The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by thedoberman

The real problem is people have set up computerized algorithmic bots that play the game nonstop. These algorithmic programs make adjustments and continue to drain the entire system of all resources. I am personally tracking a Chinese clan right now that has several members who have donated and received over 10,000 troops this season, and have attacked 900+ times each. An example is one player I am tracking added 11 level 10 walls in one day. That is not even humanly possible. That is the reason this game has gone astray, it is such a massive drain on the system. I am your typical player who has spent money and done hard work on the game also. I'm a maxed out th9 and lvl 102, honestly though I will quit the game if things don't change soon. It's a shame. Believe me Supercell knows what's going on, it's whether or not they do something about it.

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I agree. Oh and, congrats on your first post btw! And welcome to the forums:)

In gold league III the loot is terrible. I am currently farming but it is rubbish in this league.

plz dont say i ll quit if sc not prevents bots or bad loot because they r not even trying to fix those and this means their profit isbetter with that way
game has lots of unlogical issues de zapping, bad loot, tons of nexting etc etc.
nothing to do except tapping collectors
btw sc wont stop bots because they boost barracks non stop i m also tracing a chinese clan have attacks more than 1500 seasonly they boost nonstop and sone of them dont collect their mi es and pumps for houes even they still attack nonstop

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Originally Posted by Jennah04

In gold league III the loot is terrible. I am currently farming but it is rubbish in this league.

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You seem to be doing okay, and you're a th7.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2mjv9.jpg

But, with only one attack won this season, how exactly could you say that loot is bad? I'm not saying it's good, but you don't seem to have attacked much at all.

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Might want to try silver 1 instead.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

So I assume you're buying gems? By boosted session, I assume you mean all 4 barracks. That's 200-240 gems per day, which isn't sustainable on obstacles.


So basically you're saying "loot is good if you can play 9+ hours per day and spend $10-$20 a week. Right.

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No loot was good before I boosted my barracks. I just get 3-4 times more than I how raid back then. We have discvered a few back now you not a good raider.

I bankrupted myself and used 15.50£ gems in last 3 week. 15:50 buys you not a lot. I was happy to support the game I like. where could awesome entertainment for 15:50£ for 3 week's in real life. No where. I took my dogs for a walk to a local boozer with my wife and daughter and spent that on one round of drinks.

You not good at this game. I was happy raiding with healer and giants and was progressing well without boosting Play another game that more suitable for you. Th9 can raid enough to progress in game. Not my fault you tight with your money or to young to buy gems.

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Originally Posted by Ramb02

Awesome, but all you're doing is further showing the loot issues hit th10, and in some cases th9.....

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But the point I was trying to get across was that loot seemed suddenly a lot better when I boosted. Sure i'm only town hall 8, but that does not mean I am uneffected by bad loot as before I bought gems I found no raids with over 100k gold.

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Originally Posted by klem70

You not good at this game. I was happy raiding with healer and giants and was progressing well without boosting Play another game that more suitable for you. Th9 can raid enough to progress in game. Not my fault you tight with your money or to young to buy gems.

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Please don't solo out 2 sole reasons as to why another player chooses not to buy gems. They're not the only potential possibilities. It's incredibly naïve.

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Originally Posted by Wh33ls

Please don't solo out 2 sole reasons as to why another player chooses not to buy gems. They're not the only potential possibilities. It's incredibly naïve.

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So why did he single me out for buying gems.

I made that choice and very good one. In the long will save 50-60% or even more raiding time to complete my walls.

I raided a lot of mine without boosting and was progressing well. that person is not a very good raider. They admitted that 2-3 week's ago in one of the loot threads. Even if in the future loot becomes great for 90% people, they would be here still winging about loot. Why because they not good at raiding.

Th10 I believe them 100% they have problems with loot. Th9 must doing something wrong not to get loot to progress in game. Why can I say that for a Th9, because I am one.

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Originally Posted by thedoberman

The real problem is people have set up computerized algorithmic bots that play the game nonstop. These algorithmic programs make adjustments and continue to drain the entire system of all resources. I am personally tracking a Chinese clan right now that has several members who have donated and received over 10,000 troops this season, and have attacked 900+ times each. An example is one player I am tracking added 11 level 10 walls in one day. That is not even humanly possible. That is the reason this game has gone astray, it is such a massive drain on the system. I am your typical player who has spent money and done hard work on the game also. I'm a maxed out th9 and lvl 102, honestly though I will quit the game if things don't change soon. It's a shame. Believe me Supercell knows what's going on, it's whether or not they do something about it.

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I don't think there are too many people saying they are but a problem, but they are not the root cause of the ailing economy.

The first loot change in December was felt by players and caused an uproar. It was obvious something changed.

The second obvious change was Lix for walls. The Lix dried up basically overnight.

There is no debating these two points. Other factors have some effect, but no outside force will ever have the impact that SC's own money grab based updates will.

Look at the gem bug. It was fixed how fast? Trust me. If bots were that big of an issue they'd get fixed. Fast.

What horrible news that boosting barracks with gems gives you better matches when farming, this follows:

improving defences at TH8 with new mortar and traps making cheap armies ineffective,

building walls with elixir, which means there is little elixir to farm and longer raiding sessions are required,

taking no action against bots,

introducing TH penalties that cripple farming opportunities,

Duh, smell the coffee guys, this game will only be fun up to TH8, after that it is becoming a drudgery borefest.

Why has it developed like this? Only Supercell know. They have the data, they have the business plan. This thread is a conduit for complaints about the economy and has been used to park the issue. No Supercell rep appears here any more.

My clan has lost a few of its senior players who have given up, our chat confirms that many are staying only because of the social side and the investment they have already made. Will more leave? Probably and soon. Will this worry Supercell?, not one jot.

Seems weird eh. But if the game is now marketed at kiddy players, who will spend their allowances on upgrades for a couple of months, then is this the way to go........?

Simply said raiding for resources is a waste of time at present. I spend more trying to find a good raid than I get back. The league bonus is the only way to break even or gain a tiny profit. This game is just not playable at the current economic state.

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Originally Posted by Jorgy4459

Look at the gem bug. It was fixed how fast? Trust me. If bots were that big of an issue they'd get fixed. Fast.

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The gem bug was an 'issue' for Supercell's bottom line. Bots are an issue for farmers. The difference is enormous.

I am extremely disappointed by my perception of Supercell's lack of response to blatantly obvious botting.

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Originally Posted by Jcman

Again! You take things out of context... I say th10s decreased capacity to gain loot is roughly four times that of th9. This is for more reasons then theoretical loot penalties and assumptions that bases availability are equal. I did not say anything about raiding th8s and loot penalty..

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You have still failed to explain how a 33% increase in nexting costs with 50% loot penalty against th8's (th9s primary loot sources) equates to a loss of over 4 times in loot for th10. Let alone how upgrades can possibly cost 3 times more between th9-10. You lose is 40% of the loot from th8s when you go to th10. Upgrades are not 3 times the cost. The statement remains honestly untrue.

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As as for lower townhalls only being pushed back?!? You acknowledge that but say it doesnt happen to high levels? You talk from both sides of your mouth, you purposefully misconstrue everything people say to put forth your agenda that you are the God of this forum and are SC official fanboy.

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Yes, I assert that Inactives in higher leagues do not get removed due to player populations which affect their likelihood of showing up. They get pushed down into lower leagues where they become increasingly difficult to find and thus raid. You do not find them in abundance in higher leagues due to the ratios of active inactive populations. Talk about about misconstruing someone's words....

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Originally Posted by Kez

Any chance we can move on from the argument about inactives? For every post 'proving' inactives are in the queue, i can post one 'proving' the opposite. Neither really prove anything. Either way, the loot issue, is bigger then just inactives...or at the very least it should be. Oh, and as for the 'proof', here is a sample of screenshots taken today from my friends list...i have more but you get the idea...

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Yes those are all low level leagues with huge player populations both active and inactive. No surprise that some Inactives in lower leagues fall out of matchmaking. The discussion is over high league Inactives. Do you have evidence of high league Inactives that go unraided?

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

As far as inactives in champion's league go, I somewhat doubt that they totally stop being raided like bases in every other league do. Basically there are three possiblities when a base goes inactive in champs:

1) The base is raided at normal intervals indefinitely. They would still likely be deprioritized, but in champs there are times for many players when there are quite literally NO other bases. If these bases could stay in champs without being attacked it would powerful evidence that inactives are literally removed, rather than being deprioritized in the queue as SC claims.

2) The base stops being raided after some time, much like bases in all other ranges. As I said, this would mean removal as opposed to deprioritization.

3) The base is raided until it starts dropping in cups (which it should if it's inactive. People wouldn't fail on dead bases in champs consistently.). This is the most likely outcome for any long-term inactivity IMO. Once the base falls to maybe 2800-3000 or something, the active bases would be abundant enough to finally bury it.

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Do you have any evidence of villages going unraided once they hit this proposed wall at 2800-3000?

