when it changed from fun, to a grind. and when something becomes a chore, it and doesn't have to be achieved in already daily grind of life...., it gets pushed aside for other things in life.
im hardly hanging on, today after about 9 days i FINALLY got barbs into the lab. ive had the lab since the loot went scarce. i did archers first, lightning next and now barbs. prior, i kept the lab busy while i upgraded defenses, there was no lack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romedog
we dont war much anymore because no one wants to waste their elixir.
so, it is falling apart
I just hit th9 and I do find loot.... it just tends to come in the form of collector raids. Almost everyone is broke it seems like.
simple solution supercell fill my storgaes while i,m ofline as i have zero concept of economics and have no idea what these implementatoins would actually cause on a macro level, also i'm a th8 so the fan hasn't even begun to blow the s*** my way yetQuote:
Originally Posted by hogtastic
Man this guy is really firing on all "classic clueless players" cylinders todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Hogtastic
Loot has been okay-ish lately. It's really been hit or miss for me.
Personally, I think that level 12 collectors would help...
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Originally Posted by FlyAutumn
Mostly miss for me. However, I did just find an inactive TH10 after about 10 nexts. Got 200K each and 1900 DE. Haven't seen an inactive like that in probably a month with my TH10 camp. I wish that would keep up!!
Lol. So you hold SC in the same regard, right? I mean, they had to know that elixer for walls would break the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goobers
I don't even know this is still being discussed. It's a huge problem. No need to look at data, no need to do any other ♥♥. That update broke the game.
They should have reversed it after the first week. The fact that they didn't tells you all you need to know about their mindset. End thread. There is no point for this thread. They aren't listening and don't care. And I won't sit here and listen to anyone who says they do. They would have axed that stupid, game breaking.update if they cared. Fact. So they are either arrogant, greedy, or stupid. Sorry, in most cases there are shades of grey. Not in this one.
I don't think elixir walls broke the game, first they only start at 200k per wall, and let's be honest 99% of all th7s don't have many level 7 walls. The other thing is I don't think supercell just sat down at said "let's ruin the game by adding elixir walls!", no they thought long and hard about the decision and made a good choice as far as they are concerned.
So if you are a capped th10 like me, why would i ever have elexir or gold for you to steal, as soon as i get 3 mil of any its one lava wall....
Still bad.
10chars
More than 7000 pages Its unbelievably awesome!
If you can't even put two and two together and figure out this mess started with elixir for walls then you are one dumb #%^*^#€%^£
how can there be 7000 pages when there are only 700 in the world??Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahorer
Of course it did. Elixer disappeared the second the update hit just about. Have you even read the majority of these posts? There is no argument to be had here. Lix for walls made the lix scarce. People admit it. Before logging off they dump it into walls. It was plentiful before the update.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99kieran99
I know?! I can't sone of these people. It isn't even s debate. Before 50/150/1 to 80/200/2 raids where just about every next after 1800 cups. Now? 80/80/1 if you are lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett771
It's not even debatable.
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Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
I find myself self adding up the loot and loot bonus to see if I'm going to make a profit. I have never in a year and a half done that.
Wait, how did these types of jokes start?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordAmbreon
Yup. I'd never even look at the bonus. Now it's the deciding factor most if the time. And it clearly isn't helping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratbark007
I still remember the garbage they tried feeding us to be positive about the December loot update. "Huuurrrr duuuurrrr, instead of seeing a random distribution of bases like 600,000 gold then 100,000 gold then 350,000 gold then 80,000 gold et cetera, you'll see a better average as in 175,000 then 250,00 then 200,000, then 240,000 et cetera"
It was bull. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen gold over 500,000 since that update when before the update U.S. see that amount more often. And instead of bases around the 200,000 to 250's it's bases around 80,000.
It was a screw job just like the heroes. "We made your heroes "better" by gutting the ♥♥♥♥ out if them!"
Yeah, sure you did. Look at how awesome they are now!
