The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by ReyBozza

I am responding to the reply of a TH10 player who is having difficulties farming. In my clan, myself included, there are around 7-8 players farming in champ and all sharing the same experience as I do. So why is it one of the dumbest things to say when I try to recommend farming in champs to a fellow champ (and NOT to everyone as you are stating...)?

Awaiting your response with a lot of curiosity...

Rey

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There is still tons of loot... you just need to find it!

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You should also be able, as a th10, to find loot outside champs, without nexting for 15min. It's like saying "as a top10 player you get tons of loot. you just need to push". But not everyone wants to play 6 hours in a row and/or spend money and/or press next for hours. Only because you play at least for 2h in a row (guess because you boost) doesn't mean everyone has to do it.
I want to login every 2-3 hours, next for about 1-2 min, attack and log off. If someone wants to be quick, it's ok to boost.

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Originally Posted by SuperMarc

Collectors in the corner please:o

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I wish it was that easy. Don't you get it? SC will put my base on the bottom of the list if I go inactive. So whether you like it or not, my base will be impossible to find.

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Originally Posted by WarrenR86

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9/10 people say Finland doesn't exist?
Ohh my god! How do I know if I'm not in the Matrix?! What if we are both dreaming the same dream and when we wake up we'll die?
That's such a stupid argument, its no better then "nuh-uh you are"

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

You are missing the point of the analogy being made. The number of people asserting anything is not evidence of existence, it is merely evidence of a belief.

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Originally Posted by WarrenR86

You can't argue anymore can you, so you play dumb/ignore it. Not a bad move. But you lost at your "sport". Lol
I just searched for 4 minutes to end up taking 130k 70k (loss). I estimate the average to be 35k 35k, Crystal 3, Town Hall 9. Ohh and that's not the first one I found I could win, its the most loot I found so I went with it.

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That is not it all. The argument was that the amount of people believing in something does not make truth. You are trying to use someone else's analogy to refute that fact.

Yup we all have nexting at some point. If it is a regular occurrence your league is not suitable for your goals, change either. It would be nice if one of you could post a video of what you are experiencing.

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Originally Posted by Czar

whenever coat comes to this thread it becomes hyper active :eek::p

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Happy to oblige. ;):o

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Originally Posted by YoN

No, You are doing it wrong.

If 9/10 of people posting in this thread claim loot is bad, it means loot is bad for 9/10 people who care to post about loot. The pitfall here is a selection bias - those who are happy with their loot are less prone to talk about it.

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No, that's just you making unsubstatiated claims about other people's motivations to post or not on this thread as your argument, probably because your point of view is overwhelmingly in minority.

Myself, I don't think loot is good or bad. Good raidable villages are out there. I find them. I would even go as far as to say Everybody can find them. I just think the last update reduced the availability of elixir and made me next much more than before to find elixir profitable raids. Don't have anything to use gold on besides walls, so the next cost doesn't bother me much. Do I like to press the next button a lot more times? No. It serves no purpose. It simply favours people who have more time to waste searching over any differences in actual skill and experience.
Like most, I'm using the new marvelous option to dump elixir into walls (don't have anything else to use it on either, except building armies) and contributing to general state of affairs.

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Originally Posted by SaxoKay

In CoC there are two basic ways of farming. You either go for collectors (inactives) or go for storages.
The best army compositions for storages are elixir heavy and if you use a barch army to get to storages you will need to use spells causing the raid to be costly in elixir too.
To go for collectors you are better off using a cheap army, since loot is generally easy to get to so barch/bam is the best here.

When people have just upgraded their th, most people will want to use elixir for upgrades since this will help their offense, but after a while people will reach a stage where they tend to focus on the DE upgrades in research lab and at this time elixir used to be in abundance and storages would be overflowing with no use.

After the elixir to walls patch people that had finished their elixir upgrades would empty their elixir storages into the bottomless pit called walls. And which effect does that have? Well those bases would be nowhere to be found and they are therefore no longer raidable. This means more nexting and since elixir is now a more valued resource with a real use people also start looking more for them. This means people with less elixir available will also get raided now and this causes a downward spiral that will make some people give up their elixir upgrades hoping for better times later and they will also put their elixir into their walls. In effect elixir is now becoming a scarce resource. Those that insist on farming with elixir heavy armies will now have to next a lot more and many will give up using elixir heavy armies and start farming with barch/bam. With more people farming collectors, the inactives will be harder to find, since more people are nexting to find them. All would of course attack the inactives when found, but the heavy army users would stop nexting when they found their storage loot.

It has also been claimed on this thread, that gold has become more scarce. I’m sure it’s pretty much the same amount of gold that is available to be raided, but…. Before the patch people would generally just look upon gold available to be looted and if they would loose elixir in the attack it didn’t matter since they would get more later then. Now when elixir is scarce, many people will skip bases with some gold but hardly any elixir. Thus again having to next more. But the most important factor is the cost to next. With more nexting the gold profit (if any) goes down and the perceived gold farmable loot goes down as well.
And now a little side note. Yesterday I I did a 2 hour session with barch and no boosting, since I know that boosting is no use anymore because I will next so long time that it’s not worthwhile anymore. I was looking at my current gold amount and looked again when I found a camp that I attacked to have an estimate of how many times I had nexted. I did 5 attacks plus 4 th snipes in C2 and did some decent raids with one of them even being a nice inactive that yielded 290/290/xx. Unfortunately with the amount of nexts I had made, the net result was a surplus of 50k gold and 600k elixir. This was absolutely no fun and this was even with a threshold of 75/75/0 lootable for me. After such a session (and I have had many more like it) I really feel like deleting the game. Nexting 320 times is simply no fun at all.

So the overall effect of the elixir to walls patch is a lot more nexting and nexting equals frustration. It also means that donations in clans will go down and thus causing clans to dissolve. This again causes people to quit the game.

The best choice for the overall economy and funfactor in the game would be to reintroduce storage raiding as a viable option for most trophy ranges. Now it’s not really an option from ranges 1900-2700 where I have searched and from what I read/heard also other ranges.
The best way would be to change the way of dealing with excess elixir to make it usable for nexting (also option to still use gold) instead of dumping into the bottomless pit called walls. Using elixir to pay for nexts is only a gradual decrease of available elixir from storages and most likely there will still be elixir in abundance. Elixir is for offense and gold is for defense. So it also befits the general concept a lot better. The gold amount saved from nexting would still be appreciated as a nice profit.

It would be even better to go back to a flat loot percentage of 20% for all th levels since this would make storage raids even more interesting, causing people to next less and have more fun. Some would claim, that it could be harder to save up, but I say no, because you would find loot more consistently and have to next less, so would be easier to save. This is only theory, but I believe it firmly.

I read somewhere in this thread that someone was saying something about correlation and cause. There is cause according to my deduction above.

And to those that say that now loot is good and now loot is bad again. This is just a normal effect of huge variation. You know.... some people do win the lotto as well.

Just some thoughts from a fully upgraded th10 that has been attacking 200-400 times consistently every season for about a year or more.

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Everyone should read this.

This post outlines the situation perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg2

I just said this exact same thing to my clan, it all of the sudden today is just there and has not been there for weeks. Last two raids, very little nexting, 270k/320k and 425k/370/1700DE

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Its back to what it used to atleast tonight. Its not luck or random. The trolls and haters could be playing the game again :cool:.

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Originally Posted by WarrenR86

That is a very good point! People are more likely to voice a negative opinion then a positive one. But how often do this many F2P gamers voice such a strongly negative opinion? I doubt there is a statistic but I'm open to opinions on this. Seriously. Lol

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Nope. 9/10 people that post loot is awesome are th8 and below. Mind blowing aint it

The last week maybe ... loot has been just ok. Not good but not terrible. That said ... I'm only th8. With that said ... anyone saying it's great is absolutely delusional. I literally just spent 13 minutes as per my barracks training timer looking for and getting a 70/40 raid. Painful. I honestly doubt that I'll ever gp to th9. Not if it's worse than this.

