The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by Perseverance

I don't have any proof that there is a loot issue? Now I know you're smoking some good stuff. Have you read through the giant loot thread that replaced a previous giant loot thread? I would say that's the proof.

Your pictures of 1 night of raiding don't mean a damn thing. You're really irrational.

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Why would i read through 200 pages of little kids crying like you?

If i wanted to hear someone try to talk smart with big words i would listen to my wife once in a while....

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Originally Posted by Syaoraen

Can't Afford to play then don't play kids. Let the big boys do the lifting.

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Lol that's cute.

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Originally Posted by imoore4444

Why would i read through 200 pages of little kids crying like you?

If i wanted to hear someone try to talk smart with big words i would listen to my wife once in a while....

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Try to 'talk smart'? ♥♥♥♥. Yup , this conversation is over. Best of luck to you.

Just drop some cash all the problems are solved. Get a job?

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Originally Posted by Syaoraen

Just drop some cash all the problems are solved. Get a job?

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No need..mommy's basement is free... ♥♥♥♥

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Originally Posted by imoore4444

No need..mommy's basement is free... ♥♥♥♥

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Just burst out laughing..

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Originally Posted by iSYNONYMx

Before the update you guys complained that you couldn't do anything else with max elixir. So they made the feature of putting elixir into walls.

After the update, you guys complain... :rolleyes:

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Ruled out way too OP :cool:

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Originally Posted by itscanon

If the loot was this bad since I started playing coc then most likely I wouldve had quit since 1st month and saved a lot of money I spent . I feel like I've been deceived.

Its like changing the terms after getting a lot of people pay .. this should be illegal and supercell should be sued . It js the only way they would listen .

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Same....mis representation, deceit, are the first terms that spring to mind.

We have already had someone suggest a class action

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Originally Posted by Syaoraen

Just drop some cash all the problems are solved. Get a job?

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So what you are saying is you have no skill....but you do have a credit card.

Wow....that's impressive!

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Originally Posted by iSYNONYMx

Before the update you guys complained that you couldn't do anything else with max elixir. So they made the feature of putting elixir into walls.

After the update, you guys complain... :rolleyes:

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I actually never complained about that...... But as soon as it was announced I anticipated a problem and was told I was being too negative.

I think the problem ( and the fix ) is simple......lix should be able to go into walls from lvl 9 ..... This means a surplus of over 1 million would be needed.

The fact that the problem was so obviously going to occur makes me wonder if this is an 'accountants' idea to increase gem use. Or maybe even a bosses idea that junior staff were/are AFRAID a to criticise.

I can't believe the development team that created such an awesome product are now so dumb they cannot see the root of the disaster.

The only thing that makes sense to me over this debacle is that there is a "poisoned regime" in place now where criticism is suppressed by an atmosphere of fear.

Has anyone else noticed a lot of high level players dropping trophies and quitting the game? I went through my revenge list yeaterday (im at 2600 trophies) and found 3 th10s who have dropped to silver league and below. Could this have something to do with the lack of loot atm? I dunno food for thought, anyone else noticing this?

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Originally Posted by Smalls

So what you are saying is you have no skill....but you do have a credit card.

Wow....that's impressive!

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Since when does spending money make you less skilled at a game? If you're bad at a game you're bad at a game, money doesn't make you worse of a player, if anything it makes you a better player because you're not restricted by time issues.

edit: this game is cheap, when I was playing Rage of the bahamut my guild was dropping $30,000 USD per war.

lol @ forumers failing to realize that's a defense log.

getting trolled hard eh?

Boosting barracks isn't exactly expensive, and it's his business how he chooses to spend money. I'm not sure what the relationship between boosting and skill?

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Originally Posted by iSYNONYMx

Before the update you guys complained that you couldn't do anything else with max elixir. So they made the feature of putting elixir into walls.

After the update, you guys complain... :rolleyes:

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Your first mistake is generalizing the forums as one. That is a foolish assumption. I had max elixir for weeks on end, and I liked it. However, walls for Lix (which I never do) still lowers the overall available elixir vastly, making my elixir close to none.

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Originally Posted by Syaoraen

Since when does spending money make you less skilled at a game? If you're bad at a game you're bad at a game, money doesn't make you worse of a player, if anything it makes you a better player because you're not restricted by time issues.

edit: this game is cheap, when I was playing Rage of the bahamut my guild was dropping $30,000 USD per war.

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Ok, so you are now saying that you do have skill? Because before you said all you need is money and your problems are solved.

I couldn't care less if people gem. In fact, I love gemmers cuz they keep the game going. And I use to spend plenty of money before supercell got greedy and changed the entire loot system. But to come onto this forum and brag about your farming prowess when you use the strongest army possible to cook in the game is ridiculous.

Ive seen a lot of people defend the loot situation on this forum but never, ever have I seen anyone put of screen shots of a gowi army and try to pull that off as "farming"

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Originally Posted by GooseFraba

lol @ forumers failing to realize that's a defense log.

getting trolled hard eh?

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We get it. What the op is trying to say is because he gets farmed there is no loot problem.

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Originally Posted by iSYNONYMx

Before the update you guys complained that you couldn't do anything else with max elixir. So they made the feature of putting elixir into walls.

After the update, you guys complain... :rolleyes:

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you are not just making some complaining a general idea,
those people who complained didn't ask for a elixir to wall update.
They wanted something like more cool troops or troops update etc.
Lastly there were and are far more people complaining about the loot.

I love how all of xizeta's alts are on here to offer him moral support...lol

Dude, that is because you are a noob TH7. Come to TH9 and Th10, you won't say like this anymore. Stand at people shoe before you point at others. Dont be ego and self-centered. Every TH9 and above of my friends regardless real life or in game are complaining. You are just a nobody noob TH7

This requires fixing pretty soon. Since update everyone I know is stalled. This is a boarslaying grind on a level unheard of in app games.

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Originally Posted by Smalls

That picture is just silly. You use the most expensive time consuming army there is in the game. 5 spells takes 3 hours to cook so please stop trolling cuz your paltry 500k every 3 hours sucks.