But that's not what really kills me. What really kills me is people here actually believe this stuff lol. It's pure lunacy.
A YouTube comment somewhere, I forget which video thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by RustyArmoredPEKKA
The most important thing is not about elixir walls or Halloween update or 4th mortar or whatever…The most important thing is SC knows about this thread and exactly knows about the economics of CoC is broken but…they don’t want to make a change, they comfort and use this situation to increase their profit selling gems. Also they are very arrogant but in my point of view they are very idiot because they don’t know how to be a customer oriented.
If this situation continues I believe this game will turn into garbage. Many players and most of them are TH 9 and TH 10 stopped playing this game, only come for a minute to collect from collectors/mines/pumps and going off again, and they also stopped buying gems like I did. Of course they will get some new players but sooner or later people will know that this game is ♥♥♥♥ and they will not install it.
I wish they were a little bit smarter, listen to this thread and make a change as soon as possible so win solution will created between CoC and players.
I’m sorry of my bad English, have fun and happy “nexting”…see you guys…
Oh I'll tell you right now less people are playing. I would get hit the second I would log out before pretty much no matter how much loot I was holding. But lately I can go for minutes up to almost an hour holding 2 million gold and elixer from 1200 cups to about 2100. Th9 mostly maxed except walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzzzzzzzzz
Im a TH 10 and I'm finding no loot, are you guys, and where?
First you click on the plus next to the gems. Then you buy the amount of gems you want. Preferably 100 dollars worth. Next you go to treasure and buy all the loot you want.
Sincerely,
Supercell
Those are resources not lootQuote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
Yeah, I have to agree. My TH is on the outside. I use to log off and get hit in a matter of minutes. Now, it's hours, sometimes 2 to 3. I don't even attack anymore. Losing 3-400k in gold clicking next just to maybe get back to even is pointless when I can just ride shields and pull in the 500k of each from my collectors. If it wasn't for CW's I would have quit this game, by now. Still holding out for some type of fix for the loot or some big change in the game that makes it fun, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
Me either. It was kinda like the league. Once I realized I couldn't attack anybody in my league or win anything from it I ignored it. League bonus was something I couldn't tell you what it was until after the last big update. And I used to farm with Giants and wbs for a change of pace. Now I would never do that. Even with 15 giants and 6 wbs I was still stockpiling elixer. Not now. Now I'm hoping for a raid with more than 75k elixer plus the loot bonus. I've farmed hard and I have 7.5m gold but only 2.6m elixer. It used to be the other way around. More elixer than I knew what to do with. It's a grind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
I stay at C2 . Hit TH9 for 50k-100K loot+ 50K bonus . Use cheap troops from all 4 barrack and 2 dark barrack , 15 mins time without boost. Get at least 200-400k per hrs . No easy way here , 8 million golds mean 6 hrs play /day for 2 -3 days.
SC lure you with easy loot and dead base for Th7 or below . so you buy more builder to use all the gold. After hit Th9-10 . with bigger troops .Ironically ,You get less loot compare to when you were Th7 . Then you need to buy gold to progress if you do not want to play 6 hr/day. Take it or leave .
Loot? This is Clash of Clans you're playing. There should be no loot.
I find loot at under 200 Ts
Thank you. Most people have forgotten they destroyed farming in 12/2013. "Easier to save" they said. "Higher average yields" they said. "Less nexting" they said. What a joke!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
I'm TH9 and G2-C3 has been really good to me the past few days.
What a monumental hypocrite you are!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xizeta
How is this person not banned yet for trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xizeta
I remember that! I'm trying to find that thread where they said all that, I want to dig it up and rub in Supercell's face.Quote:
Originally Posted by blaugh
I find nice loot when i next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next, next,next,next,next
I'm only TH9 as well but Crystal 3 has been my sweet spot for a while.