Also ... am I the only person with any loot in their storages? I love being fodder for th9s yielding 330/250 raids to them ... or rather I would if anyone anywhere offered me the same amount. Where are these juicy th7s like when I was a th7? nowhere near me that's for sure. Silver one to gold two as a beginner th8. And it's brutal tonight. Like ... brutal.

I also think shields don't "hide" loot but help generate it. I see freshly raided bases that clearly weren't shielded offering absolutely nothing. At least if they were shielded they would have generated some loot in the 12 hours. Could this be bots or just bad attacking? At least if they were shielded I wouldn't have to next through them.

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Originally Posted by Danip

The last week maybe ... loot has been just ok. Not good but not terrible. That said ... I'm only th8. With that said ... anyone saying it's great is absolutely delusional. I literally just spent 13 minutes as per my barracks training timer looking for and getting a 70/40 raid. Painful. I honestly doubt that I'll ever gp to th9. Not if it's worse than this.

Also ... am I the only person with any loot in their storages? I love being fodder for th9s yielding 330/250 raids to them ... or rather I would if anyone anywhere offered me the same amount. Where are these juicy th7s like when I was a th7? nowhere near me that's for sure. Silver one to gold two as a beginner th8. And it's brutal tonight. Like ... brutal.

I also think shields don't "hide" loot but help generate it. I see freshly raided bases that clearly weren't shielded offering absolutely nothing. At least if they were shielded they would have generated some loot in the 12 hours. Could this be bots or just bad attacking? At least if they were shielded I wouldn't have to next through them.

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I think the bots are impacting the game far more than supercell will admit. Not that it matters what they admit to in regards to bots. They clearly don't have a clue as to the extent of the issue. There are whole clans dedicated to them now. It's just blatant and wide scale.
Daddy's comment on loot suggests they don't see a change in loot. Yet huge numbers of players clearly do. Their stats and efforts are quite clearly inadequate to address the problem.
Assuming they are being truthful about not placing inactives at the end of the queue. There is no other reasonable explanation for the lack of loot and inactive bases in recent times, other than the bots are raiding a vast majority of them, and thus keeping them shielded.

I am at TH9

Loot is very inconsistent however it is still out there. I am farming at around 1550 and looting about 5-10m per day. I boost once or twice a day when loot is good during morning or afternoon. Try playing at different times during the day to see what time works for you. I am GMT +8

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Originally Posted by Eddiesalita

I think the bots are impacting the game far more than supercell will admit. Not that it matters what they admit to in regards to bots. They clearly don't have a clue as to the extent of the issue. There are whole clans dedicated to them now. It's just blatant and wide scale.
Daddy's comment on loot suggests they don't see a change in loot. Yet huge numbers of players clearly do. Their stats and efforts are quite clearly inadequate to address the problem.
Assuming they are being truthful about not placing inactives at the end of the queue. There is no other reasonable explanation for the lack of loot and inactive bases in recent times, other than the bots are raiding a vast majority of them, and thus keeping them shielded.

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Honestly i think they're just downright lying.

The defense logs of my lower-leveled bases who were not attacked for days with no shield suggests so. Not that it's something new. People have been posting their own defense log screenshots in this forum.

But it's kinda funny to think that there may be some sort of inactive-hiding code in the game that's not actually designed to do so, just because SC was THAT incompetent lol.

Good news though, clan hashtag is coming. what a great improvement. :cool:

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Originally Posted by BlueBoss

I am at TH9

Loot is very inconsistent however it is still out there. I am farming at around 1550 and looting about 5-10m per day. I boost once or twice a day when loot is good during morning or afternoon. Try playing at different times during the day to see what time works for you. I am GMT +8

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What a great game to force players to NOT play at their affordable hours! This must be the challenge those people were talking about!

Normally loot is very horrible and not even worth mentioning except for 1-2 hrs a day when u find about 1-1.5 m each in an hour. But today it suddenly became so generous that I haven't even seen such loot during the last new year boost. Found 3 bases with over 500K each n 5k de almost consecutively. BTW I farm in Crystal I.

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Originally Posted by Omes

Honestly i think they're just downright lying.

The defense logs of my lower-leveled bases who were not attacked for days with no shield suggests so. Not that it's something new. People have been posting their own defense log screenshots in this forum.

But it's kinda funny to think that there may be some sort of inactive-hiding code in the game that's not actually designed to do so, just because SC was THAT incompetent lol.

Good news though, clan hashtag is coming. what a great improvement. :cool:



What a great game to force players to NOT play at their affordable hours! This must be the challenge those people were talking about!

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It certainly seems that's the case. I mean, what else are we supposed to think. They have made zero effort to explain the several examples of such inactive hiding other than denial, and or a play on words. In the face of direct evidence to the contrary.
Stonewalling isn't going to keep them where they want to be.

I agree that nexting seems to be getting out of hand, there is loot, but to hit the next button 100 or more times is just down right irritating.
Seriously super cell if you do nothing else at least filter the very low loot bases out of search results.... You manage to do that very efficiently with inactive accounts. This I know for a fact, I have a friend with a defenseless alt that he harvests daily and is now th 8, last time it was attacked was th 6!!!!!!
Furthermore maybe find a way to promote collector upgrades, I see hundreds of high level bases with very low level collectors, these people are purely leaching from the system without giving anything back.
Give them an achievement bonus for maxing collectors... May just help.
Just a few thoughts from a concerned player.
P's do something about the bunnies... And your support staff that give me some b s canned response about airplane mode when I send them screenshots and reports about automated attacks.
I know on your system loot may not have changed, but try looking to some other statistics... Where is that loot? How many nexts on average? Why most collector bases available are so low level loot? Something is happening to the better ones faster than honest players can find them.
Sorry I got carried away... Rather excessive post script.
Help your passionate players out here.

Steve did post a week or so ago that they are looking into loot improvement suggestions but have not decided on anything yet. Hopefully there will be something in the Halloween update. Any little improvement and I will be happy.

Next next next...72 times to find a base with over 100k of each. This is getting boring

I think we are all missing something.
Say this is true:
a. I believe the people with th10 who say their loot is good.
b. I believe the ones with th10 who say the loot is bad.
c. I believe Steve when he says loot is a question.
d. I believe Daddy when the overall loot is not changed.
(Hope you all can follow me)

So when I take those 4 points into consideration...
I experience the following:
1. My loot is bad. But I had two nice days this weekend. Where does the loot of those two days come from. Just luck?
2. If I am nexting in the same cuprange at a certain moment I get the same villages. I am sure, I wrote down the names a while ago. It looks like a circle.
3. The game has been for me always up and down. The period of down at the moment is much worse and much longer. (The nice period of two days is over again.) And I always wondered what makes this possible.

The only explanation I can think of is, that the game is divided over servers. So when you play on a certain server and the loot is good you are lucky. When you play on a other one the loot can be ♥♥♥♥. So the loot question is not a question off total economy cause there is no total economy. There are different parts and they do not really interact? If that is true the loot question becomes a total different one.

One more question. Where does the loot come from in the happy hour after maintenance? Can it be possible that after half an hour there is so much loot for everybody? There is, but I cannot explain the down-time related to the loot availibility.

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Originally Posted by BlueBoss

I am at TH9

Loot is very inconsistent however it is still out there. I am farming at around 1550 and looting about 5-10m per day. I boost once or twice a day when loot is good during morning or afternoon. Try playing at different times during the day to see what time works for you. I am GMT +8

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What's it like to be able to just sit around all day and wait for the loot to get good?