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Originally Posted by Smalls

Of course i understand your boosted. Just like the old saying...a fool and his money are soon parted.

Ive forgotten more about farming in this game than a ridiculous gemmer like you will ever know.

When you talk about loot you have to break it down to unboosted numbers. And why not just pay to fill your storsges. It's the same thing.

Your method of farming is a joke.

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Originally Posted by Smalls

So what you are saying is you have no skill....but you do have a credit card.

Wow....that's impressive!

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Who's trolling?:rolleyes: So much nasty, so much nasty. Smh.

No.

The loot is out there and available.

I already conceded that the defense log does not show a huge payout, but it is something. You should not be so selective, hoping to find an easy cash grab, and instead allow raid bounties to add up.

You can significantly more from a TH8, and more importantly, there is no loot penalty for fighting at your own level or above. I’ve been to Masters, and currently hanging around Gold 1, here is the bottom line: there is no shortage of TH9/TH10 that are stacked. The structures and upgrades cost a lot, and therefore, people are forced to save up resources.

I encounter them all the time. Instead, people on these forms love to complain about the loot penalty. But here is the real story, these players can still get something from TH7/TH8 players, and take on more challenging opportunities.

Stop being a bunch of pansies and play the game.

It takes a lot of time and effort, we all get that. But do not expect easy raids with enormous payouts. I mean, really. The numerous complaints do not mean a whole lot. There is always going to be rent-seeking behavior, there is always going to be free-riding in society. It’s the way of the world, but we should not compromise the game.

I do think SC should tweak the game to help the economy, but as it stands, TH9/TH10 are still making progressing, still performing upgrades, and I know people are doing it as a reasonable rate. It just takes a bigger commitment, to be expected as we progress in the levels.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

Not only is this game repetitive, it's also completely boring now. I've lost all interest in this kind of resource game. This is probably due to logging on several times per day, hitting next for three minutes, then quitting.


Hoonestly, at this point I think my best option is to delete the app--atm it's the very definition of wasting my time.

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You keep saying more or less the same thing every single day in this thread for about a month. You are obviously not quitting.

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

You keep saying more or less the same thing every single day in this thread for about a month. You are obviously not quitting.

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Hes watching days of our lifes to much :eek:

Here's what I suggest:

TH Level	Loot Multiplier Now	New Loot Multiplier
Your TH and all TH's above you	100%	100%
1 TH below you	90%	90%
2 TH's below you	50%	75%
3 TH's below you	25%	50%
4 TH's below you	5%	25%
5 TH's below you	5%	10%
6 TH's below you	5%	3%
Collector Level	Current RPH	New RPH
1	200	250
2	400	500
3	600	750
4	800	1000
5	1000	1250
6	1300	1500
7	1600	1750
8	1900	2100
9	2200	2400
10	2500	2800
11	3000	3250
Problem:	Root:	Solution:
not enough collector raids	under leveled collectors	add an achievement for leveling up collectors
not enough collector raids	matchmaking too biased	make the probability of a collector base appearance ~1/50 instead of ~1/125
not enough loot to go around	TH snipes on high-loot bases	<opinion>
loot going dry just after updates	fresh matchmaking queues	completely randomize the matchmaking for 36 hours after an update
army cost higher than income	not enough loot to go around	<opinion>

Thar. I have given my 2 gold :rolleyes:


Oh, and supercell, did you look into fixing this bug yet?

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Originally Posted by powerbottom

This requires fixing pretty soon. Since update everyone I know is stalled. This is a boarslaying grind on a level unheard of in app games.

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boarslaying grind . . . lol, well put good sir. But at least when Cartman slays a boar he gets one xp, which is more than I can say after an hour of nexting on clash :(

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Originally Posted by Xizeta

No.

The loot is out there and available.

I already conceded that the defense log does not show a huge payout, but it is something. You should not be so selective, hoping to find an easy cash grab, and instead allow raid bounties to add up.

You can significantly more from a TH8, and more importantly, there is no loot penalty for fighting at your own level or above. I’ve been to Masters, and currently hanging around Gold 1, here is the bottom line: there is no shortage of TH9/TH10 that are stacked. The structures and upgrades cost a lot, and therefore, people are forced to save up resources.

I encounter them all the time. Instead, people on these forms love to complain about the loot penalty. But here is the real story, these players can still get something from TH7/TH8 players, and take on more challenging opportunities.

Stop being a bunch of pansies and play the game.

It takes a lot of time and effort, we all get that. But do not expect easy raids with enormous payouts. I mean, really. The numerous complaints do not mean a whole lot. There is always going to be rent-seeking behavior, there is always going to be free-riding in society. It’s the way of the world, but we should not compromise the game.

I do think SC should tweak the game to help the economy, but as it stands, TH9/TH10 are still making progressing, still performing upgrades, and I know people are doing it as a reasonable rate. It just takes a bigger commitment, to be expected as we progress in the levels.

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+1

Honestly, people are just looking for an easy way out of the game. People have to realize that it takes work in order to beat or master any game... Supercell just wants people to actually try to raid instead of looking for collector raids where you don't even have to try. The value of the game shouldn't be based on loot. Honestly, if I did not check the forums I would not even know about the "problem" about loot. People are just looking for scapegoats because the game is too hard or takes too long for them to complete. Supercell is doing a great job, updates don't decrease the amount of loot.

I just farm with ballonion. Not gowipe. 90k for 20 balloon. And spell isn't always needed. That's average to 120k resource per raid. League bonus is 180k and you can raid 3 times per hour with 1 boosted barrack. You can make 1.5mil/hr if you find 3x 500k base.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

Your first mistake is generalizing the forums as one. That is a foolish assumption. I had max elixir for weeks on end, and I liked it. However, walls for Lix (which I never do) still lowers the overall available elixir vastly, making my elixir close to none.

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I just think you not a good raider. For a Th9 your GG and EE is not good. You could not raid before the update either and I think you using this thread to release your frustration. My GG and EE 4 times yours , so I think I can say that.

I put 100 mill + elixir into my walls. I am proud of it. Always have enough for troops and research. Try Hay day game might suited better for you. I am Th 9 and I get enough loot to keep playing. Th 10 I feel sorry for.