Who needs loot? All you gotta do is buy a 16 day shield. Then all you have to do is wait patiently for 16 days so you can start your 14 day upgrade. Look at that, after only one quick month your base already one step closer to max.
total noobQuote:
Originally Posted by jorgy4459
You do realize he was being sarcastic, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bmille3
My TH5 is getting more loot than my TH10. Not just per hour, but also per battle. Game design?
Definitely by design Pete. Have a th6 I have parked in our vacation clan. Amazing loots when I bother to raid with it. Reminds me of why I loved this game when I started. Then I swap back to grinding walls and heroes and it's like breaking boulders with a sledgehammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete82
Kind of an imbalance.....and it's a bummer.
You mix up two things here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
Better for you.
Better for the game.
If a unit (for instance a hero) is overpowered, it's better to reduce it's strength.
If the loot it to easy, it's better to reduce the loot.
Why is this all better? Because it balances the game. I used to get hogged-raped 24/7 for my full storages. Now since the traps I see more balanced army's (giant healer army's). I don't mind that as much, because that take (some) strategy and organisation to take out my base. Just sending in a dozen of hogs was very lame.
Don't get me wrong, the loot isn't good enough (seeing more and more low loot bases), but just giving away loot by (for instance) putting inactive bases back in, isn't going to make the game any more fun. It just will make the game easier. But then again, is a game really fun if it isn't a challange.
Calling the current state of clash a challenge, is extremely dangerous round here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Attitude
I don't think I will risk my life, and the opinion about people around here doesn't really matter to me. I just think that the old clashers are spoiled. They want their 5 builders running 24/7 by doing 5 barch raids a day on a inactive base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
What I wan't is doing 5 heavy attacks to get a two/three star on a TH that is the same level as mine (or higher) and gaining a bonus for accomplishing a good destroyed base. But apparently that's not the general opinion here. The general opinion here is to get your resources as easy as possible and take out all the fun out of the game itself, and (maybe) put it all in Clan wars.
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Originally Posted by Attitude
Oh i understand you... and im fully behind this idea..
i spent 2 years building this base/army and dont see the point in barching like a dummy after all that work.
i want a challenge but i want to be rewarded for it.
Current system and that before it doesnt give that.
it rewards poor play and punishes progression.
right now though... we have nothing but a 2nd job if we want to continue to play and this is not a challenge.
Agreed, but crying about inactives bases being gone... I don't want those. Yes, I raid them, but I don't want to. I just do it because there is no other option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
So yeah, IMO a challange isn't rewarded (enough) and I think it should.
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Originally Posted by Attitude
Yep!
Dont want them - glad to have them when they were around - not needed now.
i was backing a guy earlier that proposed a solution to the raiding mechanics but he was ignored due to tiny flaws & for the most part because his idea abandoned the thought of raiding dead bases altogether.
Its a shame we have players who just want to be lazy and upgrade a base for nothing other than prestige.
here's the idea: (Im still very much in support of changing the culture of the game for everyones benefit.)
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-many-other%21
Go to Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Attitude
There you have your solution ;)
The real problem in this game is resources are to scarce if you want to upgrade your base like you should. (yes, I am talking about walls)
Lol, Ive been gone 6 months, and threads like thisone still is a hot topic :-)
We are still playing the "Nexting" game i see :-)
You are right, this is not a game, this is a puzzleQuote:
Originally Posted by Xandathrii
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Originally Posted by Xandathrii
Lol, just uninstalled clash of clans, loot is just too terrible. Too bad I really loved the game, but all the fun is gone.. Guys good luck nexting.. :cool:
I saw that idea too, and I promoted it myself. I think it is (with a couple of tiny adjustments) the best solution for the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
Yeah, champions league as a TH8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzilla86
I don't say I have much trouble getting loot, but I do notice it. And I want to think along with other people. But I totally disagree that there should be more abondoned bases. That's no fun.
Put th outside in masters
Snipe
???
Profit.
I encourage everyone.to do the same
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Originally Posted by badong69
Mate stop suggesting this.
Anyone who is suggesting this isnt thinking of the other side of the coin.
Lets say we all do that....
Who do we raid?