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Clearly from those photos these inactive bases are being raided, and Beerking's example made me believe they were not being raided down in the Gold leagues. My question is: who is raiding them?

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Anyone and everyone who comes across them, they are prized treasures and the people in high leagues are more than capable of taking the loot from an inactive village as well as a 40%, giving them a shield.

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If I could see one, just one of these bases up in Crystal 1/2 during my cumulative 5,000+ Nexts since being a TH10, I'd be satisfied with knowing that regular, active human players are hitting these bases and they are available to them. Surely I can't be the one outlier who defies the law of numbers in this game. And while I will occasionally (but very rarely) find these bases with my TH9 in Gold leagues, both have experienced substantial decreased sightings over the past few months. And I've run well over enough farming sessions at all kinds of different times and leagues that I can assuredly say it's not just "bad luck."

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Increased player activity has significant impacts on how often people will see Inactives. It is not about being unlucky in finding them it is about being lucky enough to find them. Are you unlucky if you cannot regularly roll 100 on a die or lucky when you do?

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Is this due to bots? SC has assured us that the issue caused from this is minimal, much like they have assured us that they don't remove bases from the matchmaking queue (although I think letting a few inactive bases being hit doesn't necessarily mean they aren't still removing lots of others). Let me pose this question to you: do you not also notice this severe decrease in inactive base frequency when farming? You've gotten me frustrated with your very fortunate run of inactive bases that I commented on earlier, mainly b/c it's night and day the difference in what you're finding to mine. But with complete honesty, are you doing just as fine at TH9 farming now compared to months ago?

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Increased player activity is the cause. Do the bots represent more raids than the millions of people actively playing? They cannot specifically target Inactives they target a village based on how much loot they have regardless of where it is at.

To answer your question, I do see a decrease in inactive availability and this decrease grows larger the further I move up in leagues. Why? More active players are in higher leagues now, inflation. I do find Inactives in abundance when I drop cups, as do others, many top clan's memebers routinely drop cups to gold 1 to farm for new upgrades now, why?

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Originally Posted by Ramb02

I agree with you Goobers. With my TH10 camp, I've been from Silver 1 to Crystal 1 since the last update. I found 1 inactive in crystal 3 on my climb up. I'm in Crystal 1 now, and haven't seen any inactives. I did see some in Gold, esp gold 2-3. Many of these though were TH7-8 with preemie collectors, who as a TH10, I would grab very little loot from due to loot penalties.

What I think happens - the high level players aren't becoming inactive. Even if they aren't playing, they're collecting stuff and maybe doing wars (I have a former top 200 player in my clan who does this - hasn't had a league level in months but still is online donating, warring, collecting). The crystal level players who've quit get repeatedly wiped out in collector raids as quickly as they drop shield. They plummet in trophy count down to gold levels and soon thereafter are put into the back of the queue by SC as inactives. SC has never said to my knowledge how long a player must be inactive before they are deprioritized in the matchmaking queue. But I bet they drop off pretty quickly which is why we don't see many of them in crystal.

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I largely agree with these observations but disagree with what is in bold. I do not believe there is a time limit. Their 'removal' is likely tied to player populations relative to thier trophies and how matchmaking works in regards to them. I argue that thier lack of abundance in crystal league and up is due to players pushing them down in leagues while putting them on shield. Also active players represent the bulk of players in higher leagues further thinning the inactive herd.

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

You have still failed to explain how a 33% increase in nexting costs with 50% loot penalty against th8's (th9s primary loot sources) equates to a loss of over 4 times in loot for th10. Let alone how upgrades can possibly cost 3 times more between th9-10. You lose is 40% of the loot from th8s when you go to th10. Upgrades are not 3 times the cost. The statement remains honestly untrue.Yes, I assert that Inactives in higher leagues do not get removed due to player populations which affect their likelihood of showing up. They get pushed down into lower leagues where they become increasingly difficult to find and thus raid. You do not find them in abundance in higher leagues due to the ratios of active inactive populations. Talk about about misconstruing someone's words....

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Yes those are all low level leagues with huge player populations both active and inactive. No surprise that some Inactives in lower leagues fall out of matchmaking. The discussion is over high league Inactives. Do you have evidence of high league Inactives that go unraided?

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Do you have any evidence of villages going unraided once they hit this proposed wall at 2800-3000?

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Anyone and everyone who comes across them, they are prized treasures and the people in high leagues are more than capable of taking the loot from an inactive village as well as a 40%, giving them a shield.Increased player activity has significant impacts on how often people will see Inactives. It is not about being unlucky in finding them it is about being lucky enough to find them. Are you unlucky if you cannot regularly roll 100 on a die or lucky when you do?Increased player activity is the cause. Do the bots represent more raids than the millions of people actively playing? They cannot specifically target Inactives they target a village based on how much loot they have regardless of where it is at.To answer your question, I do see a decrease in inactive availability and this decrease grows larger the further I move up in leagues. Why? More active players are in higher leagues now, inflation. I do find Inactives in abundance when I drop cups, as do others, many top clan's memebers routinely drop cups to gold 1 to farm for new upgrades now, why?

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I largely agree with these observations but disagree with what is in bold. I do not believe there is a time limit. Their 'removal' is likely tied to player populations relative to thier trophies and how matchmaking works in regards to them. I argue that thier lack of abundance in crystal league and up is due to players pushing them down in leagues while putting them on shield. Also active players represent the bulk of players in higher leagues further thinning the inactive herd.

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Dude, I showed you, compare your loot grab to a th10s with similar attack numbers you will destroy him in loot by more then 2 fold. You can boost and destroy th8 collectors with half an army, raiding 200-300k loot every 7 minutes at will. I havent attacked a th8 in months... What part of this is difficult to understand...Tell you what Coathanger.. Stop attacking th8s for a day... Maybe venture out of gold 3 ... Hit only th10s and 9s and see how much harder and more time consuming it is to get loot that was silly easy from th8s... All of your 200k th8 raids you get at will are off the table for th10s... That is a break even army raid for us so why would we raid it? A th8 would have to have full collectors AND full storages for it to be worth attacking...As far as costs go... The majority of th10s do not get lavas while th9 so you cant add that into your th9 cost and take credit for farming them... The vast majority do not in fact farm lava walls... Let's take your x2 loot number and pretend it is fact... Our armies take much longer to make as we need spells to crack similar bases for less recoverable loot. We have to next for more time then you to find recoverable loot off harder bases. More time lost... You do not need any spells at all or big troops to take on th8s... TIME IS MONEY. If I am taking significantly longer to find loot you admit is 2x worse.... Does that not affect my loot gain? Does loot per gaming session not count or are you only willing to count 1 raid at a time?

Townhall 8s and below shouldn't be having that big of a problem finding loot. If you're one of them, chances are you have a method you aren't doing correctly or farming at a wrong range.

Townhall 9s, the loot isn't that great. However at 1600-2000, i have friends who are consistently find inactive TH8 bases. Within 50-80 nexts a 200k each should be manageable. Barch is still possible

Townhall 10s, the loot is horrible. Firstly, you don't see as many inactive TH9s as compared to TH8s and below so no arguements there. No point trying to find inactive bases currently. Been farming from 1700-2700 and even sub 200 these few days, not much good bases.

I'm a low to mid ranged TH10 base, and with this loot change, people have been dumping their excess elixer into walls. Now when you have 4mil elixer, as compared to the past, you are a target as elixer can upgrade walls. So it's theoretically harder to farm for camps or anything that cost above 4mil elixer unless you have OP walls.

Only way i'm farming now is at masters with league bonuses. Any other ideas for TH10s?

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Originally Posted by jellyfish38

Townhall 8s and below shouldn't be having that big of a problem finding loot. If you're one of them, chances are you have a method you aren't doing correctly or farming at a wrong range.

Townhall 9s, the loot isn't that great. However at 1600-2000, i have friends who are consistently find inactive TH8 bases. Within 50-80 nexts a 200k each should be manageable. Barch is still possible

Townhall 10s, the loot is horrible. Firstly, you don't see as many inactive TH9s as compared to TH8s and below so no arguements there. No point trying to find inactive bases currently. Been farming from 1700-2700 and even sub 200 these few days, not much good bases.

I'm a low to mid ranged TH10 base, and with this loot change, people have been dumping their excess elixer into walls. Now when you have 4mil elixer, as compared to the past, you are a target as elixer can upgrade walls. So it's theoretically harder to farm for camps or anything that cost above 4mil elixer unless you have OP walls.

Only way i'm farming now is at masters with league bonuses. Any other ideas for TH10s?

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Most of the ghost towns I see are in the 2350 to 2550 range.....so what I do is keep my m3 badge then drop to around 2550 or so. Give it a shot, you may have to next up to around 100k but it usually pays off with a 300-400k each pay off...not counting the league bonus. You'll tend to see fully maxed 10 ghost towns so bring the right tools for the job but it's been keeping my builders mostly busy.