Loot has always been hot or cold, and never in between for me. Some days I would haul in 1 mil gold and elixir in an hour or two, some days I was lucky to find anything. Since the most recent update I have had 2 good days, thats it.... 2.

What do i mean by a "good" day? Coming across a base with over 200k gold, 200k Elixir, and 400 DE; Without hitting the next button more than 35 times.

I am a mid range TH8, Still have lots of upgrades to go, and was nearly maxxed on all but walls before hopping up to TH8. I am currently farming in Gold III. I do not know if servers have anything to do with matching, but I am in Southern California if that makes any difference.

Clan mates in Gold II and I are saying the same thing. And the few who went up to crystal leagues came back down because Crystal III and II were like dry empty deserts. These clan mates are from around the globe, Australia, India, East coast America, Europe.

I know some folks think you buried or removed inactive bases. Some folks even think that the random matching system is not as random as you claim: That it will give you crappy bases when you have a full army camp, and massive juicy bases when you are low on troops, TH sniping while troops cook. Maybe even somehow knowing that you give up and just try to break even after a certain number of nexts. Sounds rather dumb, but those things have still been mentioned.

Either way, I echo what someone else said... Its getting boring. Having to hit next 35+ times to find a base that will at least give you a tiny profit to go towards upgrades is annoying, and dull. If I am getting bored, a 38 yr old patient as can be mom... I cannot imagine this game keeping the younger crowd interested for much longer.

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Originally Posted by kristinepixie

Loot has always been hot or cold, and never in between for me. Some days I would haul in 1 mil gold and elixir in an hour or two, some days I was lucky to find anything. Since the most recent update I have had 2 good days, thats it.... 2.

What do i mean by a "good" day? Coming across a base with over 200k gold, 200k Elixir, and 400 DE; Without hitting the next button more than 35 times.

I am a mid range TH8, Still have lots of upgrades to go, and was nearly maxxed on all but walls before hopping up to TH8. I am currently farming in Gold III. I do not know if servers have anything to do with matching, but I am in Southern California if that makes any difference.

Clan mates in Gold II and I are saying the same thing. And the few who went up to crystal leagues came back down because Crystal III and II were like dry empty deserts. These clan mates are from around the globe, Australia, India, East coast America, Europe.

I know some folks think you buried or removed inactive bases. Some folks even think that the random matching system is not as random as you claim: That it will give you crappy bases when you have a full army camp, and massive juicy bases when you are low on troops, TH sniping while troops cook. Maybe even somehow knowing that you give up and just try to break even after a certain number of nexts. Sounds rather dumb, but those things have still been mentioned.

Either way, I echo what someone else said... Its getting boring. Having to hit next 35+ times to find a base that will at least give you a tiny profit to go towards upgrades is annoying, and dull. If I am getting bored, a 38 yr old patient as can be mom... I cannot imagine this game keeping the younger crowd interested for much longer.

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Try Silver I & II if you're a TH8. I have both of my accounts in that range recently, after suffering in Gold I & II, and have been finding Inactives and TH7s with too much loot for their own good. I'd say the average was 200k+ each with Barch.

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Originally Posted by youngthegreat

you are not just making some complaining a general idea,
those people who complained didn't ask for a elixir to wall update.
They wanted something like more cool troops or troops update etc.
Lastly there were and are far more people complaining about the loot.

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Then can we assume that since they didn't want to update walls with elixir that they still have all their elixir available to be taken?


No, we know that's not likely. What is more likely is that most of the ones complaining about the lack of loot have used their elixir to update their own walls. It's not the update they hate, it's the nerve of other players doing the exact same thing they did.

Dont get me wrong, I have also noticed the lower amount of loot available, but I know when other run across me they find that I have very little loot available, I used it to upgrade my walls. So instead of getting mad at everyone else or SC I adjust the way attack, lower my trophies, all the things I've always done when the loot was not what I wanted before the update..

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

You keep saying more or less the same thing every single day in this thread for about a month. You are obviously not quitting.

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Yeah I know. And that concerns me. I think I am addicted, and if I'm addicted to something, I want to at least have fun with it.

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Originally Posted by klem70

I just think you not a good raider. For a Th9 your GG and EE is not good. You could not raid before the update either and I think you using this thread to release your frustration. My GG and EE 4 times yours , so I think I can say that.

I put 100 mill + elixir into my walls. I am proud of it. Always have enough for troops and research. Try Hay day game might suited better for you. I am Th 9 and I get enough loot to keep playing. Th 10 I feel sorry for.

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Lol, GG totally proves who is a better raider, and better raiders always find more loot, everyone knows that.....



:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sticksman

Do we really have a rep from S.Cell on this thread at last??

Could they just feed back to S.Cell that there is a 364 page and counting thread about the loot shortage caused by the elixir for walls change they made? Could they also note that many clashers are "parking" their bases until the situation changes.

No need to search for "solutions" just show some respect for the customers by being big enough to do a U-turn on this one.

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If loot problem was due to elixer being spent on walls then it would only impact elixer, not gold. The gold loot problem has nothing to do with elixer on walls. It has to do with new expensive upgrades, but same collectors plus abandoned bases out of the search.

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Originally Posted by Bobloiy

+1

Honestly, people are just looking for an easy way out of the game. People have to realize that it takes work in order to beat or master any game... Supercell just wants people to actually try to raid instead of looking for collector raids where you don't even have to try. The value of the game shouldn't be based on loot. Honestly, if I did not check the forums I would not even know about the "problem" about loot. People are just looking for scapegoats because the game is too hard or takes too long for them to complete. Supercell is doing a great job, updates don't decrease the amount of loot.

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Xiz, could you please stop making troll alts? It's painfully obvious....

TH 8 here.

My opinion here is Meh.

I sometimes get 500K raids, sometimes I only get 50K raids LOL. I sometimes trophy push to gold 3 or gold 2 and then simply drop trophies to Silver 1. This has worked for me. So I am undecided. I also see a lot of TH 9 - Th 8's here with full storage's and I am unable to raid them fully because I am still learning how to BAG properly. I am only able to steal 25 - 50 percent from their collectors, but that still gives me 200K+ total.