In theory, if all the active bases were sniped/shielded, the search results would return 100% inactive bases. So raid them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
i like the idea but your theory is not based on any real information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trmcgregor
What in fact if Supercell's formula for finding bases not only deprioritised bases but prevented us from ever seeing them?
i mean, the idea at the moment is that the queue of bases you see if active players first and inactives last but what if inactives arent in the queue at all??
CLOUDS my friend.... CLOUDS!!!! :P
His theory IS actually based on information provided by a SC employee. Yours, on the other hand, is pulled from your own bottom ("what if blablabla...").Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
His theory actually leads to a great solution. Yours doesn't lead anywhere.
Just stop talking.
The official word is that inactive are deprioritised, not removed. Sadly though, there are probably million active bases between us and them, so we'll never see them. However in theory, if everyone put their TH outside and got sniped ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
I'm surprised that everyone doesn't have their TH outside anyways. Your base is going to get smashed regardless, so you might as well just take the 1 star loss with no loss of resources.
I dont know if the theory works or not... but in general the inactive bases are not removed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
2 points confirm this - First many players are able to find them.. all the ppl who say loot is good are seeing these bases.. I myself had an awesome day on tuesday(only one day) where i found tons of collectors around 1900-2000 range... i boosted for an extra 2hrs as i was finding so many...
Secondly SC also confirmed that they dont remove the inactive bases but they are just placed behind in the queue...
So in theory what he said works... but its not practical in my opinion
Reporting in to say this game is still garbage and after spending two hours boosted I reaffirmed that I still hate what this game has become. Now you've ruined BB as well. I do not enjoy any of your greedy games anymore. Here's to never giving you another penny ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you greedy pos....
What is my theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia
oh yes thats right, if we are all cowards then the game gets worse.
why dont you give something constructive to the community and not tell people to stop talking.
have some manners.
It will work and prove that the community dont want a decent game they just want to be raiding inactives the whole day long and not challenge themselves in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by smasherz
Very much not a practical approach and was my first reaction.
Such a pity this game bread a bunch of terrified ferrets hiding behind shields that cry to abuse the defenceless quitters.
Why do you guys bother upgrading then if you wanna play in the sandbox all day?
Agreed. Would work in theory, but impractical.Quote:
Originally Posted by smasherz
The idea linked above is so much more complicated than it needs to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
Also, not everybody wants handouts in the form of more collector bases.
League bonus is the simplest method of improving the loot situation, and adding a (simple) multiplier to it would further incentivize using stronger armies to defeat a base. Plus, this small change is something that -- from SC's perspective -- is also simple to accomplish. As a business operator, you don't want to bulldoze your building if all you need to do is a bit of renovation.
It would be constructive for the community if you stopped talking so much nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
I think it needs the complication though and there should be more elements of risk.. After all were raiding to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkunas
If there is a chance you might lose your own resources while attacking then you certainly will be more cautious and you definately will get better.
Simply injecting free loot through bonuses is not the answer.
I agree 0 sum isn't either but there is a balance and there should be risk.
Thats what would make it fun again!
Thanks Supercell for taking all the fun out of what it was a great game. You should change it the name in the next upgrade and call it NEXT because that's what I been doing in the last couple of weeks. I boosted a couple of time my barracks and spend 2 hours straight just to get almost nothing. Out of the two hours each time I did it I spent hour and a half just pressing the bottom NEXT, AND NEXT AND NEXT. I hate that bottom, I really do. That's is why I won't be playing this game anymore. It was fun to play now it's pain to play almost like a torture. I won't spend my free time pushing NEXT AND NEXT AND NEXT AND NEXT. Name it NEXT because that's what you most do in the game, no clashing or battling or anything you just NEXT AND NEXT AND NEXT. Supercell won't listen to you guys so stop playing this painful game until they fixed it. It's the only way because they're desperate to get your money and this is them showing you how much they want it.