I assume you guys are not noobs and that you've all tried to change your trophy range?

As a TH8er, I generally loot from G1-G3. The amount of loot does indeed vary, but there is some to be had if you're patient.

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Originally Posted by zebra

What's it like to be able to just sit around all day and wait for the loot to get good?

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It sucks, but farming in any game is a grind. It has gotten worse lately but we all just need to make do with what we are given until super cell changes something. I believe they will change something in the near future, maybe even this Halloween update will bring something.

To farm or not farm it is your own choice.

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Originally Posted by casualmortal

I assume you guys are not noobs and that you've all tried to change your trophy range?

As a TH8er, I generally loot from G1-G3. The amount of loot does indeed vary, but there is some to be had if you're patient.

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We assume you are a noob, and did not read any of this thread at all. As it has been stated many many times that th8 and below do not have a loot problem. Come back when you have to actually spend decent sums of loot to progress, and can't raid baby bases anymore.

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Originally Posted by Maddi

One more question. Where does the loot come from in the happy hour after maintenance? Can it be possible that after half an hour there is so much loot for everybody? There is, but I cannot explain the down-time related to the loot availibility.

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It should be a no-brainer.
During regular hours, let's say everyone's online according to their own playing regularities. Then when it's maintenance, no one is on. immediately after maintenance though, not everyone could immediately go back on. Either people forget to, or just unable to.

This means:
1. Not everyone with good loot is online to protect their base, hence they appear in your nexting.
2. Not everyone is online to raid the inactives, hence those inactives appear in your nexting instead.

Wow the look is pretty good,I can easily find a collector 200k+ loot in few clicks!!!
I'm th8 with lvl4 Barch btw.

I just wasted 250k searching (and wasted the time searching) just to settle for 150k gold/elixir (which is terrible) in C1 because I gave up searching. The worst part? This issue is common.


Sad how SC is letting their game go.

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Originally Posted by Gobaints

Wow the look is pretty good,I can easily find a collector 200k+ loot in few clicks!!!
I'm th8 with lvl4 Barch btw.

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Of vourse you think loot is good as a TH 8. If you reach TH 10 someday you'll realize that your post is hurting, not helping the cause.

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Originally Posted by casualmortal

I assume you guys are not noobs and that you've all tried to change your trophy range?

As a TH8er, I generally loot from G1-G3. The amount of loot does indeed vary, but there is some to be had if you're patient.

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This ain't about patience. I agree that usually when loot is bad, then you could just look for the better loot in different trophy range.
And i could claim that i'm doing better than you. As a relatively new TH9, my main does not change trophy range even though it's bad loot, yet i can keep 5 builders busy while upgrading things according to their own priorities. I'm talking about upgrading xbows, labs, drills, splash damagers instead of the cheap cannons and storages.

But i will also state that there is a significant and unusual change to loot availability compared to before lix-for-walls update, that is consistent with my raiding experience across all the bases i have access to, including TH8 and TH10.

Man, I don't know if it was just today or what but I've never been this unlucky. I spent at least 10 hours farming and I found maybe, 6 full collector bases. Even then, there were barely any bases with loot over 200k.


I'm currently a th8 and if I'm going to getting this stressed out and annoyed when I'm a th8, I should just quit before I get to th9.

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Originally Posted by Raylek

Man, I don't know if it was just today or what but I've never been this unlucky. I spent at least 10 hours farming and I found maybe, 6 full collector bases. Even then, there were barely any bases with loot over 200k.


I'm currently a th8 and if I'm going to getting this stressed out and annoyed when I'm a th8, I should just quit before I get to th9.

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that is what this game does best to players these days

Blah blah blah people will always whine about loot. Its fine. Get over it. You suck at farming and protecting your resources

The loot is bad stop.

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Originally Posted by sekobas

The loot is bad stop.

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They let 10 year olds on here? Haha jk im acting childish too. Loot could always be better though. Controlling the loot system is one of the main sources of their income. The quicker you get over it, the more you enjoy this awesome game

But loot is quite good right now. And I mean right now! :) th9 here :)

And yes it works. Th10 farming 2300-2400 nexting 10 times. Full collectors. THX SC

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Originally Posted by Senior0028

And yes it works. Th10 farming 2300-2400 nexting 10 times. Full collectors. THX SC

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You do not have to lie to say loot is fine !

Yes there are still some full collectors but finding them with 10 next is just one very luck shot, i am TH 10 aswell, currently at 2450 tr i need around 60 next average to find something that makes sens to attak (TH to snipe, base with decent loot but with not very heavy defenses, or the very very very rare dead bases)

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Originally Posted by Senior0028

They let 10 year olds on here?

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Yup, also this 10yo kid tells us that loot has probably some problem and Supercell will do something... taking its time (months months months)

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Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]

We're currently investigating any and all possible solutions, but I have no news yet. I can assure you we will not be, and never will be, wantonly injecting random amounts of loot into the game. We'll figure out a nice solution that will help balance things out without completely destroying the economy. This goes beyond simply introducing more loot into the game.

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Let's wait and see what changes, if any, can be made in the next couple updates. While things are certainly tight on loot, we simply do not perform knee-jerk reaction changes that could unbalance things. We take our time making big decisions, and make sure they are the right ones for the long-term future of Clash.

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Originally Posted by pololo

You do not have to lie to say loot is fine !

Yes there are still some full collectors but finding them with 10 next is just one very luck shot, i am TH 10 aswell, currently at 2450 tr i need around 60 next average to find something that makes sens to attak (TH to snipe, base with decent loot but with not very heavy defenses, or the very very very rare dead bases)

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Try dropping to 2300-2400. Just try

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Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]

Hey.

Here we are. Listening.

We're currently investigating any and all possible solutions, but I have no news yet. I can assure you we will not be, and never will be, wantonly injecting random amounts of loot into the game. We'll figure out a nice solution that will help balance things out without completely destroying the economy. This goes beyond simply introducing more loot into the game.

If you feel like we're not listening to players on this, or not answering your questions, then I would simply suggest looking harder. The answers are probably somewhere around here, either via mods or staff themselves, and have already been posted multiple times to these forums or elsewhere. We should be more proactive about getting this information out, I admit.

Let's wait and see what changes, if any, can be made in the next couple updates. While things are certainly tight on loot, we simply do not perform knee-jerk reaction changes that could unbalance things. We take our time making big decisions, and make sure they are the right ones for the long-term future of Clash.

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So in adherence to this statement its evident there's a loot problem & whether they actually working on it is different.. but since they admit it, will the loot is fine guys take a hike...

cause now its not a question of whether loot is fine or not, but as to what solution will come up, if & when it does...

so those who barch & are happy or are randomly moving around the trops, may continue to do so..the debate had to have ended with above quote...

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Originally Posted by Czar

So in adherence to this statement its evident there's a loot problem & whether they actually working on it is different.. but since they admit it, will the loot is fine guys take a hike...

cause now its not a question of whether loot is fine or not, but as to what solution will come up, if & when it does...

so those who barch & are happy or are randomly moving around the trops, may continue to do so..the debate had to have ended with above quote...

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NAH I love debates!

Loot is not fine.

Unfortunately, I still find it too frustrating to bother raiding and mostly ride shields...

I dont think this update will do anything for loot so am considering my end game...

Maybe the next update will bring players back but I will likely join the string of high level players that have had enough and are slowly but surely leaving clash in the immediate term...Loot was the icing on a cake that had long since gone stale...we needed new content 2 updates ago (3 if I am being more demanding) and now we need loot...After a full month of patience, its time to call a spade a spade and give up the ghost...

PM when things improve

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Originally Posted by Senior0028

And yes it works. Th10 farming 2300-2400 nexting 10 times. Full collectors. THX SC

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Rubbish. I'm TH10 farming in the same trophy range right now and there is no such thing as a full collector base.