I recommend everyone here reads Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud. I just finished it recently and what I have realized is that I spend so much time on this forum looking [wishing] for signs that the game will improve but I keep coming up empty handed. The problem is that we as people try to extract "value" out of things that we need to let go of. Also, we try to imagine something that is not there; we hold on to qualities that are not the complete character. The truth is the game doesn't have any value now to me and that there are no reasons to continue. I don't think its Supercell's fault- it's no one's fault. It's time has passed.

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Originally Posted by Jcman

Dude, I showed you, compare your loot grab to a th10s with similar attack numbers you will destroy him in loot by more then 2 fold. You can boost and destroy th8 collectors with half an army, raiding 200-300k loot every 7 minutes at will. I havent attacked a th8 in months... What part of this is difficult to understand...Tell you what Coathanger.. Stop attacking th8s for a day... Maybe venture out of gold 3 ... Hit only th10s and 9s and see how much harder and more time consuming it is to get loot that was silly easy from th8s... All of your 200k th8 raids you get at will are off the table for th10s... That is a break even army raid for us so why would we raid it? A th8 would have to have full collectors AND full storages for it to be worth attacking...As far as costs go... The majority of th10s do not get lavas while th9 so you cant add that into your th9 cost and take credit for farming them... The vast majority do not in fact farm lava walls... Let's take your x2 loot number and pretend it is fact... Our armies take much longer to make as we need spells to crack similar bases for less recoverable loot. We have to next for more time then you to find recoverable loot off harder bases. More time lost... You do not need any spells at all or big troops to take on th8s... TIME IS MONEY. If I am taking significantly longer to find loot you admit is 2x worse.... Does that not affect my loot gain? Does loot per gaming session not count or are you only willing to count 1 raid at a time?

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More oxygen wasted mate.. I wouldnt bother. We know where coathanger hangs his allegiance and its not in a civil conversation.

This thread isn't having an value anymore.. Perhaps to the mods as a dumping ground but not to the th9 vs. th10 farmer.. We just cant agree 90% of the time.

Screenshots of a red streak by a th9 serves no purpose but to infuriate a th10.
If anything supercell should split this conversation in 2.. Then again do we need 2 threads to tell us th10 dont gather loot at the rate of th9's yet have more levels of everything to spend it on...

I think we all get it and having an argument isn't helping.
Steve, hows your data looking now since the league bonus increase?
Probably worse than before as the volume of attacks have gone down from people leaving... Whats next?

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Originally Posted by HollaPingel

I recommend everyone here reads Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud. I just finished it recently and what I have realized is that I spend so much time on this forum looking [wishing] for signs that the game will improve but I keep coming up empty handed. The problem is that we as people try to extract "value" out of things that we need to let go of. Also, we try to imagine something that is not there; we hold on to qualities that are not the complete character. The truth is the game doesn't have any value now to me and that there are no reasons to continue. I don't think its Supercell's fault- it's no one's fault. It's time has passed.

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Well said. Don't let SC off the hook completely though but this drought has maybe just shown the hollowness of the game, typical for a mobile game, rather than ruined it.

Sad. I worked so hard to upgrade my base and to make connections in the game and now I'm afraid to load up CoC. I will remember the friends I made in my previous clan, Suomi Finlandia, and apologize to Lunar Rising for what a useless member I have been recently.



Aleksander, Clashing since 22nd of November 2012, foruming since January 2013, posting since February 2014, signing off.

Goodbye.

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Originally Posted by Aleksander

Well said. Don't let SC off the hook completely though but this drought has maybe just shown the hollowness of the game, typical for a mobile game, rather than ruined it.

Sad. I worked so hard to upgrade my base and to make connections in the game and now I'm afraid to load up CoC. I will remember the friends I made in my previous clan, Suomi Finlandia, and apologize to Lunar Rising for what a useless member I have been recently.



Aleksander, Clashing since 22nd of November 2012, foruming since January 2013, posting since February 2014, signing off.

Goodbye.

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It's sad that you're leaving but what's even sadder is that supercell couldn't care less. (no sarcasm intended)

The arguments and opinions and the obvious loot problems at different TH levels are all over the place. Personally I think that loot depends on the activity of the people playing the game. The game has become more addictive and popular, and so more people playing means less in-actives to take from, and less loot available from storages in general due to the fear of keeping it. Once people loose the hype, and the interest in the game, they will leave. Eventually there will be more loot, just the time needs to wait. The "Clash Apocalypse" will arise one day and loot will only get better from, there. Until then, either hold on and play as much as you need to progress, or stop playing and be part of the solution to better loot.

On a more positive note, The loot in early TH9 has remained good for me. Farming in late gold, taking collectors, and the odd storages.

The game is ♥♥♥♥, the community is ♥♥♥♥ (except for my clan and a few people on here), raiding is ♥♥♥♥, war is boring, and the matchmaking system for war is ♥♥♥♥.


And all that is headed by a company whose greed is only slightly bested by EA's.

This thread has been around almost two months and all we've gotten is the same "We're looking into it" rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Lucu97

The arguments and opinions and the obvious loot problems at different TH levels are all over the place. Personally I think that loot depends on the activity of the people playing the game. The game has become more addictive and popular, and so more people playing means less in-actives to take from, and less loot available from storages in general due to the fear of keeping it. Once people loose the hype, and the interest in the game, they will leave. Eventually there will be more loot, just the time needs to wait. The "Clash Apocalypse" will arise one day and loot will only get better from, there. Until then, either hold on and play as much as you need to progress, or stop playing and be part of the solution to better loot.

On a more positive note, The loot in early TH9 has remained good for me. Farming in late gold, taking collectors, and the odd storages.

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Wow thats a contradiction in itself.
Your opinion is your opinion but as an early th9 you know nothing of th10 raiding.

You live off collectors and the odd storage raid. Well there are next to no th10 people doing this as the bases are all th8's that we don't make any resources off those.

By the way, activity has nothing to do with it when all we (th10's) see is bases offering very little loot all of the time!

Yesterday I farmed 5 million gold thereabouts in master2 with about half coming from the league bonus. I was finding some collector raids, several dead bases with empty everything and even some storage raids... It was really a solid farming day with many options. I nexted less then 10 minutes to find a nice base to hit I think every single raid. I did boost heroes, spell factory, and 1 barrack or 2 most of that time.

It was the best Saturday raiding I have seen in weeks... Now , I have some suspicions, probably Halloween alcohol induced inactivity... I hope the reason is not because people are abandoning their bases in higher numbers because their bases will slowly get pushed down in trophies and out the door.

I've been so unlucky, in the last 5 days I've gotten terrible loot. I went from Silver 1 to Gold 2 and I still can't find good gold/elixir raids.

I know my dogs hope the TH10 loot never improves. I used to sometimes feel guilty clashing instead of playing with them, but lately it's been way more fun (and rewarding) playing with the dogs than raiding.

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Originally Posted by LordHalestorm

I know my dogs hope the TH10 loot never improves. I used to sometimes feel guilty clashing instead of playing with them, but lately it's been way more fun (and rewarding) playing with the dogs than raiding.

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Even folding my socks is more fun and rewarding than raiding.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

The game is ♥♥♥♥, the community is ♥♥♥♥ (except for my clan and a few people on here), raiding is ♥♥♥♥, war is boring, and the matchmaking system for war is ♥♥♥♥.


And all that is headed by a company whose greed is only slightly bested by EA's.

This thread has been around almost two months and all we've gotten is the same "We're looking into it" rubbish.

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I know how you're feeling. And Supercell is only making things worse. Their absence from this thread is just going to make things continue to degrade, and more will feel like you are now. I thought we might be getting somewhere a couple week ago when we started to have some back and forth dialogue from SC here, but since the Halloween update, it appears they were devoured by zombies or something. We haven't heard anything.

I can understand if they may not have figured out the solution quite yet, but their silence does nothing to reassure people that they are working on it or give a ****. Continued silence will just drive more off the game....

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

This thread has been around almost two months and all we've gotten is the same "We're looking into it" rubbish.

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Not exactly, they said that "looking at the stats things are good as always"... so hundreds of people complaining for the bad loot after the terrible 16/9 upgrade are just stupid (the last part was implicit).

Loot is still horrible as we speak.

My clan mates (mostly composed of casuals and women) are slowly getting tired of playing because the game is really unrewarding due to lack of loot.

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Originally Posted by 3zzz

Not exactly, they said that "looking at the stats things are good as always"... so hundreds of people complaining for the bad loot after the terrible 16/9 upgrade are just stupid (the last part was implicit).

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Oh yeah I had forgotten about that. It's a complete lie. It's a fact that the economy has changed; there's most definitely less elixir. Even a toddler would know that.





PS I've just left my clan of 7 months and uninstalled the app. It's quite freeing.