The proposed idea in that thread was the exact definition of a zero-sum game. He even says, "Thus the resource reward to the winning player will come entirely from loot penalty from the losing opponent."Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
The economy needs loot coming in from somewhere; SC has said that the majority of loot in the entire economy comes from collectors. Ergo, a collector buff would be a simple and effective means of injecting loot into the economy (rather than just moving it from one person to another). But, boosting collectors does nothing to incentivize bigger/stronger armies or attacking in general. Hence, my original proposal to use a league bonus multiplier to encourage people to use stronger armies.
If the economy is going to improve, it needs additional resources coming from somewhere other than out of the pocket of another player.
Loot is still rocking for my th7 alt account!
And is still dreadful in my th10.
Game is screwed up when lower level ths can farm WAY more then higher levels......
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Originally Posted by Hogtastic
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Originally Posted by Goobers
I don't know why you quoted me here. I was jabbing at Hogtastic's solutions of removing search costs entirely as well as a weekly 1 gem boost to collectors, which would have terrible consequences on the economy and also deter gem sales: a loss for both the playerbase and Supercell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459
I have absolutely stated that the current loot system is broken for TH9/10s, and with the lix for wall update TH8s could start to feel the pain of it down the road to some extent, too. The elixir for walls update wasn't a bad move. The fact that they implemented it while simultaneously ramping up the rate at which they decommission inactive bases, AND while they never created any system that benefits an active playerbase, THAT'S what made it appear to be a bad move and why it seemed to have ruined the economy overnight.
I've posted AT LEAST 30 times in this thread about ways that would fix the problem for the players who feel it the most (the highly active playerbase levels, or TH9/10), but nobody responds to those posts. They'd rather find some dimwit who makes some completely irrelevant claim and then start a spitting match with them on that until the thread once again gets totally derailed. Much like what I did with Hogtastic's boneheaded posts, which I probably should have just ignored.
/rant
I hear ya goobers.... There are great ideas in this thread and others that would make the game amazing again for th10s. A game where we spend our gems because we are having fun... How in the world can anyone think that any game should be the worst at its highest level of gameplay??
People are not asking for 300k bases every 10 nexts, though that is what th 7, 8 seem to get at will even now.
TH10 the challenge is TIME! It is completely backwards the challenge becomes how lucky you are NEXTING to find a raidable base that hasn't been sniped with resources in it or the very rare inactive. The fact that SC doesnt come out and say something is mind blowing. Supposing that we th10s all get used to terrible loot, that we all become masochists for this game, what does SC gain?? They certainly dont gain more gem buyers. I know of no one except the crazy people to buy loot and we dont gem time unless we have loot! Their silence on the matter is unfathomable.
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Originally Posted by perkunas
It's not "simply injecting free loot," it's a reward-based system that would not only make hitting those pathetic 30k/30k bases viable (b/c those bases are smartly dumping all their gold AND elixir now into walls), but also provides you the opportunity to use more expensive armies if you choose to do so. As it currently stands, using anything other than BArch is insane if you're trying to stockpile resources. You slap a penalty to the league bonus multiplier similarly to how the current loot penalty exists, so that TH9/10s don't make their nut BArching TH7s for 3 stars in Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keywal
What it does is it helps solve the problem where the problems exists: higher TH level active players who are raiding other higher TH level active players. Currently they're just wasting their time b/c at that point in the game, they are smart enough know they should keep storages low, and with the elixir for walls update they can now dump both resources. A injection of loot is 1000% needed. Not necessarily with an increased collector level, which would be your "free loot injection," but a way where it needs to be earned. It's a direct response to the problems players are facing: players who bring armies capable of hitting storages but there is no loot in the storages. This league bonus multiplier serves as a safeguard where you don't bankrupt yourself simply b/c SC introduced a resource dump update without simultaneously installing a system that would account for the problems active players would face from it.
Just "next'd" 112 times while I read the last 24 hrs of posts in this thread.
The highest gold loot I saw was 112k gold and 21,234 elix.
The highest elix loot I saw was 93,412 and 72,883 gold.