Get back to your Supercell office you're obviously employed by them.

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Originally Posted by Maddi

I think we are all missing something.
Say this is true:
a. I believe the people with th10 who say their loot is good.
b. I believe the ones with th10 who say the loot is bad.
c. I believe Steve when he says loot is a question.
d. I believe Daddy when the overall loot is not changed.
(Hope you all can follow me)

So when I take those 4 points into consideration...
I experience the following:
1. My loot is bad. But I had two nice days this weekend. Where does the loot of those two days come from. Just luck?
2. If I am nexting in the same cuprange at a certain moment I get the same villages. I am sure, I wrote down the names a while ago. It looks like a circle.
3. The game has been for me always up and down. The period of down at the moment is much worse and much longer. (The nice period of two days is over again.) And I always wondered what makes this possible.

The only explanation I can think of is, that the game is divided over servers. So when you play on a certain server and the loot is good you are lucky. When you play on a other one the loot can be ♥♥♥♥. So the loot question is not a question off total economy cause there is no total economy. There are different parts and they do not really interact? If that is true the loot question becomes a total different one.

One more question. Where does the loot come from in the happy hour after maintenance? Can it be possible that after half an hour there is so much loot for everybody? There is, but I cannot explain the down-time related to the loot availibility.

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So so many points in this post that I agree with.

Firstly that the server you are on DRAMATICALLY affects your loot. Sometimes I am raiding in EXACTLY the same range as a clan mate and having completely different sessions. Also I see the same clan names again and again.......this would not be possible if it were random.........the bases to which we are each exposed are VERY limited in my opinion

The point about loot improving over the happy hour has been explained. What I find more disturbing is that loot suddenly improved for the weekend ( after a terrible week) then today has diminished again. Since less people will be playing during the week shouldn't there be MORE rich bases available????


Supercell claim they don't hide bases....this is simply untrue. They 'inject' loot bases into the system to keep the casual weekend players happy..... I don't blame them, it is a business.......but don't lie to us.

supercell keep back and let free inactives AND well stacked bases like farmed fish.

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Originally Posted by CloudGigaTitan

Rubbish. I'm TH10 farming in the same trophy range right now and there is no such thing as a full collector base.

Get back to your Supercell office you're obviously employed by them.

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lolzzz...hilarious....

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Originally Posted by CloudGigaTitan

Rubbish. I'm TH10 farming in the same trophy range right now and there is no such thing as a full collector base.

Get back to your Supercell office you're obviously employed by them.

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I think my post above may explain your problem.....your 'queue' is bad and his is good.

discrepancies like this have us arguing with each other when, in fact, we are ALL being truthful.

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Originally Posted by Relentless

I think my post above may explain your problem.....your 'queue' is bad and his is good.

discrepancies like this have us arguing with each other when, in fact, we are ALL being truthful.

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mmmmm, no.

I've been farming in this range for a good few weeks and the number of full collector bases is virtually none, no matter which server I am on. So he is telling porkies.

I fell asleep whilst nexting last night it took so long.

Townhall 8 here, farming around 1400s

I had ~300k gold. But now i am stranded anr cant farm because i spent all my gold nexting, without finding any base that had over 100k

What should i do?

Hmmmmm...

After a long time of sticking to my guns saying loot is fine ( which it was, for me anyway ), over the last couple of weeks, it has deteriorated drastically.

Not gold, and not dark elixir.

But elixir...

Where is it? I do not know.. But it isn't in peoples storages or collectors..

Honestly, it was fine for me for a while, but recently I can see a terrible change. I have been stuck on 4m elix for around 2 weeks, doesn't matter what I use ( apart from if I stuck to the guide in my sig, which over a long period of time gets very monotonous ), I cannot seem to profit...

So there you have it. An admittance of failure to farm what I need. Finally on the bad loot bandwagon..

You have destroyed this game. Who wants to barch all day to turn a profit. When elixir was plentiful you could cook up a powerful army every now and then and have some fun. Who needs high level troops and no elixir to use them. I am a high th9 and there is no loot anywhere period.

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Originally Posted by SailHawk

You have destroyed this game. Who wants to barch all day to turn a profit. When elixir was plentiful you could cook up a powerful army every now and then and have some fun. Who needs high level troops and no elixir to use them. I am a high th9 and there is no loot anywhere period.

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I'm low th9 and there is loot everywhere. Period.

Still no fix on the loot with new update. Please give an update SC on the status of the much needed improvements on the economy! Communicate for "marketing" sense! This is getting an boring game....

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Originally Posted by RAppel

I'm low th9 and there is loot everywhere. Period.

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And one's got nothing to do with the other, you're either bragging or hoping for a mod job

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Firstly that the server you are on DRAMATICALLY affects your loot. Sometimes I am raiding in EXACTLY the same range as a clan mate and having completely different sessions. Also I see the same clan names again and again.......this would not be possible if it were random.........the bases to which we are each exposed are VERY limited in my opinion

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Well i was always wondering that names have been familiar and bases as well. Somebody has an valid explanation for that ? are we stuck in a certain bunch of people and bases? are we grouped up forever in this game?

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Originally Posted by Maddi http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png One more question. Where does the loot come from in the happy hour after maintenance? Can it be possible that after half an hour there is so much loot for everybody? There is, but I cannot explain the down-time related to the loot availibility.

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Originally Posted by Omes

It should be a no-brainer.
During regular hours, let's say everyone's online according to their own playing regularities. Then when it's maintenance, no one is on. immediately after maintenance though, not everyone could immediately go back on. Either people forget to, or just unable to.

This means:
1. Not everyone with good loot is online to protect their base, hence they appear in your nexting.
2. Not everyone is online to raid the inactives, hence those inactives appear in your nexting instead.

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Thanks, but I think it is not an explanation. Maybe a small one, but in my opinion something else must be going on.

1. You assume that everybody stays online to protect their base and their loot. But then the loot would be in the storages not in the collectors. After maintenance there are a lot of collector bases. Those collectors cannot be full in half an hour/hour off maintenance.
2. You assume that so many people are raiding inactives so that during non-maintenance playing hours there are no more inactives left. After maintenance all those inactives popp up for the - at that moment- active players.

I don't know what is going on, but I cannot imagine your points are explaining the loot after maintenance.

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Originally Posted by SailHawk

You have destroyed this game. Who wants to barch all day to turn a profit. When elixir was plentiful you could cook up a powerful army every now and then and have some fun. Who needs high level troops and no elixir to use them. I am a high th9 and there is no loot anywhere period.

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I do agree. I'm probably stupid, but no elixir after the last update. Nexting hours. Quit a week ago.

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Originally Posted by Growler

I fell asleep whilst nexting last night it took so long.

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That's a feature they introduced in the last update that I use a lot.
The front camera detects you need to doze off and the queue is manipulated to present only boring no-loot villages. The fluffy white clouds do the rest.

Works great!

It's in my walls. I have stopped the pointless raiding and put everything from the collectors in walls except for the war armycosts and donations.

This game is about to be a ghost town, with fancy walls. ;)

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Originally Posted by Maddi

Thanks, but I think it is not an explanation. Maybe a small one, but in my opinion something else must be going on.

1. You assume that everybody stays online to protect their base and their loot. But then the loot would be in the storages not in the collectors. After maintenance there are a lot of collector bases. Those collectors cannot be full in half an hour/hour off maintenance.
2. You assume that so many people are raiding inactives so that during non-maintenance playing hours there are no more inactives left. After maintenance all those inactives popp up for the - at that moment- active players.

I don't know what is going on, but I cannot imagine your points are explaining the loot after maintenance.