My army composition is 40-50 barbs(5), 90 Arch(4 - UPGRADING TO 5),40-50 Gobs(4), 6 - 8 WB(4), BK (3), 2-4 Giants(4), 3 Lightening(4). I usually raid 1 - 3 times every 12 hrs.

If the loot is good, I will use the lightening to destroy one mortar to make the raid easier.Its optional

Some people are getting loot some are not. Those who are getting will stay quiet and play, those who are not will complain on the forums.

Seeing that the sticky thread is getting longer everyday, I am forced to concede that a loot problem exists. But, only SC knows whether this applies to all high level players or not. Obviously, we can only state what we experience and that may not apply to everybody.

So to everybody on this thread - please don't dismiss anybody's opinions. They are all true. Is the OP trolling us or not? That is another matter.

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Originally Posted by kittehhoard

Here's what I suggest:

TH Level	Loot Multiplier Now	New Loot Multiplier
Your TH and all TH's above you	100%	100%
1 TH below you	90%	90%
2 TH's below you	50%	75%
3 TH's below you	25%	50%
4 TH's below you	5%	25%
5 TH's below you	5%	10%
6 TH's below you	5%	3%
Collector Level	Current RPH	New RPH
1	200	250
2	400	500
3	600	750
4	800	1000
5	1000	1250
6	1300	1500
7	1600	1750
8	1900	2100
9	2200	2400
10	2500	2800
11	3000	3250
Problem:	Root:	Solution:
not enough collector raids	under leveled collectors	add an achievement for leveling up collectors
not enough collector raids	matchmaking too biased	make the probability of a collector base appearance ~1/50 instead of ~1/125
not enough loot to go around	TH snipes on high-loot bases	<opinion>
loot going dry just after updates	fresh matchmaking queues	completely randomize the matchmaking for 36 hours after an update
army cost higher than income	not enough loot to go around

Oh, and supercell, did you look into fixing this bug yet?

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Very nice suggestions, +1

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Originally Posted by vekool

TH 8 here.

My opinion here is Meh.

I sometimes get 500K raids, sometimes I only get 50K raids LOL. I sometimes trophy push to gold 3 or gold 2 and then simply drop trophies to Silver 1. This has worked for me. So I am undecided. I also see a lot of TH 9 - Th 8's here with full storage's and I am unable to raid them fully because I am still learning how to BAG properly. I am only able to steal 25 - 50 percent from their collectors, but that still gives me 200K+ total.

My army composition is 40-50 barbs(5), 90 Arch(4 - UPGRADING TO 5),40-50 Gobs(4), 6 - 8 WB(4), BK (3), 2-4 Giants(4), 3 Lightening(4). I usually raid 1 - 3 times every 12 hrs.

If the loot is good, I will use the lightening to destroy one mortar to make the raid easier.Its optional

Some people are getting loot some are not. Those who are getting will stay quiet and play, those who are not will complain on the forums.

Seeing that the sticky thread is getting longer everyday, I am forced to concede that a loot problem exists. But, only SC knows whether this applies to all high level players or not. Obviously, we can only state what we experience and that may not apply to everybody.

So to everybody on this thread - please don't dismiss anybody's opinions. They are all true. Is the OP trolling us or not? That is another matter.

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It's not entirely a matter of dismissing another's opinions--it's the fact that the OP is rude, as well as the fact that he is a th7--when loot is very easy to find. I'm sure he is finding all the loot he keeps spamming us about; it's just the fact he is dismissing OUR opinions.

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Originally Posted by 2222

If loot problem was due to elixer being spent on walls then it would only impact elixer, not gold. The gold loot problem has nothing to do with elixer on walls. It has to do with new expensive upgrades, but same collectors plus abandoned bases out of the search.

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I have been puzzling that in my mind as well. This is one possibility I've came up with.

Previously players used thier elixir to raid. From the raids they collected gold to do upgrades. ( and do more raids)

now they are using thier elixir for raids AND to upgrade walls, this means fewer raids and less gold collected. What gold is collected is still used for upgrades but because they collect less, they have less stockpiled for future upgrades.

Thoughts ?

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Originally Posted by THNSUM

I have been puzzling that in my mind as well. This is one possibility I've came up with.

Previously players used thier elixir to raid. From the raids they collected gold to do upgrades. ( and do more raids)

now they are using thier elixir for raids AND to upgrade walls, this means fewer raids and less gold collected. What gold is collected is still used for upgrades but because they collect less, they have less stockpiled for future upgrades.

Thoughts ?

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Yeah that makes sense. Plus people using barch and sucking up all the loot, then dumping it on walls.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

Very nice suggestions, +1

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Thank You! :D

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

Yeah that makes sense. Plus people using barch and sucking up all the loot, then dumping it on walls.

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Guilty as charged..... In case they decide to undo the elix for walls im going to get cheap raids in and upgrade as many as I can...

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Originally Posted by THNSUM

Guilty as charged..... In case they decide to undo the elix for walls im going to get cheap raids in and upgrade as many as I can...

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I would, but level 6 troops....need all of that elixir

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

I would, but level 6 troops....need all of that elixir

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There is that too..... But I figure if they do undo the elixir for walls, I'll worry about troops then. Lol

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

Xiz, could you please stop making troll alts? It's painfully obvious....

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:o You can check this IP (if you had the means to...), this isn't Xiz...

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Originally Posted by Xizeta

I'm still going to assert that there is NO issue with loot. People just love to complain. I think SC is doing a fantastic job. :)

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Well now...isn't this interesting...

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Originally Posted by Xizeta

The overwhelming appeals made to "fix" the situation exists because there is a problem. Upgrade and research costs are enormous and the loot available is underwhelming, and sure if you play for hours on end you'll be rewarded with collector raids, but those are few and far between.

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Nuff said.

After another two hours of boosted nexting I have got nowhere....a waste of time. I'm just glad that I am maxed at TH8 apart from some DE upgrades and that I didn't go to TH9, being at a new TH level with lots to do would be really bad. I can park my base and get into a different game now, I will look in occasionally to see if things have got any better and to chat. Anyone got some good games to recommend.......?