Neither of those are worth attacking. Would need to use at least 2 spells to 3 star them. (Semi maxed th09s)
I'm in Crystal 2 and logging off for the day.
Games still broken.
Next...
I'm sorry, but I don't beleive you one second. this has never happened to me. EVER. in 20 nexts I always see at least two 100K + raids which I can raid. Sometimes I get to 40 nexts and exeptionally, I get to 50+ nexts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biz
Never have I done 100 nexts before and never have I not seen more than 112K gold.
First off I could care less if you believe me or not but why would I be dishonest about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conan
What does that prove?
I'm a TH10 currently at 2277.
Come join me if you want.
M2 is has been great recently. (Th9)
SC doesn't care about the players. Everything is about getting them to buy gems, always have, always will. The only difference is that the game has just gone from free-to-play to pay-or-get-bored-to-death, especially if you get to TH8.
And it must be working because they're completely DEAF to every player's complaint. Just look a this thread, it is just one big middle finger to all the players and yet we're still playing... In the US, there would have been a class-action lawsuit against them already... ^^
i dont find great loot all the time so i farm league bonus'. i found that with quick barch raids i can do 3-4 mill in gold per day. im on quite a bit but its not all spent raiding.
I'm getting enaugh loot as a th9 player. But i would like to use another than barch army to get profit.
So vote for league bonus multipier per earned stars!
You can add th penalty to bonus if needed also. I can live with that. Barching at crystal 2, most my targets are at same th level anyways...
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Originally Posted by smasherz
Placing those inactives at the end of the queue means that they might be months under a shield.
Ive been monitoring a mate in GameCenter, and he has been at 1321 cups since the lava hound update came up.
If they play with us, why we shudnt be sellfish?
My Th is already out im at Masters III, come n take it!
Law suit against them for what??Quote:
Originally Posted by DayTayCay
After all this loot fiasco in CoC, Supercell made a massive multiple way loot nerf in Boom Beach (after already devaluating their ingame currency). Between other things, they changed the loot system (for the worse, of course) and they didn't even mention it in the update release notes.;)
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...o-be-clarified
It's clear now that Supercell is sacrificing gameplay/fun for profit and only claiming "they are looking into things".
Liars.
PS:The league bonus buff was probably already planed long before the whole loot disaster, they just released it at the right moment
Plenty loot in gold 1 and 2 today :)
--- found chrystal a bit dry for elixir, so dropped down .....
(TH9) :)
I have been in C3 and ever since the "removal of Halloween" update, i have found nothing..i have had to use BARCH for the past 48 hours due to having barely any Elixir lately. I have lost tons of trophies attacking bases i normally wouldn't just trying to secure something... There are barely any inactive ones lately and those i do find have maybe 50K total resources.
I am Level 73/TH 8 and had been getting resources at a GREAT clip for the past couple weeks and have almost maxed out all defenses... but this lull has really stopped that quickly.
I don't know what SuperCell does, but it stinks plain and simple. My entire clan has been complaining for the past couple days as well... just really bad out there right now.
Loot is pretty good at G2, i usually play at night around 9pm till 1am.
I found loot in the goblin solo missions. :confused:
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Originally Posted by enviem
I was was searching for other information and came across this.
Attachment 74646
Im not sure on how to adjust the size?
Mostly in crystal 3 or gold 1, no inactive bases but in storage though not so hard. But I think this is random cause at morning there was no loot at all in crystal for me
Finally got some free time to play and had to hit next almost 100 times just to find a base even worth attacking. Fix this ♥♥♥♥.
How are you supposed to do upgrades if you spend that much just to find an OK base?
I think yall are referencing this post which is far from the claim of "Huuurrrr duuuurrrr, instead of seeing a random distribution of bases like 600,000 gold then 100,000 gold then 350,000 gold then 80,000 gold et cetera, you'll see a better average as in 175,000 then 250,00 then 200,000, then 240,000 et cetera"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgy4459Yup. I'd never even look at the bonus. Now it's the deciding factor most if the time. And it clearly isn't helping.