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There are likely many contributors. I think the main one is that so many raids are continuously happening the breaks cause those raids pile up making them more numerous.

Imagine like 10,000 Inactives come off shield every minute. Now a maintanence break comes, when it is over you have 10,000 Inactives times x number of minutes the break lasted.

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Originally Posted by CloudGigaTitan

mmmmm, no.

I've been farming in this range for a good few weeks and the number of full collector bases is virtually none, no matter which server I am on. So he is telling porkies.

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You don't change your queue when you change languages, you are on the same server. If you log off for a minute and log back on and it resets you MAY get a different queue.

When I was looning to champ I saw the same 25-40 bases night after night after night..... Because I was on the same server. The only thing that changed was when a new base joined the queue.

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

Hmmmmm...

After a long time of sticking to my guns saying loot is fine ( which it was, for me anyway ), over the last couple of weeks, it has deteriorated drastically.

Not gold, and not dark elixir.

But elixir...

Where is it? I do not know.. But it isn't in peoples storages or collectors..

Honestly, it was fine for me for a while, but recently I can see a terrible change. I have been stuck on 4m elix for around 2 weeks, doesn't matter what I use ( apart from if I stuck to the guide in my sig, which over a long period of time gets very monotonous ), I cannot seem to profit...

So there you have it. An admittance of failure to farm what I need. Finally on the bad loot bandwagon..

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Yep... The LIX is a ♥♥♥♥♥....I am barching only.... And making a profit because I ATTACK anything over 70k of each. I have found some big collector raids this last three days but they are drying up as the bases get 'reeled' back in until next weekend.

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Originally Posted by SailHawk

You have destroyed this game. Who wants to barch all day to turn a profit. When elixir was plentiful you could cook up a powerful army every now and then and have some fun. Who needs high level troops and no elixir to use them. I am a high th9 and there is no loot anywhere period.

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Yep......Lix for walls will do that!

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Originally Posted by RAppel

I'm low th9 and there is loot everywhere. Period.

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As has been said....it is soooo different for each player but overall there is a bad problem. Enjoy it and hope it lasts or you may be singing the same song as Harrisman soon.

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Originally Posted by pmos69

That's a feature they introduced in the last update that I use a lot.
The front camera detects you need to doze off and the queue is manipulated to present only boring no-loot villages. The fluffy white clouds do the rest.

Works great!

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LOLOLOL......this really made me smile 😀

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

Hmmmmm...

After a long time of sticking to my guns saying loot is fine ( which it was, for me anyway ), over the last couple of weeks, it has deteriorated drastically.

Not gold, and not dark elixir.

But elixir...

Where is it? I do not know.. But it isn't in peoples storages or collectors..

Honestly, it was fine for me for a while, but recently I can see a terrible change. I have been stuck on 4m elix for around 2 weeks, doesn't matter what I use ( apart from if I stuck to the guide in my sig, which over a long period of time gets very monotonous ), I cannot seem to profit...

So there you have it. An admittance of failure to farm what I need. Finally on the bad loot bandwagon..

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I have the same experience, said loot was fine a couple of weeks but lately not even barch would make me enough elixir...

I upgraded my barch to lvl 7 and my army costs me 80k elixir, not even the bonus in M3 will cover the costs. Honestly looking at my attack log every single raid is around 20k elixir meaning little to no profit whenthe occasional use of spells is included.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/399821-The-NEW-one-and-only-loot-is-good-or-bad-thread/page543
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Originally Posted by Relentless

So so many points in this post that I agree with.

Firstly that the server you are on DRAMATICALLY affects your loot. Sometimes I am raiding in EXACTLY the same range as a clan mate and having completely different sessions. Also I see the same clan names again and again.......this would not be possible if it were random.........the bases to which we are each exposed are VERY limited in my opinion

The point about loot improving over the happy hour has been explained. What I find more disturbing is that loot suddenly improved for the weekend ( after a terrible week) then today has diminished again. Since less people will be playing during the week shouldn't there be MORE rich bases available????


Supercell claim they don't hide bases....this is simply untrue. They 'inject' loot bases into the system to keep the casual weekend players happy..... I don't blame them, it is a business.......but don't lie to us.

supercell keep back and let free inactives AND well stacked bases like farmed fish.

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I am glad you recognized what I wrote, also about the VERY limited bases we see and last weekend ;-) ! I do not think we know what SC does. SC says they do not hide bases, I want to believe them. But "not hiding" does not mean we can see them. Hiding is something you do on purpose. Are they doing things on purpose and what are those? I guess we never get the answer. Would ne nice!

Arguing with each other if the loot is good or bad does not make sense. What causes the problem is what we can not see and what we do not know. The only one who can give us some information is SC. What are the problems and why does it influence the loot situation so obvious. Everything else is just speculating.

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Originally Posted by n3r0s

It's in my walls.

This game is about to be a ghost town, with fancy walls. ;)

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You have got that right! 😢

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Originally Posted by Maddi

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/399821-The-NEW-one-and-only-loot-is-good-or-bad-thread/page543
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I am glad you recognized what I wrote, also about the VERY limited bases we see and last weekend ;-) ! I do not think we know what SC does. SC says they do not hide bases, I want to believe them. But "not hiding" does not mean we can see them. Hiding is something you do on purpose. Are they doing things on purpose and what are those? I guess we never get the answer. Would ne nice!

Arguing with each other if the loot is good or bad does not make sense. What causes the problem is what we can not see and what we do not know. The only one who can give us some information is SC. What are the problems and why does it influence the loot situation so obvious. Everything else is just speculating.

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The arguing and point scoring that goes on here is a real distraction from the real problem.....the very real risk of the game dying through boredom due to the system being clogged with low loot bases.

I am an addict...I find loot.....my clanmates want some fun though and aren't prepared to do the 350 - 400 raids per season that I am. But if they quit.....I quit.....without clan the game is boring whether loot is good or not.

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Originally Posted by n3r0s

It's in my walls. I have stopped the pointless raiding and put everything from the collectors in walls except for the war armycosts and donations.

This game is about to be a ghost town, with fancy walls. ;)

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All very well to put a few thousand collector/mine based resources straight into walls, but when your walls cost 3m it's not a viable option.

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

All very well to put a few thousand collector/mine based resources straight into walls, but when your walls cost 3m it's not a viable option.

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This is where the extreme variability comes in......I have put 3 million lix into my walls every night for the last week and a minimum of 3 mill gold sometimes six. I am Th9 and only have lava walls to finish.

BUT I know that the majority of my clanmates are finding it terrible. They are TH10s and anywhere above gold2.

And if someone suggests that they should all drop to gold2 I will scream.....♥♥♥ is the point of all these levels if there are no resources anywhere but a narrow band of 200-300 trophies?

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Originally Posted by Relentless

This is where the extreme variability comes in......I have put 3 million lix into my walls every night for the last week and a minimum of 3 mill gold sometimes six. I am Th9 and only have lava walls to finish.

BUT I know that the majority of my clanmates are finding it terrible. They are TH10s and anywhere above gold2.

And if someone suggests that they should all drop to gold2 I will scream.....♥♥♥ is the point of all these levels if there are no resources anywhere but a narrow band of 200-300 trophies?

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I was in your position up until 2 weeks ago. Didn't have any problem with loot. None. Was finding raids left right and centre.

Now..................................

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

I was in your position up until 2 weeks ago. Didn't have any problem with loot. None. Was finding raids left right and centre.

Now..................................

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I believe you......that is why I come here. My clan is suffering, so even though I currently am finding loot there is still a problem.

Well, even barchers will have their meals a bit harder to reach soon: 4th mortar in the Halloween update confirmed by SC.

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Originally Posted by pmos69

Well, even barchers will have their meals a bit harder to reach soon: 4th mortar in the Halloween update confirmed by SC.