I sure do love all the easy loot I'm finding as a TH8 anywhere from Silver 1 through Gold 1. I seriously have not had a loot problem since I started playing this game over a year ago. Not to say there hasn't been the occasional times when loot seems a bit harder to come by, but for me, that simply adds to the challenge and I like that.

It's interesting to read such angry complaints about a lack of loot that I personally don't experience. Thank you SuperCell, you guys are great, your game is great and you've been good to me!

Much appreciated.

When millions of people play this game, even 100,000 people complaining they aren't finding any good loot bases to attack are hardly a blip on the radar.

I've read enough TH10 players who feel there's plenty of loot to know that once I'm there, although I expect to not get as much loot as easily as a lower TH level, I will find enough to keep the game fun.

Bye to all those who need 400K-500K+ bases to attack to be happy... don't let the door hit you in the butt when you leave, it'll just give you something else to complain about and no one really likes a complainer.

So I'm finding plenty of 100k+ raids as a TH4. Its so ridiculous, because that is far more loot than that level can even use. There is a fundamental problem of how loot is earned/transferred/available.

Its also ridiculous when my TH10 is jealous of my TH4's loot.

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I sure do love all the easy loot I'm finding as a TH8 anywhere from Silver 1 through Gold 1. I seriously have not had a loot problem since I started playing this game over a year ago. Not to say there hasn't been the occasional times when loot seems a bit harder to come by, but for me, that simply adds to the challenge and I like that.

It's interesting to read such angry complaints about a lack of loot that I personally don't experience. Thank you SuperCell, you guys are great, your game is great and you've been good to me!

Much appreciated.

When millions of people play this game, even 100,000 people complaining they aren't finding any good loot bases to attack are hardly a blip on the radar.

I've read enough TH10 players who feel there's plenty of loot to know that once I'm there, although I expect to not get as much loot as easily as a lower TH level, I will find enough to keep the game fun.

Bye to all those who need 400K-500K+ bases to attack to be happy... don't let the door hit you in the butt when you leave, it'll just give you something else to complain about and no one really likes a complainer.

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You are a th8, so I'm really only responding to you because I have nothing better to do.

First of all, nobody wants 400-500k bases. We want to actually see bases that offer more than 120k combined.


Also, you discredit your entire argumet when you say "people are complaining about something I've never experienced." That's like saying world hunger isn't a problem because you've never gone hungry.


Also, here's the trick: SuperCell doesn't care about you or any one player. They care about their profits.

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...people have been dumping their excess elixer into walls. Now when you have 4mil elixer, as compared to the past, you are a target as elixer can upgrade walls. So it's theoretically harder to farm for camps or anything that cost above 4mil elixer unless you have OP walls.

Only way i'm farming now is at masters with league bonuses. Any other ideas for TH10s?

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As a low th10 I agree with this statement. I'm not having too much trouble saving gold (takes longer than before but still doable) but elixir has been taking me ages to save. Much, much, much longer than it has before the elixir wall update and at any other th level. If anything elixir used to be in abundance to the point I never ever had to worry about it.

In general, bases with phat loot worth my time as a th10 require a strong army with at least 3 spells and it adds up to a fair amount of elixir. Eating into profits like this is even more painful as there is definitely loads less elixir on offer than there used to be out there.

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I sure do love all the easy loot I'm finding as a TH8 anywhere from Silver 1 through Gold 1. I seriously have not had a loot problem since I started playing this game over a year ago. Not to say there hasn't been the occasional times when loot seems a bit harder to come by, but for me, that simply adds to the challenge and I like that.

It's interesting to read such angry complaints about a lack of loot that I personally don't experience. Thank you SuperCell, you guys are great, your game is great and you've been good to me!

Much appreciated.

When millions of people play this game, even 100,000 people complaining they aren't finding any good loot bases to attack are hardly a blip on the radar.

I've read enough TH10 players who feel there's plenty of loot to know that once I'm there, although I expect to not get as much loot as easily as a lower TH level, I will find enough to keep the game fun.

Bye to all those who need 400K-500K+ bases to attack to be happy... don't let the door hit you in the butt when you leave, it'll just give you something else to complain about and no one really likes a complainer.

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drinking the CoC kool aid,,,,,, come back when you're th 10

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I know how you're feeling. And Supercell is only making things worse. Their absence from this thread is just going to make things continue to degrade, and more will feel like you are now. I thought we might be getting somewhere a couple week ago when we started to have some back and forth dialogue from SC here, but since the Halloween update, it appears they were devoured by zombies or something. We haven't heard anything.

I can understand if they may not have figured out the solution quite yet, but their silence does nothing to reassure people that they are working on it or give a ****. Continued silence will just drive more off the game....

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Don't rely on what supercell says. Try not to stress over what supercell does, and lastly, do what you can to enjoy the game and get what you can out of it with what time you're willing to put into it.

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Wow thats a contradiction in itself.
Your opinion is your opinion but as an early th9 you know nothing of th10 raiding.

You live off collectors and the odd storage raid. Well there are next to no th10 people doing this as the bases are all th8's that we don't make any resources off those.

By the way, activity has nothing to do with it when all we (th10's) see is bases offering very little loot all of the time!

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I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you. I'm sorry the loot you find is unsubstantial for your needs, I just wanted to share my findings as a new TH9 coming from TH8 loot. I do have an idea of what TH10 raiding is like, I have no experience though.

Just so were clear and on the same page, how much time are you willing to wait for a good find, how around the clock are you for raiding and what leagues do you farm in?

I will wait a good 200 nexts if needed or more if I'm in the mood. I like to farm a few times during the day, for 2-4 hour sessions depending on free time and I usually farm between 1700-2100 trophies.
Like I said it's nothing to be upset over, sharing loot findings player to player is what I'm trying to do here. TH10 is going to be harder one day, for anyone who decides to go there.

2hours 4 barracks & spell factory boosting. not even 1m each. you decide, worth it 50gems and my 2hours time? range c3 time 6-7hours ago.

♥♥♥♥ @ people say loot is good when my every next is 70k,40k,60k .............................................. 60k,30,90k.......next next next.................

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I sure do love all the easy loot I'm finding as a TH8 anywhere from Silver 1 through Gold 1.

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Good Luck when you'll be TH9
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...t-and-TH-level

This is my story of playing this game today.

My base is TH 9, almost max defenses and troops. After finished training, I started to find an opponent hoping will find juicy one. The army compositions are 110 Barbarians, 110 Archers, King, Queen, because it’s more effective and efficient. 15 minutes pressing next, I decided to hit some base because I saw my gold was going down quickly. After that, I calculated and guess what…I only made profit of 12k gold. I laughed very loud until my mom ask me why I laughed like that. 12k gold profit against 4.500k (Archer Tower level 11), it means I have to play 4.500k/12k = 375 times x 15 minutes = 5.625 minutes/60 minutes = 93,75 hours/24 hours = 3,9 days. TH 9 has 6 Archer Towers x 3,9 days = 23,4 days. Tom Cruise said,” It’s Mission Impossible…hahahahaha…”

I wonder someone made this game and how dare they launch and let people playing their game? Even small company will fired their employees if only make 12k profit.

Ok guys, that’s my story, I'm sorry of my bad english, have fun and happy “nexting”…see you…

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This is my story of playing this game today.

My base is TH 9, almost max defenses and troops. After finished training, I started to find an opponent hoping will find juicy one. The army compositions are 110 Barbarians, 110 Archers, King, Queen, because it’s more effective and efficient. 15 minutes pressing next, I decided to hit some base because I saw my gold was going down quickly. After that, I calculated and guess what…I only made profit of 12k gold. I laughed very loud until my mom ask me why I laughed like that. 12k gold profit against 4.500k (Archer Tower level 11), it means I have to play 4.500k/12k = 375 times x 15 minutes = 5.625 minutes/60 minutes = 93,75 hours/24 hours = 3,9 days. TH 9 has 6 Archer Towers x 3,9 days = 23,4 days. Tom Cruise said,” It’s Mission Impossible…hahahahaha…”

I wonder someone made this game and how dare they launch and let people playing their game? Even small company will fired their employees if only make 12k profit.

Ok guys, that’s my story, I'm sorry of my bad english, have fun and happy “nexting”…see you…

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Loot is always bad on Mondays and weekends.

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Good Luck when you'll be TH9
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...t-and-TH-level

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Thanks for that link

Nearly 30% at time of poll were happy with loot at TH9 14 happy 33 not happy. No where near as bad as a few Th9 make it out to be.

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Originally Posted by Jazzzzzzzzzz

This is my story of playing this game today.

My base is TH 9, almost max defenses and troops. After finished training, I started to find an opponent hoping will find juicy one. The army compositions are 110 Barbarians, 110 Archers, King, Queen, because it’s more effective and efficient. 15 minutes pressing next, I decided to hit some base because I saw my gold was going down quickly. After that, I calculated and guess what…I only made profit of 12k gold. I laughed very loud until my mom ask me why I laughed like that. 12k gold profit against 4.500k (Archer Tower level 11), it means I have to play 4.500k/12k = 375 times x 15 minutes = 5.625 minutes/60 minutes = 93,75 hours/24 hours = 3,9 days. TH 9 has 6 Archer Towers x 3,9 days = 23,4 days. Tom Cruise said,” It’s Mission Impossible…hahahahaha…”

I wonder someone made this game and how dare they launch and let people playing their game? Even small company will fired their employees if only make 12k profit.