No loot = bad gameplay.

Fix it already.

For myself, I have found the loot to be bad, specifically just elixir. Elixir for me is so low that I've only been able to research DE troops. I've been TH 9 for about a month now, and haven't really found a trophy range to farm at. I started in gold 1, and made my way up to crystal 1. I've been relying on the loot bonuses to help fill those storages. I'm not complaining to Supercell to fix this, I've just adapted to the situation.

Essentially what it boils down to at the moment is that whatever you are "supposed" to be in for your level has lowered. As a th 10 I am finding no loot in the 2600 to 2900 range, a months go different story. I've had all my builders busy since the update until today, seems as though we may be having a trophy contraction everywhere but champions as my town hall 9 has had to move downward to find anything as well.

First of all, I would like to say that I am a TH9 in gold 1 and I am finding sufficient loot.
My point is, to everyone TH8 and below, you should not say that everyone who complains about loot is lazy and etc. TH9 and up is WAY different than TH8 and below. I am one of the lucky few, and I mean few who get good loot with this Town Hall lvl

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Originally Posted by Zackman

For myself, I have found the loot to be bad, specifically just elixir. Elixir for me is so low that I've only been able to research DE troops. I've been TH 9 for about a month now, and haven't really found a trophy range to farm at. I started in gold 1, and made my way up to crystal 1. I've been relying on the loot bonuses to help fill those storages. I'm not complaining to Supercell to fix this, I've just adapted to the situation.

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Well that complaint could actually do some good here. Complain away!

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Originally Posted by Bobloiy

:o You can check this IP (if you had the means to...), this isn't Xiz...

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There'd be no way to get your ip, unless I håcked into the website and went through logs...


but I'm just fighting trolling with trolling :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Smalls

Of course i understand your boosted. Just like the old saying...a fool and his money are soon parted.

Ive forgotten more about farming in this game than a ridiculous gemmer like you will ever know.

When you talk about loot you have to break it down to unboosted numbers. And why not just pay to fill your storsges. It's the same thing.

Your method of farming is a joke.

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You must be a noob... Do u know how much gemming resources costs?!?

Cmon man... 10 gems to boost spells and 10 for a barracks boost that last two hours... That same 20 gems gets you like 10k gold...

Some people just love to complain...

When is someone from Supercell going to comment on this? What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything?

I might give up... I'm certainly not buying any more gems on a game that once was fun and now is just a grind. The only reason I'm still in the game is because I'm a clan Leader and have spent the last year building a great clan and I can't bear right now to leave it! :(

This sucks they have to do something, and for those who say 'just accept it' well, those are the types that just get walked over in life rather than speaking up against things they don't agree with.

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Originally Posted by CloudGigaTitan

When is someone from Supercell going to comment on this? What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything?

I might give up... I'm certainly not buying any more gems on a game that once was fun and now is just a grind. The only reason I'm still in the game is because I'm a clan Leader and have spent the last year building a great clan and I can't bear right now to leave it! :(

This sucks they have to do something, and for those who say 'just accept it' well, those are the types that just get walked over in life rather than speaking up against things they don't agree with.

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Well they did. It's a few pages back. They said they're working on it, results notwithstanding.

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Originally Posted by imoore4444

Lol you are silly....

There's like an hour or so between raids because of boosted facilities... i am also at work and prolly coulda gone every 45 mins or so..

look at the time stamps on the raids genius... even this cat that doesnt agree with anyone could see my stuff was boosted...

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

Who's trolling?:rolleyes: So much nasty, so much nasty. Smh.

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You conveniently left out the post I was rebutting coat. Once again you manipulating arguments and bending the truth to suit you pleasure.

Not even you can argue that posting a gowi army and passing it off as farming isn't ridiculous. I didn't start the personal attacks...he did.

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Originally Posted by imoore4444

You must be a noob... Do u know how much gemming resources costs?!?

Cmon man... 10 gems to boost spells and 10 for a barracks boost that last two hours... That same 20 gems gets you like 10k gold...

Some people just love to complain...

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Ya...I'm a noob..... Feel free to check out my stats.

IGN: Smalls
Clan: 702 Spam Musubi

And you can't raid with that GoWi army of yours with 1 boost. You are probably using 7 boosts to be able to raid every 45 minutes with that army.

Why don't you put up your info also so we can all see what a great farmer you are.

In the 1 year I've been on this forum no one has tried to pass off a GoWi army as farming. Ever. And I've read 10s of thousands of posts. Trying to tell people the farming is great while you are boosting all your barracks and using a gowi army is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Xizeta

The loot is bountiful. The loot issue is exaggerated.

There is a loot penalty and it does take a considerable amount of time and effort to progress, but these things do not make the game untenable. I have witnessed a number of high-level players progress without issue.

I'm constantly raided by TH9 players, and believe it or not, they manage to walk away with decent gains. I’m not claiming a boatload of loot was gained here, but from the point of view of a TH7, it remains significant. A much stronger opponent walked away with a decent amount of loot... the loot adds up...; moreover, the same could be said about other TH7 and TH8 players.

Since I’m able to run into TH7 and TH8 players with a substantial amount of resources, then TH9 can and do as well. Even though a loot penalty exists, and for good reason, these TH9 players can walk away with a net gain. It all adds up. People need to stop expecting to walk with 800K combined resources, and start grinding to get to the top like the rest mature players.

I’m tired of the marshmallow, ‘I want a free ride to the top’, culture that exists on these boards.

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As the title of my response suggests , your opponent should be determined by the levels of his/her buildings and troops . a simple point count system would be a lot fairer than the current system . This game is great but the match ups suck BIG TIME . I don't even bother going into battle anymore as i rarely gain more than i spent on troops .

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Originally Posted by CloudGigaTitan

When is someone from Supercell going to comment on this? What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything?

I might give up... I'm certainly not buying any more gems on a game that once was fun and now is just a grind. The only reason I'm still in the game is because I'm a clan Leader and have spent the last year building a great clan and I can't bear right now to leave it! :(

This sucks they have to do something, and for those who say 'just accept it' well, those are the types that just get walked over in life rather than speaking up against things they don't agree with.