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Oh FFS!

Are they actually TRYING to kill this game !?!?!?!?

Every day I check the forums and hope to read something done about the loot issue. Today I read they are adding a 4th troop nuke cannon to make it more difficult to get to the meager loot that is out there. Well played SC, well played.

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Originally Posted by Chiefthawk

Every day I check the forums and hope to read something done about the loot issue. Today I read they are adding a 4th troop nuke cannon to make it more difficult to get to the meager loot that is out there. Well played SC, well played.

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Ahah you are completely right. We are looking into it, cit Little hint by me: Keep on looking doesn't fix anything.

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Originally Posted by Relentless

I believe you......that is why I come here. My clan is suffering, so even though I currently am finding loot there is still a problem.

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Sad thing is, in the early days of this thread ( and the one before that was closed/moved/locked/hidden/whatever ) I didn't believe people. But as the numbers grew and grew it dawned on me...

Not everyone here can be lying. Seeing more and more respected players posting their concerns, even a mod ( or two? . Am I right? ) did too.

All I can say is I apologise for my earlier doubts to believe you guys. I'm now in the same boat and maybe I deserve it.

I'm just making the best of my time doing heroes now. Dark elixir is everywhere, which is a good thing for myself as all I have left is walls ( pffft... ) and heroes.

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

Sad thing is, in the early days of this thread ( and the one before that was closed/moved/locked/hidden/whatever ) I didn't believe people. But as the numbers grew and grew it dawned on me...

Not everyone here can be lying. Seeing more and more respected players posting their concerns, even a mod ( or two? . Am I right? ) did too.

All I can say is I apologise for my earlier doubts to believe you guys. I'm now in the same boat and maybe I deserve it.

I'm just making the best of my time doing heroes now. Dark elixir is everywhere, which is a good thing for myself as all I have left is walls ( pffft... ) and heroes.

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I'm sure they'll solve that serious issue in a coming update.

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

Sad thing is, in the early days of this thread ( and the one before that was closed/moved/locked/hidden/whatever ) I didn't believe people. But as the numbers grew and grew it dawned on me...

Not everyone here can be lying. Seeing more and more respected players posting their concerns, even a mod ( or two? . Am I right? ) did too.

All I can say is I apologise for my earlier doubts to believe you guys. I'm now in the same boat and maybe I deserve it.

I'm just making the best of my time doing heroes now. Dark elixir is everywhere, which is a good thing for myself as all I have left is walls ( pffft... ) and heroes.

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Great post but don't despair, the 4th mortar will fix everything!

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24 http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
I'm just making the best of my time doing heroes now. Dark elixir is everywhere, which is a good thing for myself as all I have left is walls ( pffft... ) and heroes.

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Originally Posted by pmos69

I'm sure they'll solve that serious issue in a coming update.

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:D:p Nice!

Let's try with inverse psychology.
SC! Listen! Loot Is fine! Please add some more mortars so that we are unable to steal the unfindable loot, please. Maybe a better idea is to make Inferno towers available at townhall 1, it would make me so happy, please! Also, could you please add some sort of traps that releases candies? I'd really love it and I think it'd improve the beautifulness of the game! Thank you very much for your always active attention!! You are the best!

And to think I was actually recommending this game 2 months ago,now it is nothing but contempt for SuperCell and it's staff.Die pig Die !!!

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Originally Posted by verza

Let's try with inverse psychology.
SC! Listen! Loot Is fine! Please add some more mortars so that we are unable to steal the unfindable loot, please. Maybe a better idea is to make Inferno towers available at townhall 1, it would make me so happy, please! Also, could you please add some sort of traps that releases candies? I'd really love it and I think it'd improve the beautifulness of the game! Thank you very much for your always active attention!! You are the best!

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Repeat with me:
We don't need villages with a great lot to attack........
We will boost the extractors with gems

We don't need villages with a great lot to attack........
We will boost the extractors with gems

We don't need villages with a great lot to attack........
We will boost the extractors with gems

We don't need villages with a great lot to attack........
We will boost the extractors with gems

I have followed this thread for awhile now. Here is a summary of what I have seen in this thread:

1. Many lower level players (Under TH9) are having no problems find gold and elixer and do not feel there is a loot issue. I believe that they are being truthful.

2. The highest frustration appears to be some TH9s and the majority of TH10s. I am a TH10 and in this group. A few months ago I found bases with 200k of each all day long. I now get excited when I see 100k of either. So why is there no loot? Here are the reasons most often mentioned in this thread:

A. Elixer can now be used to purchase walls. Instead of saving up for any upgrade now, the temptation to upgrade a wall segment is keeping more and more bases low on elixer.
B. Chinese bot farmers - This Chinese have made a program called "ding ding robot" that is starting to cause some serious problems. Have some of you in hardcore war clans noticed that occasionally you face a Chinese clan with 35-50 maxed TH9s with level 10 walls? Yeah, this software program is the reason why. This software allows those that have it to farm all night long while off the game. Before some of you get excited and go looking for it, the software has multiple viruses in it that are really nasty stuff. You would have to be an idiot to download that software unless you are from China and can get a clean copy of it. Watch a youtube video on how the software attacks bases and you will then realize you have been attacked by this software many times before as it is always in a predictable pattern. This software is bad news folks.
C. The developers continue to add new content (4th mortar, lava hound etc) that costs us gold/elixer without giving us new ways of making money. We have the same number of mines as always and occasionally they toss us a one gem boost for a day or two. Essentially the economy has become completely unbalanced in their favor and they are trying to force us to buy gems to do almost any high level upgrade now.
D. They have either removed inactive bases or moved them to the back of the ques now for high level bases. This one is hard to prove or disprove, but I personally almost never see a dead base anymore. Something has clearly changed and I am not sure what it is.

Either one of these listed above or more than likely a combination of all is causing our loot issues. Here is the deal guys, the developers really do not care that 90% of the people in this thread are unhappy with loot. Yeah, I know that sounds rough to hear, but it is true. Why do they not care? Because 90% of the people in this game play it casually and do not buy gems. It is gems that pay their salaries and gems that make the fancy cartoon commercials. If you are in that small 10% of people in the game that do buy gems like myself, simply stop purchasing them and let customer support know you are no longer going to purchase gems until loot is fixed. I have stopped farming in this game and my base just kind of sits there. All I do in this game now is chat with my clan friends and the occasional war attack. I have researched what I might be able to get for my base if I sold it even. I am not going to do another farming attack until loot is fixed. I certainly am not going to buy another chest of gems from them. Let your wallets do the talking folks. If the money coming in starts to slow down, they will then maybe listen to us.

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I have followed this thread for awhile now. Here is a summary of what I have seen in this thread:

1. Many lower level players (Under TH9) are having no problems find gold and elixer and do not feel there is a loot issue. I believe that they are being truthful.

2. The highest frustration appears to be some TH9s and the majority of TH10s. I am a TH10 and in this group. A few months ago I found bases with 200k of each all day long. I now get excited when I see 100k of either. So why is there no loot? Here are the reasons most often mentioned in this thread:

A. Elixer can now be used to purchase walls. Instead of saving up for any upgrade now, the temptation to upgrade a wall segment is keeping more and more bases low on elixer.
B. Chinese bot farmers - This Chinese ♥♥♥♥ that has been inserted into the game called "ding ding robot" is starting to cause some serious problems. Have some of you in hardcore war clans noticed that occasionally you face a Chinese clan with 35-50 maxed TH9s with level 10 walls? Yeah, this software program is the reason why. This software allows those that have it to farm all night long while off the game. Before some of you get excited and go looking for it, the software has multiple viruses in it that are really nasty stuff. You would have to be an idiot to download that software unless you are from China and can get a clean copy of it. Watch a youtube video on how the software attacks bases and you will then realize you have been attacked by this software many times before as it is always in a predictable pattern. This software is bad news folks.
C. The developers continue to add new content (4th mortar, lava hound etc) that costs us gold/elixer without giving us new ways of making money. We have the same number of mines as always and occasionally they toss us a one gem boost for a day or two. Essentially the economy has become completely unbalanced in their favor and they are trying to force us to buy gems to do almost any high level upgrade now.
D. They have either removed inactive bases or moved them to the back of the ques now for high level bases. This one is hard to prove or disprove, but I personally almost never see a dead base anymore. Something has clearly changed and I am not sure what it is.