Ok guys, that’s my story, I'm sorry of my bad english, have fun and happy “nexting”…see you…

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The only problem I see here you left yourself very short on the gold. Bering ex army that is very badmin (bad administration) I see of you. You know a lot TH9 are experiencing in this thread bad loot. 70% according to above poll, I happy with loot and would never leave myself that short on gold if I was going to raid.

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Thanks for that link

Nearly 30% at time of poll were happy with loot at TH9 14 happy 33 not happy.

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that's not the percentage of TH9's that were happy/ not happy.

Thats the percentage of TH9's who bothered voting.

My maths isnt great first thing in the morning - but isnt that around 1/3 of people at TH9 thought that the loot was 'fine' ?
And 'fine' does not = good.

various things affect how people find loot - including if they maxed their base or not.

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that's not the percentage of TH9's that were happy/ not happy.

Thats the percentage of TH9's who bothered voting.

My maths isnt great first thing in the morning - but isnt that around 1/3 of people at TH9 thought that the loot was 'fine' ?
And 'fine' does not = good.

various things affect how people find loot - including if they maxed their base or not.

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Haha laughing now. All I keep hearing by the moaning TH9, who obviously doing something wrong, because they can not find loot that they are happy with,say this thread reflects that there a massive problem for TH9. There quite a few TH9 who say there are happy, and this poor people get accused of lying, ♥♥♥♥♥ing and other not so nice words. This thread as you now say means nothing either than really. Because only a small portion of forum have posted in it. This ting portion of the forum reflects an even smaller portion of people playing the game.

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Haha laughing now. All I keep hearing by the moaning TH9, who obviously doing something wrong, because they can not find loot that they are happy with,say this thread reflects that there a massive problem for TH9. There quite a few TH9 who say there are happy, and this poor people get accused of lying, ♥♥♥♥♥ing and other not so nice words. This thread as you now say means nothing either than really. Because only a small portion of forum have posted in it. This ting portion of the forum reflects an even smaller portion of people playing the game.

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All surveys are small samples - it does not make their results invalid.

Remind me of how many hours you play a day?

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All surveys are small samples - it does not make their results invalid.

Remind me of how many hours you play a day?

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Me I play at the moment real life permitting 10-12 hours. So this thread a few drops rain into an ocean then. lots pages, but not that many different people actually expressed their opinion here. You take out the top 50 poster and there will not be that many pages left.

You said means nothing really because it reflects the opinion of such a small percentage of the playing population. And not of all it is bad. I still think Th 9 saying they haveing loot problems, have to high expectations, or doing something mayor wrong in the way they play.

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Me I play at the moment real life permitting 10-12 hours. So this thread a few drops rain into an ocean then. lots pages, but not that many different people actually expressed their opinion here. You take out the top 50 poster and there will not be that many pages left.

You said means nothing really because it reflects the opinion of such a small percentage of the playing population. And not of all it is bad. I still think Th 9 saying they haveing loot problems, have to high expectations, or doing something mayor wrong in the way they play.

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10-12 hours......

That's quite a long time playing throughout the day. How much gold / elixir do you raid (separate stats pls) per day? And what army do you use? What trophy range? What are the main THs you are attacking? How many builders have you got?

What do you consider to be high expectations?


"You said means nothing really"

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm guessing that you have left some words out. I was under the impression in the first quote I responded to that you mis interpreted the statistics. I still think that you did. 2/3rds of the people who responded were not happy with the loot. (Was my maths wrong?)

There have been quite a few other polls i the same ilk in this forum. I cant remember them having great results for TH9 either.

You've posted quite a bit here - I'm guessing you must be in the top 50 surely? I'm not interested in the number of posts but the quality of them. Some people have posted a lot for example, ZachUVA, & have made some very valid observations.

If anyone is looking for a clan ur welcome here at Plagiarism

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I sure do love all the easy loot I'm finding as a TH8 anywhere from Silver 1 through Gold 1. I seriously have not had a loot problem since I started playing this game over a year ago.

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After a year of playing you are still at TH8? Do you only have 1 builder? Well i guess that's one way to solve the problem of loot exiting the economy.

I can understand people coming to this forum to express their concerns about their ability to farm economically and make progress in the game. I can understand people being disappointed when their clanmates leave the game because they cannot make any progress in the game. I can understand people regretting the loss of the fun factor in the game due to the slow progress they are making, and who try to discover whether things might change by accessing this forum.

But what motivates someone to come onto this forum to vehemently deny that there are any problems and to argue so emphatically that all is well? To take time out of a game they are really enjoying, and making rapid progress in, to write at length about the falsity of claims made by others that loot is scarce.

It seems a weird thing to do unless they are getting tired of forging through the game at a high rate of knots and feel the need to let go at the saddos who are having problems with the game.....

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I can understand people coming to this forum to express their concerns about their ability to farm economically and make progress in the game. I can understand people being disappointed when their clanmates leave the game because they cannot make any progress in the game. I can understand people regretting the loss of the fun factor in the game due to the slow progress they are making, and who try to discover whether things might change by accessing this forum.

But what motivates someone to come onto this forum to vehemently deny that there are any problems and to argue so emphatically that all is well? To take time out of a game they are really enjoying, and making rapid progress in, to write at length about the falsity of claims made by others that loot is scarce.

It seems a weird thing to do unless they are getting tired of forging through the game at a high rate of knots and feel the need to let go at the saddos who are having problems with the game.....

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We all know why. I know, for sure, one person who does it to troll. As in, I know them. No guessing.

The rest are either trolling too or shills.

Although what I preficted seems to be coming true. SC put a minuscule amount if loot back in the game and some people are "happy" now.

Loot is still terrible...Fix it already SC.
Like really!
Next...

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I can understand people coming to this forum to express their concerns about their ability to farm economically and make progress in the game. I can understand people being disappointed when their clanmates leave the game because they cannot make any progress in the game. I can understand people regretting the loss of the fun factor in the game due to the slow progress they are making, and who try to discover whether things might change by accessing this forum.

But what motivates someone to come onto this forum to vehemently deny that there are any problems and to argue so emphatically that all is well? To take time out of a game they are really enjoying, and making rapid progress in, to write at length about the falsity of claims made by others that loot is scarce.

It seems a weird thing to do unless they are getting tired of forging through the game at a high rate of knots and feel the need to let go at the saddos who are having problems with the game.....

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Good question. Historically there have always been complaints about loot. For the most part the comments were predictable on every thread. What has happened recently is that people seem to be turning it into a slanging match.

I doubt that both extremes are true for the majority of the time. However that said loot is/ can be highly variable. The fact that we are so many pages in and no agreement had been reached as to what is / isnt good is depressing.

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I will wait a good 200 nexts if needed or more if I'm in the mood. I like to farm a few times during the day, for 2-4 hour sessions depending on free time and I usually farm between 1700-2100 trophies.
Like I said it's nothing to be upset over, sharing loot findings player to player is what I'm trying to do here. TH10 is going to be harder one day, for anyone who decides to go there.

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At TH10 you just wasted 200,000 gold. Better hope you find a 400+ to make it worth it.

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I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you. I'm sorry the loot you find is unsubstantial for your needs, I just wanted to share my findings as a new TH9 coming from TH8 loot. I do have an idea of what TH10 raiding is like, I have no experience though.

Just so were clear and on the same page, how much time are you willing to wait for a good find, how around the clock are you for raiding and what leagues do you farm in?

I will wait a good 200 nexts if needed or more if I'm in the mood. I like to farm a few times during the day, for 2-4 hour sessions depending on free time and I usually farm between 1700-2100 trophies.
Like I said it's nothing to be upset over, sharing loot findings player to player is what I'm trying to do here. TH10 is going to be harder one day, for anyone who decides to go there.

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Pressing next 200 times as a TH9???
Are you seriously telling me, a TH10 spending more gold nexting than yourself, to keep pressing the button to find a good raid?? it matters not how long im online whether its 10 minutes or 10 hours... the raids are continually the same.
Telling me to spend more time playing the game to look for a good raid???
You've heard of the word 'profit' yes? At TH10 this is rare... rare indeed.

im not even gonna touch on the facts that this is a mobile game not a job and that the very company that make it want attacking similar level of players to be the norm but don't reward you when you do, just strangle you when you don't.

Sorry bud but you cant say you have an idea what raiding as a TH10 is like then tell me you have no experience at it.

not making an enemy of you either but if you have to press the button 200 times to find a good raid then the system is broken

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Good question. Historically there have always been complaints about loot. For the most part the comments were predictable on every thread. What has happened recently is that people seem to be turning it into a slanging match.