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Totally agree with this , supercell has had the leading edge with this game for years now but i think its time for a step up .
Make the game more interesting for all . How about 1 point for every gold/elixer spent on upgrades and let that determine who you battle against . I'm tired of facing little loot against a much stronger opponent just because my town hall is a higher level . Do away with the "never upgrade your town hall unless you have to" thing and get real with strategy .

Wait... Did one of the moderators seriously just intentionally remove my last post? Wow, sensitive much? Must not like the idea of players not funneling their funds to SC pockets.

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Wait... Did one of the moderators seriously just intentionally remove my last post? Wow, sensitive much? Must not like the idea of players not funneling their funds to SC pockets.

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Yes I did - you posted an advert for app bounty which was reported by multiple members, please read the rules before posting spam it is not wanted here

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Originally Posted by Trudog82

First of all, I would like to say that I am a TH9 in gold 1 and I am finding sufficient loot.
My point is, to everyone TH8 and below, you should not say that everyone who complains about loot is lazy and etc. TH9 and up is WAY different than TH8 and below. I am one of the lucky few, and I mean few who get good loot with this Town Hall lvl

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So I found you and you have a gold grab of 245 million pretty good and while you complain loot isn't bad all your builders are sleeping.I would submit that most complaints are by those who want all their builders busy.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

Xiz, could you please stop making troll alts? It's painfully obvious....

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LOL...he is , isn't he .....what a douche! 😄

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LOL...he is , isn't he .....what a douche! 😄

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If true he is a time traveler, the accusation was lobbed against a forum memeber who joined in 2013....:rolleyes:

This morning i did farming with boosted barracks for 2 hours. I collected 1 Milion gold/elixir. Pretty sad actually :)

I'm th9 and keeping builders busy isn't a big problem. But there is problem. Only armies worth using for farming are barch or bam. With them you can do profit without much nexting. I have done most elixir upgrades already, most of dark and gold still to be done. I even cooked weird armies to get elixir, like: 16 valkyries, 4 giants, rest archers. Dark barracks boosted of course.

But there should be something for more expensive armies worth using. Like win bonus x stars you get. 3 stars and you get 3x win bonus.

Solution to loot is really simple.

1. Don't hide inactive bases.

or if SC really want active players to attack other active players, then

2. Reduce the amount of resource that can be looted from resource collectors from 50% down to 25% BUT increase overall resource collectors' capacity and production by 100%.

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Originally Posted by THNSUM

Then can we assume that since they didn't want to update walls with elixir that they still have all their elixir available to be taken?


No, we know that's not likely. What is more likely is that most of the ones complaining about the lack of loot have used their elixir to update their own walls. It's not the update they hate, it's the nerve of other players doing the exact same thing they did.

Dont get me wrong, I have also noticed the lower amount of loot available, but I know when other run across me they find that I have very little loot available, I used it to upgrade my walls. So instead of getting mad at everyone else or SC I adjust the way attack, lower my trophies, all the things I've always done when the loot was not what I wanted before the update..

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The fact that people updated their walls with elixir does not mean people wanted that way. Almost EVERYONE updated at least one walls with elixir. Does this mean everyone wanted this update? Does this mean everyone wanted elixir hard to get? No of course. If SC told us that elixir would be like this prior to the update which i believe they knew but not shared i bet more people would have opposed this update. In fact many people knew this would ruin elixir economy and did oppose this update including me.

Even we know that this update ruins and make elixir hard to find, what could we do? As you said we have to adjust ourselves and do what other people do. Upgrading walls with elixir and protecting them from getting raid. I also updated one lava wall with elixir. This doesn't mean anything. Even SC introduces us DE to walls updated which will ruin de economy people will use their de to upgrade their walls. This doesn't mean people wanted this update. They are just playing the game.

Of course we adjust. My workers are all fully working. I am th10. But the fact that loot is bad doesn't change. Even SC makes loot worse than now we might adjust using super cheap armies and grinding and grinding, but people will complain and complain because of the bad loot. I might adjust attacking 400 times and make my workers fully work but still I will say loot is bad.

I am a th 7, and I can't find any loot at all! Can anyone tell me a good trophy range for loot?

Since yesterday I'm actually finding what I would call a decent amount of collector-raids. Averaging around 20 nexts or so. Not always juicy 200K+ each raids but at the least 100K+ each. Before yesterday it was probably averaging around 100 nexts. Anyone else seen a very recent improvement? Or am I just getting lucky? Given it's weekend that's more then good enough for me IF it lasts.

Maxed TH9 with 518 million GG and farming around 1800 trophies btw

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I am a th 7, and I can't find any loot at all! Can anyone tell me a good trophy range for loot?

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A good level for TH 7 is bronze...all TH7 to bronze...CHARGE

IS SC going to fix the economy and WHEN?!? We need to start demanding answers and resolution.

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Originally Posted by Sukiawesome

I am a th 7, and I can't find any loot at all! Can anyone tell me a good trophy range for loot?

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Please do not spam troll posts to get a certain rank.

I can tell by your recent posts including this one.

Loot is perfect if you're in the right place.


Th 10, Level 98 Farming. I was pushing but found I needed to Max my base a bit more, I don't want to spend money so hey give it a go with farming for once. And I am so glad I decided to farm, I've only Attacked twice but with a 55k loot bonus I am farming 300k an hr. 200k today, using 50 level 6 barbs, 75 level 7 Archers, 75 Level 5 Gobs, 10 Level 5 Wall breakers and a level 7 arch queen, level 8 Barb king. I Attack bases that are very hard, but I manage to take most of not all the loot and come away with 1 star by perfecting my strategies.

So it's possible to farm loot if you tried! Loot is perfect for different town halls in different places.

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Originally Posted by tfulp

IS SC going to fix the economy and WHEN?!? We need to start demanding answers and resolution.

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The only way SC is going to do anything is when their revenue drops, it's a business first, a game second, everyone - stop buying gems!