Either one of these listed above or more than likely a combination of all is causing our loot issues. Here is the deal guys, the developers really do not care that 90% of the people in this thread are unhappy with loot. Yeah, I know that sounds rough to hear, but it is true. Why do they not care? Because 90% of the people in this game play it casually and do not buy gems. It is gems that pay their salaries and gems that make the fancy cartoon commercials. If you are in that small 10% of people in the game that do buy gems like myself, simply stop purchasing them and let customer support know you are no longer going to purchase gems until loot is fixed. I have stopped farming in this game and my base just kind of sits there. All I do in this game now is chat with my clan friends and the occasional war attack. I have researched what I might be able to get for my base if I sold it. I am not going to do another farming attack until loot is fixed. I certainly am not going to buy another chest of gems from them. Let your wallets do the talking folks. If the money coming in starts to slow down, they will then maybe listen to us.

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Repeat with me:
We don't need villages with a great lot to attack........
We will boost the extractors with gems

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

Sad thing is, in the early days of this thread ( and the one before that was closed/moved/locked/hidden/whatever ) I didn't believe people. But as the numbers grew and grew it dawned on me...

Not everyone here can be lying. Seeing more and more respected players posting their concerns, even a mod ( or two? . Am I right? ) did too.

All I can say is I apologise for my earlier doubts to believe you guys. I'm now in the same boat and maybe I deserve it.

I'm just making the best of my time doing heroes now. Dark elixir is everywhere, which is a good thing for myself as all I have left is walls ( pffft... ) and heroes.

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If you're having problems with loot, you should click on that link in your signature.

I'm a TH9 and this is my log.


http://shrani.si/f/2Y/Tg/1kL3er1C/coc.png


Loot is fine for me, been like this since I started playing this game.

Il love Supercell silence even when - evidently - things are going out of control in the forum :eek:

I believe someone stated that the elixir for walls update was fine, and laid out a logical example regarding well-established bases no longer having a need for it, so it accumulates and become "worthless" to them, and as others reach that point it becomes worthless to them as well, and made his case saying that Supercell wanted to avoid this dilemma from happening.

However, this problem occurs when everyone playing this game reaches TH10 at an end-game level, with no use for the juice. This is not an assumption you can make to factor into this game. TH9 and TH10 require MASSIVE amounts of elixir when starting off, otherwise you face the problem of the dreaded loot penalty when you're trying to farm at a new TH level with the previous TH levels' troops/offense in general. What happens is the stronger, more established bases, that you could still loot 50-75% of their elixir storages to help get your offense to a farming level on par with the TH you're at, are no more. They are dumping their excess elixir into walls, and forcing players to both have to search only for inactives as they cannot risk building expensive armies where they won't recover their costs. This is exactly what I thought would happen when this update was announced, and it is what I am currently experiencing in my situation.

I have two accounts, one I did the traditional "max everything method" and the other I took a page from Sharonysm's thread and went premmie, focusing on offense first, then splash def to prevent cheap farming armies from getting any loot. I have a 9.5 month old, 90% maxed TH9 heading to TH10 (I am dreading the day it completes) that took me about 5.5 months to hit TH9, and a 4.5 month old premmie TH9 that I got to TH9 in just under 3 months. On neither account do I lose much in resources, as most attacks on me are TH snipes and barchers/BAMers get demolished by my not-premmie splash defenses. The problem is occurring with farming. I cannot make enough elixir on my still relatively new TH9 to get archers lvl 6 started. This is not a testament to "bad farming" by me. I kept my lab going nonstop on my original account, doing the smart route of getting Giants 6 first, then Archers 6, Barbs 6, and so on, peppering in DE research when I had a surplus. On my premmie, I got Giants 6 started right after my lab finished, and got Barbs 6 started right around when this elixir for walls update released. It has been over one month since I last upgraded a "vital farming troop" and have just been chucking upgrades to my lvl 1 wizards/balloons with no reason other than I hate seeing my lab not running.

There is no loot, mainly elixir, in active bases.

Here's the kicker: there are far, FAR less inactive bases available now to go and settle on to slowly get my elixir up, 150k/150k at a time, as opposed to hitting the slightly more frequent strong TH9s for their 350k in storages. This is a fact. Whether it's because Supercell are removing them from queue at a much shorter rate of inactivity than they used to (which I believe is the culprit although they vehemently deny it), or it's because these bots are pegging them immediately and taking them off the queue to a shield, they are not there.

If Supercell wants to steer farming in this game away from hitting inactive collectors (which they do and is becoming very apparent), then that is fine. But you DON'T remove the largest source of resource harvesting in the game without a suitable system in place for farming ACTIVE bases. And you especially don't do that while incorporating a new update where you encourage these active bases, the only ones you can find now, to be able to dump BOTH their resources into an endless pit before logging off.

They are right, additional collectors are not the answer, as they will just remove those inactive bases with them from the queue within days of becoming active, rendering them useless to farm. Incorporating a lvl 12, where you increase the production rate but lower the capacity to say 50k or so, would benefit active TH9/10 farmers and not break the economy with monster inactive collector bases, but it wouldn't provide incentive to those players to go out and farm, but instead ride 12-hour shields on their increased production. There have been so many great points about placing multipliers on the league bonuses for getting 2- and 3-stars, or having the choice of using elixir or gold to search and having the "Next" costs dumped into those bases with diminishing returns for each one before getting attacked, and using the first attack's result in additional loot for the victor, whether it be offensively or defensively, again with a modified return based on trophy level, etc, etc.

However, it seems as though Supercell is either too incompetent or too stubborn to see the benefit of these. So if they aren't going to undo the "elixir for walls" update, they should at least modify it to only allow using EXCESS elixir when it would still put your base beyond the maximum cap available to raiders. Then you don't have the issue of elixir going to waste, while not completely destroying progression for new TH8/9/10s who desperately need the resource to get on a level playing ground with established TH's, since inactives have either been removed or botted out of the queue. This would just be a quick "band-aid" fix to the problem they've created, but it absolutely baffles me as to why a billion dollar company, which should have hired economists on hand, would incorporate new resource dumps that will apply only to active players, while simultaneously removing the inactive base farming options, on TOP of not developing a viable farming option designed to hit the active bases they are gearing us towards. It's a three-headed dog of poorly executed decisions which become magnified when all implemented together, and we are seeing it now.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I felt I should say something as a previous gem purchaser who sees no point in investing anything more into a game and a company that can't figure itself out. TH10 completion may be the final nail in the coffin for me, we'll see if any changes of actual substance are made in the coming weeks to fix this.

I like how people are resorting to writing with crayons....

I just logged on to have a quick raid. 1st base i found was an inactive TH7 with 300k combined resources available.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

If you're having problems with loot, you should click on that link in your signature.

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Haha, I actually tried out his link a week or so ago b/c of this awful loot situation in the gold leagues, plus his reasons made a lot of sense. I think he grossly overestimated the frequency of th snipes available, however, and I would barely break even just hitting weak bases for the 55k/55k/200 bonus after 30-40 Nexts, as there are still absolutely no bases with storage loots, unless you want to face off against the occasional TH10 with multi-shot infernos with my barching army. It's a shame too, b/c I enjoyed the challenge up there, but if Supercell can't incorporate a system that rewards players better for attacking up in higher leagues, I don't see the point of being up there myself.