I doubt that both extremes are true for the majority of the time. However that said loot is/ can be highly variable. The fact that we are so many pages in and no agreement had been reached as to what is / isnt good is depressing.

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I have to disagree. For myself, and the people that I know that play its not highly variable. It just plain stinks. Good on the people who are finding it though. Wish it was me.

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I have to disagree. For myself, and the people that I know that play its not highly variable. It just plain stinks. Good on the people who are finding it though. Wish it was me.

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I might be crazy, but it sure seems for me that time of day matters. Morning through the day in the US stinks, but at night I clean up. Could be my own selective memory, but it sure seems true. I've given people my exact range and strategy, but they don't find the bases I do. There has to be some sort of reason why.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ing-xmod-games

There is no problem with mods or bots... Move on, nothing to see here, couldn't possibly be affecting the game economy....

This is my experience as a th8.

As the days roll by, it gets harder and harder. at first i didnt have a problem at all. I was wondering what all the fuss was about. However now it is apparent that things are drying up and drying up fast. Periodically i was able to find abandoned bases which really helped me out. Now im not so lucky at all. it takes a very long time to find a base worth 150k in resources. and when i do find these bases, the defense is so good i usually only bank 50-60% of the resources. this leaves me with 75kish. Since barching is no longer as effective, i use a suitable army(giants wiz archers gobs etc). this eats up my elixer drastically. When i log off after a raid to go about my daily buisness, i get raided. if its a TH9 the probability of them 3 staring me is very high. if ive been saving up for an upgrade then im pretty much screwed off 3 hours of raiding.i try not to use spells because if i do my elixer income becomes negative.

the best thing to do is stay up until 3am and raid. however; lately even this has not helped. last night i couldnt find anything at all. things were so scarce i felt like will smith in " I am legend".

I find the people who are saying loot is good are the ones with their bases decked out because they upgraded their defenses during the "golden area" and can now have open season on us peons. Assure me when i say; supercell will lose alot of new comers if this keeps up. I consider myself an intelligent raider, and yet still i cant get a reasonable income. I can only imagine all the other less skillful players in the game. I also realize that as a th8, earning enough resources is supposed to be real easy. If th9 is anything like what im experiencing now i dont want to continue.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what i can do? I am thinking about posting pics here on showing all my raids and searches. will that help with this issue? looking for input here. supercell where are you guys?

1. A REAL change to the Loot system so I can get decent loot without 100-200 Nexts.
2. Solve the bot issue AND inform the community about it.

I want tons of other stuff, like Pekka 4 to TH9, Heroes awake in wars while upgrading, easier troop ordering, Opt In/Our for war and many other things but they don't prevent me from playing. However my little list do.

It's a short list SC, and until it's fixed I only do wars and slowly put all produced loot in walls.

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1. A REAL change to the Loot system so I can get decent loot without 100-200 Nexts.
2. Solve the bot issue AND inform the community about it.

I want tons of other stuff, like Pekka 4 to TH9, Heroes awake in wars while upgrading, easier troop ordering, Opt In/Our for war and many other things but they don't prevent me from playing. However my little list do.

It's a short list SC, and until it's fixed I only do wars and slowly put all produced loot in walls.

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The game deserves point 1 & 2 being addressed.
Your list of 'I WANTS', while worthy of implementation for various reasons, wont be done with demands or a refusal to play the game. ;)

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1. A REAL change to the Loot system so I can get decent loot without 100-200 Nexts.
2. Solve the bot issue AND inform the community about it.

I want tons of other stuff, like Pekka 4 to TH9, Heroes awake in wars while upgrading, easier troop ordering, Opt In/Our for war and many other things but they don't prevent me from playing. However my little list do.

It's a short list SC, and until it's fixed I only do wars and slowly put all produced loot in walls.

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Not gonna happen. At least until the sun burns out and the solar system going off course.

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Not gonna happen. At least until the sun burns out and the solar system going off course.

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Lol :cool:. I put on my sunglasses while I wait then. Well, I have some fun with wars in my clan so I can live with it and play other games instead of raiding but it's somehow sad too.

too many user is "ABUSING" Xmod / auto next / Simulate attack( Simul 1st before Attack Clan War to find out trap)
Is this still fair play game ???
and there's no ban for xmod user ???
is dat xmod is Free for use ??

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too many user is "ABUSING" Xmod / auto next / Simulate attack( Simul 1st before Attack Clan War to find out trap)
Is this still fair play game ???
and there's no ban for xmod user ???
is dat xmod is Free for use ??

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and what about those f***ing Bots ? running 24/7, drying the entire game ???
just have a look to YouTube, searching for: Clash Bot attack....

Those programs come from Asia, Asia where Coc arrived a not so long time ago..
Have you ever look to "theirs" (chinese) profiles ??
A lot are around 2.000.000.000 gold grab.. (i think it block at 2.000.000.000)
Who can explain me how ? (another answer than bot, for sure)
I play this game since october 2012, my wife call me "addict", and i'm only at 700.000.000 gold grab...

If SC monitor his game, they cannot say they don't see that !

Blurp's.

I still dont understand how th10s are having loot issues rn. If you cant find collectors then go to masters 4 24 loons 60 mins and make like bank. If you need elixir you can barch the league bonus. After 100k elixir win bonus and the 60k+ elxir you can safely say you average when you dont target elixir you are only losing like max 1mil elixir if you attack every hr for your waking hrs a day.

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You have still failed to explain how a 33% increase in nexting costs with 50% loot penalty against th8's (th9s primary loot sources) equates to a loss of over 4 times in loot for th10. Let alone how upgrades can possibly cost 3 times more between th9-10. You lose is 40% of the loot from th8s when you go to th10. Upgrades are not 3 times the cost. The statement remains honestly untrue.

Yes, I assert that Inactives in higher leagues do not get removed due to player populations which affect their likelihood of showing up. They get pushed down into lower leagues where they become increasingly difficult to find and thus raid. You do not find them in abundance in higher leagues due to the ratios of active inactive populations. Talk about about misconstruing someone's words....

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Yes those are all low level leagues with huge player populations both active and inactive. No surprise that some Inactives in lower leagues fall out of matchmaking. The discussion is over high league Inactives. Do you have evidence of high league Inactives that go unraided?

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Do you have any evidence of villages going unraided once they hit this proposed wall at 2800-3000?

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Anyone and everyone who comes across them, they are prized treasures and the people in high leagues are more than capable of taking the loot from an inactive village as well as a 40%, giving them a shield.

Increased player activity has significant impacts on how often people will see Inactives. It is not about being unlucky in finding them it is about being lucky enough to find them. Are you unlucky if you cannot regularly roll 100 on a die or lucky when you do?

Increased player activity is the cause. Do the bots represent more raids than the millions of people actively playing? They cannot specifically target Inactives they target a village based on how much loot they have regardless of where it is at.

To answer your question, I do see a decrease in inactive availability and this decrease grows larger the further I move up in leagues. Why? More active players are in higher leagues now, inflation. I do find Inactives in abundance when I drop cups, as do others, many top clan's memebers routinely drop cups to gold 1 to farm for new upgrades now, why?

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I largely agree with these observations but disagree with what is in bold. I do not believe there is a time limit. Their 'removal' is likely tied to player populations relative to thier trophies and how matchmaking works in regards to them. I argue that thier lack of abundance in crystal league and up is due to players pushing them down in leagues while putting them on shield. Also active players represent the bulk of players in higher leagues further thinning the inactive herd.

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♥♥♥♥ Give it a rest bro. You're on this thread every single day at every single hour. Go do something productive with your life. I mean I know this thread IS your life right now, but damn.
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I think Super Cell likes it just the way it is !!

SC knows kids are playing with mommy's and daddy's money up to TH8.
TH9 and TH10 it's PAY to PLAY !!!

Your not a kid playing anymore you are now a whale to fatten SC pockets !!

SC knows that it takes an adult or at the very least someone in high school with access to money to play at TH10..
If you get to TH10 SC wants you to "PAY to PLAY" and not just for your upgrades. Farmers made too much loot in the old system. So SC cut loot and added more defenses !!

If SC wanted to stop BOTS they could !!
They don't !!!
90% of the BOTs are from countries where they spell there names and clans with squiggly lines !

STOP the freaking BOTS !!!

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and what about those f***ing Bots ? running 24/7, drying the entire game ???
just have a look to YouTube, searching for: Clash Bot attack....

Those programs come from Asia, Asia where Coc arrived a not so long time ago..
Have you ever look to "theirs" (chinese) profiles ??
A lot are around 2.000.000.000 gold grab.. (i think it block at 2.000.000.000)
Who can explain me how ? (another answer than bot, for sure)
I play this game since october 2012, my wife call me "addict", and i'm only at 700.000.000 gold grab...

If SC monitor his game, they cannot say they don't see that !