I don't know what all the complaining is about.....was there a time when you didn't have to earn loot by massing a win/loss ratio? If you don't like the current state of the gameplay please PLEASE move all your collectors and storages (including DE) outside of you walls and away from defenses so the non-complaining active raiders can save the hassle.


THX

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Originally Posted by matthewe

Loot is perfect if you're in the right place.


Th 10, Level 98 Farming. I was pushing but found I needed to Max my base a bit more, I don't want to spend money so hey give it a go with farming for once. And I am so glad I decided to farm, I've only Attacked twice but with a 55k loot bonus I am farming 300k an hr. 200k today, using 50 level 6 barbs, 75 level 7 Archers, 75 Level 5 Gobs, 10 Level 5 Wall breakers and a level 7 arch queen, level 8 Barb king. I Attack bases that are very hard, but I manage to take most of not all the loot and come away with 1 star by perfecting my strategies.

So it's possible to farm loot if you tried! Loot is perfect for different town halls in different places.

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this is not farming.... this is grinding....

Since the mod doesn't care about the trolls, i think it's safe to say i love how the chinese bots have their alts here to argue loot is great. suddenly it's politics, not a game anymore

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That's not the issue. Long, boring, next pressing sessions to find bases with enough loot is.
Not collector raids, but active player storage raids. Collector raids are just candy.

Nexting through a mass of th10s with 10-50k of available elixir until you find anything worth raiding doesn't take any skill. It's just boring. Raiding is fun. Why force players to go through minutes of boring pressing of a button on a mobile game until they can actualy play? It makes no sense.

For me loot is pretty good atm, I'm a TH 10 and get around 200-400k gold and 200-350k elixir per raid using barch/BAM. Rarely use spells and rarely kills my heroes so all I need to wait on it the army. :p

Looks like the game is unplayable again today.

Is this a deliberate attempt to sabotage your own product?

What an absolute mess.

It's been weeks after the update and there is still no loot. And even if you find one, you just loose too much gold on nexting. These days even boosting barracks, spell factory and heores is out of the question. Just not worth it.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Looks like the game is unplayable again today.

Is this a deliberate attempt to sabotage your own product?

What an absolute mess.

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Maybe you are in the wrong league then or have too high expectations? I've found theese raids today without nexting much (less than 20 nexts each!). Note, I'm not even raiding as soon as the army is ready, doing rl stuff at the same time. And remember the 75k/75k/400 loot bonus on each win!

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Originally Posted by Xizeta

The loot is bountiful. The loot issue is exaggerated.

There is a loot penalty and it does take a considerable amount of time and effort to progress, but these things do not make the game untenable. I have witnessed a number of high-level players progress without issue.

I'm constantly raided by TH9 players, and believe it or not, they manage to walk away with decent gains. I’m not claiming a boatload of loot was gained here, but from the point of view of a TH7, it remains significant. A much stronger opponent walked away with a decent amount of loot... the loot adds up...; moreover, the same could be said about other TH7 and TH8 players.

Since I’m able to run into TH7 and TH8 players with a substantial amount of resources, then TH9 can and do as well. Even though a loot penalty exists, and for good reason, these TH9 players can walk away with a net gain. It all adds up. People need to stop expecting to walk with 800K combined resources, and start grinding to get to the top like the rest mature players.

I’m tired of the marshmallow, ‘I want a free ride to the top’, culture that exists on these boards.

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Defence logs LOL
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well at least you're adding to the economy!!!
You should register a NEW user name at this point LOL

Been playing this game for two years, I'm a graphic designer make good money spent around $20 bucks a week give or take cause this was fun for me. Love the clan chat can talk with my brothers and friends we all having a great time…worth every dollar! I'm in for about 1,000 bucks so far, give or take and its whatever, over the course of two years thats not that much money. For the 3rd time in the past two weeks I hit the little green plus button click on my usual 2,500 stack of gems during the morning duce, the Sign In to iTunes Store popped up for my password…paused…and hit cancel after thinking to my self "whats the point anymore?." This game has tuned into a toothpick structure and supercell is outright afraid of changing anything that is toooo drastic because it will cause other aspects to be off balanced..i.e. more work for an already underdeveloped staff. This last update clearly shows that with all the HYPE I mean ALL THE HYPE - I bought a 7 day shield had all my elixir and gold storages filled, boosted my pumps to be topped off at 150k per and my CC was maxed from war loot, close ta 20 million total ready to go….I was super pumped…just to get an update that was of no worth towards the fun factor, man how we all got trolled by SC, the only thing of any worth was the 1 gem boost prior to the update. I thought we were gonna get new wiz that threw bunnies at THs and heroes ya know game changing stuff….NOPE!!!

Now I can't find any loot it so bad I just war and don't need to spend any money doing so, as crappy as it seems at least I'll save $500 bucks in 2015 :) Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. This is my forum post I WILL NOT SPEND ANYMORE MONEY ON THIS GAME!!!! THE POWER IS IN YOUR HANDS CLASHERS, BE THE CHANGE!!!!

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Now I can't find any loot it so bad I just war and don't need to spend any money doing so, as crappy as it seems at least I'll save $500 bucks in 2015 :) Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. This is my forum post I WILL NOT SPEND ANYMORE MONEY ON THIS GAME!!!! THE POWER IS IN YOUR HANDS CLASHERS, BE THE CHANGE!!!!

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Been there bought the shirt and I'm 4 weeks ahead of you.
I'm sure a year from now SC will still be "monitoring" the situation.

Next...

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Maybe you are in the wrong league then or have too high expectations? I've found theese raids today without nexting much (less than 20 nexts each!). Note, I'm not even raiding as soon as the army is ready, doing rl stuff at the same time. And remember the 75k/75k/400 loot bonus on each

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Maybe you got lucky? I am around the same trophy level as you and have found nothing.

I expect to make more gold on a raid than I spend searching for it, not too unreasonable I'm sure you will agree.

i get little runs where the loot seems fine and huge stretches where I am doing little better than standing still. If you took a more broad view than a small sample size where it would appear you managed to stumble across a few rare dead bases I am sure you would be as disappointed as I am.

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Maybe you got lucky? I am around the same trophy level as you and have found nothing.