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Originally Posted by DroogJanus

I just logged on to have a quick raid. 1st base i found was an inactive TH7 with 300k combined resources available.:cool:

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NEVERMIND, LOOT IS GOOD EVERYONE!

Haha but seriously, so you found a TH7 with 150k/150k, or in my case, a TH7 with 75k/75k... and in a few days that would be 37.5k/37.5k. And the sad part is, if I could find those TH7s for 75k/75k on a consistent, every 20 Nexts or so basis, I would swallow my pride and start farming them.

loot is decent again in master league+ stop complaining about dead bases and hit storages.

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Originally Posted by Gatsu

I'm a TH9 and this is my log.
*snip*
Loot is fine for me, been like this since I started playing this game.

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Just so you know, this is what you're making, before army/spell/next cost:

187,000 gold per hour, 335,000 elixer per hour, and 529 DE per hour.

Time to make a single level 2 xbox: 26 hours (again, plus time for nexting cost), or at your current attack rate, about 39 attacks.

Time to save 6 mil elixer for Archers, Balloons, Giants lv6: ~18 hours. Again, this is assuming 100% profit. It looks like your average army costs about ~85-100k elixer, so your actual rate, generously, is 250k/hour, bringing hours of raiding to afford a single troop upgrade up to 24 hours.

Now, I'm also TH9, and making about the same numbers. I was making *much* more at TH8 (picking on TH7s, mainly), and it remains to be seen how I'll do once I finish my giant level 6 upgrade (3 days), and my barb level 6 upgrade (not started, obviously). However, trying to save ANY elixer above and beyond army cost is becoming an increasingly difficult proposition. To the point where I'm considering waiting to upgrade barbs and archers until I've finished army camps, plus DE pumps, plus spell lab, plus DE barracks.

For reference, the total gold cost of all (non-wall) upgrades in TH9: 178,229,050.
Time to max all gold costs at your current farming rate: 958 hours, or ~40 days worth of /played. Again, not factoring in your nexting cost into the equation.

Time to max elixer costs at your current farming rate: 253 hours, or 340 if we consider current army cost. 10.5-14 days /played.

Time to max DE costs: 8,728 hours, or 363 days /played.

Compared to the builder times:
Gold: 506 days of building time (some buildings are elixer) (40 days to make the gold)
Elixer: 139 days of lab research (10.5-14 days to make all the elixer)
Heroes: 292 days of hero upgrades (363 days /played).

So, to find out if you're on track, simply take the number of days /played you need, multiply by 24, then divide it by the number of hours you play in a day. So, for 4 hours per day, you'd get these numbers:
Gold: 240 days of actual time
Elixer: 63 days of actual time (up to 84 with costs)


Presented without comment. Do with it what you will.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

NEVERMIND, LOOT IS GOOD EVERYONE!

Haha but seriously, so you found a TH7 with 150k/150k, or in my case, a TH7 with 75k/75k... and in a few days that would be 37.5k/37.5k. And the sad part is, if I could find those TH7s for 75k/75k on a consistent, every 20 Nexts or so basis, I would swallow my pride and start farming them.

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You're putting words in my mouth, I never stated that loot was good! I just posted what I found because the game is trolling us, I've been farming in gold 1 for five days now and it's been the best farming for months, but everyone here is unhappy with the loot. Turns out I was in the wrong league!:cool:

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Originally Posted by Nyxiggon

Just so you know, this is what you're making, before army/spell/next cost:

187,000 gold per hour, 335,000 elixer per hour, and 529 DE per hour....

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How did you get those numbers? I added his gold alone (twice) and came up with 1.672 mil. 1.672/6.25(hours)=267,666

Given that, hourly rate does not mean much if someone is not sitting on their device while the armies train.

As to time takeN to earn enough elixir for troop research, 24 hours (despite the bad math) is more than adequate considering troops take 10days plus to train at that level.

And do not forget to account the league bonus in the numbers if you want to be strict.

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Originally Posted by Anoushka

I can tell you for instance that one of the popular requests - adding more collectors - for now is a no. More collectors = more non-defensive buildings to destroy, affects attacks/defenses' % so nope

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So...the rationale behind not adding collectors is to prevent them from affecting attack/defense %. Ok...
Adding a mortar, on the other hand, is perfectly fine. Is that the jist?

So my question is: don't you want to add non-defensive buildings because it makes it harder to achieve a certain % or because it makes it easier? And does an additional mortar make it harder or easier to achieve a certain %?

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You're putting words in my mouth, I never stated that loot was good! I just posted what I found because the game is trolling us, I've been farming in gold 1 for five days now and it's been the best farming for months, but everyone here is unhappy with the loot. Turns out I was in the wrong league!:cool:

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I know, I was just being a douche there. But remember that weather and climate are very different things. Finding the rare base like that is great (for you), but an insane outlier in the grand scheme of this whole problem.

I also take it you are a TH8, which was the point I was making with my follow up statement below it. Farming TH7s as a TH9 is not viable, unless that TH7 is absolutely stacked with loot in the collectors, which again brings us back to: highly rare/infrequent. This update with walls for elixir can affect players as early as TH7, as that's when they can first start dumping it. And believe me, give this current trend time and it will happen to them. TH7s and I would argue more that TH8s had the golden era of looting. This was due to being able to farm without a real penalty, inactive TH7s (first TH with maxed collectors), TH8s and TH9s, while also being able to handle storage raids from TH7/8s, when you have lvl 5 troops. But inactive bases are becoming less and less available, due to SC removing them at a quicker rate and bots hitting them, so that leaves active bases to consistently hit.

TH10s without use of elixir are dumping it all into walls, making newer TH10s have to hit TH9s and TH8s to get their elixir for their offensive upgrades. But established TH9s are usually all at pink walls at least and have also been dumping elixir into walls. So now we have new TH10s and new TH9s in desperate need of elixir, and hitting TH8s to get it. This is also making people not want to move up a TH when they otherwise could, as they realize they won't be able to find the elixir they need to get their offense up to par and end up stuck hitting the same bases they hit before for 90% available, but now for 50% available.

When TH8s start dumping their elixir into walls, which will happen with not wanting to move up "prematurely" as there is still a sizable amount to get all skulls and them seeing that they won't be able to farm you are going to see this TH9 loot struggle happen to TH8s as well. It needs to be addressed, and while I see the long-term, end-game benefit of this "walls for elixir" move, they needed to establish a new system to allow farmers to profit by farming active bases (bases which will be dumping the resource that keeps farmers/pushers attacking/upgrading) before committing to this update.

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Originally Posted by Gatsu

I'm a TH9 and this is my log.


http://shrani.si/f/2Y/Tg/1kL3er1C/coc.png


Loot is fine for me, been like this since I started playing this game.

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That's terrible loot for TH9 costs. I guess people enjoy not getting anywhere. That is reality though and main reason everyone is hiding in lower leagues kicking cans.

I'm having great loot all the time.

I'm with powerbottom. If I can't find loot, I just move up or down a bit. Not really having any issues.

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Originally Posted by Psychedelic

Totally not a 2nd account of the op right

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Look in the sneak peak thread about 20 pages back.

I'm having great loot all the time.

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Originally Posted by GeneSplice

I'm having great loot all the time
I'm having great loot all the time
I'm having great loot all the time

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That's nice.

Are you that threatened by the people that are saying loot is bad that you have to make new loot threads (even though you are only supposed to post in the loot is good/loot is bad thread) and spam? You do know what S.P.A.M. stands for, don't you?

You are probably a th7 then.