Blurp's.

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There is no doubt ♥♥♥♥♥ing is going on. I'd love to see the real numbers and impact on the game.

I don't think some people realize how badly even a few ♥♥♥♥♥ers can throw off or even ruin a game. It's hapoened before to even the most popular games. COD multiplayer comes to mind. Totally ruins the experience for those who don't ♥♥♥♥♥.

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I still dont understand how th10s are having loot issues rn. If you cant find collectors then go to masters 4 24 loons 60 mins and make like bank. If you need elixir you can barch the league bonus. After 100k elixir win bonus and the 60k+ elxir you can safely say you average when you dont target elixir you are only losing like max 1mil elixir if you attack every hr for your waking hrs a day.

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seriously, i mean seriously, did u really try to farm at master before making this claim? im boosting 60gems per session and cant make even 2m each.im th9, let alone th10. loonion setup ready after 15minutes but only 1 spell. what do you expect when u see most base with almost max defence?taking it all?

edit 2: now im back to c2,c1 but same boring nexting. if only i found those juicy base, i dont mind spending my gems. yes i do have almost 10k available from my 14k purchase.

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seriously, i mean seriously, did u really try to farm at master before making this claim? im boosting 60gems per session and cant make even 2m each.im th9, let alone th10. loonion setup ready after 15minutes but only 1 spell. what do you expect when u see most base with almost max defence?taking it all?

edit 2: now im back to c2,c1 but same boring nexting. if only i found those juicy base, i dont mind spending my gems. yes i do have almost 10k available from my 14k purchase.

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Well yeah, a TH9 is going to struggle in masters. Its good for loonian at TH10 though. The win bonus is usually enough to cover my nexting and loons, DE is everywhere so the minion cost doesn't matter.

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I still dont understand how th10s are having loot issues rn. If you cant find collectors then go to masters 4 24 loons 60 mins and make like bank. If you need elixir you can barch the league bonus. After 100k elixir win bonus and the 60k+ elxir you can safely say you average when you dont target elixir you are only losing like max 1mil elixir if you attack every hr for your waking hrs a day.

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Just came from masters 1.
You can only get the loot bonus if you win. Nobody is leaving th's out and I don't feel like using 230K + elix raids to get a win.

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♥♥♥♥ Give it a rest bro. You're on this thread every single day at every single hour. Go do something productive with your life. I mean I know this thread IS your life right now, but damn.
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Muted him last week.
He reminds me of the Charlie Brown teacher.
Waa, waa, waa, waa, waa...***

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There is no doubt ♥♥♥♥♥ing is going on. I'd love to see the real numbers and impact on the game.

I don't think some people realize how badly even a few ♥♥♥♥♥ers can throw off or even ruin a game. It's hapoened before to even the most popular games. COD multiplayer comes to mind. Totally ruins the experience for those who don't ♥♥♥♥♥.

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My Th09 got hit last night for the first time. Just recorded the video as per SC request.

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seriously, i mean seriously, did u really try to farm at master before making this claim? im boosting 60gems per session and cant make even 2m each.im th9, let alone th10. loonion setup ready after 15minutes but only 1 spell. what do you expect when u see most base with almost max defence?taking it all?

edit 2: now im back to c2,c1 but same boring nexting. if only i found those juicy base, i dont mind spending my gems. yes i do have almost 10k available from my 14k purchase.

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172 k gold to finally hit a th09 with 130 of each and 1650 dark. I'm still in Crystal 2 so the bonus was a bit of a help.

Next...

I'm soon to be th10 so i thought id climb a bit to find a good farming range
Upper crystal has been completely dead, almost at masters but doubt it would be better there
I have no idea why loot is so good under 2000 but then it gets completely rubbish beyond that, the league bonus sort of helps but not really

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I'm soon to be th10 so i thought id climb a bit to find a good farming range
Upper crystal has been completely dead, almost at masters but doubt it would be better there
I have no idea why loot is so good under 2000 but then it gets completely rubbish beyond that, the league bonus sort of helps but not really

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I'm not sure I agree that it's so good under 2000. How long have you been playing?

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I'm soon to be th10 so i thought id climb a bit to find a good farming range
Upper crystal has been completely dead, almost at masters but doubt it would be better there
I have no idea why loot is so good under 2000 but then it gets completely rubbish beyond that, the league bonus sort of helps but not really

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Once you go to TH10, you can say goodbye to staying under 2000 anymore if you want any sort of profit. You have to press the next button so many times past TH8s (50% penalty) and below (75%+ penalty) that the low league bonus will never cover it for a TH10. Because of trophy inflation, you will find these TH8s and TH7s clogging up all the Crystal leagues pretty soon as well.

Let us know how your looting goes once you take the leap to TH10.

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I'm soon to be th10 so i thought id climb a bit to find a good farming range
Upper crystal has been completely dead, almost at masters but doubt it would be better there
I have no idea why loot is so good under 2000 but then it gets completely rubbish beyond that, the league bonus sort of helps but not really

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When you say 'loot is good', what exactly do you mean? A lot of inactives? Or abundance of storage bases that are NOT maxed bases?

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I'm not sure I agree that it's so good under 2000. How long have you been playing?

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I'm a maxed th9 except my heroes are lvl28, and i can tell you compared to 2000-2600 anything is good, you could literall spend all day playing and only make 1 mil out of it, still looking for where i should be farming as a th10

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When you say 'loot is good', what exactly do you mean? A lot of inactives? Or abundance of storage bases that are NOT maxed bases?

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I'd say it is a bit of both.

You will still get TH s maxing their bases and inactives. People like me are still farming down here.

There are more and more TH7&8 creeping into crysal... Not sure where the TH9s are. Those in crystal dont seem to be farming upgrades. Just walls and heroes.

Ok, so let me get this straight.

If I have 2,000,000 in my storages, that means that any TH9 (I am TH9) should see 200,000.

I think the smallest upgrade for a TH9 is 3.5 mil or so.

So on Saturday, I got to 4.5 million and I upgraded an X-Bow, I played a couple of hours on Sunday and of course have been collecting my mines. In that time I am already at 1.8 million.

So anyone seeing my base will see at least 180,000 plus half of what is in my mines and pumps.

If that’s right, I don’t understand how I can be seeing so many bases with less than 50,000. I find it hard to believe that most players dump everything when they finish playing. I would think that most players don’t have 6 to 8 hours a day to play so they can farm an upgrade before bed and dump the rest into walls.

There must be more people who play like I do, that is slowly build up the gold a little every day till then hit an upgrade and them dump it all. I don’t understand how there can be so many bases with so little loot. I am tending to think that SC not only prioritizes active players but also active players who don’t hold loot.

It just seems really odd to me, shouldn’t we be seeing more of a range of numbers. So out of 100 nexts should we not see most of them in the bell area of a bell curve? Instead most numbers I see are below the 50,000 mark.

Maybe it’s just me but it seems kind of odd.

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Ok, so let me get this straight.

If I have 2,000,000 in my storages, that means that any TH9 (I am TH9) should see 200,000.

I think the smallest upgrade for a TH9 is 3.5 mil or so.

So on Saturday, I got to 4.5 million and I upgraded an X-Bow, I played a couple of hours on Sunday and of course have been collecting my mines. In that time I am already at 1.8 million.

So anyone seeing my base will see at least 180,000 plus half of what is in my mines and pumps.

If that’s right, I don’t understand how I can be seeing so many bases with less than 50,000. I find it hard to believe that most players dump everything when they finish playing. I would think that most players don’t have 6 to 8 hours a day to play so they can farm an upgrade before bed and dump the rest into walls.

There must be more people who play like I do, that is slowly build up the gold a little every day till then hit an upgrade and them dump it all. I don’t understand how there can be so many bases with so little loot. I am tending to think that SC not only prioritizes active players but also active players who don’t hold loot.

It just seems really odd to me, shouldn’t we be seeing more of a range of numbers. So out of 100 nexts should we not see most of them in the bell area of a bell curve? Instead most numbers I see are below the 50,000 mark.

Maybe it’s just me but it seems kind of odd.

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No I think the same thing. Right now I watched a replay of my last defense. The guy saw me holding 400,000 gold. Why don't I see that? I think I've seen that amount maybe four times total. And when I gemmed more yes, I'd hold that much for days. You mean to tell me no one else does that?

I've often thought the very same thing. They hide players holding big amounts. Not sure if I buy it, but I'm not ruling it out.

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No I think the same thing. Right now I watched a replay of my last defense. The guy saw me holding 400,000 gold. Why don't I see that? I think I've seen that amount maybe four times total. And when I gemmed more yes, I'd hold that much for days. You mean to tell me no one else does that?

I've often thought the very same thing. They hide players holding big amounts. Not sure if I buy it, but I'm not ruling it out.

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I don't think they're hiding them.

After all, that guy found you, right?