I expect to make more gold on a raid than I spend searching for it, not too unreasonable I'm sure you will agree.

i get little runs where the loot seems fine and huge stretches where I am doing little better than standing still. If you took a more broad view than a small sample size where it would appear you managed to stumble across a few rare dead bases I am sure you would be as disappointed as I am.

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Loot has been similar to this for about 1 week now and I'm usually going for storages, not collectors.

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Loot has been similar to this for about 1 week now and I'm usually going for storages, not collectors.

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Congratulations on being the only person on the game that pulls apart strong TH10's with barch and no spells to ransack storage and that has been finding good raids consistently for a week.

No need for sarcasm... just be respectful, there's no need to get heated over this.

clash on brothers and sisters, the loot has been phenomenal!

Found this base this morning raiding. It has Santa Bomb Presents on it meaning it has been inactive for quite sometime. I feel the Loot issue is more Chinese Bunny Robots then SuperCell hiding inactive bases. Think about it this way, the CBR's getting loot isn't the problem, inactive bases are always making more loot, its the 12 hour shield that they give the base thats the problem. The base is in Crystal lll.

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No need for sarcasm... just be respectful, there's no need to get heated over this.

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No need to make stupid claims either. storage barching? no spell? right.

Edit: although if you visit the bases he raided, it's just another case of association fallacy

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Originally Posted by Smalls

Ya...I'm a noob..... Feel free to check out my stats.

IGN: Smalls
Clan: 702 Spam Musubi

And you can't raid with that GoWi army of yours with 1 boost. You are probably using 7 boosts to be able to raid every 45 minutes with that army.

Why don't you put up your info also so we can all see what a great farmer you are.

In the 1 year I've been on this forum no one has tried to pass off a GoWi army as farming. Ever. And I've read 10s of thousands of posts. Trying to tell people the farming is great while you are boosting all your barracks and using a gowi army is ridiculous.

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Maybe you aren't a noob but you just plain can't read...
10 gems to boosts spells and 10 for each type of barracks.... Hmmm 10 spells plus 10 dark barracks plus 10 standard barracks is 30... 30 gems is nothing.. Heck that's slightly more than the gem box they give you for FREE!

I have two children, ages 10 and 12. I started to play this game with them in the spring and we had lots of fun together raiding and building. The 12 year old is on town hall 9, a bit premature while the 10 year old is just starting town hall 8. I am a mature town hall 8, finishing up some odd pieces in the Lab. We usually spend a few bucks each week to boost barracks to accumulate coins to upgrade something. Most of our time comes at night or during the weekend.

For the first time in 4 months, they put down the iPad and put on the xBox.
They said it was too hard to get coins.

I also play in off hours when they goto bed, and found the same problem. I range from Gold 3 up to Chrystal 3 and see the same issue.

Historically speaking, for a 2 hour boost, I could pull down $2m coins.

For the last few weeks since watching these posts, I am running half of that rate.

We participate in an adult clan about 25 deep, and many of them are experiencing the same issue.

They are trying to get the clan to move to the new Star Wars game, but some of us are struggling leaving since our investment of time and money is rather large. As of now, we have lost 3 players that are just on auto pilot in this game.

Its too bad that this upgrade has caused a problem with the economy. It was a fun game.

Lucky

Mindstormer quit taking all the raids away from me!! I've told you about this before...lol.

I wonder if Supercell even reads these comments we leave? Or if they do their own statistics/research about how much people are playing? If so, it seems like they must know there has been an activity drop off in th9s and th10s. I can see it in my clan and others, as it really does seem tough to find loot. I'm a th10 around CrysII and sometimes I will hit that next button approximately 100 times before I find decent loot (not full collectors). I usually run a giant barch and go after storages FYI.

Personally, my main complaint is the lack of elixir available. It seems like almost every time I find a base with good gold available (200k+) there is like 50k elixir available which is not even enough to recoup army cost! Pretty much the only time I can get a net gain on elixir is the spare full collector raid or if I find one of the few th9/10s with full elixir storages that haven't dumped it into walls.

I only feel the need to get on here and post because I have seen several clanmates discuss quitting or cutting back on playing etc. which is sad. Anywho, Supercell if you're out there, just let us know that you're monitoring the situation!! Some feedback would be much appreciated.

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I have two children, ages 10 and 12. I started to play this game with them in the spring and we had lots of fun together raiding and building. The 12 year old is on town hall 9, a bit premature while the 10 year old is just starting town hall 8. I am a mature town hall 8, finishing up some odd pieces in the Lab. We usually spend a few bucks each week to boost barracks to accumulate coins to upgrade something. Most of our time comes at night or during the weekend.

For the first time in 4 months, they put down the iPad and put on the xBox.
They said it was too hard to get coins.

I also play in off hours when they goto bed, and found the same problem. I range from Gold 3 up to Chrystal 3 and see the same issue.

Historically speaking, for a 2 hour boost, I could pull down $2m coins.

For the last few weeks since watching these posts, I am running half of that rate.

We participate in an adult clan about 25 deep, and many of them are experiencing the same issue.

They are trying to get the clan to move to the new Star Wars game, but some of us are struggling leaving since our investment of time and money is rather large. As of now, we have lost 3 players that are just on auto pilot in this game.

Its too bad that this upgrade has caused a problem with the economy. It was a fun game.

Lucky

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I totally agree with him and I'm not complaining for the loots that I get everyday because I can still somehow farm decently but i feel there is something wrong in the game and most of the players are noticing that too. other players doesn't agree because they feel that there is nothing wrong and they farm nicely.

for me, as an ex-forum admin from another forum. when threads gets combined and accumulates to a thousand and more, I know that most of the population are experiencing that there really is something wrong.

I used to be a very active farmer. I maxed my th 9 and now im a decent th10. I have to spend 40 f****** minutes now to find a 100K each raid. Before the update, it would take me max 10 mionutues to find a 300k raid. Now i raid like 1 time per day and question myself when i do cus i waste time, effort, and gold trying to search. Supercell needs to fix this quickly or else you will lose all ur high level farmers who pay an outrageous amount for (100$ for 14000 gems) people are quitting and its not fun anymore.