I still remember the garbage they tried feeding us to be positive about the December loot update. "Huuurrrr duuuurrrr, instead of seeing a random distribution of bases like 600,000 gold then 100,000 gold then 350,000 gold then 80,000 gold et cetera, you'll see a better average as in 175,000 then 250,00 then 200,000, then 240,000 et cetera"
It was bull. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen gold over 500,000 since that update when before the update U.S. see that amount more often. And instead of bases around the 200,000 to 250's it's bases around 80,000.
It was a screw job just like the heroes. "We made your heroes "better" by gutting the ♥♥♥♥ out if them!"
Yeah, sure you did. Look at how awesome they are now!
But that's not what really kills me. What really kills me is people here actually believe this stuff lol. It's pure lunacy.
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Originally Posted by blaughThank you. Most people have forgotten they destroyed farming in 12/2013. "Easier to save" they said. "Higher average yields" they said. "Less nexting" they said. What a joke!!!!
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Originally Posted by enviem
You will not find a post supporting those numbers because no post existed.
I'm not going to go into all the individual numbers but the new system made raiding at your own level more profitable as 1 storage could potentially be worth 2 storages under the old system which encourages attacking people at your own level. The max a th10 could earn in the past was 200k plus collectors it is now 400k plus collectors. The reason you are not seeing huge raids now is there is more competition for those raids.
For anyone interested in the old system and how it compared to the new here is the official explanation. http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post1157535Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
everyone knows there is no loot left in this game.
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I just love the options the forum provides.
I for one will never give this company another dime, even if they fix this issue. They've completely lost my trust, and I think from a business perspective they see it that way too, and is why they aren't going to implement any of these changes we've thrown out here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcman
Almost all of my gem purchases came early on from my first account, my first time around. I used them to buy builders, as from TH5-TH8 I had a limitless need for them but a very limited supply. I didn't understand long-term how easy or difficult it would be to get the builders without spending gems on them, so I bought them. It was a great investment at the time: this game is entirely time-based, and I instantly cut my time, permanently, by more than half. I did use gems once to fill my storages, but quickly realized that it was a foolish waste of gems for the amount received. I used more to boost barracks, that was my last gem purchase. I saw that boosting barracks with high build-time troops gave me an incredible ROI to my farming (hands down the best use of them after builder huts) so that's the only use I had planned for them here on out. But when I learned BArch/BAMing was probably the most efficient way to earn gold/elixir, I didn't see a need to boost too often as they have the shortest build times. Fast forward to now, in an unfarmable state, and I just broke the 3000 mark for gems in my bank. Maybe I didn't need to buy all those gems in the first place, eh?
(I've also had friends on a few occasions screw with my account and spend insane amounts of gems to free up a busy builder, buy the required gold and spend it on doing one skull wall upgrade, for example. Which I laugh about now, but sucked then and would probably put my spendable gems up around 4500-5000 instead. Just to illustrate my point that buying gems was unneeded.)
Cut to my 2nd account. I never bought gems once. I sniped my way to Crystal, got the achievement, and within 3 weeks I was a TH7 with 4 builder huts. Could have continued that to get up to Masters for the 5th but I didn't want to invest the hours of looking for TH snipes from 2200-2600, plus I was balancing two accounts now so while my farming was still as efficient as ever, it slowed down naturally as I was "farming for two" now. "I'll just let the gems slowly accumulate to 2000 for the 5th," was my final stance. I progressed probably 2-3x quicker than my first account, with one less builder, and having spent zero gems.