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No I think the same thing. Right now I watched a replay of my last defense. The guy saw me holding 400,000 gold. Why don't I see that? I think I've seen that amount maybe four times total. And when I gemmed more yes, I'd hold that much for days. You mean to tell me no one else does that?

I've often thought the very same thing. They hide players holding big amounts. Not sure if I buy it, but I'm not ruling it out.

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Players with large amounts are usually smart. Smart players leave their THs outside if they remotely care about resources. They get sniped, you never see the base. Smart, but bad game design.

The problem is linking the reward (loot) to how much a defender is holding. The clan wars system is much better, as a base is worth a calculated amount based on difficulty. Now if only that scaled for 1, 2 and 3 stars, then we have a good system.

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No I think the same thing. Right now I watched a replay of my last defense. The guy saw me holding 400,000 gold. Why don't I see that? I think I've seen that amount maybe four times total. And when I gemmed more yes, I'd hold that much for days. You mean to tell me no one else does that?

I've often thought the very same thing. They hide players holding big amounts. Not sure if I buy it, but I'm not ruling it out.

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Those bases with the large amounts of loot probably have their TH outside. If they are snipped their base is shielded.

Plus those holding a lot of lot are likely to be attacked by players with the better armies and be shielded the first time.

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Players with large amounts are usually smart. Smart players leave their THs outside if they remotely care about resources. They get sniped, you never see the base. Smart, but bad game design.

The problem is linking the reward (loot) to how much a defender is holding. The clan wars system is much better, as a base is worth a calculated amount based on difficulty. Now if only that scaled for 1, 2 and 3 stars, then we have a good system.

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It's true, my TH is almost always outside unless I'm actively playing, and I have never been able to revenge anyone they are ether on line or behind a shield.

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It's true, my TH is almost always outside unless I'm actively playing, and I have never been able to revenge anyone they are ether on line or behind a shield.

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I can't remember the last time I even tried to revenge. It is always online or shielded (as really any active player should be). If you looked at a given day, my base is probably shielded for 95%+ of the 24 hours. The system relies on a balance of active and inactive players. I think that is a game design flaw....

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The problem is linking the reward (loot) to how much a defender is holding. The clan wars system is much better, as a base is worth a calculated amount based on difficulty. Now if only that scaled for 1, 2 and 3 stars, then we have a good system.

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I may have misunderstood you ... Pls bear with me.

So under the system as you said above - the amount on offer wouldnt be based on the loot held by an individual base?

Chapter 1 : Free player will uninstall this game and find another game which they think more playable because according to them it’s wasting time spend 15 minutes or 30 minutes training troops and spend another time about 15 minutes to find a base which can cover the army cost and searching cost. 30 minutes up to 45 minutes only once attack and less of profit, they will get bored and they don’t want spend their time all day long in front of their mobile phone, tab or computer.

Chapter 2 : Pay player will stop buying gems because according to them there is no point boosting barracks/upgrade defenses/troops with gems but they still hard to find loot and they start writing on forum to explain how they upset of this game.

Chapter 3 : New free player and pay player will come but they will do the same as Chapter 1 and Chapter 2.

Chapter 4 : Profit of selling gems will drop drastically and this game will lose a large number of players.

Chapter 5 : SC will be busy doing a variety of ways in order to keep their game still make a profit for them.

Chapter 6 : 4 or 5 star on Google Play will going down into 1 star. Maybe they will get if there is -1 or -2 star.

Chapter 7 : Clash of Clans will remove from Google Play list.

Chapter 8 : Finally, this game will be a history.

I’m sorry of my bad English, have fun and happy “nexting”…see you guys…

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I don't think they're hiding them.

After all, that guy found you, right?

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Well I don't know about hiding them. Bad wording on my part. I just use to see sooooo many more juicy bases. Now it's like I'm lucky to see one a raiding session

So where do i barch as a th10? I know I can go for league bonus in high masters later, but what about as a new th10, has anyone been having any luck anywhere?

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I may have misunderstood you ... Pls bear with me.

So under the system as you said above - the amount on offer wouldnt be based on the loot held by an individual base?

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Correct. Its just an idea many have been tossing around. Essentially, there isn't a loot problem as much as a nexting problem. Tons of bases are not worth attacking. Why is that? Because they don't hold any loot.

To me, that is just silly. Now, players would certainly still lose loot when raided. But why does it have to be a zero sum game? Increasing league bonuses was a good start, but I think that each base needs to have more intrinsic value (separate from the loot held by the player) that makes it worthwhile to attack.

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Well I don't know about hiding them. Bad wording on my part. I just use to see sooooo many more juicy bases. Now it's like I'm lucky to see one a raiding session

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I'd say that a reasonable explanation is that there is simply less resources going around nowadays, rather than the bases with more resources being hidden.

If the same amount of resources are still being produced each day, the only explanation is that those resources are being spent more quickly now.

Loot is bad, bla bla... No need to say anything supercell, obviously, doesn't care.

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Chapter 1 : Free player will uninstall this game and find another game which they think more playable because according to them it’s wasting time spend 15 minutes or 30 minutes training troops and spend another time about 15 minutes to find a base which can cover the army cost and searching cost. 30 minutes up to 45 minutes only once attack and less of profit, they will get bored and they don’t want spend their time all day long in front of their mobile phone, tab or computer.

Chapter 2 : Pay player will stop buying gems because according to them there is no point boosting barracks/upgrade defenses/troops with gems but they still hard to find loot and they start writing on forum to explain how they upset of this game.

Chapter 3 : New free player and pay player will come but they will do the same as Chapter 1 and Chapter 2.

Chapter 4 : Profit of selling gems will drop drastically and this game will lose a large number of players.

Chapter 5 : SC will be busy doing a variety of ways in order to keep their game still make a profit for them.

Chapter 6 : 4 or 5 star on Google Play will going down into 1 star. Maybe they will get if there is -1 or -2 star.

Chapter 7 : Clash of Clans will remove from Google Play list.

Chapter 8 : Finally, this game will be a history.

I’m sorry of my bad English, have fun and happy “nexting”…see you guys…

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Instead of actually fixing what they broke they already are trying to lure unsuspecting players in. The advertising I've seen lately is crazy. So they are blowing millions and millions of their advertising budget instead of fixing the game. That right there shows they don't care about the old customers. They used us and are done with us. They are rolling out the red carpet for new players.


New players that won't know what good raiding us like and will gem until the get to th9 and see the raiding sucks. But by then SC will have made profit off of them too.

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Well I don't know about hiding them. Bad wording on my part. I just use to see sooooo many more juicy bases. Now it's like I'm lucky to see one a raiding session

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You know, the guys over in Boom Beach have figured out that there is now a cap on what players see. Basically, if a base offers to much loot, it simply shows you a smaller number, and they are now limiting the number of bases you see and can attack.

Yes, SC has messed up that game to.

I wonder if SC is doing the same thing here but we just haven't figured it out yet.

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

I'd say that a reasonable explanation is that there is simply less resources going around nowadays, rather than the bases with more resources being hidden.

If the same amount of resources are still being produced each day, the only explanation is that those resources are being spent more quickly now.

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As in......dumped into walls before logging off? ;)

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You know, the guys over in Boom Beach have figured out that there is now a cap on what players see. Basically, if a base offers to much loot, it simply shows you a smaller number, and they are now limiting the number of bases you see and can attack.

Yes, SC has messed up that game to.

I wonder if SC is doing the same thing here but we just haven't figured it out yet.

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Who knows. With the greed first everything else a distant second mentality business has nowadays I wouldn't doubt it.

You know in the beginning I use to feel bad for devs that lost out because of piracy and other factors. Now? Don't care. It seems most of them deserve it.

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Instead of actually fixing what they broke they already are trying to lure unsuspecting players in. The advertising I've seen lately is crazy. So they are blowing millions and millions of their advertising budget instead of fixing the game. That right there shows they don't care about the old customers. They used us and are done with us. They are rolling out the red carpet for new players.


New players that won't know what good raiding us like and will gem until the get to th9 and see the raiding sucks. But by then SC will have made profit off of them too.

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Yes, I think your right, but that's not a sustainable model. Eventually people will have seen the commercials and made the call to try it or not. At some point spending millions will only get a few new players. If they are truly thinking log term they need to set up a game that can be played long term.

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Originally Posted by Jorgy4459

Instead of actually fixing what they broke they already are trying to lure unsuspecting players in. The advertising I've seen lately is crazy. So they are blowing millions and millions of their advertising budget instead of fixing the game. That right there shows they don't care about the old customers. They used us and are done with us. They are rolling out the red carpet for new players.


New players that won't know what good raiding us like and will gem until the get to th9 and see the raiding sucks. But by then SC will have made profit off of them too.

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Only time will tell...

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Yes, I think your right, but that's not a sustainable model. Eventually people will have seen the commercials and made the call to try it or not. At some point spending millions will only get a few new players. If they are truly thinking log term they need to set up a game that can be played long term.

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Agreed...that's what we called pure business and customer oriented...