To Supercell, I became their worst possible customer. I was an informed gamer, who learned from my first time around valuable knowledge about the value of gems and how not to foolishly spend them. In doing that, I also learned how to fly through progression in this game using no other gems than the ones I could earn or receive at no cost to me. Young players (I'm talking 10-15 year olds) in my clan for months would post about how they were getting birthday money soon or saved up allowance, etc., and would be putting $50 in gems towards this. I would constantly talk them out of it, and tell them how to progress without spending $12 to fill up that new DE storage so they could get their BK. I'd see a clanmate telling me he was going to put $20 in so he could "get all the new buildings right away" when his new TH8 upgrade finished, when I see him with TWO BUILDER HUTS. The same people that I tried to explain how to get by without spending money that doesn't come easy to them, would keep telling me another few weeks later that they planned on buying more gems for some other foolish investment. They haven't mentally developed enough yet to grasp the value and opportunity costs of spending gems wisely, or when they shouldn't spend them at all.
It became very apparent to me that Supercell makes the bulk of their money here, from uninformed players (or kids) who are in the earlier stages of the game and don't understand how unnecessary it is to buy these gems, or spend the ones they have wisely. Players who get to TH9 and TH10 (exluding gem rushers) have either learned to get by without needing additional gems or have already purchased the vital things they can buy. All emotion aside: Supercell is done with you, the active, long-time TH9/10. They have gone all-in on their advertising campaigns now, to pull in players who will make the same uninformed short-term gem purchasing decisions I did when I first started. It's actually their best move business-wise, albeit not a sustainable one in the long-term. But maybe there isn't a sustainable model for these types of games, and maybe they're just making the best possible decision for their company given the financial data available to them.
I hate using TV shows to drive points home, but South Park was spot on when they broke down how these types of games become so profitable. It's not everyone investing a consistent, but marginal steady stream of cash into the game that keeps it afloat. It's the uniformed players (like me when I first started) who at the time don't understand the long-term progression of the game, and almost prey on them using a high demand for something not easily obtained (excess builders, expedited construction times, etc.) at that level of the game. They earned what they got from me, I don't regret spending the money that I did. But I absolutely have written them off for the future. I think Supercell understands this as well.
Loot, what is loot? Does it even exist? Did you mean loot bonus?
People who complain about no loot, are you looking for 600k collector raids only or something ? i have no problem finding loot, maybe because im not looking for huge amounts, im happy with 100k or 200k of each.
I'm th10. Head into masters league, even if loot sucks the 100k bonus means you can 1 star weak bases with barch and still get some profit.
that means you have to raid every 8-10 minutes for hours per day to sustain just minimum progress, not many people like this OCD -driven style. I prefer 500k+ every 30-40 minutes, but with the current situation it requires me to do at lease 15++ minutes of NEXTing to be lucky enough to find a base with 400k+Quote:
Originally Posted by jkd
if you can find a base easily 1 starable with barcher in master then that base doesnt belong there for long, how many of that kind of bases you will find in a day?Quote:
Originally Posted by MelliferaMan
Been getting 250-400k of each in M1. The loot bonus is great too. Have to work for it, but it's far more fun.
M3 around 2700 cups I am finding plenty of storage raids and a few snipes using balloonion. I usually scrape up enough lix to run three to five spells and make another loon army, attacking every hour or so. Not great but it is doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by neutronium
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Originally Posted by Goobers
This is whole thing is interesting. I'm about halfway through my coursework on my MBA and I see things going on that I've studied before. I'm not saying I know what they are doing but it appears familiar.
In The course of administering an app they would know the essentials like , average app life span for the consumer, monthly downloads, attrition, where in the life of the app the most real money is spent, etc. Therefore they know where the average user quits at and where the most money is spent. I would assume an ambitious person could look at updates and figure out who they are aimed at to see what demographic they want to keep in the game. And that demographic would be the most profitable. Therefore by extending this demographics life before they quit, they have the best chance to maximize profits.
The Other part is the common size percentages for new consumers, attrition, etc, vs industry. With such a huge consumer base to target I would guess that they are in the position of higher new consumer downloads and usage than older consumers leaving, attrition. In a new market it's easy to target the low hanging fruit rather than cater to existing consumers. The existing mature consumer usually has more complex demands than a newer customer. So if your making your profits from the newer customers anyway it makes sense to try to extend their spending lifespan.